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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Sat 26 Apr 17:03
Unless Hamilton have an extreme and highly unlikely reversal of fortune regarding their points deduction then we are safe.
It`s just a case of waiting on this pointless appeal to cement the original decision now.
WE ARE SAFE. Onwards and upwards now.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: CitizenPar
Date: Sat 26 Apr 17:16
Even if Hamilton got 12 points back, which is highly unlikely, we would still be safe. π
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Sat 26 Apr 17:32
They won`t get 12 points back as those points were for a very naughty crime. 3 points at best.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Sat 26 Apr 17:36
I think we are safe now. A 14 goal swing in Hamiltonβs favour and a big reduction in their points punishment needed. Breath easy π
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Topic Originator: Jock Par36
Date: Sat 26 Apr 20:54
If we draw at Morton on Friday and Hamilton
lose at Falkirk, then the 15pts deduction
would have made no difference.
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Sat 26 Apr 20:56
I wouldn't feel particularly confident about us picking up a point away to Morton
Post Edited (Sat 26 Apr 20:57)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 26 Apr 21:04
A win for us, draw for Hamilton and win for Livi.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sun 27 Apr 07:13
Hamilton would need to have over 10 points restored to practically mean something to us.
Even if they got 11 points back and in the final games, they win and we lose - they would only go level on points with us, and would still need to overcome a goal difference of 11 in our favour. Also Hamilton last game would be against Queenβs Park, so we just need to match Queenβs score and they will remain below us.
Airdrie canβt catch us, so while I accept weβre not 100% safe until after the appeal, everything is pointing to us playing in the championship next year.
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Topic Originator: Zimbo
Date: Sun 27 Apr 08:46
It would be ironic if we stayed up due to goal difference π€£π€£π€£
Post Edited (Sun 27 Apr 08:47)
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Topic Originator: Lesliepartoo
Date: Sun 27 Apr 09:08
Be even better if Falkirk draw on Friday and livi win lol
Cmon ye pars
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Sun 27 Apr 11:00
lets see what happens on Thursday
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Topic Originator: Jock Par36
Date: Sun 27 Apr 11:11
Better financially for us if Falkirk
and Raith stay down, and small supported
Livingston win promotion.
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Topic Originator: Jock Par36
Date: Sun 27 Apr 11:11
Better financially for us if Falkirk
and Raith stay down, and small supported
Livingston win promotion.
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Topic Originator: nazpar
Date: Sun 27 Apr 11:40
Quote:
DBP, Sun 27 Apr 07:13
Hamilton would need to have over 10 points restored to practically mean something to us.
Even if they got 11 points back and in the final games, they win and we lose - they would only go level on points with us, and would still need to overcome a goal difference of 11 in our favour. Also Hamilton last game would be against Queenβs Park, so we just need to match Queenβs score and they will remain below us.
Airdrie canβt catch us, so while I accept weβre not 100% safe until after the appeal, everything is pointing to us playing in the championship next year.
Hamilton`s last game is away against Falkirk
nazpar
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Sun 27 Apr 11:58
Still think Hamiltons defence will be its unreasonable to deduct 15 points with 3 games to go, therefore move it to next year.
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Topic Originator: Angus_W
Date: Sun 27 Apr 12:26
β¦β¦that would penalise the clubs that Hamilton had an advantage over by financially cheating this season. Any points deduction has to come off this season.
They cheated.
β.........it ainβt over till the Pars score!β
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sun 27 Apr 12:58
Let`s just remember that its not unknown for clever lawyers (in this case a KC) to get cases completely dismissed on a technicality.
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Sun 27 Apr 13:32
^SHUT UP LADDIE, HOW CAN YOU EXPECT ANY PUDDING IF YOU DONT SHUT UP.
Give them the points back, we`ll pump Morton on a decent pitch anyway*
Kidding,but I just can`t see them getting let off. You`d then be punishing other clubs that haven`t cheated by putting them back in the poop.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: Socks
Date: Sun 27 Apr 13:45
Aye, we definitely need to be preparing for the game as if we need to get something from it. If the appeal goes our way on Thursday then OK, we can change how we play on the day, but we can`t have a week where we think the season is finished, only to find at the last minute that we need points on Friday.
I`m a wee bit nervous about how it will go. Worst case is all points returned, but that seems unlikely as I don`t see how the 3 points for losing the license can be part of their appeal. It`s a fact that the license was downgraded by the SFA and there is a precedent for a points deduction for that this season.
The 12 points for the main charge is more of a worry. I guess there`s probably two parts to it - did they sign players when they should have had a transfer embargo and, if so, did they deliberately lie to the SPFL to allow them to sign players they knew they shouldn`t have been able to. If they have evidence to show that there should not have been a restriction then I wouldn`t be surprised if they got all 12 points back. If they should have been under restriction but genuinely believed all was in order due to some mistake, the sanction for that should not be as severe as if they`d deliberately lied and acted in bad faith and so they might get some points back.
We need the deduction to be at least 5 points to be sure of being safe, with 4 probably being enough due to goal difference. Less than that, which is possible, and it`s going to be a nervy night at Cappielow.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 27 Apr 14:15
You would expect that all their possible defences would have been put forward and dismissed at the first hearing. Afterwards they said they were astonished by the severity of the penalties which suggests they acknowledged the breaches had occurred.
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Topic Originator: Socks
Date: Sun 27 Apr 14:40
The statement on their website didn`t say they were astonished at the severity of the penalties, it just said they were `astonished and disappointed at the Tribunal decision`.
https://hamiltonacciesfc.co.uk/club-statement-spfl-tribunal/
Based on that, I don`t think they have accepted that breaches have occurred. There`s been so little official comment on the whole thing that it`s difficult to be sure of anything.
I`d be surprised if it was reduced to less than 3 points and I`d be surprised if it was increased, but I wouldn`t be surprised at anything in between.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 27 Apr 15:10
I heard John Rankin being interviewed after a game recently and he said he wasn`t aware that any players had not been paid which surprised me. You would have thought a manager would have got wind of that.
It was also news to me that the club were subject to a transfer embargo. Was it common knowledge? You would expect something like that to be made public, if only as a way of helping to enforce it.
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Topic Originator: bigdonnie
Date: Sun 27 Apr 15:24
queens parks last game is home to wee team so they have to win to have any hope of catching partick then hopefully pars will finish 7th first pars team ive ever known to not win 2 league games in a row in 1 season
donald mcneil
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sun 27 Apr 17:08
Bit of a farce from the SPFL in general. I could see their KC pulling a rabbit out of the hat and getting the points reinstated on a technicality, and then it being proper squeaky bum time on Friday night
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Sun 27 Apr 17:16
they had a KC for the initial hearing which didnt do them much good then.
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Topic Originator: Angus_W
Date: Sun 27 Apr 17:51
Donβt see the appeal being a success. If the points were reinstated Pars + QP + Airdrie would surely all counter appeal. Leaving the whole issue a complete mess.
IMO theyβll reinstate a token 3 points to keep the peace + they canβt catch Airdrie.
β.........it ainβt over till the Pars score!β
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