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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Tue 29 Apr 17:05
SPFL have put out a statement confirming there would be no reconstruction of Premier League but they will be looking at whether they can reconstruct lower leagues. Surprise surprise.
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
Post Edited (Tue 29 Apr 17:19)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Tue 29 Apr 17:17
I demand to know which stadium !
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”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 29 Apr 17:27
It was never going to happen………
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Tue 29 Apr 17:55
stephen.mcgowan
@mcgowan_stephen
Discussions next month will revolve around SPFL Championship expanding to 12 or 14, with a new third tier of 16 or 18 teams
said for a few years a 12 team championship should be on the cards, id prefer that over a 14 if it is going to change.
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Topic Originator: gegganpar
Date: Tue 29 Apr 18:09
Wouldn`t change the Championship it`s the best league in the country.
The standard could be better but it`s always competitive and very few meaningless games...
J angus blacklaws
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Tue 29 Apr 18:14
"The standard could be better" - that`s the understatement of the year IMO.
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Topic Originator: obiwanyouknowme
Date: Tue 29 Apr 18:17
Increase the Championship but still only have 1 team go up automatically - crap
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Topic Originator: gegganpar
Date: Tue 29 Apr 18:34
Quote:
veteraneastender, Tue 29 Apr 18:14
"The standard could be better" - that`s the understatement of the year IMO.
I could have said its Rank Rotten but there`s too much Doom and Gloom on here as it is......😂
J angus blacklaws
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 29 Apr 18:56
Quote:
obiwanyouknowme, Tue 29 Apr 18:17
Increase the Championship but still only have 1 team go up automatically - crap
Got to protect the elite, too many “big” clubs gone down in the last decade.
Expanding Championship to 12/14 wont make it more exciting as still 3 or 4 league games against same sides. Make it 16 and ditch the split. 30 game season with play offs for promotion/relegation and put in a winter break to protect the pitches.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Tue 29 Apr 19:06
I’m all for expanding the lower league to 12 teams and the country having 4 leagues of 12….it’s 100% not my preference and doesn’t address the biggest problem for me (playing each team 4 times), but I would prefer the extra 2 over 10.
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Topic Originator: DunPar
Date: Tue 29 Apr 19:20
What about 3 leagues of 14. Split into two leagues of 7 after playing each other twice then play each other twice in the “super 7s”. 38 games a season.
Maybe promote and relegate two teams at the split and also after the super 7s ?
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 29 Apr 20:54
Quote:
DunPar, Tue 29 Apr 19:20
What about 3 leagues of 14. Split into two leagues of 7 after playing each other twice then play each other twice in the “super 7s”. 38 games a season.
Maybe promote and relegate two teams at the split and also after the super 7s ?
Great, minimum of 4 games against teams again, then draw them in the cups and play them 7 times a year…….how enthralling…..oh add in another 2 in the play offs for 9!
Post Edited (Tue 29 Apr 20:54)
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Tue 29 Apr 22:37
I quite like your idea dunpar but the old firm wouldn`t go for it. I`d like to see 3 leagues but have the 3rd division bigger (18-20) teams to allow more room for extra Highland and Lowland league teams. 4 relegation places to allow 2 from Highland and Lowland teams to come up.
It`ll never happen though even though the larger Championship and 3rd division makes no difference to the Sky Sports teams. Football communism at it glorious best.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Tue 29 Apr 23:26
Quote:
Dave_1885, Tue 29 Apr 20:54
Quote:
DunPar, Tue 29 Apr 19:20
What about 3 leagues of 14. Split into two leagues of 7 after playing each other twice then play each other twice in the “super 7s”. 38 games a season.
Maybe promote and relegate two teams at the split and also after the super 7s ?
Great, minimum of 4 games against teams again, then draw them in the cups and play them 7 times a year…….how enthralling…..oh add in another 2 in the play offs for 9!
Same league cup group, finish first and a best second then get drawn together in the knockout stages to make it 10.
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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 30 Apr 00:05
Just have one big 42 team league. Each team plays the others once only, either home or away. The following season whoever the team played at home, they play away from home. Then, at the end of the season, the top two clubs play each other in a best of 7 games play-off final for the Championship.
Bottom 6 teams get automatically relegated, 3 to the Lowland League, 3 to the Highland, to be replaced by the top 3 teams in those leagues.
Bring in regional youth football and have a draft with the worst team in the league getting first pick.
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Wed 30 Apr 06:13
I don’t know why so many fans (basically all of them) want to reconstruct one of the worst top flights in world football. It’s perfect the way it is obviously! Further proof that the fans really don’t matter in this country. I wonder how much Neil Dumpcaster gets paid to oversee this stuff.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Wed 30 Apr 13:37
I think you need a development path for younger players so an inflated lower division would make sense. I don`t know tge rules on this but rather than having a reserve team, you could create an affiliated club of reserve team players and allow a route to the first team based on a set of restrictions. This would permit the reserves to play in a competitive league with promotion opportunities but still have a route to the first team a bit like loan players. A more holistic solution is needed in Scottish football given the size of the country
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Wed 30 Apr 13:43
restructuring is heavily constrained by TV deal (which in itself is a shambles after clubs sold souls to setanta back in the day). The loss/reduction of 4 glasgow derbies a season isnt pallatable for viewing figures.
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Topic Originator: Ianoappar
Date: Wed 30 Apr 14:15
League reconstruction could mean no relegation this season,be a few clubs hoping that`s the case.
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Wed 30 Apr 14:18
I mentioned this idea in another thread regarding reconstruction. England have the Charity Shield before the season starts. So how about creating and Old Firm cup the week before the season starts. Play it over 2 legs. That way they can make a better top league in the same format as the Belgian league.
18 teams, play each other twice then split into 3 groups of 6. The middle group fights it out for the Conference league place so all 3 mini leagues have something to play for. You`d get 5 Old Firm games that way, making for happy tv people.
It makes 39 games though which could be a problem as they want less games. You could get around that by having a 16 team league. Play twice then split into 2 groups of 5 and 1 of 6 which makes it 34/35 games. Probably make the bottom group 6 teams as they definitely won`t be in Europe.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 30 Apr 14:29
Watch it happen next season when we`re 9 points ahead and they announce no promotion to the old firm`s gang.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Mr P
Date: Wed 30 Apr 15:03
If they are not prepared to change the top league, then they should consider two relegation slots rather than the play off as it is, that way we get two fresh teams every season.
Also, they are moaning about too many games, WHY, look at the amount of games the top teams in England and Europe have to play, the ugly sisters already get as much of an easy ride into the cup competitions, do they want to play less games to get to the final?
Increasing the lower leagues does make sense, but only if the top league doesn`t take all the money as they do now.
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Topic Originator: RhinoPars
Date: Wed 30 Apr 15:15
I posted this response to a post by Coventry Par quite late on in a long thread about Hamilton points penalties. It may therefore have been missed so am reposting for those that may have missed my original post as I think a similar approach to the top league here in South Africa may help both satisfy need of big clubs for more money spinning games as well as increase the size of the league (ignore if you read it the first time)
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"Coventry Par - I have posted on this in the past a while back but here in South Africa our top PSL (Professional Soccer League) and its effective second division both have 16 teams. The PSL was set up with help from the late Trevor Phillips who I think also had a role in setting up the Premier League in England. He was CEO of the PSL for a period. One of the good things they did was to have a much more equitable revenue distribution. While winner of the PSL gets more than the bottom teams a large part of the total money is provided to all clubs in the PSL equally in the form of a monthly grant. This helps with cash flow and also helps make the league more competitive with smaller teams having a bit more of a chance of winning the league. South Africa has an advantage that there is a much bigger population but most are not wealthy and going to games is very cheap. However, the league`s success has meant that TV revenue has been steadily rising. With a 16 team top division there are only 30 games a season and you only play each team twice not four times as in Scotland.
Here the two clubs with by far the biggest support are Orlando Pirates and Kaiser Chiefs. Mamalodi Sundowns have been more successful in recent years but they don`t have the fan base that the big 2 have. The PSL was founded in 1996 and Mamelodi Sundowns have won it 14 times, Pirates and Chiefs 4 times each and four other teams have won it with Super Sport United winning it 3 times and three others winning it once. While still skewed towards the big 3 clubs other smaller sides have won the league on 6 occasions. Contrast that to Scotland and how long ago it was since Aberdeen and Dundee Utd won the league and Hearts almost did. Given their huge fan bases Pirates and Chiefs could be thought of as an OF equivalent (although without the nasty hatred between the OF fans). The standard of the PSL is reasonable and in the past, teams like Manchester United, Aresenal, Liverpool, Spurs, Crystal Palace, Aberdeen and Rangers have played one or both of the big 2 in pre-season matches. This hasn`t happened for a few years as UK clubs seem to have switched attention to SE Asia and USA where perhaps there are more commercial opportunities for them.
Given the 8 fewer games (compared to Scotland`s top division) and only playing other teams twice a season in the league how are the bigger clubs satisfied and are there lots of meaningless games towards the end of the season?
The way they have got round the meaningless games and fewer league
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Topic Originator: RhinoPars
Date: Wed 30 Apr 15:22
Part II
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The way they have got round the meaningless games and fewer league match problem and to give something for more teams to aim for they have an annual Top8 knockout Cup competition. To qualify for the Top8 the following season you have to have finished in the top 8 league positions. Often teams as far down as 12th or 13th may still have a chance to get into the top 8 with a few games to go. At the bottom the bottom (16th) club is automatically relegated. The second bottom goes into a mini home and away play off league with the teams finishing second and third in the second tier division. The winner of this mini-league is the team that will will play in the PSL the following season. The winner of the second tier league is automatically promoted.
The teams higher up the PSL league are also fighting to qualify for the two African football competitions (our equivalent of Champions League and Europa League). Thus right up to the end of the season every club is usually fighting to either win the league, qualify for African competitions, Qualify for next season`s Top8 competition or fighting to avoid relegation. There are very few dead rubbers.
A search for info on distribution of revenue came up with this...
While exact figures can vary and aren`t always publicly disclosed in detail, here`s a general overview of how money is distributed to PSL clubs:
Monthly Grants: PSL clubs receive a consistent monthly grant, crucial for their operational expenses. These grants come primarily from the league`s lucrative broadcasting rights. Sources indicate this figure was around R2.5 million per month per club. (approx GBP 100,000pm)
Prize Money: Clubs also earn prize money based on their final league position. This amount varies significantly, with the league champions receiving the largest share. The prize money has seen increases over the years, with the most recent figure for the league winner being R20 million (equiv to around GBP 810,000).
Key Observations:
Monthly grants provide a stable income for all teams, helping to ensure the league`s competitiveness.
Prize money serves as an incentive for on-field success, rewarding the top-performing teams.
Broadcasting rights are a major source of revenue for the PSL, enabling them to provide substantial financial support to clubs.
It`s important to note that the financial details of the PSL, including the exact distribution model, can change over time with new sponsorships and broadcasting deals.
The thing that is really bad with SA football is the "franchises" can be bought and so clubs with a decent history can sometimes be bought up, renamed and maybe even moved to a different city.
Post Edited (Wed 30 Apr 15:28)
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Wed 30 Apr 22:00
Heard reports from someone involved at a current league club that the discussions are centering around
12-14-16-10
The 10 will not be B clubs, but would be non-SPFL clubs that are currently involved in Lowland & Highland Leagues etc etc that could realistically come into the league structure “like Brechin, Albion Rovers, Clydebank” was what I was told
Post Edited (Wed 30 Apr 22:01)
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Wed 7 May 20:52
Good for the play off teams as they won`t be as exhausted by the time one has to play the SPL team.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: Lambo1885
Date: Thu 8 May 08:51
"Good for the play off teams as they won`t be as exhausted by the time one has to play the SPL team."
Should be a semi and a final, like the other play-offs.
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Thu 8 May 13:13
You`re right,it should be, but Scottish football skirts perilously close to being corrupt.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Thu 8 May 18:17
Quote:
Lambo1885, Thu 8 May 08:51
"Good for the play off teams as they won`t be as exhausted by the time one has to play the SPL team."
Should be a semi and a final, like the other play-offs.
It should certainly be consistent which is what annoys me most.
I actually like the way it’s done though, the team that finishes further down in the playoffs has the hardest shift to put in to earn promotion.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 8 May 19:14
Two leagues of 21 .. 4 up .. 4 down .. no split .. simples ..
Post Edited (Thu 08 May 19:15)
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Thu 8 May 20:19
No offence but simples 😃. Your idea is even more games than now which they want to lower due to European games. It also means just 2 old firm games. Sky want 4.
My idea was an exceptional one (although ripped off from Belgian league) but no one even replied to it so I`m not gonna repeat it. It was also a probable non starter even though it had 4/5 old firm games and 14/16 SPL teams and less games.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: Par-timer
Date: Thu 8 May 22:19
Rather than having different numbers in the leagues, I think 4 leagues of 12 would be an improvement: Premiership, Championship and League One North and South. Then League Two North and South (basically the current Highland and Lowland Leagues with South of Scotland integrated in the latter) and the rest of the pyramid.
Premiership as now, but only two rounds then the split with both home and away games in each section (only 32 games in total but still 4 Old Firm games).
Other three leagues play 4 times each so 44 games (using international weekends and European weeks for the extra fixtures, getting rid of KDM cup) then playoffs based on English National Leagues with home advantage in one-off games for higher-placed team (round one is 3rd v 6th and 4th v 5th, with 11th from the league above and 2nd joining in at round two before the final in round three). For League One and below the playoffs are more complicated but doable!
As with the English pyramid, there would be annual changes of teams between League One North and South and below depending on geographical location. So if the two teams relegated from the Championship were from the north (eg Ross Co and Inverness), they would join League One North but a borderline team like Arbroath might move from League One North to League One South to compensate despite not having been relegated or promoted.
Advantages:
- Premiership gets fewer games as apparently requested but with still 4 Old Firm games if both in top 6
- more league games for teams below Premiership and fewer pointless cup matches with low crowds
- bigger leagues means fewer teams playing with fear to avoid the dreaded drop and (hopefully) better entertainment in the middle leagues
- more teams involved in play-offs to further increase excitement
- play-off home advantage for teams finishing higher in league season
- more chance of equalising the standard of the North and South over time
- less travelling for away teams below the Premiership
- Equality of league size and promotion systems
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 8 May 22:40
How about this structure:
2, 20, 20
So we have what you could call the SBL (Scottish Bigot League) which would include Celtic and Rangers and guarantee Sky as many Glasgow derbys as they want. Then two further leagues where the teams play each other twice.
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Thu 8 May 23:26
Best
Idea
Ever
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 9 May 08:59
Folks, we can discuss every permutation under the sun but we`re only ever going to get the ugly sister`s wishes.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Fri 9 May 09:12
Quote:
Buspasspar, Thu 8 May 19:14
Two leagues of 21 .. 4 up .. 4 down .. no split .. simples ..
👍👍👍👍👍
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Fri 9 May 09:31
Too much riding on having four (at least) televised OF games every season for them to ever jeapordise that.
Other issue IMO with a bigger league is the amount of dead rubbers you would have. Be a lot of games with teams who have no realistic chance of Europe but equally in no danger of getting relegated with quite a few games left to play. On the flipside of that you may see more young players get an opportunity as a result.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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