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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 3 May 23:10
Still some folk saying we were helped by the points deduction.
No we weren`t. We finished above the playoff spot regardless.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sat 3 May 23:21
That`s right Parrot, and I`m very glad we did finish above Airdrie and Queens Park. It means NL can rightly claim he acheived safety for us.
Post Edited (Sat 03 May 23:23)
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sat 3 May 23:22
Quote:
PARrot, Sat 3 May 23:10
Still some folk saying we were helped by the points deduction.
No we weren`t. We finished above the playoff spot regardless.
It’s a hard one to call in terms of, had they not had the deduction, would they, Queens Park and Airdrie still have had the same results?
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sat 3 May 23:26
Can you explain that to me AAPS? Which particular match results do you think could have been different, that would have affected us?
Post Edited (Sat 03 May 23:29)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 3 May 23:46
Hamilton`s results against us maybe? They took 9 points to our 3.
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Sat 3 May 23:58
Quote:
PARrot, Sat 3 May 23:10
Still some folk saying we were helped by the points deduction.
No we weren`t. We finished above the playoff spot regardless.
^^^ Must have missed something as not hearing this 🤔
We definitely survived on our own merit and it came about from the signing of NL and the capitulation of QP
Simple 👊
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Sun 4 May 08:24
There`s no point dwelling on stuff like this. Chances are everything might have panned out differently. Different attitudes. Butterfly effect etc. Or the results might have been similar.
Or if Hamilton hadn`t signed the players they did etc etc.
But we live in this timeline where we finished 7th and that`s that.
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Topic Originator: coventrypar
Date: Sun 4 May 08:32
I too am glad we did it on merit.
Be clear though - Hamilton cheated and were able to field a team of players that they should not have been able to. They won points ( even just by individual players goals they scored) with players who should not have been on the park. So had we finished below QPark - it does not stop the above being factual.
"If you have no kind words to say you should say nothing more at all"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 4 May 09:20
Hamilton are staying full-time next season according to the Sun.
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Sun 4 May 12:26
What rusty said, spot on.
We also did it without scoring a goal. Amazing.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sun 4 May 12:39
Quote:
Rusty Shackleford, Sun 4 May 08:24
There`s no point dwelling on stuff like this. Chances are everything might have panned out differently. Different attitudes. Butterfly effect etc. Or the results might have been similar.
Or if Hamilton hadn`t signed the players they did etc etc.
But we live in this timeline where we finished 7th and that`s that.
Spot on 👏🏻
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sun 4 May 13:12
21 (?) league games without scoring - yet we survived on “merit” - everything is relative I suppose. 🤔
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 4 May 13:23
Doesn`t matter how we survived.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 4 May 13:42
You`re the one who`s always telling us `the table doesn`t lie`, vee!
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sun 4 May 16:51
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 4 May 13:42
You`re the one who`s always telling us `the table doesn`t lie`, vee!
It doesn’t - we’ve been crap all season with the exception of a couple of reasonable(ish) results.
The goals for column speaks for itself.
Being the marginally least worst in the relegation pack is no great achievement.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 4 May 17:19
It is when you think back to what the prophets of doom were predicting for most of the season.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sun 4 May 18:05
Obviously we have differing definitions of achievement.
😂
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 4 May 18:13
You have to adjust your targets as the season progresses. At the start of the season we were all hoping for better but it didn`t work out that way.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 4 May 18:27
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 4 May 18:13
You have to adjust your targets as the season progresses. At the start of the season we were all hoping for better but it didn`t work out that way.
Are folk seriously calling this season an achievement? Based on what exactly?
We’ve literally finished one place worse off than last year and are 10 points behind what we managed then. Not to mention the fact we’re the lowest scoring team in all 4 divisions of Scottish football. That’s not progress, that’s regression.
If that’s an achievement, I dread to think what failure looks like.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 4 May 18:51
Weren`t you one of those who was predicting relegation?
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 4 May 19:27
I was and wasn`t a million miles away.Yet again we limped our way to another mediocre finish. Any chance you fancy answering my question on why you think this season was some kind of "achievement," bearing in mind the facts I already laid out?
Because for me and probably a majority of our fan base scraping the bare minimum, bottling big moments, and calling it "progress" just doesn`t wash anymore.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Jock Par36
Date: Sun 4 May 19:33
A club such as ours, should not be fighting
against relegation. We have one of the best
supported teams in Scotland, and with hopefully Lennon
still here and getting in some decent players, this
scenario will not happen next season.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 4 May 19:35
I thought I`d done that in my posts. It`s all relative. I would have thought, for someone who thinks we have a squad who are predominantly League 1 level, finishing 7th in the Championship was an `achievement`.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sun 4 May 19:44
A good support means nothing if the club isn’t managed properly.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 4 May 19:50
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 4 May 19:35
I thought I`d done that in my posts. It`s all relative. I would have thought, for someone who thinks we have a squad who are predominantly League 1 level, finishing 7th in the Championship was an `achievement`.
We`re the lowest scoring team in Scotland and we`ve ended up with fewer points and a worse league position than last year. It’s hard to find positives in that. If anyone sees this as progress or an achievement then I genuinely struggle to understand the reasoning."
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Sun 4 May 20:00
How about just accepting this season for the disaster that it was (even though we survived) and look forward to next season?
Sounds like a good idea to me.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 4 May 20:08
Quote:
kozmasrightfoot, Sun 4 May 20:00
How about just accepting this season for the disaster that it was (even though we survived) and look forward to next season?
Sounds like a good idea to me.
Absolutely we can`t be much worse next year and Lennon will know the areas he needs to strengthen. I am flabbergasted how anyone can come to the conclusion that the season was an achievement though.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 4 May 20:28
It was a disaster.
Last season was only marginally better.
It`s actually pretty funny that we finished 7th and will receive £212,000 "prize money"
Time to let it go. It`s done.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Sun 4 May 20:48
It`s been a dreadful season with few highlights and we need to move on, sharpish.
But there is a wider point about wallowing in misery. Big chunk of folk had us losing league 1 to Falkirk. Then relegated last year. Then absolutely definitely being caught by Airdrie. None of these things happened. Maybe, just maybe it`s a waste of time assuming the worst all the time.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sun 4 May 20:59
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Sun 4 May 20:08
Quote:
kozmasrightfoot, Sun 4 May 20:00
How about just accepting this season for the disaster that it was (even though we survived) and look forward to next season?
Sounds like a good idea to me.
Absolutely we can`t be much worse next year and Lennon will know the areas he needs to strengthen. I am flabbergasted how anyone can come to the conclusion that the season was an achievement though.
Most certainly not an achievement in the slightest.
Reminded me of the depressive Jocky Scott years.
Pars fans were always brought up on our team at least having a go at the opposition regardless of the results.
This last season has seen us set up just not to lose and no answer when we went a goal or two down.
Tippy tappy p*sh from the back with a very weak midfield devoid of ideas how to open up defences.
We can only get better now and look forward to a title challenge within 2 seasons max.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Sun 4 May 21:46
Absolute disaster of a season and a miracle we managed to survive. It’s a relief that Airdrie had their injury problems for the majority of the season, Queen’s Park had a major collapse and Hamilton cheated! GMBC badly let us down and the lack of investment in the summer made many fear the worst. The sad thing is, if we had invested wisely, we could well have been challenging near the top - as the league quality was ridiculously poor this season.
The good news is we won’t see the majority of the players at our club again and we can hopefully come back stronger next season. I say ‘hopefully’ as I’ve got my hopes up far too many times only to be let down!
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 4 May 22:09
Quote:
kozmasrightfoot, Sun 4 May 20:00
How about just accepting this season for the disaster that it was (even though we survived) and look forward to next season?
Sounds like a good idea to me.
This x 10.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 4 May 22:55
Achievements?
Lets be as positive as we can.
Position: very poor
Performance: poor
Entertainment: dire
Anything actually positive: We got rid of a board that few were in tune with, and appear to have an exciting, forward thinking, ambitious board in charge..
We are finally able to spend money and it looks like we may be able to put a much more competative squad together for next season.
We attracted one of the top managers in Scottish football. We may be able to hold on to him for a wee while
As a result, we shifted from almost certain relegation to finishing 7th, and crowds have started increasing despite not scoring any goals.
I would say the club has achieved a lot that is positive thos year,
Lets focus on the fish and bin the bones.
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Topic Originator: KnebworthPar
Date: Sun 4 May 23:20
Quote:
PARrot, Sun 4 May 22:55
Achievements?
Lets be as positive as we can.
Position: very poor
Performance: poor
Entertainment: dire
Anything actually positive: We got rid of a board that few were in tune with, and appear to have an exciting, forward thinking, ambitious board in charge..
We are finally able to spend money and it looks like we may be able to put a much more competative squad together for next season.
We attracted one of the top managers in Scottish football. We may be able to hold on to him for a wee while
As a result, we shifted from almost certain relegation to finishing 7th, and crowds have started increasing despite not scoring any goals.
I would say the club has achieved a lot that is positive thos year,
Lets focus on the fish and bin the bones.
Well said.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Mon 5 May 19:35
Times are indeed strange when I find myself agreeing with Parrot. I’ve been a very negative poster on here for some years now, but let us be honest, I was right to be. We have been miles off where we should be since the day Peter grant set foot in the door.
I find myself cautiously optimistic about the future of the club though.
We have a board who are making all the right noises, compared to the previous regime who I found to be dangerously naive about the harsh realities of Scottish football.
In Neil Lennon we have a manager far superior to anyone else who has been in the post for a very long time.
Excited to see how the summer unfolds.
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Topic Originator: RhinoPars
Date: Mon 5 May 20:15
Well said PARrot.
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Mon 5 May 20:43
Spot on Parrot.
That`s the truth! I fully expect next season to be a big adjustment (basically a new squad, some will work, others maybe not) but we are definitely going the right way.
Neil Lennon is a massive statement of intent, and he`s really worked at it this season, next season the league as always will be hugely competitive, but we will be more professional, with better players.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Tue 6 May 18:21
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 4 May 19:35
I thought I`d done that in my posts. It`s all relative. I would have thought, for someone who thinks we have a squad who are predominantly League 1 level, finishing 7th in the Championship was an `achievement`.
If you were a financial spin doctor you’d define loss as negative profit !!!
I’m struggling badly to think of a worse season I’ve had to suffer - and there have been more than a few in that category.
Yet some punters are reluctant to accept league tables as a true record 🙄
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Topic Originator: Par-timer
Date: Tue 6 May 18:31
Going back on topic, the biggest beneficiaries were obviously Airdrie, who start their play-off campaign tonight. Hard to believe they only had six points (from 20 games) when we played them back in January. Even more unbelievably, the other beneficiaries, Queen’s Park already had twenty-nine points at that stage, yet Airdrie nearly caught them. Even allowing for “the Hamilton effect”, it’ll be some escape if they end up in the Championship again next season.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 6 May 18:59
vee, if you look back in the thread I think you`ll find you were the first poster to use the term `achievement` although I`m sure you were using it ironically. It then was weaponised against those of us who suggested our finishing position was a lot better than looked likely at various times during the season.
As for `the table doesn`t lie` you are probably the biggest advocate of this mantra when things are at their lowest but you seem to have abandoned it now that we finished 7th.
As for the worst season I think we all tend to think of the most recent bad one as the worst but I doubt that the stats would support that. I seem to remember one season when we were the 5th worst team in Scotland!
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Tue 6 May 19:01
Quote:
veteraneastender, Tue 6 May 18:21
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 4 May 19:35
I thought I`d done that in my posts. It`s all relative. I would have thought, for someone who thinks we have a squad who are predominantly League 1 level, finishing 7th in the Championship was an `achievement`.
If you were a financial spin doctor you’d define loss as negative profit !!!
I’m struggling badly to think of a worse season I’ve had to suffer - and there have been more than a few in that category.
Yet some punters are reluctant to accept league tables as a true record 🙄
Its been explained often enough.
Nobody thinks finishing 7th is an achievement.
Reviving a defeated squad was an achievement.
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Topic Originator: davepars
Date: Tue 6 May 19:05
New manager + target set + target hit = Achievement
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Topic Originator: bigdonnie
Date: Wed 7 May 13:01
poor season only 28 league goals scored only 8 away 2 away wins all season lucky we brought neil in when we did to get important 2 wins missing chances we would have scored easily seasons ago need two proven goalscorers at least defence is not bad but attack is a joke only southampton with 25 was lower than our 28 in all big uk leagues
donald mcneil
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 7 May 16:48
Quote:
bigdonnie, Wed 7 May 13:01
poor season only 28 league goals scored only 8 away 2 away wins all season lucky we brought neil in when we did to get important 2 wins missing chances we would have scored easily seasons ago need two proven goalscorers at least defence is not bad but attack is a joke only southampton with 25 was lower than our 28 in all big uk leagues
Meritorious achievement in the alternative reality universe 🤔
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