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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 12 Jul 16:24
In case it gets lost on the other thread
Team out
Mehmet
Jcm
Bene
Otoo
Ritchie-Hosler
Gilmour
Amade
Kane
Tod
Cooper
Oakley-Boothe
Subs
Margetts
Ngwenya
Hamilton
Todd
Kearney
Young
Bray
Davidson
Fyfe
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Sat 12 Jul 19:11)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 12 Jul 16:55
Some shock results at the first fence
FT
Dundee 0-1 Airdrie (Mochrie)
(Pressley’s first game for Dundee)
Brechin 0-7 Falkirk
Spartans 2-1 Queens Park
Peterhead 2-4 Morton
Into penalties
Clyde 2-2 Motherwell (4-5)
Arbroath 0-0 St Mirren (5-3)
Stranraer 1-1 Ross County
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Sat 12 Jul 22:21)
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Sat 12 Jul 17:13
C`mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 12 Jul 17:16
Live on Sportsound
Some noise from the away end!
Cmon ye Paaaaars!
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 12 Jul 17:17
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Sat 12 Jul 17:20)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 12 Jul 17:19
Goal Hearts
Wilson
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: pars no1
Date: Sat 12 Jul 17:23
Great start at the back
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 12 Jul 17:29
Quote:
pars no1, Sat 12 Jul 17:23
Great start at the back
Mullen gives it away cheaply then the other 2 centre halves ball watching from Shankland effort
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Topic Originator: Parsdaft
Date: Sat 12 Jul 17:40
Struggling a bit first 22 minutes, need some composure a strong a few passes. Chasing shadows a bit at the minute. Ref not helping.
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Topic Originator: Toddyrov
Date: Sat 12 Jul 17:43
Really sloppy in possession
Effe
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sat 12 Jul 17:45
Settled OK after a ropey start. Still crying out for a proper left sided midfield player and Kane feeding off scraps and big punts up the field. Deja vu !
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 12 Jul 17:45
Stuck in our own half for the most part. Cooper almost got away there but for a good recovery tackle
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Sat 12 Jul 17:47
I thought Bene looked slow against East Fife. Austin caught him out at one point, so I’m not surprised to see it happen against stronger opposition. It was a cheap give away from Mullen before that. I just we can get back into it somehow. We seem to lack the pace up front to cause any trouble. We’ve Defended better after the goal at least.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sat 12 Jul 17:48
Radio Scotland commentary is a full on hearts love in.
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Topic Originator: Lucho_8
Date: Sat 12 Jul 17:49
Haven’t kept the ball for more than 5 seconds yet.
Not more than 2 successful passes in a row either.
Not going well lol
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 12 Jul 17:50
Quote:
Jeffery, Sat 12 Jul 17:48
Radio Scotland commentary is a full on hearts love in.
Mini Rangers.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 12 Jul 17:51
Free kick Pars halfway inside hearts half
Poorly taken
Goal kick
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Sat 12 Jul 17:52)
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Sat 12 Jul 17:53
Same as last season, won`t concede a lot but never going to score goals.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 12 Jul 17:54
GOALLLLLLLL
Cooper
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Sat 12 Jul 17:54)
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Topic Originator: coventrypar
Date: Sat 12 Jul 17:55
Amade will boss the midfield with Oakley this season.
Yes. Cooper. 1-1
"If you have no kind words to say you should say nothing more at all"
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Topic Originator: ubisanman
Date: Sat 12 Jul 17:56
Lovely bit.of footage of NL noising up the Hearts fans there!
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Sat 12 Jul 17:56
Quote:
Jeffery, Sat 12 Jul 17:48
Radio Scotland commentary is a full on hearts love in.
Not much better on PS - apparently Hearts "have signed an experienced manger" who "they`ll hope will take them to a higher level"!
Erm .... hello!!! 👋👋
Great finish Josh 👏🏼👏🏼🏁🏁😎😎
COME ON YE PARS!
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Topic Originator: Jacko Par42
Date: Sat 12 Jul 17:57
Not convinced about Oakley Booth, and Bene is too slow. Good finish out of nothing from Cooper
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:02
Great goal from Cooper, that`s 2 screamers in a few games. Maybe a break out season for him?
Or I`ve just jinxed him.
Park the bus now boys, try for the penalty kick bonus point.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:03
Tidy enough, after the bad start, without having that spark up front, settled a bit, then, boom, equaliser.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:05
Bene looks well off the pace today, being bullied by Shankland and Wilson.
We look a bit hardier in the middle though, putting in stronger tackles
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:06
Quote:
nick_dafc1, Sat 12 Jul 17:53
Same as last season, won`t concede a lot but never going to score goals.
And a minute later.....you must be disappointed Nick
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:06
Great finish by Cooper. Nearly got away again there before half time, but had a simple pass to put another through. Midfield looks much better.
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Topic Originator: Lucho_8
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:07
Coopers been a handful for the defenders any chance he’s got so fair play
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Topic Originator: 1985Par
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:10
Really impressed with the work rate- midfield in particular. Amade looks the real deal and Oakley booth making a great recovery tackle at one point- someone has put a rocket up his a### and it’s working.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:10
First time seeing the new ones Amade looks really good. Cooper took the goal well.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: pars no1
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:10
Oakley boothe has been fantastic in that first half. Looks a lot more interested in playing. Cooper has came close a couple of times of beating that defence with a little touch. Worry first 10 minutes but we have settled very well. Won’t be long till the home fans get on their backs
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Topic Originator: coventrypar
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:10
KRH off at half time. Let’s get our new marauding right back on in his place.
Kane. Save him. Bring on Connor Young at half time
Leave JohnTod on for the experience
Amade … star of the half.
Oakley … not far behind
Bene … Davidson on at 60 mins. Lost a yards pace - that’s clear.
Signings … wide creative and commanding no 9
"If you have no kind words to say you should say nothing more at all"
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Topic Originator: wetherby
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:11
Actually thought Bene has been pretty steady - not sure 3 at the back was the way to go against Hearts . They look pretty good , great angles and not giving us any time on the ball. Thought KRH has done OK
Ref has given us nothing
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Topic Originator: pars no1
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:17
Quote:
coventrypar, Sat 12 Jul 18:10
KRH off at half time. Let’s get our new marauding right back on in his place.
Kane. Save him. Bring on Connor Young at half time
Leave JohnTod on for the experience
Amade … star of the half.
Oakley … not far behind
Bene … Davidson on at 60 mins. Lost a yards pace - that’s clear.
Signings … wide creative and commanding no 9
Keaney was playing midweek in Europe in similar heat. He’ll get 15-20mins I’d guess at most
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Topic Originator: jojo
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:18
Patronising dame on Premier Sports cannae even get the name of Pars scorer right …. It’s Josh Cooper hen not James as you said twice on air . Not surprised at lack of respect shown to anything non maroon by those buffoons
Post Edited (Sat 12 Jul 18:19)
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:19
Caught out with the early goal but we settled after about 20 minutes. I thought space started to open up for us as the game went on. Alfons and Tash showing their quality in midfield. Irrespective of the final result there are a lot of positives. Really good goal by Cooper. Did what he is best at, running at the defence, creating a little space and hitting the target.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:19
McIness looks like he`s aged 10 years since the end of last season !
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
Post Edited (Sat 12 Jul 18:20)
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:20
Quote:
Indiapar1, Sat 12 Jul 18:19
Caught out with the early goal but we settled after about 20 minutes. I thought space started to open up for us as the game went on. Alfons and Tash showing their quality in midfield. Irrespective of the final result there are a lot of positives. Really good goal by Cooper. Did what he is best at, running at the defence, creating a little space and hitting the target.
Alfons put in a few quality tackles and looks really good on the ball.
Hearts moving the ball well, but I thought they tired a bit towards the end of the half.
G Wardrope
Post Edited (Sat 12 Jul 18:21)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:30
Think bene needs to be subbed. The first half head knock coming back to haunt him imo
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:33
It’s been a long time since I’ve heard that we have a height advantage in the penalty box lol
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: wetherby
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:33
Odd taking Amade off
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:37
Quote:
wetherby, Sat 12 Jul 18:33
Odd taking Amade off
He`s fit enough and probably looking to keep him that way?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:39
Think it was more a dig in the ribs Bene got. We`re looking much better going forward now but still need to keep it tight at the back.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:40
Any photos of the strips on the players tonight?
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:45
Time for Davidson to stake his claim, Bene is not who he used to be.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:47
Change the name of Premier Sports to Hearts TV ffs.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:47
I think we have been pretty solid defensively. We have come more into the game. A good test.
We have competed well
G Wardrope
Post Edited (Sat 12 Jul 18:49)
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:48
Is the male short perm back in fashion?
Not a good look 😕
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:50
Hearts are ***** - no wonder they finished in bottom 6 last year.
GET INTO THEM PARS 👏🏼👏🏼🏁🏁
COME ON YE PARS!
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:51
Much better second half. Bene looks much better too. Cooper was an absolute menace as well. Credit to him!
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:51
Subs Pars
Todd and Young On
Cooper and OB Off
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:51
Penalty hearts with Mehmet booked
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:52
Shanks scores
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:54
So annoying. Poor pass by JCM which he didn`t need to do. Time yet.
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Topic Originator: rsmith
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:54
Commentary on premier is dyre, nothing about that being a dive all the narrative on it being daft for mehmet to attempt to come for it, even though there is zero contact
Post Edited (Sat 12 Jul 18:54)
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Topic Originator: wetherby
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:54
What the hell was Mullen thinking of there
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:55
Second penalty to hearts
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:55
Poor defending for all the goals.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:56
Implosion, Bene on borrowed time?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:56
Totally ruined all our hard work with two stupid penalties. Bene should know better. That was idiotic. First one was never a pen.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:56
Bene had to do better.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:56
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Sat 12 Jul 18:56
Implosion, Bene on borrowed time?
He`s had a better game than Mullen
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Topic Originator: Toddyrov
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:56
Their goes that game
Effe
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Topic Originator: pars no1
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:56
This is beyond a joke. 2 absolutely farcical pens to give away. 2 goals bene has cost us now. He’s past it big time
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:57
Mehmet 100% has to come for it, the pass was woeful, the dive even worse.
Bene is done - get rid now.
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Topic Originator: Lucho_8
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:57
We were doing better this half and was a lot more even. 2 moments of madness
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:58
Two self inflicted goals made it easy for hearts. I thought the hearts play fell over rather than fouled by Mhemet
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:58
Quote:
nick_dafc1, Sat 12 Jul 18:56
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Sat 12 Jul 18:56
Implosion, Bene on borrowed time?
He`s had a better game than Mullen
Agree
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:59
Mullen should clear it himself
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Sat 12 Jul 18:59
Hearts out of jail thanks to the ref. I`m happy overall with what we have shown. We move.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 12 Jul 19:00
Quote:
Indiapar1, Sat 12 Jul 18:58
Two self inflicted goals made it easy for hearts. I thought the hearts play fell over rather than fouled by Mhemet
Agree
Even the Sportsound commentator asked “why go to ground when you’ve rounded the keeper?”
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 12 Jul 19:01
Positives, Tod hasntt looked out of place. Tash and Alfons are going to be big players for us this season. We look more positive and balanced. Cooper looking the part now. Sharper, quicker and more controlled
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Sat 12 Jul 19:03
Poor defending at the start & terrible from Mullen & Bene - although the first one looked soft / no contact - dirty diving Jambo.
Unfortunate as we were right in that second half.
A performance to build on tho if we can tighten up the defence.
COME ON YE PARS!
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sat 12 Jul 19:04
Apart from the 2 pens which were both avoidable we have been good. Shows we lack a striker once kane came off.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 12 Jul 19:05
First penalty is a total dive but so avoidable
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Sat 12 Jul 19:06
Unfortunately the midfield has collapsed since Boothe was subbed and we lack anything with Cooper being off. Hosler has offered nothing. I can see Bene being phased out this season too.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 12 Jul 19:07
No 4 goes in
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Sat 12 Jul 19:08
Complete and utter collapse since we went 2 down. Shame as we played excellent until then.
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Topic Originator: pars no1
Date: Sat 12 Jul 19:09
Great finish to be fair. But again poor defending
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 12 Jul 19:09
Commentators said Mehmet had no chance with that 4th goal? And he punches one clear there.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 12 Jul 19:12
I think both Alfons and Tash going off we fell out of it. Self inflicted goals. Lack of concentration and a poorly defended corner
G Wardrope
Post Edited (Sat 12 Jul 19:16)
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Sat 12 Jul 19:15
Doesn`t help for 2nd place as you probably need a decent goal difference to sneak through on 9 points.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 12 Jul 19:19
Mullan looks off form at the moment and seems to have a mistake in him that he didn’t have last season but a decent shift against tough opposition.
Pleased to see amade looks a player and ToB appears more interested, committed and prepared to get stuck in so in the middle of the park we’re as strong as we’ve been for many a year, just need a creative midfielder to give an option along with cooper who might be the surprise package this season.
KRH on borrowed time as a starter and maybe at the club, shame as he looked great in league 1 season but seems that was the best of him. Fancy shea to come and be the regular going forward.
We’re better in certain positions now at least but still need to sort out a few positions including goalkeeper.
Post Edited (Sat 12 Jul 19:26)
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Sat 12 Jul 19:21
Great away support, well done lads and ladies 👏 👏 👏.
Not a pumping at least and its out of the way, we won`t face another team anywhere near as good as them (they weren`t great but miles ahead of Championship level) this season (except for possible cup games).
We know that other players should be on the way at some point so I wont judge us on this one performance against a (decent) Premier league side. We should reserve judgement until after the first 9 league games*.
*Many wont see it that way, because you know, dot net 😆.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Sat 12 Jul 19:25
Disappointing scoreline in the end that definitely flatters Hearts.
Lots to take from it on our side tho - we were right in that for the majority of the match.
A bit lightweight up front & with the subs so hopefully we can get a few more bodies in to help.
Hard game to start with & a scorching hot day to boot, so not going to be too critical - was always likely to be a defeat.
Onwards - COYP 🏁🏁
COME ON YE PARS!
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sat 12 Jul 19:26
I`m not too disappointed. Lots of good stuff from us in that match. Two pens spoiled the scoreline. Nothing that can`t be fixed, going forward.
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Sat 12 Jul 19:30
with not playing in midweek you should get the start of an idea as to what it will need in terms of goal difference on 9 pts to have a chance to go through if we get them, that 4th goal could be a real killer for that although all 4 are massively self inflicted with poor decisions to put it mildly.
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sat 12 Jul 19:31
For a good part of the game we were looking competitive
Then the self destruct button , thought the first penalty which changed the game in Hearts favour was a bit of a dive , but saying that poor defending to give a soft passback from Mullen , game was finished at that point !
Lots of good stuff so credit there ! let`s just stop the stupid mistakes , get another few experienced guys in the door and we will only get better
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Topic Originator: Jock Par36
Date: Sat 12 Jul 19:33
I think NL will use the other league cup games
to find his best 11. The result
today, looks worse than it actually was.
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Topic Originator: Parallel Lines
Date: Sat 12 Jul 19:34
Outstanding away support according to Radio Scotland.
I looked for my pet in all the books on animals and birds and then I found it in the Book of Revelations.Marty Feldman
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Topic Originator: coventrypar
Date: Sat 12 Jul 19:37
There was a lot to like. There was a lot that needs sorted. I accept we were away from home against premier topish team.
That said … concerns :
Chico Mullen is not performing ( saw all the home soil friendlies) as well as he did coming on loan.
Bene is a back four very good centre half. Not now in a back 3
KRH - we don’t know where to play him and now looking bang average
We lack creativity either wide spot
Cooper can work off scraps. … not enough scraps.
Deniz … two way street of confidence in your defence and confidence in you keeper. Currently he is not gallous enough.
Kane needs to stop his trap and drop antics.
The good stuff … Amade is everywhere and technically great and doesn’t hide
Oakley will be more than fine
Cooper will push the starter of a game if he doesn’t start himself . Assured and creative
Gilmour - will be more than fine.
Shea - came on and got booked and said “ I’m here”
John Tod did ok for a big game - not afraid to talk up.
We will get 7/8 with penalties possible or 9 points
"If you have no kind words to say you should say nothing more at all"
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Sat 12 Jul 19:38
We played well in general today. Cooper was excellent.
Individual errors cost us in the last 15 minutes or so and gave hearts a very flattering scoreline.
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sat 12 Jul 19:44
Spells in the 2nd half we were excellent and had good pressure. As ever when you play Premiership opposition you get punished for terrible defending and you could argue all 4 goals were massively self inflicted.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Sat 12 Jul 19:57
Cooper took his goal well and might be the CF we are looking for he battled well.
Mentions too for Tash and Amade.
Whilst we competed well, I can`t agree we played well, the goal came out of nothing otherwise we created very little, I was hoping for more.
We looked a bit soft at the back, we`ll need to sort that out going forward.
A goalkeeper, an experienced centre back and creativity still needed.
Not a match to be making too many assumptions on, 3 lower league teams now with two at home, an opportunity to get 3 wins before the league campaign begins.
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 12 Jul 20:04
Mehmet didn`t have a lot to do and indeed made a couple of decent saves. Still clearly need better though and while Chilokoa-Mullen sold the jerseys and Forrest was already on his way down before he got close to him, by charging out to cut the ball out, it made the decision to go to ground the easy one.
Back three all had various issues today. Tod did well after quite a torid start and looks like a squad player rather than someone we`d like to lose on loan. Benedictus was as expected - when not at home and in possession he`s decent enough but prone to either diving in or getting too tight. The second penalty was case in point again. Chilokoa-Mullen had a few wild swipes and a few times he was out of position. Then the penalty. Oh dear.
The wing backs weren`t great. Ritchie-Hosler was actually better than I thought, especially in the second half where he could get forward a bit more. Presumably Kearney will come in for him but still a better performance than recent games. Otoo wasn`t great out wide and I really don`t think that`s his best position. When Ngwenya came on though I don`t think things improved. Looks like we may need an option there despite having two guys we thought could do OK.
Midfield was a concern to begin with but Amade and Oakley-Boothe were both superb after an iffy start. Amade just knows there to position himself to plug gaps when we lose it and gets about the park well. Oakley-Boothe was night and day compared to some of his performances last season. Getting stuck in, tracking back, snapping into tackles, trying to progress the ball. Very impressive and if he can keep it up then fair play to Tash and to Lennon. Only disappointment was Gilmour, and not for the first time. Forgot he was playing and never seemed invoiced unless it was giving away fouls. Was hoping for more from him.
Up front, Kane got nothing from the referee which never helps as we couldn`t get out our defensive third several times in the first half in particular. Put himself about and played a small role in the goal. Cooper was initially just bouncing off their defenders and I thought it was going to be another of those days where his slight build was going to mean an empty shirt, but fair play the way he battled for the ball and then unleashed his shot for the goal. Gave Hearts a few problems and looks like it`ll be a big season ahead.
Young and Todd didn`t have much time to offer much as the game ran away not long after they came on.
Plenty of positives and we aren`t going to play many as good as Hearts this season so there`s a lot to build on and be happy about IMO.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sat 12 Jul 20:08
Plenty of positives to take away from today.
We started appallingly it has to be said but once we found our feet we grew into the game and made it a proper competitive match.
Opening 20 minutes of the second half we looked the more likely to score.
Moment of madness from Mullen with that back pass was the killer for us and the heads went down.
Probably a dive I reckon but no VAR so a penalty was inevitable.
Josh Cooper was a standout for me today.
He’s improving game by game and was very effective up front and refused to get muscled out as Hearts tried to do.
Great finish for his goal too and an easy MOM in my eyes.
I’m not despondent because I saw a Pars team out there that can compete and more importantly wanted to compete.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Bucuresti Par
Date: Sat 12 Jul 20:17
Strange game. First half we were very poor, one attack out of nothing and some poor Hearts finishing at we get in at half time at 1-1. Second half we much better, actually offering some threat and we didn`t look in much danger of conceding until Mullen`s mistake - even then it was a dive by the Hearts player - not Mehmet`s fault at all.
Some positives, Tod looked good again, Cooper was lively. Amade was our one positive in the first half, not sure why he was taken off - presumably a precaution? Oakley-Boothe gradually got more involved and did put a few tackles in. Glimour was largely absent in the first half but he was more involved in the second.
Bene wasn`t as poor as some are making out, however Davidson was more impressive from what I saw pre-season. JCM was a bit unlucky with the first goal, but the second was a very poor mistake which cost us the game. Kane was also poor, didn`t get much protection from the ref or much service but gave away whatever he had. Otoo did ok at left wing back, but looked happier when he went into the middle. KRH also did ok, but didn`t offer much, not sure why he was used as a forward second half - maybe an experiment?
Despite the 4-1, I`d say there some signs of improvement. Needs backed up with 3 performances and 3 wins against the rest of the group though.
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Sat 12 Jul 20:34
Times up for KRH, offers absolutely nothing. Bene and Mehmet goodbye 👋 as well.
We need a Striker, Goalkeeper and a winger as a matter of urgency.
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Sat 12 Jul 20:35
Quote:
Bannockburn Par, Sat 12 Jul 20:34
Times up for KRH, offers absolutely nothing. Bene and Mehmet goodbye 👋 as well.
We need a Striker, Goalkeeper and a winger as a matter of urgency.
They were all better than Mullen today
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Sat 12 Jul 20:48
Notng the oppositiom, the result flattered them, we have major issues to resolve, sadly it is happening too often for bene. But a great start.
Post Edited (Sat 12 Jul 20:49)
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Sat 12 Jul 21:01
Let`s just remember that we are building a team to compete in the Championship, not a team that plays Hearts, Hibs and Aberdeen every week. Aaannnnddd, there are still players to come in that will (hopefully) give us that edge in creativity and goal scoring prowess, as well as a keeper to either replace or challenge Mehmet.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sat 12 Jul 21:08
Just back and caught up with the posts. Really don’t want to repeat what has been said already but I agree with a lot of it.
Just frustrated at the way we shot ourselves in the foot, between the equaliser and the first penalty, I thought there was only going to be 1 winner and that was us.
JCM really worried me today, he ended last season off the boil and looked it again today. Hope he can get back to his “early Pars forum” soon because he is a talent that I want to see do well.
More disappointed than I should be tonight, but it’s the way we lost that’s getting to me.
Finally, the support…..absolutely superb folks, SUPERB!!
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sat 12 Jul 21:59
Quote:
Buster_Brown, Sat 12 Jul 21:08
Just back and caught up with the posts. Really don’t want to repeat what has been said already but I agree with a lot of it.
Just frustrated at the way we shot ourselves in the foot, between the equaliser and the first penalty, I thought there was only going to be 1 winner and that was us.
JCM really worried me today, he ended last season off the boil and looked it again today. Hope he can get back to his “early Pars forum” soon because he is a talent that I want to see do well.
More disappointed than I should be tonight, but it’s the way we lost that’s getting to me.
Finally, the support…..absolutely superb folks, SUPERB!!
Mullen is a frustration because there is clearly a great player there in the making.
His positional sense is spot on and he acts like a sweeper which is a positive.
The negatives are his lack of commitment in 50/50 challenges and, as we saw today his passing sometimes.
I’ve been a big fan of his from day one but there were signs at the end of last season he doesn’t cope well under pressure.
The ultra defensive Pars under McPake and Tidser probably suited him better.
We need a no nonsense defender in there if we are promotion material and hope Lennon and the coaching staff can instill that in him because if he makes that next step up, you’re looking at a future international player.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Sat 12 Jul 22:00
I think defo will be up there this season, think jcm is just going through a rough patch, maybe he heard the bloke shouting 2 mins into the game calling him a scouse ba****d and decided to sack it off (joke obviously)
Amade and Tash(as long as hes interested) are imo going to be the best midfield in the league
Cooper has lots to offer this season
Thought Tod looked really good despite a shaky start, with this being his first competitive game i believe for us he will be a starting CB in time no doubt
Lots of positives to take from the game, just need to cut the silly silly mistakes out of our game, which for me i think we are way more prone to than other teams
New additions definetly have added something, and its good to have a midfield finally that can get stuck in, i like gilmour, i think given time will be an important player,
Not fussed about getting beat, i think 4-1 very flattering, however 2-1 about right, overall im still excited about the season, hope u can all generally agree with this :)
COYP
Post Edited (Sat 12 Jul 22:01)
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Sat 12 Jul 23:02
Great support today, just goes to show if our new backers get this right , we can be a real force .
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Topic Originator: Higgys Mohawk
Date: Sat 12 Jul 23:25
I think JCM has gone off the boil since we moved into a 3. He is maybe more suited to playing in a 2, or the change in formation has coincided with a loss of form. I’m sure he’ll come good again though.
Benedictus has been struggling for a while now and he looked off the pace again today. Tod looked ok though and that’s a positive.
Like others have said Amade and Oakley looked good, as did Cooper.
Kane maybe a bit behind in terms of fitness but he didn’t have as much luck winning fouls against Hearts defenders.
Felt for Mehmet as he was sold short by JCM for the 2nd but we need another keeper for sure.
Overall though we battled with Hearts for most of the game. Individual errors cost us in the end.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sat 12 Jul 23:49
Quote:
saltonsgonagetu, Sat 12 Jul 23:02
Great support today, just goes to show if our new backers get this right , we can be a real force .
100%
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Topic Originator: Jacko Par42
Date: Sun 13 Jul 00:15
Bene and Mehmet were rank rotten and are no where near good enough, hopefully there replacements will be signed soon
Post Edited (Sun 13 Jul 00:21)
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Sun 13 Jul 01:12
Quote:
Jacko Par42, Sun 13 Jul 00:15
Bene and Mehmet were rank rotten and are no where near good enough, hopefully there replacements will be signed soon
In what world was mehmet rank rotten, fair enough a few bad kicks/throws, apart from that what did he do wrong, genuine question
COYP
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 13 Jul 03:32
Quote:
shellypar, Sun 13 Jul 01:12
Quote:
Jacko Par42, Sun 13 Jul 00:15
Bene and Mehmet were rank rotten and are no where near good enough, hopefully there replacements will be signed soon
In what world was mehmet rank rotten, fair enough a few bad kicks/throws, apart from that what did he do wrong, genuine question
He wasn`t. He pulled off a few good saves.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 13 Jul 07:27
Mehmet did ok today ffs, is there really a need to pile in, for me wasn`t too much at fault and had a couple of decent saves.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sun 13 Jul 07:31
I think you have to look at it through the lens of Shankland, not scoring a goal in open play. I didn`t think Bene and JCM were bad, nor Mhemet.we threw it away with the individual errors fair enough, but for 75 minutes up to that point, we were in the game. I agree with shellypar. 2-1 was about right. There are lots of positives despite the scoreline.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sun 13 Jul 08:38
In the cold light of day, I wasn`t too concerned with the performance, or the result which flattered Hearts slightly.
I felt we played well in stages, and completed well against a good Premiership team until the last 15 minutes when 2 individual mistakes cost us.
I thought Amade looked good, as did Oakley-Boothe, and John Tod didn`t really look out of place in the first team. I didn`t think Mehmet and Benedictus looked as bad as some are saying either, should still be able to play some part for us this year.
I`d say we are 4 players away from having a right good team, a good goalie and experienced, strong centre back. A creative midfielder, and another reliable centre forward. If we had managed to sign, Tobi, Dec Gallagher, Easton, and Brian Graham, that would have been a title winning squad in my opinion....I have a feeling they still might just bring in better players than them
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Sun 13 Jul 09:03
Quote:
red-star-par, Sun 13 Jul 08:38
In the cold light of day, I wasn`t too concerned with the performance, or the result which flattered Hearts slightly.
I felt we played well in stages, and completed well against a good Premiership team until the last 15 minutes when 2 individual mistakes cost us.
I thought Amade looked good, as did Oakley-Boothe, and John Tod didn`t really look out of place in the first team. I didn`t think Mehmet and Benedictus looked as bad as some are saying either, should still be able to play some part for us this year.
I`d say we are 4 players away from having a right good team, a good goalie and experienced, strong centre back. A creative midfielder, and another reliable centre forward. If we had managed to sign, Tobi, Dec Gallagher, Easton, and Brian Graham, that would have been a title winning squad in my opinion....I have a feeling they still might just bring in better players than them
Totally agree with this, Hearts are investing in a team trying to finish 3rd under a good manager in McInnes. It took a little while to get into the game after a difficult first 15-20 minutes, but from that point up until 70 minutes the Pars were well in the game.
I thought the first portion of the 2nd half the team looked much more confident and had some decent passing spells, Cooper in particular showed some real guile and skill including for his goal. Certainly still need 4 or 5 strong additions through the door at the positions mentioned, but more than enough to be pleased about how the team is trying to play
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Sun 13 Jul 09:05
Could agree with most said. Positives to take and it is still early yet. Hopefully we can get 9 points from the 3 remaining games and it would go down as a good group showing.
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 13 Jul 09:06
Both penalties looked like dives to me. The second saw Bene guilty of having a leg out but the Hearts lad looked like he threw himself over it. Pretty embarrassing for Hearts that they had to stoop to that level to beat a championship side. Even more embarrassing was Hearts hatred of Neil Lennon (and we know why...). Always been Rangers fans without bus passes.
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Topic Originator: summeragent
Date: Sun 13 Jul 09:13
Didn’t think Benedictus or Mehmet are good enough if we are going to be serious about pushing for promotion.
Bene just looked pedestrian and Mehmet not good enough. Mullen too many slack passes. Too many individual mistakes yesterday cost us.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sun 13 Jul 09:18
Dandy Warhol absolutely nailed it about Mehmet. My son was sitting in the section right behind the goal and said he was getting pelters from our own support “and quite rightly so”… but I honestly don’t get it. From where I was sitting, apart from a couple of kicks and coming out to collect a few through balls, I don’t think he did much wrong at all.
I’m 100% with Red-Star-Par on his overall take. If those players had come in, I genuinely think we’d be looking at a proper title push no question.
Lennon said yesterday the goal is to be “in the mix,” and I really hope we can bring in the final few players to make that happen, but we are definitely progressing as it stands.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sun 13 Jul 09:48
Big positive for me was centre midfield.
New guy was excellent, read and anticipated a lot of stuff when we didn`t have the ball whilst Oakley looked much leaner and more mobile than last season so a potentially really good pairing there.
Crying out for a good left sided midfielder but that`s been the same for about two years so no change in that respect. Probably another centre forward too in fairness.
Goalie situation isn`t ideal but it`s not as if we are left with an untested 17 year old and nobody else. Mehmet frustrates the life out of me with the refusal to come off his line and command his box but have came to accept that`s never going to change now so just need to deal with it.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 13 Jul 10:06
Quote:
jake89, Sun 13 Jul 09:06
Both penalties looked like dives to me. The second saw Bene guilty of having a leg out but the Hearts lad looked like he threw himself over it. Pretty embarrassing for Hearts that they had to stoop to that level to beat a championship side. Even more embarrassing was Hearts hatred of Neil Lennon (and we know why...). Always been Rangers fans without bus passes.
First one would have been overturned by VAR, he is clearly going down before any, if any, contact is made.
2nd penalty was a stonewaller - Bene completely done by the agility of Kabangu and clatters into him.
Really don’t get the pile on of Mehmet - done fine with what he had to, got unlucky with the decision for first pen (see above) and couldn’t do anything about their goals. Nothing wrong with him yesterday.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sun 13 Jul 10:38
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sun 13 Jul 10:06
Quote:
jake89, Sun 13 Jul 09:06
Both penalties looked like dives to me. The second saw Bene guilty of having a leg out but the Hearts lad looked like he threw himself over it. Pretty embarrassing for Hearts that they had to stoop to that level to beat a championship side. Even more embarrassing was Hearts hatred of Neil Lennon (and we know why...). Always been Rangers fans without bus passes.
First one would have been overturned by VAR, he is clearly going down before any, if any, contact is made.
2nd penalty was a stonewaller - Bene completely done by the agility of Kabangu and clatters into him.
Really don’t get the pile on of Mehmet - done fine with what he had to, got unlucky with the decision for first pen (see above) and couldn’t do anything about their goals. Nothing wrong with him yesterday.
Agree, Mehmet was okay yesterday.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 13 Jul 10:41
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sun 13 Jul 10:06
Quote:
jake89, Sun 13 Jul 09:06
Both penalties looked like dives to me. The second saw Bene guilty of having a leg out but the Hearts lad looked like he threw himself over it. Pretty embarrassing for Hearts that they had to stoop to that level to beat a championship side. Even more embarrassing was Hearts hatred of Neil Lennon (and we know why...). Always been Rangers fans without bus passes.
First one would have been overturned by VAR, he is clearly going down before any, if any, contact is made.
2nd penalty was a stonewaller - Bene completely done by the agility of Kabangu and clatters into him.
Really don’t get the pile on of Mehmet - done fine with what he had to, got unlucky with the decision for first pen (see above) and couldn’t do anything about their goals. Nothing wrong with him yesterday.
Both penalties are just daft and avoidable that`s the frustrating part. Mullen`s decision on the first is baffling, just deal with it instead of trying to lay it back under pressure. And the second, Bene’s caught trying to overplay instead of clearing his lines. Once he throws that lazy leg in it’s only ending one way. Stonewaller.
That aside, there was a lot to be encouraged by. We actually looked like we had a plan and competed well in spells. Just frustrating to lose silly goals more than anything.
Kane comes on and suddenly we`re lumping it to KRH? He’s never winning those. Either play it into feet or start running channels don’t just hoof it long.
But overall? We’re night and day from the dross served up most of last season. Still raw in areas, but signs are there. Promising.
c'mon the pars
Post Edited (Sun 13 Jul 10:42)
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Topic Originator: Bucuresti Par
Date: Sun 13 Jul 10:46
Mehmet did fine yesterday, at least one more keeper will be coming in, no need to get on his back, he didn`t make any glaring errors yesterday - unlike our defenders.
The first penalty was a clear dive, the referee was generous to them throughout so no surprise he gave it. The second was a clear penalty, really dumb from Bene and that killed the game for us. Lennon was absolutely furious about it in his post match comments, will be interesting to see if Bene retains his place, Davidson was more impressive there pre-season and he was up and down yesterday, some good tackles and blocks but also quite a few errors.
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Topic Originator: PARadise
Date: Sun 13 Jul 11:03
Very encouraged yesterday, we won the midfield battle for large parts of the game. Amade and Tash impressed. I think gilmour struggled but will get there, thought Otoo actually looked better when he moved to midfield.
Cooper growing into a player, he always seems to pop up with a goal and has had a few already in pre season. John Tod didn`t look out of place which is very impressive at Tyne castle. Really really liked the look of Kearney when he came on, some more of those types of signings and we`ll be up there.
I love Bene and he`s done a job for us but if Kevin holt is still available that would be someone you`d think we`d enquire about.
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Sun 13 Jul 11:16
apparently Holt wants to be at a club in the west.
""Lennon said yesterday the goal is to be “in the mix,” and I really hope we can bring in the final few players to make that happen, but we are definitely progressing as it stands"
not basing it on yesterday but we need more than a few and also ditch the 3 at the back to have a decent chance.
Post Edited (Sun 13 Jul 11:37)
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Topic Originator: dafc111
Date: Sun 13 Jul 11:40
Lots of positives to take from yesterday. Thought TOB and Amade looked good in the middle of the park. Otoo had a great game. Cooper provided a bit of a spark. A few experienced heads needed with some creativity and we should have the making of a decent squad.
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Sun 13 Jul 11:58
Agree with most of the comments. Mehmet was ok, couple of good saves, couple of mistakes.. just the usual from him but by no means does he deserve criticism yesterday.
JCM on the other hand.. looked a bombscare. first goal he tries to play a clever pass while dragged out to RWB.. 20 yards out of position.. absolutely criminal at that time of the game. Very impressed with TOB and Amade, controlled the game for a period in the second half and it’s no coincidence we capitulated when they both went off.
We badly need another CF, GK and attacking midfielder although cooper could easily be a starter every week based on yesterdays showing, he hassled them constantly and deserved his goal.
Another mention for the support aswell, 10/10 backing.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sun 13 Jul 12:07
One soft penalty, if you could even call it that, and an impulsive foot out by bene was the difference in the sides. We got caught early, a lesson there, but recovered well. We do need competition in places but overall I thought a good team performance. If we had the opportunity to play teams like Hearts every week, the players would come on leaps and bounds. The championship is a bit more rough and tumble than the premiership, so we got a little lesson in moving the ball, creating space, and accurate passing.
Kane will maybe get more free kicks in the championship than yesterday. It`s good to see in the opening games that we are scoring from outside the box. It`s the ability to do that in games that will make the difference this season
G Wardrope
Post Edited (Sun 13 Jul 12:10)
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sun 13 Jul 13:22
Quote:
Bucuresti Par, Sun 13 Jul 10:46
Mehmet did fine yesterday, at least one more keeper will be coming in, no need to get on his back, he didn`t make any glaring errors yesterday - unlike our defenders.
The first penalty was a clear dive, the referee was generous to them throughout so no surprise he gave it. The second was a clear penalty, really dumb from Bene and that killed the game for us. Lennon was absolutely furious about it in his post match comments, will be interesting to see if Bene retains his place, Davidson was more impressive there pre-season and he was up and down yesterday, some good tackles and blocks but also quite a few errors.
Tent to agree with mist on Bene ,was a fan but since his injury hasnt been the same player.
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Sun 13 Jul 15:30
It shouldn`t be a surprise to anyone that Hearts put us under a lot of pressure in the first half. The 1st goal was disappointing - Shankland given too much space on the edge of the box but it would have been up for goal of the round had it gone in. It hits the post and then it`s a lottery.
I thought we showed good resilience to shut them out for the rest of the half.
Very pleasing that we managed to get a break away goal from that situation - that`s a good sign. After scoring and until they penalties you could see the confidence and we were knocking it about nicely.
The penalties were avoidable as was the 4th - I think it wa Kearney that lost his man.
The comments about Bene seem over the top. Apart from the penalty he was decent. He made a good number of vital challenges. JCM is a bit worrying, but as I said, they were under a lot more pressure than normal.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sun 13 Jul 15:56
Quote:
fcda, Sun 13 Jul 15:30
The penalties were avoidable as was the 4th - I think it wa Kearney that lost his man.
I’d have to watch it back again, but from where I was sitting in the stand, I don’t think it was Kearney’s fault. 2 players split, Kearney stayed to mark someone else and another player went but didn’t track the run.
Even if it was Kearney’s man, I’m sure he can be forgiven having only had a light training session the day before.
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Sun 13 Jul 16:29
What happened outside the ground, seen a young lad lying unconscious on the road with police running about and sealing off the road
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Topic Originator: womble
Date: Sun 13 Jul 16:37
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Par, Sun 13 Jul 16:29
What happened outside the ground, seen a young lad lying unconscious on the road with police running about and sealing off the road
A young lad was having an epelptic fit luckily his dad caught him before fell to the ground. We shouted for police and medics. My bro looked after him until medics came. Police shut road off so there was plenty space to get the young lad in the ambulance. Hope the young boy is ok
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Sun 13 Jul 16:41
Hope he is ok
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Topic Originator: hudza
Date: Sun 13 Jul 17:34
Echo a lot of the comments above.
Thought the players gave their all and we gave a good account of ourselves.
Cooper, Oakley Boothe and Amade played well. Tod grew into the game.
We got punished for our mistakes but we won’t play a better team this season.
I’m not Mehmets biggest fan but he wasn’t bad yesterday, think some of the criticism based on yesterday is a bit harsh.
Think Lennons interview was bang on, plenty of positives and also room for improvement in some areas.
The support yesterday was brilliant.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Tue 15 Jul 12:36
I`ve never watched a game where I have seen Bene give less than 100%. No doubt at his age we need to bring younger defenders through the team for succession planning. Bene has been a good servant to the club, so would hope with him doing his coaching badges there is still a role to play for him at EEP. I`m sure he has his own standards and would have been disappointed with giving away the penalty
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Tue 15 Jul 12:54
Sentiment can`t come into it when the goal is top 4 need we players who are up to the standard right now, not based on what they’ve done in years gone by. Bene’s commitment has never been in doubt, but that only gets you so far when the legs are going and you’re a step off the pace.
When you’ve got younger lads trying to make their way in the game, maybe easily influenced I`m unsure if his off field behaviour is going to help them when your trying to set standards on and off the pitch. Whether it affects them or not, it’s just not the example you want.
Might sound harsh to some but we can`t keep guys that give 100 percent but aren`t up to the standard we need.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 15 Jul 14:56
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Indiapar1, Tue 15 Jul 12:36
I`ve never watched a game where I have seen Bene give less than 100%. No doubt at his age we need to bring younger defenders through the team for succession planning. Bene has been a good servant to the club, so would hope with him doing his coaching badges there is still a role to play for him at EEP. I`m sure he has his own standards and would have been disappointed with giving away the penalty
I mean, for all its worth, if him and Fisher are found guilty at their court hearing, they will both be terminated on the spot (hopefully). That could leave us very short at CB.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Tue 15 Jul 14:58
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Dave_1885, Tue 15 Jul 14:56
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Indiapar1, Tue 15 Jul 12:36
I`ve never watched a game where I have seen Bene give less than 100%. No doubt at his age we need to bring younger defenders through the team for succession planning. Bene has been a good servant to the club, so would hope with him doing his coaching badges there is still a role to play for him at EEP. I`m sure he has his own standards and would have been disappointed with giving away the penalty
I mean, for all its worth, if him and Fisher are found guilty at their court hearing, they will both be terminated on the spot (hopefully). That could leave us very short at CB.
Does anyone know when their court case is scheduled .
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Tue 15 Jul 15:03
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Indiapar1, Tue 15 Jul 12:36
I`ve never watched a game where I have seen Bene give less than 100%. No doubt at his age we need to bring younger defenders through the team for succession planning. Bene has been a good servant to the club, so would hope with him doing his coaching badges there is still a role to play for him at EEP. I`m sure he has his own standards and would have been disappointed with giving away the penalty
Dont think anyone denies Bene commitment ,more his ability
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Tue 15 Jul 19:46
If Benedictus is convicted of another assault the club have an unenviable decision to make.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Tue 15 Jul 20:21
Quote:
veteraneastender, Tue 15 Jul 19:46
If Benedictus is convicted of another assault the club have an unenviable decision to make.
Straightforward one in my view.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 15 Jul 20:22
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veteraneastender, Tue 15 Jul 19:46
If Benedictus is convicted of another assault the club have an unenviable decision to make.
If he’s found guilty it’s 100% not an unenviable position. The fact neither have been suspended (with pay of course) pending the court case is pretty poor in itself. It’s a serious assault they are up for as well, not common assault.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Tue 15 Jul 20:23
Is there much of a decision to make? Surely he’s breached the terms of his contract and will be fired?
Agree with the sentiment above, even if they have been a good servant, once they drop below the level that takes us forward we need to move them on asap, it’s the only way we’ll improve.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Wed 16 Jul 07:32
I get when we signed benedictus we knew he came with some off field baggage. Back in 2011 he ended up assaulting two guys. He admitted it too.
Fast forward to 2025, he’s club captain and he has put the club into disrepute. Alleged assault to severe injury and danger to life isn`t exactly a petty squabble, that’s serious.
I get the whole “innocent until proven guilty” thing, but we can’t ignore the optics here. He’s the captain, meant to lead by example. Do we really want young players coming through the ranks and looking up to that? Sometimes you`ve got to draw a line. I wouldn`t have him captain for a start.
c'mon the pars
Post Edited (Wed 16 Jul 07:34)
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 16 Jul 13:28
100% agree with this. ^
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Wed 16 Jul 14:10
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OzPar, Wed 16 Jul 13:28
100% agree with this. ^
Why? He’s not been found guilty of anything or do you prejudge these things?
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Wed 16 Jul 14:24
It’s definitely a strange one. The fact neither of them entered a plea kind of tells its own story and feels like there’s more to come out. If it was just a misunderstanding or they were innocent you’d think they’d be quick to clear it up? Unfortunately the silence would suggest otherwise. Add in the fact he’s already got previous for assault and it paints a worrying picture.
If he ends up being found guilty, the club absolutely has to act. Doesn’t matter who he is or what role he plays, we can’t have someone with that hanging over them representing us especially not wearing the armband. Whole thing is a mess, and when we are wanting to bring young players in to develop them having our captain facing a serious assault charge doesn`t look good.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 16 Jul 14:33
How would they come out quickly tomorrow innocence without a case taking place? Not entering a plea is just a tactical move. They need to see what evidence there is.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Wed 16 Jul 15:19
I’d agree Jake, I know that no plea can be for a variety of legal reasons under a lawyers advice, it is in no way an admission of guilt. Often it is a stalling tactic to form a robust defence as possible as the evidence unfolds.
Should Bene and fisher be found guilty, the club then has a decision to make. Cynically you might say it is a free opportunity to get them off the wage bill if they aren’t performing.
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Topic Originator: coventrypar
Date: Wed 16 Jul 15:57
Never10yards …
The club is a public facing business. It’s a community that it has reach to an huge audience and not just 4,500 fans. If an employee is saying an event took place and they are innocent, then you have to stand by them. If found guilty there is the question of (1) Does it stop them doing their job of work and (b) is it gross misconduct … answer no unless it was in company time/ officially representing the company outside of hours. Then and only then unless there is a clause in the contract that any illegal act goes against the character of the club and will result in dismissal, then the club has to do what’s not right and not just rip up a contract.
"If you have no kind words to say you should say nothing more at all"
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 16 Jul 16:04
It depends on the circumstances IMO. Obviously shouldn`t be battering people and if found guilty they deserve punishment, but a sacking depends on why they did it.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Wed 16 Jul 16:15
Coventrypar,
It is pretty standard that there are such clauses in players contract regarding their offfield conduct bringing the club into disrepute etc. I’d be surprised if we didn’t have something like that in our contracts.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Wed 16 Jul 17:28
A no plea is the fact that it’s a Petition ie a serious case. They also appeared in private therefore no details are available to the public at this time including dates of court appearances and case details.
Please do not try to assume anything in relation to these two cases as this may have a detrimental impact for future hearings.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Fri 18 Jul 08:23
start of competitive action and zero enforcement of the new Laws of the game when it comes to goalkeeper holding the ball.
Sean Murdoch has been only official to enforce the new law in the game at EK.
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