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Topic Originator: msgribbin
Date: Sun 24 Aug 00:21
So the game last night - not only unimpressive but unimpressive in fairly much the same way as under McPake or even Tidser.
No heart, no intensity, little positivity and no real clue until far too late. The game should`ve been gone by then - by luck it wasn`t but another soft goal took care of that.
Four points on the board shouldn`t paper over the cracks. Not much action in the Morton game, poor against Airdrie until a wonder goal, dreck away to Raith once again. Nothing here McPake couldn`t have achieved.
So Neil Lennon....some of the noises off are encouraging for sure, but is anyone else feeling a little bit gas-lighted ? Putting aside his reputation and plausible interviews, what has fundamentally changed here ? Yes, there are new faces and some might be promising....but how many really good performances and results have there been so far ? Is the desperation for something, anything better obscuring reality that all we have is more of the same.....
To me, it looks like yet another manager who sets up cautiously and doesn`t go out on the front foot to try and win games. The names change - although maybe not enough of them ! - but it`s still more boring, negative, toothless football. Stay in the game and try to nick something. Chase the game in too little, too late fashion if we concede. Rinse and repeat.
There are very few signs on the pitch this is going to work. It is too early to expect a finished product but there should at least be signs of a different mindset. Talking a better game doesn`t really cut it....
Mark G
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Topic Originator: Parsdaft
Date: Sun 24 Aug 07:16
Composure on the ball is lacking, Gilmour exempt. It’s not a hot potato it’s a football.
Easy pass back instead of taking player on sometimes. Take a chance, be confident.
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Topic Originator: craigypar35
Date: Sun 24 Aug 07:57
Quote:
msgribbin, Sun 24 Aug 00:21
So the game last night - not only unimpressive but unimpressive in fairly much the same way as under McPake or even Tidser.
No heart, no intensity, little positivity and no real clue until far too late. The game should`ve been gone by then - by luck it wasn`t but another soft goal took care of that.
Four points on the board shouldn`t paper over the cracks. Not much action in the Morton game, poor against Airdrie until a wonder goal, dreck away to Raith once again. Nothing here McPake couldn`t have achieved.
So Neil Lennon....some of the noises off are encouraging for sure, but is anyone else feeling a little bit gas-lighted ? Putting aside his reputation and plausible interviews, what has fundamentally changed here ? Yes, there are new faces and some might be promising....but how many really good performances and results have there been so far ? Is the desperation for something, anything better obscuring reality that all we have is more of the same.....
To me, it looks like yet another manager who sets up cautiously and doesn`t go out on the front foot to try and win games. The names change - although maybe not enough of them ! - but it`s still more boring, negative, toothless football. Stay in the game and try to nick something. Chase the game in too little, too late fashion if we concede. Rinse and repeat.
There are very few signs on the pitch this is going to work. It is too early to expect a finished product but there should at least be signs of a different mindset. Talking a better game doesn`t really cut it....
Said it during the second half and walking up Pratt Street. The jury is out on Lennon as far as I’m concerned. The first half was Tidserball with an improvement in the second half. To say we were brilliant though is mind boggling to be honest. He’s getting a bit of money and I expect him to turn us around given time but definitely feel we have a long way to go. It’s on him and nobody else that our strikers is so weak at this stage in August!
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 24 Aug 08:26
Can’t really argue with any of the ops points based on the first 3 games. 2 of 3 games have been Dunfermline nil and last season Lenny only managed something like 2 goals in the last 6 or 7 games but we put it down to the dross available, this season he’s still playing the dross in key positions and it shows and as the games go on playing these guys Lennon credibility is slowly erroded.
There are some worrying signs, a new contract for boothe rings alarm bells for those who have seen him “play” against teams even remotely physical and KRH looks like he wants to be anywhere but on that wing driving forward. He certainly hasn’t been able to get more out of Otoo either whose progress has ground to a halt and mullan looks a shadow of his former self. No idea what’s happened with young but all is not well there.
Much like the wanyama debacle next year, Lennon seems more than happy to carry passengers in the team. Where’s the heart, the passion and working hard for each other? The players should have been surrounding the ref and going mad after the challenge on Tod on Friday but we were meek and just took it. It was too easy for Raith to win every 50/50 and ball in the air.
If it wasn’t for gilmour we’d have been completely overrun and likely out of the game by half time.
It will get better though, 2 or 3 of them are surey now even for Lennon on borrowed time and we do now have quality replacements who will come in and there was encouragement in Fraser who get a bit more involved in the 2nd half and Jefferson looks a big upgrade. Hopefully a new striker and CB too.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sun 24 Aug 08:26
Three games in, one win and then we get nonsensical threads like this.
All because we got beat by the wee team.
Have a sit doon.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sun 24 Aug 08:32
Think some of you need a bit of a reality check to be honest and perhaps give a bit of a more balanced view that drenching yourself in the negative.
Challenge we have at the moment is we’ve been starting too slow, we also have one of the youngest squads who are facing into much more experienced and street wise players familiar with this league.
It’s going to take time, but there’s positives there.
Morton - we were slow to start, they had a couple of good chances first half as they were targeting J Tod.
Airdrie - they were very much on top for the first half bar the two goals at the end.
Raith - conceding so early on due to an error kicked the stuffing out of us a little bit.
Back to Morton, bar excellent saves from the keeper, we should’ve won the game, by far the better team in the second half.
Back to Airdrie, despite the pressure we go in 2-0 up and the most controlled second half I’ve seen us when defending a lead, never looked like we were going to lose.
Back to Raith, second half we were by far the better team, just lacked traction in the final third, something that is wholly recognised and has been referenced several times in interviews.
Considering we’re still a few players short, I’d consider this a good start to the season. They’ll have learnt a lot from the Raith game in particular.
People tend to expect to see instant change overnight or signs of progress each week - sometimes with young players it doesn’t work like that, there’s inconsistencies.
The players we have brought in all look positive, knowing more will come, we have a well known manager in Lennon with excellent experience who I’d never think we’d ever see here.
Commercially we’re doing well with Gamdom and needless to mention the recent third kit success.
A lot going on at the moment which is really positive, but a defeat against Raith (not unexpected given where we are in rebuild) and folk are getting ancy.
We’re third in the league, chill out, let the process run its course, the club seem to know what they’re doing.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Sun 24 Aug 08:40
I agree with Berry.
If you thought years and years and years of underperformance as a club was going to be magically fixed in one transfer window and one pre season then I`ve a bridge to sell you.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 24 Aug 08:50
Gilmour looks nailed on to be our POTY by the end of the season. He’s been quality and brings a lot of composure in midfield. Always wanting the ball.
That said, the big issue hasn’t gone away. We’ve known for years that when Kane isn’t on the pitch we simply don’t score enough. The stats have shown it season after season. We have made good progress but the goalscoring void is still there. I can`t see anyone currently in the squad hitting close to 10+ this league campaign other than kane.
The solution isn’t simple. Every club is fighting for that rare striker who can guarantee goals and stay fit. Until we address it properly, we’ll keep relying too much on Kane who will continue to cope with the demands of a season.
c'mon the pars
Post Edited (Sun 24 Aug 08:51)
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sun 24 Aug 08:56
I think there has been progress. With the age of the players we have brought in, I anticipate as the season progresses, our performances and results will improve. There is no magic wand here. It takes hard work and effort. You can judge on tge basis of one game. We were beaten by experience. Talking honestly I think Rovers could have run out by 3 or 4 goals in the end. A younger team will be up and down.and inconsistent. I expected that this season. We need a good experienced striker. That`s a needle in a haystack. We didn`t get behind the defence until Caraceres came on. That`s what we need in my view. Raith Rovers went through the middle alot and got the ball in the box at every opportunity. Good football doesn`t necessarily correlate with creating chances. It`s the ability to deliver a quality ball into the box that will yield results
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sun 24 Aug 10:14
Ref: msgribbin Sun 24 Aug 00:21
"It is too early to expect a finished product"
That`s the only bit of sense in the OP.
Some folk just get carried away, then when we get beat, it`s Oh Woe is me - the great gnashing of teeth (or teesh)
Top post from Indiapar! a consistent good poster.
And this:
Ref: buffy Sun 24 Aug 08:26
Three games in, one win and then we get nonsensical threads like this.
All because we got beat by the wee team.
Have a sit doon.
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Aye, do us all a favour - I mean harpin on wi` drivel like the McPake and Tidser days could hold a candle tae now - wake up - we`re in a whole new world. We`re on the road to recovery. Keep the heid!
Post Edited (Sun 24 Aug 10:20)
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 24 Aug 11:07
Quote:
Rusty Shackleford, Sun 24 Aug 08:40
I agree with Berry.
If you thought years and years and years of underperformance as a club was going to be magically fixed in one transfer window and one pre season then I`ve a bridge to sell you.
You got there before me.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Sun 24 Aug 11:51
I think we have progressed since last season.
We will finish higher than we did last season and with a points total significantly higher. We aren’t where we want to be yet and might not get promotion this season but I do expect us to make the playoffs.
Friday night was a car crash and I think Lenny got it wrong but it doesn’t mean our season is done and I still think Lenny is a good manager. Our inexperience showed a bit and I don’t think we were set up to give ourselves the best chance to win the game. All the subs improved us, they just came too late.
I’m hopeful lessons will be learned and we will see a different starting line up against Ross County on Saturday. I’m hopeful for at least 2 more signings to provide us with goals and experience before the window shuts too.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sun 24 Aug 11:57
Thinking about progress, I don`t think we have progressed at all since Stevie Crawford left. I think his team and squad was better than the current line up. He actually improved the players during his time here, which is something that hasn`t really happened since.
Having said that, I think we will turn things round, we have good young players with a lot of potential. We just need to get the right, experienced professionals in to control the game and talk the youngsters through it. That`s what they need to take the pressure off them. I always remember seeing Darren Dods towards the end of his career, playing for Forfar and barking orders at all the youngsters. That`s the sort of experienced heads we need
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Sun 24 Aug 12:13
I think that`s what Benedictus is meant to do re: Darren Dods.
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Sun 24 Aug 14:34
It`s a massive STEP-UP from McPake but not yet the finished article.
NL had a helluva job on his hands and suspect he is not yet finished with signings.
It`s far too early for this sort of thread in my opinion. Defeat hurts, I get it but I can genuinely see the foundations are being laid for something to be built on.
DunfyDave
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