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Topic Originator: msgribbin
Date: Sun 24 Aug 00:21
So the game last night - not only unimpressive but unimpressive in fairly much the same way as under McPake or even Tidser.
No heart, no intensity, little positivity and no real clue until far too late. The game should`ve been gone by then - by luck it wasn`t but another soft goal took care of that.
Four points on the board shouldn`t paper over the cracks. Not much action in the Morton game, poor against Airdrie until a wonder goal, dreck away to Raith once again. Nothing here McPake couldn`t have achieved.
So Neil Lennon....some of the noises off are encouraging for sure, but is anyone else feeling a little bit gas-lighted ? Putting aside his reputation and plausible interviews, what has fundamentally changed here ? Yes, there are new faces and some might be promising....but how many really good performances and results have there been so far ? Is the desperation for something, anything better obscuring reality that all we have is more of the same.....
To me, it looks like yet another manager who sets up cautiously and doesn`t go out on the front foot to try and win games. The names change - although maybe not enough of them ! - but it`s still more boring, negative, toothless football. Stay in the game and try to nick something. Chase the game in too little, too late fashion if we concede. Rinse and repeat.
There are very few signs on the pitch this is going to work. It is too early to expect a finished product but there should at least be signs of a different mindset. Talking a better game doesn`t really cut it....
Mark G
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Topic Originator: Parsdaft
Date: Sun 24 Aug 07:16
Composure on the ball is lacking, Gilmour exempt. It’s not a hot potato it’s a football.
Easy pass back instead of taking player on sometimes. Take a chance, be confident.
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Topic Originator: craigypar35
Date: Sun 24 Aug 07:57
Quote:
msgribbin, Sun 24 Aug 00:21
So the game last night - not only unimpressive but unimpressive in fairly much the same way as under McPake or even Tidser.
No heart, no intensity, little positivity and no real clue until far too late. The game should`ve been gone by then - by luck it wasn`t but another soft goal took care of that.
Four points on the board shouldn`t paper over the cracks. Not much action in the Morton game, poor against Airdrie until a wonder goal, dreck away to Raith once again. Nothing here McPake couldn`t have achieved.
So Neil Lennon....some of the noises off are encouraging for sure, but is anyone else feeling a little bit gas-lighted ? Putting aside his reputation and plausible interviews, what has fundamentally changed here ? Yes, there are new faces and some might be promising....but how many really good performances and results have there been so far ? Is the desperation for something, anything better obscuring reality that all we have is more of the same.....
To me, it looks like yet another manager who sets up cautiously and doesn`t go out on the front foot to try and win games. The names change - although maybe not enough of them ! - but it`s still more boring, negative, toothless football. Stay in the game and try to nick something. Chase the game in too little, too late fashion if we concede. Rinse and repeat.
There are very few signs on the pitch this is going to work. It is too early to expect a finished product but there should at least be signs of a different mindset. Talking a better game doesn`t really cut it....
Said it during the second half and walking up Pratt Street. The jury is out on Lennon as far as I’m concerned. The first half was Tidserball with an improvement in the second half. To say we were brilliant though is mind boggling to be honest. He’s getting a bit of money and I expect him to turn us around given time but definitely feel we have a long way to go. It’s on him and nobody else that our strikers is so weak at this stage in August!
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 24 Aug 08:26
Can’t really argue with any of the ops points based on the first 3 games. 2 of 3 games have been Dunfermline nil and last season Lenny only managed something like 2 goals in the last 6 or 7 games but we put it down to the dross available, this season he’s still playing the dross in key positions and it shows and as the games go on playing these guys Lennon credibility is slowly erroded.
There are some worrying signs, a new contract for boothe rings alarm bells for those who have seen him “play” against teams even remotely physical and KRH looks like he wants to be anywhere but on that wing driving forward. He certainly hasn’t been able to get more out of Otoo either whose progress has ground to a halt and mullan looks a shadow of his former self. No idea what’s happened with young but all is not well there.
Much like the wanyama debacle next year, Lennon seems more than happy to carry passengers in the team. Where’s the heart, the passion and working hard for each other? The players should have been surrounding the ref and going mad after the challenge on Tod on Friday but we were meek and just took it. It was too easy for Raith to win every 50/50 and ball in the air.
If it wasn’t for gilmour we’d have been completely overrun and likely out of the game by half time.
It will get better though, 2 or 3 of them are surey now even for Lennon on borrowed time and we do now have quality replacements who will come in and there was encouragement in Fraser who get a bit more involved in the 2nd half and Jefferson looks a big upgrade. Hopefully a new striker and CB too.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sun 24 Aug 08:26
Three games in, one win and then we get nonsensical threads like this.
All because we got beat by the wee team.
Have a sit doon.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sun 24 Aug 08:32
Think some of you need a bit of a reality check to be honest and perhaps give a bit of a more balanced view that drenching yourself in the negative.
Challenge we have at the moment is we’ve been starting too slow, we also have one of the youngest squads who are facing into much more experienced and street wise players familiar with this league.
It’s going to take time, but there’s positives there.
Morton - we were slow to start, they had a couple of good chances first half as they were targeting J Tod.
Airdrie - they were very much on top for the first half bar the two goals at the end.
Raith - conceding so early on due to an error kicked the stuffing out of us a little bit.
Back to Morton, bar excellent saves from the keeper, we should’ve won the game, by far the better team in the second half.
Back to Airdrie, despite the pressure we go in 2-0 up and the most controlled second half I’ve seen us when defending a lead, never looked like we were going to lose.
Back to Raith, second half we were by far the better team, just lacked traction in the final third, something that is wholly recognised and has been referenced several times in interviews.
Considering we’re still a few players short, I’d consider this a good start to the season. They’ll have learnt a lot from the Raith game in particular.
People tend to expect to see instant change overnight or signs of progress each week - sometimes with young players it doesn’t work like that, there’s inconsistencies.
The players we have brought in all look positive, knowing more will come, we have a well known manager in Lennon with excellent experience who I’d never think we’d ever see here.
Commercially we’re doing well with Gamdom and needless to mention the recent third kit success.
A lot going on at the moment which is really positive, but a defeat against Raith (not unexpected given where we are in rebuild) and folk are getting ancy.
We’re third in the league, chill out, let the process run its course, the club seem to know what they’re doing.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Sun 24 Aug 08:40
I agree with Berry.
If you thought years and years and years of underperformance as a club was going to be magically fixed in one transfer window and one pre season then I`ve a bridge to sell you.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 24 Aug 08:50
Gilmour looks nailed on to be our POTY by the end of the season. He’s been quality and brings a lot of composure in midfield. Always wanting the ball.
That said, the big issue hasn’t gone away. We’ve known for years that when Kane isn’t on the pitch we simply don’t score enough. The stats have shown it season after season. We have made good progress but the goalscoring void is still there. I can`t see anyone currently in the squad hitting close to 10+ this league campaign other than kane.
The solution isn’t simple. Every club is fighting for that rare striker who can guarantee goals and stay fit. Until we address it properly, we’ll keep relying too much on Kane who will continue to cope with the demands of a season.
c'mon the pars
Post Edited (Sun 24 Aug 08:51)
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sun 24 Aug 08:56
I think there has been progress. With the age of the players we have brought in, I anticipate as the season progresses, our performances and results will improve. There is no magic wand here. It takes hard work and effort. You can judge on tge basis of one game. We were beaten by experience. Talking honestly I think Rovers could have run out by 3 or 4 goals in the end. A younger team will be up and down.and inconsistent. I expected that this season. We need a good experienced striker. That`s a needle in a haystack. We didn`t get behind the defence until Caraceres came on. That`s what we need in my view. Raith Rovers went through the middle alot and got the ball in the box at every opportunity. Good football doesn`t necessarily correlate with creating chances. It`s the ability to deliver a quality ball into the box that will yield results
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sun 24 Aug 10:14
Ref: msgribbin Sun 24 Aug 00:21
"It is too early to expect a finished product"
That`s the only bit of sense in the OP.
Some folk just get carried away, then when we get beat, it`s Oh Woe is me - the great gnashing of teeth (or teesh)
Top post from Indiapar! a consistent good poster.
And this:
Ref: buffy Sun 24 Aug 08:26
Three games in, one win and then we get nonsensical threads like this.
All because we got beat by the wee team.
Have a sit doon.
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Aye, do us all a favour - I mean harpin on wi` drivel like the McPake and Tidser days could hold a candle tae now - wake up - we`re in a whole new world. We`re on the road to recovery. Keep the heid!
Post Edited (Sun 24 Aug 10:20)
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 24 Aug 11:07
Quote:
Rusty Shackleford, Sun 24 Aug 08:40
I agree with Berry.
If you thought years and years and years of underperformance as a club was going to be magically fixed in one transfer window and one pre season then I`ve a bridge to sell you.
You got there before me.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Sun 24 Aug 11:51
I think we have progressed since last season.
We will finish higher than we did last season and with a points total significantly higher. We aren’t where we want to be yet and might not get promotion this season but I do expect us to make the playoffs.
Friday night was a car crash and I think Lenny got it wrong but it doesn’t mean our season is done and I still think Lenny is a good manager. Our inexperience showed a bit and I don’t think we were set up to give ourselves the best chance to win the game. All the subs improved us, they just came too late.
I’m hopeful lessons will be learned and we will see a different starting line up against Ross County on Saturday. I’m hopeful for at least 2 more signings to provide us with goals and experience before the window shuts too.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sun 24 Aug 11:57
Thinking about progress, I don`t think we have progressed at all since Stevie Crawford left. I think his team and squad was better than the current line up. He actually improved the players during his time here, which is something that hasn`t really happened since.
Having said that, I think we will turn things round, we have good young players with a lot of potential. We just need to get the right, experienced professionals in to control the game and talk the youngsters through it. That`s what they need to take the pressure off them. I always remember seeing Darren Dods towards the end of his career, playing for Forfar and barking orders at all the youngsters. That`s the sort of experienced heads we need
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Sun 24 Aug 12:13
I think that`s what Benedictus is meant to do re: Darren Dods.
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Sun 24 Aug 14:34
It`s a massive STEP-UP from McPake but not yet the finished article.
NL had a helluva job on his hands and suspect he is not yet finished with signings.
It`s far too early for this sort of thread in my opinion. Defeat hurts, I get it but I can genuinely see the foundations are being laid for something to be built on.
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sun 24 Aug 16:38
Never a truer word said, DunfyDave.
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Topic Originator: RossDAFC88
Date: Sun 24 Aug 18:52
The football this season has been miles ahead of the McPake or Tidser baw, far more watchable and with a clearer sense of purpose. That said, emotions always run high after a derby defeat, especially given we haven’t won there in eight years. I said before the match I’d have taken a draw, particularly considering how poor we were on the road last season.
Still, I genuinely see the foundations of something solid being built. We’ve got a squad now, with real options. The priority remains adding another striker and defender to round things out. Based on Friday’s showing, I reckon Hosler will be dropped for Kearney, and either Otoo or Boothe will make way for Amade. Kane should come back in for the County game, though we all know he’s not someone we can rely on week in, week out. Young would benefit from a consistent run alongside him.
Like every club in Britain, we’re chasing a striker who can score goals. Even the Old Firm are struggling to bring one in. But I’m confident we’ll get someone in before the window shuts. From what I’ve heard, from a friend with close ties to the club, they’ve been working flat out to land a striker. Some of the names they’ve approached are wild, but it shows ambition and that we’ve got the financial muscle to make a move.
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Sun 24 Aug 20:32
it only shows ambition if any of those names whoever they are sign, if not then they have been chasing the wrong ones. can have all the money you want but you need to be smart with it.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 24 Aug 20:40
First half on Friday was a shambles but I don`t put all the blame on the players. We should`ve had two up front. Clearly Kane isn`t fully fit yet otherwise it would have been more a 3-5-2 to start. It didn`t help Andrew Tod getting injured so early either. I know he wasn`t at his best but he`s shown himself to be a bit like his father and get his head on a ball in the box.
This is a much better looking squad with more depth in most areas too. The one area lacking depth is STRIKER!
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Sun 24 Aug 22:04
Quote:
jake89, Sun 24 Aug 20:40
First half on Friday was a shambles but I don`t put all the blame on the players. We should`ve had two up front. Clearly Kane isn`t fully fit yet otherwise it would have been more a 3-5-2 to start. It didn`t help Andrew Tod getting injured so early either. I know he wasn`t at his best but he`s shown himself to be a bit like his father and get his head on a ball in the box.
This is a much better looking squad with more depth in most areas too. The one area lacking depth is STRIKER!
^^^ Jake nails it 👍
Other areas do lack BUT a STRIKER is key crucial.
We created chances in the 2nd half but experience and maturity let us down. This needs addressed and NL is on record as confirming his desire for a good striker.
The young strikers we have will come good, especially if an experienced striker is signed to play alongside them
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Mon 25 Aug 00:13
Three games in. One win, one draw, one defeat, out of one home game an two away games. Third top of the league and some of the "usual suspects" have chucked it already. I thought we were working on a 2/3 year plan of improvement. Try and keep the heid for a game or two more. Ross County at home next up. Not beyond belief that we might actually win that one. Our first two league games were very encouraging and a definite improvement on last season. OK, the Raith game was disappointing but do try and hold off the greetin` faces for a game or two more.
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Mon 25 Aug 11:41
Quote:
jake89, Sun 24 Aug 20:40
First half on Friday was a shambles but I don`t put all the blame on the players. We should`ve had two up front. Clearly Kane isn`t fully fit yet otherwise it would have been more a 3-5-2 to start. It didn`t help Andrew Tod getting injured so early either. I know he wasn`t at his best but he`s shown himself to be a bit like his father and get his head on a ball in the box.
This is a much better looking squad with more depth in most areas too. The one area lacking depth is STRIKER!
I’m sure we started with 3-5-2, with A Tod and Young up front, like we’ve done in every other league match so far? Lennon and Tod have both acknowledged that Tod’s been playing as a striker in their interviews as well. Even when he went off, Cooper came on and played beside Young. Again, not his natural position, but at least we tried to play 2 up front.
Lack of natural striking options without Kane is clearly an issue, as is Kane’s (lack of) availability for selection. But Lennon has also been very clear about the need for strikers, so I don’t doubt they’re trying to address this.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 25 Aug 12:06
Definitely acknowledge we need a striker but it`s a struggle.
It looked to me like Cooper was playing behind Young in more of an attacking mid role. For a team like Raith I suspect 4 at the back would`ve made more sense. We overloaded the midfield but it just resulted in a load of players kicking the ball up the pitch aimlessly or doing some heading ping pong. The shape completely went.
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Mon 25 Aug 16:14
We have definitely made progress, but we will need another couple of transfer windows to get the squad in place to challenge for the title. I don’t doubt the club have been at it trying to get a striker onboard. I don’t see us making the playoffs but we should be well clear of relegation.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Mon 25 Aug 16:40
Quote:
Bannockburn Par, Mon 25 Aug 16:14
We have definitely made progress, but we will need another couple of transfer windows to get the squad in place to challenge for the title. I don’t doubt the club have been at it trying to get a striker onboard. I don’t see us making the playoffs but we should be well clear of relegation.
I agree, BBP. I’ve got us around 6th. We’ve got a good enough base, but not quite enough to break into the top 4. Gilmour will be the best signing we’ve made in recent years, but we still lack a real cutting edge up top, which was highlighted again on Friday. Finishing 6th wouldn’t be a bad result if we can work on bringing in a replacement or someone to support Kane up front.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Mon 25 Aug 16:41
You’ve had mare here still time to delete it and save a wee but face though
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Mon 25 Aug 16:50
I think we will make a signing or two before the window shuts. At least one of them will be a striker. We will make the playoffs. Also we will have a January window to come where we will likely strengthen again.
I think without any more signings we will be 5th or 6th.
We will be higher than last year and our points total will be better.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Mon 25 Aug 16:54
We are a better side than last year with far fewer loans most of which didn`t really work out. I think the squad is stronger in depth. St Johnstone are going to be the clear favourites this season. The rest is up for grabs. Getting in a striker will put us in the mix for 2nd or 3rd
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: RhinoPars
Date: Mon 25 Aug 21:37
Agree with India - there is no illusion . We are a much better team and have a much better squad with much improved management. Still work in progress but much to be happy about.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 25 Aug 22:50
Either a complete wet wipe or a troll 🤣
Neil Lennon is doing fine. Squads better, we’re better organised, we’re just lacking goals.
COYP
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Mon 25 Aug 23:06
These threads are always started by folk who only write the first post.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Tue 26 Aug 00:59
The OP`s title, `msgribbin` looks phoney. Looks like an anagram. Could be `Miss ribbing` - someone having a laugh - or `Mr big nibs`, maybe a Rovers fan - well there`s bound to be the odd jealous one among us.
Post Edited (Tue 26 Aug 01:00)
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Topic Originator: ubisanman
Date: Tue 26 Aug 06:47
Quote:
onandupthepars, Tue 26 Aug 00:59
The OP`s title, `msgribbin` looks phoney. Looks like an anagram. Could be `Miss ribbing` - someone having a laugh - or `Mr big nibs`, maybe a Rovers fan - well there`s bound to be the odd jealous one among us.
It`s easy to find all previous posts from a member and Tbf, Msgribbin has posted 17 times and in general appears to be fairly positive about things. Definitely not a Rovers fan!
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Tue 26 Aug 10:00
Ref: ubisanman Tue 26 Aug 06:47
"Msgribbin has posted 17 times and in general appears to be fairly positive about things. Definitely not a Rovers fan!"
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Whether or not msgribbin is fairly positive in previous posts is debatable. Opinions about those previous posts are irrelevant to this thread. The opening post is nothing like `fairly positive.` More like extremely negative. So what has happened to msgribbin? Can he/she get out of the trench of negativity?
Post Edited (Tue 26 Aug 10:27)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 26 Aug 13:35
We are a lot better under Lennon than the previous 2 managers, we still just lack that cutting edge in the final 3rd.
I think thats more down to personnel rather than tactics etc., had Kane been fit, we may have scored more.
He does need to get the new lads in from the start though - the game changed in our favour when Kearney and Amade came on, until we fell asleep for their 2nd.
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Topic Originator: msgribbin
Date: Tue 26 Aug 15:07
I was away having a `sit doon` as instructed......
Folk here seem awfully sensitive to other opinions ! All this positive or negative stuff is a little bit tedious really. Was just calling it as I saw it, not interested in whatever labels people want to use.
But a couple of folk did actually respond to the thrust of what I said, which was that I`d expect to see more signs of progress on the field by now - in particular more fight and a more positive mindset. To my eyes, there`s little evidence yet of either and any improvements seem honestly pretty marginal. Yes it`s a process and yes it`ll take time - can`t see what`s wrong with monitoring progress as we go along and pointing out where that`s less than you might expect. To me the football remains bluntly poor, without any real improvement. More positive attitude and tactics can make a big difference and neither are yet apparent to me. However some other posters do think there are good signs on the pitch, a better structure to the team. I don`t really agree but that`s a fair perspective. Let`s hope they`re proven right and I`m not.
As for the rest, supporting the club is really not incompatible with speaking honestly about concerns you have. No-one has to agree but the name-calling`s really not a great look.
Mark G
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Tue 26 Aug 15:16
Quote:
msgribbin, Tue 26 Aug 15:07
I was away having a `sit doon` as instructed......
Folk here seem awfully sensitive to other opinions ! All this positive or negative stuff is a little bit tedious really. Was just calling it as I saw it, not interested in whatever labels people want to use.
But a couple of folk did actually respond to the thrust of what I said, which was that I`d expect to see more signs of progress on the field by now - in particular more fight and a more positive mindset. To my eyes, there`s little evidence yet of either and any improvements seem honestly pretty marginal. Yes it`s a process and yes it`ll take time - can`t see what`s wrong with monitoring progress as we go along and pointing out where that`s less than you might expect. To me the football remains bluntly poor, without any real improvement. More positive attitude and tactics can make a big difference and neither are yet apparent to me. However some other posters do think there are good signs on the pitch, a better structure to the team. I don`t really agree but that`s a fair perspective. Let`s hope they`re proven right and I`m not.
As for the rest, supporting the club is really not incompatible with speaking honestly about concerns you have. No-one has to agree but the name-calling`s really not a great look.
No worries about your opinion. We all see it differently.
I’ve seen definite signs of improvement as far as being able to change our system to a more attacking style when required and while we never troubled Raith it was still night and day from the last match there which was probably the worst I’ve seen in recent memory.
Having a strong bench is going to be a key factor this season as well.
This season I feel the fans have more expectation
Last season was purely hope (and mostly despair)
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Tue 26 Aug 15:25
I think the central issue is perhaps tge lack of a striking threat that gives the illusion there is A lack of effort. You need to be able to put pressure on the opposition in the final third. Tgat hasn`t been happening so the ball comes straight back at the midfield and defence
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Tue 26 Aug 19:05
Ref: msgribbin Tue 26 Aug 15:07
msgribbin is defending his opinions.
He thinks his opinions are unbiased - in the manner of observations, and that he`s just "calling it as I saw it." Of course they`re not observations, they`re what goes on inside his head.
He thinks that to describe his opinions as negative, is just a label and unjustified.
In his statement: "still more boring, negative, toothless football... Rinse and repeat," he used the word `negative` himself, so he seems to know what it means, and that it is descriptive rather than the idea he tries to BS us with, that it`s a label.
He finds "all this positive and negative stuff a bit tedious." Which begs the question, why did he post such a wad of negative stuff? msgribbin thinks he should not be subjected to any criticism, because in his opinion what he posts is not negative, but him "speaking honestly about concerns" he has (/ more BS.)
It doesn`t concern him that he comes across as if he supports a different club. It doesn`t concern him that he alone sees the idea of progress at DAFC since the days of McPake and Tidser, as an illusion. It doesn`t concern him that his opinions of our club come across as little short of scornful of management and players.
Illusion of progress? or delusions of msgribbin?
Post Edited (Tue 26 Aug 20:43)
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