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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Wed 19 Nov 13:02
Now that we`ve qualified for the World Cup do you think there`ll be many players, perhaps on the fringes of the England squad, who suddenly discover that they have a Scottish granny?
People like Harvey Barnes for example (using him as an example because I think he`s eligible for Scotland, but has shown no indication of wanting to play for Scotland). Clearly a level above some players in the squad...but would you drop someone from the squad that qualified to make room for him?
Thoughts? Are there any players you`d accept if they discovered a Scottish Granny, and would be eligible to play for us?
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Topic Originator: Bucuresti Par
Date: Wed 19 Nov 15:40
If a player has been approached before and turned us down, then they can ram it. If they haven`t and they show a desire and commitment to play for us for a long time then I have no issue with it, almost every country has at least a player born outside their border. A case by case basis for me, up to the management.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Wed 19 Nov 15:40
they may make a claim but we know 1 thing...clarke is loyal to the players that have got him success.
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Topic Originator: BlackLight
Date: Wed 19 Nov 16:10
There is an interesting question.
How loyal should SC be to the guys that got us to the World Cup. For me he has to pick the best squad, not the last squad.
Also, taking some younger players helps to build experience for future success.
There shouldn`t be anyone in the current squad that`s guaranteed a ticket, but I think SC is likely to be too loyal.
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Topic Originator: Turps
Date: Wed 19 Nov 16:14
Who`s coming through playing regularly who is better than anyone in the current squad?
I can`t think of many.
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Topic Originator: Zimbo
Date: Wed 19 Nov 16:15
Andy Tod.
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Wed 19 Nov 16:20
Quote:
Bandy, Wed 19 Nov 13:02
Now that we`ve qualified for the World Cup do you think there`ll be many players, perhaps on the fringes of the England squad, who suddenly discover that they have a Scottish granny?
People like Harvey Barnes for example (using him as an example because I think he`s eligible for Scotland, but has shown no indication of wanting to play for Scotland). Clearly a level above some players in the squad...but would you drop someone from the squad that qualified to make room for him?
Thoughts? Are there any players you`d accept if they discovered a Scottish Granny, and would be eligible to play for us?
Harvey Barnes was the player I immediately thought of. He has one full England cap from 2020 so I’m not sure how that impacts the situation. It’s contentious the granny issue and I’m not entirely sure where I stand on it especially as the likes of Barnes has turned us down once already. However, the thought of Doak on the right and Barnes on the left of one of our strikers really changes the potency and the dynamic of the whole team and would undoubtedly improve our qualification prospects.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Wed 19 Nov 16:33
Goalkeeper would be the 1 position id be urging folk to check birth certificates and family trees for eligibility
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Topic Originator: Stanza
Date: Wed 19 Nov 16:54
I could be wrong, but I think it was Ian McLauchlan (Mighty Mouse) who said, after one of the Scotland Rugby team`s regular defeats:
"The last thing you want to be in a losing team is old."
And that is my concern about this Scotland squad. Undoubtedly they will run through brick walls for each other and for the manager, but several are already over 30, and against younger players the North American summer heat just may prove a bridge too far (mixing my metaphors).
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 19 Nov 16:54
If you have English and Scottish parents, how do you choose a nation to play for?
He might feel equally both, but If he was raised in England with English peers, that could tip the balance.
So he has a choice who to play for.
What sportsman doesn`t want to play at the highest level and hope to win tournaments?
Scotland have been very poor for a long time. I don`t think we can blame him for choosing the better prospect.
Judging him is more about our patriotism than his loyalty. His patriotism is understandably divided.
I have no problem with the best players available being selected under these circumstances.
Post Edited (Wed 19 Nov 16:55)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 19 Nov 17:18
Scott McTominay is an interesting one. He was born and brought up in Lancashire. His father is Scottish and Scott wanted to play for Scotland from a young age. I think he visited his Scottish grandparents a lot in his school holidays which maybe helped. When Alex McLeish was Scotland manager he travelled to Man Utd`s training ground to speak to him whilst Gareth Southgate only contacted him by text apparently.
Angus Gunn`s another of the current squad who could have played for England and I think he dallied about committing to Scotland until it was clear he had no chance of an England cap. Being professionals, I`m sure that all that is forgotten when they pull on the shirt and they just want to win.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Wed 19 Nov 17:37
Harvey Barnes`s only England cap was in a friendly v Wales, so I think he`s still eligible for Scotland should he want to be.
Personally, I think he`d be a great addition to the squad - and I`d certainly call him up for pre-tournament friendlies (if he was willing), but I get the argument that the vast majority of the current squad have earned the right to go to the WC.
Just to be clear the question is purely hypothetical - I`ve no idea if Barnes wants to play for us or not.
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Wed 19 Nov 18:13
No way should Barnes be on the radar now. He`s had his chance, and he turned us down, end off.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Wed 19 Nov 18:52
Gannon-Doak is our only really creative player. I`d make a special exception for Barnes, but he`d have to really want it.
It`s highly unlikely that Clarke picks anyone between now and the world cup who hasn`t already been capped.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Wed 19 Nov 19:07
Apart from the grandson of God, obviously.
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Wed 19 Nov 19:09
Barnes has Saka, Rashford, Eze, Foden and Bowen in front of him from the last squad. Add Grealish and Gordon to the mix and it’s clear he’s not getting near the England squad.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 19 Nov 22:59
See the Sun are picking up on the Harvey Barnes story.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Wed 19 Nov 23:11
In terms of lifting the overall level of the squad - Havey Barnes would certainly do that.
Our midfield is still very competitive however we’re short of GK, CB and strikers.
As someone said Barnes would be a good player to have on the left. I don’t think adding him to the squad detracts from the rest of the squad. A small number of additions would be great but wholesale changes would not. I do think it’s o my likely we could add one or two anyway.
COYP
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 19 Nov 23:17
Harvey Barnes had his chance, wasn`t interested. Clarke left the door open for him to get in touch if he was interested. Personally, I`d say we are lucky to have a pool of players who really enjoy being part of the national set up. They are a tight knit, loyal bunch. There is no point jeopardising the togetherness of the squad to bring in people that are only interested now they get a chance on the world stage
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Wed 19 Nov 23:36
Quote:
red-star-par, Wed 19 Nov 23:17
Harvey Barnes had his chance, wasn`t interested. Clarke left the door open for him to get in touch if he was interested. Personally, I`d say we are lucky to have a pool of players who really enjoy being part of the national set up. They are a tight knit, loyal bunch. There is no point jeopardising the togetherness of the squad to bring in people that are only interested now they get a chance on the world stage
I agree with you, but Clarke has gone back in the past. Angus Gunn played for England at every level from u16 to u21, I think he also played for England schoolboys. He turned Clarke down a couple of times before it was clear he wouldn’t feature for England. We welcomed him with open arms. I think if Barnes gave the slightest indication that he’d changed his mind Clarke would have him in an instant. Would that decision have an effect on the existing squad is up for debate.
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Thu 20 Nov 07:44
Che Adams turned Scotland down and then changed his mind when we went to Euro 2020.
Barnes wouldn`t be the first and won`t be the last. We don`t exactly have a conveyor belt of talent coming through, so I would take him to the World cup if possible. He`s in great form just now too.
Post Edited (Thu 20 Nov 07:45)
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Topic Originator: rikaka
Date: Thu 20 Nov 07:45
You`d be stupid to cut your nose off to spite your face.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 20 Nov 10:28
You have to factor some players in to cover for injuries, still only half way through a season.
How long was Hickey, Craig Gordon out for?
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Thu 20 Nov 21:51
Quote:
Bertie Paton, Thu 20 Nov 07:44
Che Adams turned Scotland down and then changed his mind when we went to Euro 2020.
I think it`s a bit different when someone only changes their mind in time for the tournament itself and plays no part in qualification. Adams played in WC and then euro qualifiers before getting to a tournament.
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Thu 20 Nov 22:09
Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Thu 20 Nov 21:51
Quote:
Bertie Paton, Thu 20 Nov 07:44
Che Adams turned Scotland down and then changed his mind when we went to Euro 2020.
I think it`s a bit different when someone only changes their mind in time for the tournament itself and plays no part in qualification. Adams played in WC and then euro qualifiers before getting to a tournament.
You`re wrong there fcda- He commited to Scotland in March 2021 and was in the Euro 2020 Squad in(played in 2021 due to Covid) June 2021. He didn`t play two qualifier campaigns before then.
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Topic Originator: BlackLight
Date: Thu 20 Nov 22:21
We should consider every possible player who won`t disrupt the team spirit that this squad has developed over time.
I`d rather take people from the u21s than some random bloke from Basingstoke, but SC would be mad to rule anyone out. One of the unforeseen benefits of early qualification is that someone that may not have been on the radar before may now see a path to the World Cup. That`s valuable.
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Sat 22 Nov 18:53
Quote:
Big T Par, Wed 19 Nov 18:13
No way should Barnes be on the radar now. He`s had his chance, and he turned us down, end off.
I`ve changed ma mind, Get him in
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Topic Originator: 13en
Date: Sat 22 Nov 18:54
Quote:
Big T Par, Sat 22 Nov 18:53
Quote:
Big T Par, Wed 19 Nov 18:13
No way should Barnes be on the radar now. He`s had his chance, and he turned us down, end off.
I`ve changed ma mind, Get him in
Great finish get him in😂
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Sat 22 Nov 18:59
Harvey McBarnes come and join us
Post Edited (Sat 22 Nov 18:59)
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sat 22 Nov 19:07
Get on the phone Steve
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sun 23 Nov 09:05
Brøndby centre back Luis Binks in the papers yesterday saying (not for the first time) that he`s keen.
Played for England and Scotland at various age group levels.
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Topic Originator: Athletico
Date: Sun 23 Nov 09:13
Quote:
Jeffery, Sun 23 Nov 09:05
Brøndby centre back Luis Binks in the papers yesterday saying (not for the first time) that he`s keen.
Played for England and Scotland at various age group levels.
Surprised he`s never been called up before, because he`s played at a decent level for a good few years. A number of appearances at Bologna, Como and Coventry. Still only 24 as well.
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Topic Originator: Higgys Mohawk
Date: Sun 23 Nov 09:31
Harvey Barnes would be a great addition to the squad. Thought at one time he’d go on to play for England but he’s just fallen short so far.
Barnes off the left and Doak on the right would be far more exciting to watch.
Barnes is a player who can make things happen. We’d be mental not to take him if he was keen.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Sun 23 Nov 09:55
Given we`re chronically short at centre half, Binks might be worth a look, but I know nothing about him.
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Topic Originator: MinnesotaAndy
Date: Sun 23 Nov 12:57
Taking a couple of players from the U21s would be my preference.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 23 Nov 15:31
England getting a whiff of the interest, think they might call him up just for spite?
They`re raving about his performance last night!
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