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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sat 24 Jan 20:46
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c87r5y70r82o
A German Football Association (DFB) official has said it is time to consider a boycott of the 2026 World Cup in the wake of United States President Donald Trump`s actions.
The US will host world football`s showpiece event this summer, along with Canada and Mexico.
President Trump caused outrage among European leaders earlier this month by threatening to acquire Greenland, which is controlled by Denmark.
The 79-year-old threatened to impose tariffs on eight European countries - including Germany - who opposed his plan.
Trump has since rowed back on that threat, but tensions between European leaders and the US government remain high.
Post Edited (Sat 24 Jan 20:46https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c87r5y70r82o
A German Football Association (DFB) official has said it is time to consider a boycott of the 2026 World Cup in the wake of United States President Donald Trump`s actions.
The US will host world football`s showpiece event this summer, along with Canada and Mexico.
President Trump caused outrage among European leaders earlier this month by threatening to acquire Greenland, which is controlled by Denmark.
The 79-year-old threatened to impose tariffs on eight European countries - including Germany - who opposed his plan.
Trump has since rowed back on that threat, but tensions between European leaders and the US government remain high.
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Sat 24 Jan 23:58
Agreed, boycott and move elsewhere, Europe could take it easily
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Sun 25 Jan 00:40
I`d be more worried about the ICE fckers, than tariffs. The basturts are out of control.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Jan 00:53
Crime rates dropping significantly and consistently since the ICE raids started. Particularly violent, s*xual and homicidal crimes.
Doesn’t mean ICE raids are the sole reason for it but it’s hard not to link the two when you look at the time frames.
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Sun 25 Jan 00:59
Just a shame that they`re murdering folk on the streets and getting away with it, eh.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Jan 01:32
Do you mean the woman in the car? The one that’s currently under investigation? Or the one that’s just happened so there’s no been time for an investigation?
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Topic Originator: Jock Par36
Date: Sun 25 Jan 06:15
I think because of all the idiots in the USA that the
World cup should be moved away from Trumpland.
All European teams should refuse to go.
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Sun 25 Jan 08:00
The USA is turning into a dystopian hellhole. Scotland have been boycotting world cups for decades. I’d be happy for them to do so again.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 25 Jan 08:17
If Fifa had any integrity they`d move the cup away from Trumpnamistan, unfortunately Fifa will just suck harder and gargle.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 25 Jan 08:19
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 01:32
Do you mean the woman in the car? The one that’s currently under investigation? Or the one that’s just happened so there’s no been time for an investigation?
Watched the videos of the one yesterday - its cold blooded murder after they have pepper sprayed him, pistol whipped him then removed his holstered legally owned fire arm. 2 shots put him down, then one agent empties an entire magazine into his motionless body.
Also, Infantino is more corrupt than Blatter and deep in Trumps pocket - not a chance they move the World Cup away from the US. His “joke” regarding British football fans in Qatar was classless as well.
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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Sun 25 Jan 08:27
Has to be moved or boycotted, Trump is a lunatic, not of sound mind
The world needs to stand up to him before any more damage is done
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Sun 25 Jan 09:01
There is absolutely zero chance of the WC being moved. Not least because bribery charges in the FIFA corruption investigation were dropped just days after President Donald Trump was awarded the inaugural FIFA Peace Prize. Move the WC & I would bet those charges are reopened and the investigation super charged.
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Sun 25 Jan 09:08
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 01:32
Do you mean the woman in the car? The one that’s currently under investigation? Or the one that’s just happened so there’s no been time for an investigation?
Both. No need for an investigation. The footage for both, tells you the truth.. Murdering cnts
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sun 25 Jan 09:14
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 01:32
Do you mean the woman in the car? The one that’s currently under investigation? Or the one that’s just happened so there’s no been time for an investigation?
Are all three the ones where the government folks are coming out and saying all actions are lawful before the investigations have even taken place?
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 25 Jan 09:15
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 00:53
Crime rates dropping significantly and consistently since the ICE raids started. Particularly violent, s*xual and homicidal crimes.
Doesn’t mean ICE raids are the sole reason for it but it’s hard not to link the two when you look at the time frames.
Recorded crime rates.
Doesn`t include those committed by the gestapo.
In truth violent crime kidnap, murder, assault etc are through the roof.
Don`t forget the fishing boats.
Corruption through the roof.
Just take a look at what is going on and try saying life in Trumperica has improved.
Of course some crimes will be down with the streets flooded with thousands of gestapo enforcers and regular police.
Strange thing is republican states with much higher crime rates are not targeted.
Oh wait a minute nothing strange about it.
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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Sun 25 Jan 09:18
P so there is evidence of corruption there too ?
as I say, world needs to stand up now
however, I understand that people have booked tickets, flights and accommodation and that is nore of a serious problem as you don`t want them to lose that money. but if Trump is making threats, then the rest of teh world should look at threatening him too.
on the bright side, he is not likely to be in power by the time kick-off comes .o))))
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 25 Jan 09:18
Quote:
brian, Sun 25 Jan 08:27
Has to be moved or boycotted, Trump is a lunatic, not of sound mind
The world needs to stand up to him before any more damage is done
Trump is just the voice of the beast.
Vance and Miller lead the 4th Reich.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 25 Jan 09:21
Quote:
brian, Sun 25 Jan 09:18
P so there is evidence of corruption there too ?
as I say, world needs to stand up now
however, I understand that people have booked tickets, flights and accommodation and that is nore of a serious problem as you don`t want them to lose that money. but if Trump is making threats, then the rest of teh world should look at threatening him too.
on the bright side, he is not likely to be in power by the time kick-off comes .o))))
He is planning on declaring a national emergency and cancelling midterm.
He will not give up power. He and Vance and Miller must be removed by any means.
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Sun 25 Jan 09:31
It won’t get moved, and the countries saying they might boycott will be there anyway. It’s nothing more than a political chess move.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Jan 10:11
Quote:
Big T Par, Sun 25 Jan 09:08
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 01:32
Do you mean the woman in the car? The one that’s currently under investigation? Or the one that’s just happened so there’s no been time for an investigation?
Both. No need for an investigation. The footage for both, tells you the truth.. Murdering cnts
Thankfully we’ve got jury trials and investigations in the western world eh! Otherwise it would be a step backwards towards the 3rd Reich or USSR… both as bad as each other. Pick what one you like!
Here’s an American lawyer breaking down the incident.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDda-L_ZOE8
Here he is comparing Renee Good and Ashli Babbitt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNHiCjwM9tg
If Links don’t work it’s Nate the Lawyer on YouTube. I like him because he’s very objective and doesn’t let his politics or preconceptions get in his way.
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Sun 25 Jan 10:16
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 10:11
Quote:
Big T Par, Sun 25 Jan 09:08
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 01:32
Do you mean the woman in the car? The one that’s currently under investigation? Or the one that’s just happened so there’s no been time for an investigation?
Both. No need for an investigation. The footage for both, tells you the truth.. Murdering cnts
Thankfully we’ve got jury trials and investigations in the western world eh! Otherwise it would be a step backwards towards the 3rd Reich or USSR… both as bad as each other. Pick what one you like!
Here’s an American lawyer breaking down the incident.
https://youtu.be/bDda-L_ZOE8?si=3hw8enOcuj_2sSnm
Here he is comparing Renee Good and Ashli Babbitt
https://youtu.be/UNHiCjwM9tg?si=DeTfvHCrcrx_bjPp
If Links don’t work it’s Nate the Lawyer on YouTube. I like him because he’s very objective and doesn’t let his politics or preconceptions get in his way.
The actual footage.
https://x.com/i/status/2015168034122748031
Post Edited (Sun 25 Jan 10:47)
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Jan 10:21
Quote:
PARrot, Sun 25 Jan 09:21
Quote:
brian, Sun 25 Jan 09:18
P so there is evidence of corruption there too ?
as I say, world needs to stand up now
however, I understand that people have booked tickets, flights and accommodation and that is nore of a serious problem as you don`t want them to lose that money. but if Trump is making threats, then the rest of teh world should look at threatening him too.
on the bright side, he is not likely to be in power by the time kick-off comes .o))))
He is planning on declaring a national emergency and cancelling midterm.
He will not give up power. He and Vance and Miller must be removed by any means.
‘Legal experts and analyses emphasize that the U.S. Constitution does not grant the president authority to unilaterally cancel federal elections, as they are administered by states and Congress sets the dates. Any attempt to do so via emergency powers would face significant legal challenges and likely be ruled unconstitutional.’
Doesn’t matter what Trump says. He’s not got the power to do it (typical of Trump actually 🤷🏻♂️)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 25 Jan 10:24
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 10:21
Quote:
PARrot, Sun 25 Jan 09:21
Quote:
brian, Sun 25 Jan 09:18
P so there is evidence of corruption there too ?
as I say, world needs to stand up now
however, I understand that people have booked tickets, flights and accommodation and that is nore of a serious problem as you don`t want them to lose that money. but if Trump is making threats, then the rest of teh world should look at threatening him too.
on the bright side, he is not likely to be in power by the time kick-off comes .o))))
He is planning on declaring a national emergency and cancelling midterm.
He will not give up power. He and Vance and Miller must be removed by any means.
‘Legal experts and analyses emphasize that the U.S. Constitution does not grant the president authority to unilaterally cancel federal elections, as they are administered by states and Congress sets the dates. Any attempt to do so via emergency powers would face significant legal challenges and likely be ruled unconstitutional.’
Doesn’t matter what Trump says. He’s not got the power to do it (typical of Trump actually 🤷🏻♂️)
The entire premise of ICE is unconstitutional….yet continues to cause utter carnage.
And to think folk will vote for Farage here because he wants to introduce ICE here….
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 25 Jan 10:25
I wasn`t going anyway, but I feel sorry for people who have already spent thousands on tickets and accommodation. Couldn`t pay me to visit the US under that clown.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Jan 11:16
Quote:
Big T Par, Sun 25 Jan 10:16
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 10:11
Quote:
Big T Par, Sun 25 Jan 09:08
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 01:32
Do you mean the woman in the car? The one that’s currently under investigation? Or the one that’s just happened so there’s no been time for an investigation?
Both. No need for an investigation. The footage for both, tells you the truth.. Murdering cnts
Thankfully we’ve got jury trials and investigations in the western world eh! Otherwise it would be a step backwards towards the 3rd Reich or USSR… both as bad as each other. Pick what one you like!
Here’s an American lawyer breaking down the incident.
https://youtu.be/bDda-L_ZOE8?si=3hw8enOcuj_2sSnm
Here he is comparing Renee Good and Ashli Babbitt
https://youtu.be/UNHiCjwM9tg?si=DeTfvHCrcrx_bjPp
If Links don’t work it’s Nate the Lawyer on YouTube. I like him because he’s very objective and doesn’t let his politics or preconceptions get in his way.
The actual footage.
https://x.com/i/status/2015168034122748031
You’ve just posted links to an edited video from an account that claims to be in Beijing and has a banner showing Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin, Friedrich Engels and Joseph Stalin.
The first question I would ask before looking at any of the content from that account is, do I think this account is going to be honest, impartial and objective? My answer would be no.
The UNEDITED video is there for people to see. They’re adult enough to come to their own conclusions.
Since you’ve skipped over the one that’s being investigated and are bringing up edited videos of the one that’s just happened and obviously hasn’t been investigated yet, I can only conclude that your claim that “they’re getting away with it” isn’t something I can take seriously 🤷🏻♂️
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Jan 11:28
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sun 25 Jan 10:24
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 10:21
Quote:
PARrot, Sun 25 Jan 09:21
Quote:
brian, Sun 25 Jan 09:18
P so there is evidence of corruption there too ?
as I say, world needs to stand up now
however, I understand that people have booked tickets, flights and accommodation and that is nore of a serious problem as you don`t want them to lose that money. but if Trump is making threats, then the rest of teh world should look at threatening him too.
on the bright side, he is not likely to be in power by the time kick-off comes .o))))
He is planning on declaring a national emergency and cancelling midterm.
He will not give up power. He and Vance and Miller must be removed by any means.
‘Legal experts and analyses emphasize that the U.S. Constitution does not grant the president authority to unilaterally cancel federal elections, as they are administered by states and Congress sets the dates. Any attempt to do so via emergency powers would face significant legal challenges and likely be ruled unconstitutional.’
Doesn’t matter what Trump says. He’s not got the power to do it (typical of Trump actually 🤷🏻♂️)
The entire premise of ICE is unconstitutional….yet continues to cause utter carnage.
And to think folk will vote for Farage here because he wants to introduce ICE here….
Just asked ChatGPT “is the premise of ICE unconstitutional?”
The short answer is: no — the existence and basic authority of ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) is not unconstitutional, because it was created by Congress under its constitutional powers over immigration and national security. However, many specific ICE policies and actions have been challenged as unconstitutional, depending on how they’re carried out.
Asked Grok the same question
No, the premise of ICE—meaning the foundational purpose and existence of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement as a federal agency responsible for enforcing immigration laws—is not unconstitutional. The U.S. Constitution grants Congress broad authority to regulate immigration and naturalization under Article I, Section 8, and the executive branch has the power to enforce those laws. ICE was established by the Homeland Security Act of 2002 as part of the Department of Homeland Security, reorganizing functions previously handled by agencies like the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS). This legislative creation has not been broadly ruled unconstitutional by courts, and the federal government’s plenary power over immigration has been upheld in numerous Supreme Court decisions, such as in Chae Chan Ping v. United States (1889) and Kleindienst v. Mandel (1972).
We already have the immigration enforcement (IE) which works under the home office banner and was established in 2012.
It’s not a public fronted organisation so it’s not well known but it is there. They’re the folk that are there to try and pick up people who get passed the border force or UK Border agency.
I don’t think they’re doing a particularly good job but I wouldn’t be surprised if like the police, they’re horribly underfunded.
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Sun 25 Jan 11:41
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 11:28
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sun 25 Jan 10:24
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 10:21
Quote:
PARrot, Sun 25 Jan 09:21
Quote:
brian, Sun 25 Jan 09:18
P so there is evidence of corruption there too ?
as I say, world needs to stand up now
however, I understand that people have booked tickets, flights and accommodation and that is nore of a serious problem as you don`t want them to lose that money. but if Trump is making threats, then the rest of teh world should look at threatening him too.
on the bright side, he is not likely to be in power by the time kick-off comes .o))))
He is planning on declaring a national emergency and cancelling midterm.
He will not give up power. He and Vance and Miller must be removed by any means.
‘Legal experts and analyses emphasize that the U.S. Constitution does not grant the president authority to unilaterally cancel federal elections, as they are administered by states and Congress sets the dates. Any attempt to do so via emergency powers would face significant legal challenges and likely be ruled unconstitutional.’
Doesn’t matter what Trump says. He’s not got the power to do it (typical of Trump actually 🤷🏻♂️)
The entire premise of ICE is unconstitutional….yet continues to cause utter carnage.
And to think folk will vote for Farage here because he wants to introduce ICE here….
Just asked ChatGPT “is the premise of ICE unconstitutional?”
The short answer is: no — the existence and basic authority of ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) is not unconstitutional, because it was created by Congress under its constitutional powers over immigration and national security. However, many specific ICE policies and actions have been challenged as unconstitutional, depending on how they’re carried out.
Asked Grok the same question
No, the premise of ICE—meaning the foundational purpose and existence of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement as a federal agency responsible for enforcing immigration laws—is not unconstitutional. The U.S. Constitution grants Congress broad authority to regulate immigration and naturalization under Article I, Section 8, and the executive branch has the power to enforce those laws. ICE was established by the Homeland Security Act of 2002 as part of the Department of Homeland Security, reorganizing functions previously handled by agencies like the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS). This legislative creation has not been broadly ruled unconstitutional by courts, and the federal government’s plenary power over immigration has been upheld in numerous Supreme Court decisions, such as in Chae Chan Ping v. United States (1889) and Kleindienst v. Mandel (1972).
We already have the immigration enforcement (IE) which works under the home office banner and was established in 2012.
It’s not a public fronted organisation so it’s not well known but it is there. They’re the folk that are there to try and pick up people who get passed the border force or UK Border agency.
I don’t think they’re doing a particularly good job but I wouldn’t be surprised if like the police, they’re horribly underfunded.
Post a link to the "unedited" version then, please
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 25 Jan 12:00
Since you are so keen to dismiss the inconvenient video evidence (which was posted by a number of other sources but is being systematically deleted all over the internet), can I ask what fantasy you could concoct that would make what happened a reasonable action by anyone, least of all secretive government agents?
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 25 Jan 12:28
Quote:
Wotsit, Sun 25 Jan 12:00
Since you are so keen to dismiss the inconvenient video evidence (which was posted by a number of other sources but is being systematically deleted all over the internet), can I ask what fantasy you could concoct that would make what happened a reasonable action by anyone, least of all secretive government agents?
Thankfully there are still plenty videos out there that show the true facts of the case.
The fact that Noem has come out and spouted utter bullsh*t to the media (and the world) without hesitation or flinching shows how ingrained this cult is.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 25 Jan 12:36
Just seen the "pink jacket lady" video.
Seems like Alex Pretti, the victim, was helping a woman who ICE had assaulted previously when they swarmed them, pepper sprayed them both in the face, beat Alex, pistol whipped him, shot him in the head, then dumped about a dozen shots into his lifeless corpse.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Jan 12:42
Quote:
Wotsit, Sun 25 Jan 12:00
Since you are so keen to dismiss the inconvenient video evidence (which was posted by a number of other sources but is being systematically deleted all over the internet), can I ask what fantasy you could concoct that would make what happened a reasonable action by anyone, least of all secretive government agents?
Honestly what are you on about? 🤣 I’ll dismiss an edited video from a communist account every time. It’s never going to be impartial is it?
What fantasy do you concoct that would make you think an account posting propaganda is going to be a reliable source of information?
I think you and Big T are stuck in the same algorithms
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sun 25 Jan 12:50
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 12:42
Quote:
Wotsit, Sun 25 Jan 12:00
Since you are so keen to dismiss the inconvenient video evidence (which was posted by a number of other sources but is being systematically deleted all over the internet), can I ask what fantasy you could concoct that would make what happened a reasonable action by anyone, least of all secretive government agents?
Honestly what are you on about? 🤣 I’ll dismiss an edited video from a communist account every time. It’s never going to be impartial is it?
What fantasy do you concoct that would make you think an account posting propaganda is going to be a reliable source of information?
I think you and Big T are stuck in the same algorithms
I`ve seen the video. It`s cold blooded murder. Overkill. The people that did it are utter cowards. If you can`t watch the videos and see anything less than murderous scum then there is something very far wrong with you
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Sun 25 Jan 12:52
Well post the unedited video and put us right , massive
Post Edited (Sun 25 Jan 12:54)
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 25 Jan 13:02
It`s cold blooded murder and frankly, if you are actively admiring of the orange rapey nonce, you need checked.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Jan 13:06
Who honestly believes it’s a good idea to interrupt an enforcement agency like ICE and physically getting involved with their agents while carrying a gun?
The American courts may well end up prosecuting someone for killing him and it wouldn’t be unjustified but why did he put himself in that situation and why did he think having a gun while doing it would be a good idea?
The ICE agents aren’t innocent but nobody in that footage is.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 25 Jan 13:09
There`s more than one video, filmed from various angles. Some are from the lead up, some show the murder itself, and others show aftermath. It might be the one of the most documented murders in history.
But one of the videos was posted by someone who liked the cut of Karl Marx`s jib, so the cultists think they can ignore it all. What they cannot do is show any evidence that absolves or mitigates what the masked thugs did.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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Topic Originator: Jealous Furniture
Date: Sun 25 Jan 13:32
"Physically getting involved" is one way to put it.
I suppose his second mistake was "physically getting involved" with ten of ICE`s bullets.
People like you make me sick.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 25 Jan 13:37
Ahh. "The cult realises it can`t rationalise the crime, so they start blaming the victim."
We`re on a well trodden path.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Jan 13:39
If you can’t work out why edited footage from a communist is better ignored 🤷🏻♂️
That’s on you.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Jan 13:40
Quote:
Jealous Furniture, Sun 25 Jan 13:32
"Physically getting involved" is one way to put it.
I suppose his second mistake was "physically getting involved" with ten of ICE`s bullets.
People like you make me sick.
Yeah, he physically got himself involved 🤷🏻♂️ it’s in the footage.
Why was he there in the first place?
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 25 Jan 13:46
Exercising his constitutional rights. Why do you ask?
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 25 Jan 13:51
If you can’t work out why edited footage from a communist is better ignored 🤷🏻♂️
That’s on you.
Why are you obsessing over this one source (whose vantage point and content is confirmed by many of the other sources by the way) and ignoring the myriad others?
Undermine the source and blame the victim. Typical cultist behaviour.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Sun 25 Jan 14:01
Quote:
Wotsit, Sun 25 Jan 13:51
If you can’t work out why edited footage from a communist is better ignored 🤷🏻♂️
That’s on you.
Why are you obsessing over this one source (whose vantage point and content is confirmed by many of the other sources by the way) and ignoring the myriad others?
Undermine the source and blame the victim. Typical cultist behaviour.
No sure that you have spelt cultist correctly there wotsit.
Oh and still waiting on you posting the unedited video, or are you blethering sh1te, AGAIN?
Post Edited (Sun 25 Jan 14:06)
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Topic Originator: Jealous Furniture
Date: Sun 25 Jan 14:11
Our parents, grandparents and great grandparents all fought, suffered, protested and went on strike to get the rights that we enjoy today.
People who say it`s "not a good idea" to protest while these rights are taken away from us bit by bit, are entitled to sit on your bottom in the hoose if you wish.
But to hide behind "no one is innocent in that video" as some kind of justification for him being shot ten times after being disarmed is cowardly bullshit.
Sometimes I forget that despite us all supporting a provincial team from a working class area that there are Pars fans who are ignorant enough to have their prejudices exploited like this.
The question is, are you prepared to give away your rights if it means more are taken away from groups of people that you don`t like? Unfortunately it seems like plenty of people are, and we all know the bastards in charge have worked that out.
Anyway, the world cup being played in USA sounds perfect to me, FIFA and the USA are perfectly suited to each other, both corrupt to the core.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Jan 14:12
It’s no me obsessed about it. It’s me that’s dismissed as untrustworthy especially after seeing the real footage.
You don’t know what my conclusions on it are, you’re too busy prattling on about cults to see past yourself 🤣
Anyway it’s all kind of irrelevant. ICE agents aren’t just going to get away with murder the same as the guy who killed Ashli Babbitt didn’t just get away with it. There was an investigation into that and there will be an investigation into this.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 25 Jan 14:18
Alex Pretti isn`t comparible with Ashli Babbitt, don`t be silly.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sun 25 Jan 14:34
"Agreed, boycott and move elsewhere, Europe could take it easily"
Sounds good in theory - but almost impossible in practice.
Huge logistical and administrative obstacles.........and legal issues.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 25 Jan 14:49
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 13:06
Who honestly believes it’s a good idea to interrupt an enforcement agency like ICE and physically getting involved with their agents while carrying a gun?
The American courts may well end up prosecuting someone for killing him and it wouldn’t be unjustified but why did he put himself in that situation and why did he think having a gun while doing it would be a good idea?
The ICE agents aren’t innocent but nobody in that footage is.
That`s not right.
He had a weapon but open carry is the norm in that state.
He never attempted to go for it. It was noticed when they manhandled him and lifted his shirt.
They took it from its holster and then shot him.
It was murder
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Topic Originator: neils
Date: Sun 25 Jan 14:57
It was murder pure and simple
I can`t see how anyone can possibly defend this, anyone from West Fife should know about the power of protest, and our hard won rights, currently being battered in U.S. but we will be next
As for sport and politics shouldn`t mix? They absolutely do though.
This tournament shouldn`t be staged in this country.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Jan 14:57
Quote:
PARrot, Sun 25 Jan 14:49
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 13:06
Who honestly believes it’s a good idea to interrupt an enforcement agency like ICE and physically getting involved with their agents while carrying a gun?
The American courts may well end up prosecuting someone for killing him and it wouldn’t be unjustified but why did he put himself in that situation and why did he think having a gun while doing it would be a good idea?
The ICE agents aren’t innocent but nobody in that footage is.
That`s not right.
He had a weapon but open carry is the norm in that state.
He never attempted to go for it. It was noticed when they manhandled him and lifted his shirt.
They took it from its holster and then shot him.
It was murder
Certainly looks that way on the footage. Still think it needs an investigation though.
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Jan 15:00
Quote:
neils, Sun 25 Jan 14:57
It was murder pure and simple
I can`t see how anyone can possibly defend this, anyone from West Fife should know about the power of protest, and our hard won rights, currently being battered in U.S. but we will be next
As for sport and politics shouldn`t mix? They absolutely do though.
This tournament shouldn`t be staged in this country.
Your rights aren’t being battered by the US.
Your rights are being battered by the current and last government in Westminster and the current government in Holyrood.
It’s easy to point fingers at Donald Trump and claim he’s the one to blame but he’s got nothing to do with it. It’s actually deranged to think Donald Trump has anything to do with wat rights you do or don’t have in the UK
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Jan 15:03
Quote:
Wotsit, Sun 25 Jan 14:18
Alex Pretti isn`t comparible with Ashli Babbitt, don`t be silly.
It’s comparable in that someone has been shot and killed by a government agent. It’s also comparable that they’ll do an investigation.
COYP
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 25 Jan 15:12
I`m going round to NMC`s house to take the TV and anything of value knowing they won`t do anything just in case. Job`s a goodun.
Anyone looking for a cheap TV?
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Jan 15:15
Quote:
jake89, Sun 25 Jan 15:12
I`m going round to NMC`s house to take the TV and anything of value knowing they won`t do anything just in case. Job`s a goodun.
Anyone looking for a cheap TV?
What are you blabbering about?
COYP
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Sun 25 Jan 15:16
Law enforcement is very high up on the list of jobs a psychopath pursues. Why not shoot her tires? Why not taser or shoot a fleeing "criminal" in the leg instead of the back? Why is the officer shouting "get out the f***ING car" which sounds more overly threatening than "please get out of the car ma`am"? If you swear at an officer you`ll get cautioned at the very least, but it`s ok for them to do it. I honestly believe instead of recieving proper training they get stuck in a room and forced to watch all the Die Hard and Dirty Harry films back to back.
The quicker Trump`s time as Commander in Chief comes to an end the better. He`s an idiot voted in by a bunch of redneck hicks. A real president would be property helping the poor Ukrainian families instead of p*ssing off Denmark and other countries.
I don`t care that I`m a 49 year old mess, I`d happily sign up to the army if it meant going to war with the USA. I absolutely hate (a large majority of) them. All the Americans moaning about Trump should have showed up to vote for his opponent because clearly they didn`t. A woman in the oval office, hell no mutha f***a. I`ve watched 24 so I know it could work.
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: 87Par
Date: Sun 25 Jan 15:18
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 15:00
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neils, Sun 25 Jan 14:57
It was murder pure and simple
I can`t see how anyone can possibly defend this, anyone from West Fife should know about the power of protest, and our hard won rights, currently being battered in U.S. but we will be next
As for sport and politics shouldn`t mix? They absolutely do though.
This tournament shouldn`t be staged in this country.
Your rights aren’t being battered by the US.
Your rights are being battered by the current and last government in Westminster and the current government in Holyrood.
It’s easy to point fingers at Donald Trump and claim he’s the one to blame but he’s got nothing to do with it. It’s actually deranged to think Donald Trump has anything to do with wat rights you do or don’t have in the UK
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Topic Originator: Jealous Furniture
Date: Sun 25 Jan 15:29
Aye "deranged" right enough. Some would even say "Trump Derangement Syndrome".
If you`re some daftie that has such a cushty life that they get a wee kick out of people online getting wound up about Trump then just grow up.
Aye, Trump isn`t coming for our rights, he`s a senile old bigot who was born rich has limited understanding of how anything works. He`s in the position he is because he`s shameless and charismatic (so I`m told) enough to be useful to the people who are doing the damage. These same people would love to have a similar effect in the UK and our rights, and thanks to people like you, they have every chance.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 25 Jan 15:55
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 15:15
Quote:
jake89, Sun 25 Jan 15:12
I`m going round to NMC`s house to take the TV and anything of value knowing they won`t do anything just in case. Job`s a goodun.
Anyone looking for a cheap TV?
What are you blabbering about?
You`re view that people should just leave things be. So that`s fine, people can just come round your house and beat you up if you try and stop them taking anything.
Janey Godley was 100% correct in her assessment of Trump. I`m not a religious man but I hope hell exists for ***** like him.
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Sun 25 Jan 16:08
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 14:12
It’s no me obsessed about it. It’s me that’s dismissed as untrustworthy especially after seeing the real footage.
You don’t know what my conclusions on it are, you’re too busy prattling on about cults to see past yourself 🤣
Anyway it’s all kind of irrelevant. ICE agents aren’t just going to get away with murder the same as the guy who killed Ashli Babbitt didn’t just get away with it. There was an investigation into that and there will be an investigation into this.
And yet you won`t share it. Totally despise people like you. Ashamed that you`re a Pars fan
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Jan 16:39
Quote:
jake89, Sun 25 Jan 15:55
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 15:15
Quote:
jake89, Sun 25 Jan 15:12
I`m going round to NMC`s house to take the TV and anything of value knowing they won`t do anything just in case. Job`s a goodun.
Anyone looking for a cheap TV?
What are you blabbering about?
You`re view that people should just leave things be. So that`s fine, people can just come round your house and beat you up if you try and stop them taking anything.
Janey Godley was 100% correct in her assessment of Trump. I`m not a religious man but I hope hell exists for ***** like him.
How you’ve gotten to that conclusion. I have no idea 🤷🏻♂️
I’ll make it easy for you. There’s a difference between protesting and intervening with a squad following through on arrests.
If I remember right you had zero sympathy for the Pars fan that tried intervening on an arrest in Greenock? What’s changed?
COYP
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Jan 16:42
Quote:
Big T Par, Sun 25 Jan 16:08
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 14:12
It’s no me obsessed about it. It’s me that’s dismissed as untrustworthy especially after seeing the real footage.
You don’t know what my conclusions on it are, you’re too busy prattling on about cults to see past yourself 🤣
Anyway it’s all kind of irrelevant. ICE agents aren’t just going to get away with murder the same as the guy who killed Ashli Babbitt didn’t just get away with it. There was an investigation into that and there will be an investigation into this.
And yet you won`t share it. Totally despise people like you. Ashamed that you`re a Pars fan
Who are people like me T? Do me a favour and describe what you mean by that because nobody else has shared it either so does that mean they are all despised by you as well?
COYP
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sun 25 Jan 16:42
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 16:39
Quote:
jake89, Sun 25 Jan 15:55
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 15:15
Quote:
jake89, Sun 25 Jan 15:12
I`m going round to NMC`s house to take the TV and anything of value knowing they won`t do anything just in case. Job`s a goodun.
Anyone looking for a cheap TV?
What are you blabbering about?
You`re view that people should just leave things be. So that`s fine, people can just come round your house and beat you up if you try and stop them taking anything.
Janey Godley was 100% correct in her assessment of Trump. I`m not a religious man but I hope hell exists for ***** like him.
How you’ve gotten to that conclusion. I have no idea 🤷🏻♂️
I’ll make it easy for you. There’s a difference between protesting and intervening with a squad following through on arrests.
If I remember right you had zero sympathy for the Pars fan that tried intervening on an arrest in Greenock? What’s changed?
I`m not sure what your point is. He deserved to be shot and killed?
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sun 25 Jan 16:59
Of course it looks like murder. Of course it is not being admitted by the powers that be. Of course those who have carried it out should be punished to the full extent of the law.
But I can also accept that Alex Pretti must surely have known he was putting his own life in significant danger by getting involved. There has been clear evidence that the ICE agents are taking the law into their own hands over the past few weeks.
If I am going to protest and make a point, I am not sure I am going to do it with a set of armed officers who are happy to act outside the law, and appear to have political support to act with a level of impunity.
It is an absolutely tragedy.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 25 Jan 17:03
To add more context, ICE weren’t arresting the female they were assaulting - they were pushing her away and to the ground, which is when the VA nurse stepped in.
Never once attempted to draw his gun and was shot in cold blood, whilst his gun was actually being removed by another agent.
Will we get to see his phone footage? Will we f**k. The White House and Co will sweep this away just like the Good “investigation”.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Jan 17:05
Quote:
DBA, Sun 25 Jan 16:42
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 16:39
Quote:
jake89, Sun 25 Jan 15:55
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 15:15
Quote:
jake89, Sun 25 Jan 15:12
I`m going round to NMC`s house to take the TV and anything of value knowing they won`t do anything just in case. Job`s a goodun.
Anyone looking for a cheap TV?
What are you blabbering about?
You`re view that people should just leave things be. So that`s fine, people can just come round your house and beat you up if you try and stop them taking anything.
Janey Godley was 100% correct in her assessment of Trump. I`m not a religious man but I hope hell exists for ***** like him.
How you’ve gotten to that conclusion. I have no idea 🤷🏻♂️
I’ll make it easy for you. There’s a difference between protesting and intervening with a squad following through on arrests.
If I remember right you had zero sympathy for the Pars fan that tried intervening on an arrest in Greenock? What’s changed?
I`m not sure what your point is. He deserved to be shot and killed?
No.
Just there’s a difference between protesting and intervening on a squad of law enforcement officials following through on arrests.
Edit : just to be clear - I’m also pointing out that when the situation suits people’s preconceived notions or bias, they are more than happy to see something from a different perspective.
COYP
Post Edited (Sun 25 Jan 17:10)
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Jan 17:08
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sun 25 Jan 17:03
To add more context, ICE weren’t arresting the female they were assaulting - they were pushing her away and to the ground, which is when the VA nurse stepped in.
Never once attempted to draw his gun and was shot in cold blood, whilst his gun was actually being removed by another agent.
Will we get to see his phone footage? Will we f**k. The White House and Co will sweep this away just like the Good “investigation”.
I’m certain it’ll be investigated. How that investigation goes 🤷🏻♂️
It will be clear by the end if it’s been corrupted or not but you still need to let that process happen before jumping to conclusions.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 25 Jan 17:27
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 17:08
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sun 25 Jan 17:03
To add more context, ICE weren’t arresting the female they were assaulting - they were pushing her away and to the ground, which is when the VA nurse stepped in.
Never once attempted to draw his gun and was shot in cold blood, whilst his gun was actually being removed by another agent.
Will we get to see his phone footage? Will we f**k. The White House and Co will sweep this away just like the Good “investigation”.
I’m certain it’ll be investigated. How that investigation goes 🤷🏻♂️
It will be clear by the end if it’s been corrupted or not but you still need to let that process happen before jumping to conclusions.
It is already being corrupted by the likes of Noem claiming facts, when everyone can see she is downright lying……its out there, in the open, for the world to see.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Jan 17:40
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sun 25 Jan 17:27
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 17:08
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sun 25 Jan 17:03
To add more context, ICE weren’t arresting the female they were assaulting - they were pushing her away and to the ground, which is when the VA nurse stepped in.
Never once attempted to draw his gun and was shot in cold blood, whilst his gun was actually being removed by another agent.
Will we get to see his phone footage? Will we f**k. The White House and Co will sweep this away just like the Good “investigation”.
I’m certain it’ll be investigated. How that investigation goes 🤷🏻♂️
It will be clear by the end if it’s been corrupted or not but you still need to let that process happen before jumping to conclusions.
It is already being corrupted by the likes of Noem claiming facts, when everyone can see she is downright lying……its out there, in the open, for the world to see.
She would have been better saying “we can’t comment on an active investigation” instead as everything team trump does-they’ve created dug themselves a hole.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 25 Jan 18:02
"We investigated ourselves and..." is not a process with a great track record for uncovering wrongdoing by those being investigated.
What happens next is crucial. If the regime doubles-down on the lies there will be a lott of violence. people will realise that they have to start to defend themselves against the masked death squads roaming their streets.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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Topic Originator: Fargo
Date: Sun 25 Jan 18:05
NMC… your perspective seems to be that the investigation will see any wrongdoing prosecuted. So let’s be clear, the DOJ is blocking Minnesota’s Bureau of Criminal Apprehension from investigating or accessing evidence and crime scenes (which is unusual to say the least). Almost immediately following these shootings Vance and Noem are (in combination) stating that ICE agents have total immunity, labeling the victims as domestic terrorists, making unsupported statements about the victims intent, drawing their own conclusions from video evidence and stating as fact. Their investigations are worthless. The only person not being investigated in Renee Good’s shooting is the person that pulled the trigger. I’ve just watched Bovino completely mischaracterize multiple videos. Lies. Lies. Lies. Maybe get would up about that.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Jan 18:58
Quote:
Fargo, Sun 25 Jan 18:05
NMC… your perspective seems to be that the investigation will see any wrongdoing prosecuted. So let’s be clear, the DOJ is blocking Minnesota’s Bureau of Criminal Apprehension from investigating or accessing evidence and crime scenes (which is unusual to say the least). Almost immediately following these shootings Vance and Noem are (in combination) stating that ICE agents have total immunity, labeling the victims as domestic terrorists, making unsupported statements about the victims intent, drawing their own conclusions from video evidence and stating as fact. Their investigations are worthless. The only person not being investigated in Renee Good’s shooting is the person that pulled the trigger. I’ve just watched Bovino completely mischaracterize multiple videos. Lies. Lies. Lies. Maybe get would up about that.
What if their investigations find what you want them to find? Will they be worthless then?
The problem with the Renee Goode one is both her and her wife were antagonistic towards the ICE agents. She didn’t listen to them when they told her to get out the vehicle and she drove the car into the agent - whether she meant it or not.
I suspect that the Renee Goode shooting will be judged as justifiable whereas the shooting of Alex Peretti will not.
I still think they should not have been getting involved in ICE agents apprehending whoever it is they’re trying to apprehend.
By all means join the protests, vote them out of power and everything else you’re allowed to do. Nobody from protests are being arrested unfairly. Only issues is when people are trying to interfere in an ICE operation.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 25 Jan 19:10
Nobody is being arrested unfarly
Because they are being murdered, or beaten and left in a bush.
People in the US still have the right to protest the government`s actions.
There are also mechanisms over there for when their federal government over-reaches, it is not limited to voting.
The Second Ammendment is an obvious example of this.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 25 Jan 19:26
Quote:
Wotsit, Sun 25 Jan 19:10
Nobody is being arrested unfarly
Because they are being murdered, or beaten and left in a bush.
People in the US still have the right to protest the government`s actions.
There are also mechanisms over there for when their federal government over-reaches, it is not limited to voting.
The Second Ammendment is an obvious example of this.
Mate seriously have you not seen the protests? And by protests I mean the marches? They’ve been big. I don’t know how you’ve missed it.
I wouldn’t think so though because you’re allowed to protest in the west so you won’t see it on your communist channels since you know, communism doesn’t allow protest cos that’s against the party…
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Post Edited (Sun 25 Jan 19:30)
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sun 25 Jan 19:30
All these opinions! Curious as to how many have lived or visited the USA On regular basis to be such experts,Some maybe need to concentrate on whats going on in tge U K. Trump love him or hate him is removing ILLEGAL people ,many who are convicted criminals or gang land members
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Topic Originator: Fargo
Date: Sun 25 Jan 19:53
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 18:58
Quote:
Fargo, Sun 25 Jan 18:05
NMC… your perspective seems to be that the investigation will see any wrongdoing prosecuted. So let’s be clear, the DOJ is blocking Minnesota’s Bureau of Criminal Apprehension from investigating or accessing evidence and crime scenes (which is unusual to say the least). Almost immediately following these shootings Vance and Noem are (in combination) stating that ICE agents have total immunity, labeling the victims as domestic terrorists, making unsupported statements about the victims intent, drawing their own conclusions from video evidence and stating as fact. Their investigations are worthless. The only person not being investigated in Renee Good’s shooting is the person that pulled the trigger. I’ve just watched Bovino completely mischaracterize multiple videos. Lies. Lies. Lies. Maybe get would up about that.
What if their investigations find what you want them to find? Will they be worthless then?
The problem with the Renee Goode one is both her and her wife were antagonistic towards the ICE agents. She didn’t listen to them when they told her to get out the vehicle and she drove the car into the agent - whether she meant it or not.
I suspect that the Renee Goode shooting will be judged as justifiable whereas the shooting of Alex Peretti will not.
I still think they should not have been getting involved in ICE agents apprehending whoever it is they’re trying to apprehend.
By all means join the protests, vote them out of power and everything else you’re allowed to do. Nobody from protests are being arrested unfairly. Only issues is when people are trying to interfere in an ICE operation.
It’s not about gauging the value of an investigation by its outcome. It’s about how the investigative procedure itself has been changed, and how the DOJ / Federal Govt. is presumptively stating what happened.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 25 Jan 19:55
Quote:
NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 16:39
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jake89, Sun 25 Jan 15:55
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NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 15:15
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jake89, Sun 25 Jan 15:12
I`m going round to NMC`s house to take the TV and anything of value knowing they won`t do anything just in case. Job`s a goodun.
Anyone looking for a cheap TV?
What are you blabbering about?
You`re view that people should just leave things be. So that`s fine, people can just come round your house and beat you up if you try and stop them taking anything.
Janey Godley was 100% correct in her assessment of Trump. I`m not a religious man but I hope hell exists for ***** like him.
How you’ve gotten to that conclusion. I have no idea 🤷🏻♂️
I’ll make it easy for you. There’s a difference between protesting and intervening with a squad following through on arrests.
If I remember right you had zero sympathy for the Pars fan that tried intervening on an arrest in Greenock? What’s changed?
So if he got murdered you`d be fine with that?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 25 Jan 19:55
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sun 25 Jan 19:30
All these opinions! Curious as to how many have lived or visited the USA On regular basis to be such experts,Some maybe need to concentrate on whats going on in tge U K. Trump love him or hate him is removing ILLEGAL people ,many who are convicted criminals or gang land members
Were the two people murdered by ICE illegally in the USA?
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 25 Jan 20:01
Why do you keep bringing up Communists?
Communists have been irrelevant since 1991, and a lot of the ones that remain are Trump fans.
Authoritarianism is alive and well though.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sun 25 Jan 20:18
Quote:
jake89, Sun 25 Jan 19:55
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Rigger Al, Sun 25 Jan 19:30
All these opinions! Curious as to how many have lived or visited the USA On regular basis to be such experts,Some maybe need to concentrate on whats going on in tge U K. Trump love him or hate him is removing ILLEGAL people ,many who are convicted criminals or gang land members
Were the two people murdered by ICE illegally in the USA?
One refused to stop and get out her vehicle and drove forward and hit the ACE officer ,using her vehicle as a weapon ,,,one was carrying two loaded weapons ,,,,put yourself in either of these officers position .Politics again the mayors of these cities removed their police force ,who are also required to protect other agency officers , ACE Has removed so may illegal immigrants with serious violations such as murder,drug traffing ,child trafficing ,and rapes .If you enter any country in the world illegaly then its a crime ,so deserved 100% to be arrested .This is happening every single day at the U K. Borders and we do nothing .At least TRUMP makes a call
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Sun 25 Jan 21:45
Bin this thread or move it to politics thread
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 25 Jan 21:59
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Rigger Al, Sun 25 Jan 20:18
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jake89, Sun 25 Jan 19:55
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Rigger Al, Sun 25 Jan 19:30
All these opinions! Curious as to how many have lived or visited the USA On regular basis to be such experts,Some maybe need to concentrate on whats going on in tge U K. Trump love him or hate him is removing ILLEGAL people ,many who are convicted criminals or gang land members
Were the two people murdered by ICE illegally in the USA?
One refused to stop and get out her vehicle and drove forward and hit the ACE officer ,using her vehicle as a weapon ,,,one was carrying two loaded weapons ,,,,put yourself in either of these officers position .Politics again the mayors of these cities removed their police force ,who are also required to protect other agency officers , ACE Has removed so may illegal immigrants with serious violations such as murder,drug traffing ,child trafficing ,and rapes .If you enter any country in the world illegaly then its a crime ,so deserved 100% to be arrested .This is happening every single day at the U K. Borders and we do nothing .At least TRUMP makes a call
So if I can see someone has a knife in their belt it`s fine for me to stab them to death just in case?
To answer my own question - neither of the people murdered were there illegally.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sun 25 Jan 22:03
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Rigger Al, Sun 25 Jan 19:30
All these opinions! Curious as to how many have lived or visited the USA On regular basis to be such experts,Some maybe need to concentrate on whats going on in tge U K. Trump love him or hate him is removing ILLEGAL people ,many who are convicted criminals or gang land members
Also murdering legal people who are protesting legally.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 25 Jan 23:04
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Jealous Furniture, Sun 25 Jan 15:29
Aye "deranged" right enough. Some would even say "Trump Derangement Syndrome".
If you`re some daftie that has such a cushty life that they get a wee kick out of people online getting wound up about Trump then just grow up.
Aye, Trump isn`t coming for our rights, he`s a senile old bigot who was born rich has limited understanding of how anything works. He`s in the position he is because he`s shameless and charismatic (so I`m told) enough to be useful to the people who are doing the damage. These same people would love to have a similar effect in the UK and our rights, and thanks to people like you, they have every chance.
Trump, Vance and Miller have been actively promoting far right political parties in Europe in an effort to fragment it.
He wants to dominate through economic strength and Europe is the only thing standing in his way.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 25 Jan 23:10
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sun 25 Jan 19:30
All these opinions! Curious as to how many have lived or visited the USA On regular basis to be such experts,Some maybe need to concentrate on whats going on in tge U K. Trump love him or hate him is removing ILLEGAL people ,many who are convicted criminals or gang land members
None of that is true Rigger.
Absolute Trump propaganda.
He pardoned the drug barons and the insurrectionists along with many of his imprisoned fraudulent sidekick.
Ice is not targeting criminals. Very few detainees have criminal records.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Sun 25 Jan 23:55
This will be the last international competition with Germany wearing the 3 stripes of Adidas, the German FA have agreed a deal with Nike , allegedly for double what Adidas wear going to pay .
Adidas German tops have been some of the best international tops ever, over the last 70 years they have been together .
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Mon 26 Jan 00:08
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Sun 25 Jan 22:03
Quote:
Rigger Al, Sun 25 Jan 19:30
All these opinions! Curious as to how many have lived or visited the USA On regular basis to be such experts,Some maybe need to concentrate on whats going on in tge U K. Trump love him or hate him is removing ILLEGAL people ,many who are convicted criminals or gang land members
Also murdering legal people who are protesting legally.
Oh dear you are condoning murder of citizens who are legally demonstrating peacefully. She was driving very slowly and touched an ice person who tried to stop her so she was shot. He was in an area with ice people and they manhandled him to the ground, hit and beat him and then shot him loads of times, he was allowed to carry a weapon. Neither were illegals, so please don`t spout about have I been to the USA as it irrelevant to the two murders. And why do ice wear face masks, because they know they are out p eating illegally.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 26 Jan 01:06
Trump, Vance and Miller have been actively promoting far-right political parties in Europe in an effort to fragment it. He wants to dominate through economic strength and Europe is the only thing standing in his way.
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What economic strength? America is becoming a basket case. The US dollar is dying and being abandoned by more and more countries. Europe is not alone in resisting. Look at the BRICS nations and how members trade in each other`s currencies—this is a major, major, major shift.
America is almost US$40 trillion in debt, and that debt is growing by a trillion dollars every 100 days! Something like 25% of the US`s annual tax revenue goes towards paying the interest on this debt. How long before it is 30%? How long before the balloon bursts?
Once seen by many across the globe as the shining light on the hill, America is in steep decline, heading for the cliff, and an economic catastrophe. Trump`s aggressive policies are accelerating that process while increasingly isolating the US from the rest of the world.
And now we are seeing utter insanity on American streets. How sure can we be that things will have returned to some normality by the time the World Cup tournament kicks off? How safe can foreign fans feel in a country where pistols are freely carried, and bulky masked men with pepper spray and 12-gauge shotguns roam the streets?
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Mon 26 Jan 03:27
Wrong thread.
Post Edited (Mon 26 Jan 03:28)
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 26 Jan 04:05
With respect, Bletchley Par, it is not the "wrong thread", as you put it. Given the thread title, Trump`s erratic and aggressive behaviour towards other countries, and the dangerous activities he is promoting in American cities, must impact the football World Cup.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Mon 26 Jan 04:31
I`ve no idea what you are talking about.
If you wish to read my post in the correct thread it is my reply to veteraneastender in the "playoffs" thread.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 26 Jan 04:47
Ahhhhh... okay.
Sorry, BP, I read that completely wrong. You can put that down to my advancing senility...
:)
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Mon 26 Jan 05:04
No bother dude.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Mon 26 Jan 11:01
Concerning to see Nazi defenders in this thread.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 26 Jan 11:22
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Andrew283, Mon 26 Jan 11:01
Concerning to see Nazi defenders in this thread.
Not to mention the orange nonce.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Mon 26 Jan 11:30
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Andrew283, Mon 26 Jan 11:01
Concerning to see Nazi defenders in this thread.
Yep. Shameful
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Topic Originator: summeragent
Date: Mon 26 Jan 11:42
Could the World Cup be hosted by just Canada and Mexico and exclude the US altogether?
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Mon 26 Jan 12:35
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summeragent, Mon 26 Jan 11:42
Could the World Cup be hosted by just Canada and Mexico and exclude the US altogether?
Don`t think they have enough suitable stadiums for the current size of the WC. It`s really only possible for joint bids to every get it now, total joke from FIFA
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Mon 26 Jan 12:36
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NMCmassive, Sun 25 Jan 18:58
She didn’t listen to them when they told her to get out the vehicle and she drove the car into the agent - whether she meant it or not.
I suspect that the Renee Goode shooting will be judged as justifiable...
It isn`t.
If someone uses a vehicle as a weapon they are permitted to use lethal force to defend themselves, but not if they created the situation by stepping in front of the car.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Mon 26 Jan 12:49
Quote:
summeragent, Mon 26 Jan 11:42
Could the World Cup be hosted by just Canada and Mexico and exclude the US altogether?
That would leave FIFA etc. in line for hugely punitive damages in US courts in respect of breach of contracts.
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Mon 26 Jan 12:53
"That would leave FIFA etc. in line for hugely punitive damages in US courts in respect of breach of contracts."
... or worse... They would have to admit they were wrong to give Trump their "Peace" prize...
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Mon 26 Jan 15:50
Presumably FIFA would have "reputational damage" clauses in their contracts?
Mind you, it would be trivial to show a court that they don`t have a reputation to damage.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Mon 26 Jan 17:34
See when the question why do you no longer post on. net comes up. This is exactly what folk were on about.
The team are flying just now and we’ve got a real chance of reaching the Scottish Cup semis, that’s what should be getting talked about. Instead we’ve got three posters derailing it into political rambling.
There’s literally a whole section of the forum for politics. It’d be good to keep the football Forum about football and how good we are doing.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 26 Jan 17:44
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Sacktheref69, Mon 26 Jan 17:34
See when the question why do you no longer post on. net comes up. This is exactly what folk were on about.
The team are flying just now and we’ve got a real chance of reaching the Scottish Cup semis, that’s what should be getting talked about. Instead we’ve got three posters derailing it into political rambling.
There’s literally a whole section of the forum for politics. It’d be good to keep the football Forum about football and how good we are doing.
The thread is about football and whether or not national associations should boycott the world cup or not based on the geo politics of one of the host nations actions.
Theres a really simple thing to do if you don’t like the thread - scroll past it. You’d think the world was confined to this forum the way folk act.
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Mon 26 Jan 18:54
Sepp Blatter coming out in support now as well.
But probably just imagining how much a future change of heart will earn him.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 29 Jan 00:46
I wonder if any of this is connected to the fraud cases currently under investigation in Minnesota?
It’s just weird the only place that has mass ICE protests and interventions is the only place where it’s governor had his reelection campaign derailed by a fraud investigation that is wrapped up with foreign national communities and possibly $billions missing since 2018 🤷🏻♂️
COYP
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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Thu 29 Jan 07:17
This thread is a very important football question and needs to be discussed 👍
As we all know you can`t please everyone
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Thu 29 Jan 08:52
Quote:
NMCmassive, Thu 29 Jan 00:46
I wonder if any of this is connected to the fraud cases currently under investigation in Minnesota?
It’s just weird the only place that has mass ICE protests and interventions is the only place where it’s governor had his reelection campaign derailed by a fraud investigation that is wrapped up with foreign national communities and possibly $billions missing since 2018 🤷🏻♂️
Deflection time, now that victim blaming didn`t work.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Thu 29 Jan 18:21
Quote:
Wotsit, Thu 29 Jan 08:52
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NMCmassive, Thu 29 Jan 00:46
I wonder if any of this is connected to the fraud cases currently under investigation in Minnesota?
It’s just weird the only place that has mass ICE protests and interventions is the only place where it’s governor had his reelection campaign derailed by a fraud investigation that is wrapped up with foreign national communities and possibly $billions missing since 2018 🤷🏻♂️
Deflection time, now that victim blaming didn`t work.
No deflection at all. If you look back you’ll see what I said about that guys killing. (You won’t though) There was no victim blaming either. I was questioning what his motives were for being there in the first place. Considering the footage of him spitting on agents, kicking their cars, screaming at them and being violently aggressive towards them is now doing the rounds - it’s perfectly reasonable to question what his motives were for turning up with a loaded gun and 2x magazines.
But since you’ve obviously missed it and I doubt you’ll look back - I’ve already said that I don’t think his killing is justified. I think one of those agents is going to end up in the big house.
But as I previously said, it is highly coincidental that Minnesota is the state that has ongoing investigations into money laundering through the state for foreign nationals and it’s the only state that there are people intervening in the ICE arrests.
COYP
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Topic Originator: BouncyPar
Date: Thu 29 Jan 18:48
Firstly, he was legally entitled to carry a gun and 2 magazines. It`s not legal, moral, or right to kill a civilian going about his day, legally carrying a weapon the government have issued him with a licence for, based on an assumption that he must be up to no good just because he is in possession of said weapon.
Secondly, protests, and interventions, against ICE have taken place in many cities and states across America in the last 18 months. It`s not just Minnesota.
Thirdly, the vast majority of reputable testing sites are suggesting the recent videos are AI. Even if they are not, it's simply not OK for a civilian to be summarily executed by a government agency for kicking cars. Or any other reason. Ever.
Post Edited (Thu 29 Jan 18:58)
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Thu 29 Jan 19:21
Quote:
NMCmassive, Thu 29 Jan 18:21
Quote:
Wotsit, Thu 29 Jan 08:52
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NMCmassive, Thu 29 Jan 00:46
I wonder if any of this is connected to the fraud cases currently under investigation in Minnesota?
It’s just weird the only place that has mass ICE protests and interventions is the only place where it’s governor had his reelection campaign derailed by a fraud investigation that is wrapped up with foreign national communities and possibly $billions missing since 2018 🤷🏻♂️
Deflection time, now that victim blaming didn`t work.
No deflection at all. If you look back you’ll see what I said about that guys killing. (You won’t though) There was no victim blaming either. I was questioning what his motives were for being there in the first place. Considering the footage of him spitting on agents, kicking their cars, screaming at them and being violently aggressive towards them is now doing the rounds - it’s perfectly reasonable to question what his motives were for turning up with a loaded gun and 2x magazines.
But since you’ve obviously missed it and I doubt you’ll look back - I’ve already said that I don’t think his killing is justified. I think one of those agents is going to end up in the big house.
But as I previously said, it is highly coincidental that Minnesota is the state that has ongoing investigations into money laundering through the state for foreign nationals and it’s the only state that there are people intervening in the ICE arrests.
What BouncyPar said.
I would add that US government officials have said that ICE would calm its operations in Minneapolis if the State government hands over its voter registration details, which they have no obligation to do, and which they have reason to believe would not be used honestly or securely. This is a shakedown for their voter registration information.
These two people died (along with others across the US whose stories are not being told so often because they were less white than the two we have discussed so far in this thread) because the US Federal government can`t accept being told no by the man who called Trump weird.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Fri 30 Jan 01:06
Quote:
BouncyPar, Thu 29 Jan 18:48
Firstly, he was legally entitled to carry a gun and 2 magazines. It`s not legal, moral, or right to kill a civilian going about his day, legally carrying a weapon the government have issued him with a licence for, based on an assumption that he must be up to no good just because he is in possession of said weapon.
Secondly, protests, and interventions, against ICE have taken place in many cities and states across America in the last 18 months. It`s not just Minnesota.
Thirdly, the vast majority of reputable testing sites are suggesting the recent videos are AI. Even if they are not, it`s simply not OK for a civilian to be summarily executed by a government agency for kicking cars. Or any other reason. Ever.
Firstly, he wasn’t following the conditions of his permit. Even if he was, he didn’t deserve to be shot but he wasn’t making clear headed decisions. Questioning his motives or his actions doesn’t equate to saying he deserves to be shot.
Secondly, only in Minnesota has the Governor called ICE the modern day gestapo and had state representatives set up ICE watch groups to sign people up to intervene in arrests that agents have been making. Is the fact that it’s the same people who could be in serious trouble for $billions potentially being laundered through the state only coincidence? Maybe… but I’d certainly argue that the actions of those people have increased the likelihood and directly had an impact on the deaths of Renee Goode and Alex Pretti. They’ve encouraged an us vs them mentality with a certain amount of the population which has further increased tensions.
Thirdly, the videos aren’t AI as confirmed in public statements by his family and attorney.
COYP
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 30 Jan 09:08
I think everyone can agree that no modern country should be executing its citizens on the street.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 30 Jan 10:04
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jake89, Fri 30 Jan 09:08
I think everyone can agree that no modern country should be executing its citizens on the street.
What`s happening would suggest that is not the case, unfortunately.
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Topic Originator: SusieQ
Date: Fri 30 Jan 10:10
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jake89, Fri 30 Jan 09:08
I think everyone can agree that no modern country should be executing its citizens on the street.
There`s 1 orange exception.
Hoping there`s not a boycott tbh as booked up for Boston. Going for the Morocco game so only got to survive 4 days in the US before heading north to visit my cousin, and still be there when we play Brazil.
The 2 shootings are horrific but I can`t help thinking the second guy was a little foolish to get involved so soon after the previous incident.
No victim blaming intended, as he still didn`t deserve being executed, but yeah - protest etc of course, but dont take ANY risk they could end up shooting you for anything!
Not to mention the official spin - makes you wonder what horrendous lies they spout when there`s no contrary evidence 🤔😱
COME ON YE PARS!
Post Edited (Fri 30 Jan 10:11)
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Fri 30 Jan 10:31
I hope it`s not boycotted too SusieQ for same reasons as we have all our flights, hotels and tickets booked and it was earth-shatteringly expensive.
I am worried though that the queues at airport immigration are going to be extra slow and extra long and we might see a stricter style of policing on the build-up to matches that we normally don`t see in beautiful Scotland
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 4 Feb 07:38
Interesting that the NFL Head of Security has confirmed that there will not be any ICE presence at the Super Bowl at the weekend, despite what Nome has previously stated.
The NFL head stated that the Super Bowl would be managed in the same way as other major events, like the World Cup, and in line with how they have always been managed.
Hopefully gives those with tickets a wee bit more confidence.
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