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Topic Originator: sjapar
Date: Fri 13 Feb 21:53
Looking at St Johnstone tonight and the players they have managed to bring in , It’s night and day compaired to what we have brought in quality wise .
So does it beg the Q are we lacking ambition ?
For me it’s starting to feel like the Germans are back at the helm.
Who have we signed in recent times that is what you’d say is a statement signing? Like maybe a Paton and Fowler . Not on about anyone crazy.
Sja
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Topic Originator: Bertie Paton
Date: Fri 13 Feb 22:02
Plenty cash being spent. It`s more down the youth route we are going than ready made.
I think it`s night and day compared to what the previous owners did.
Post Edited (Fri 13 Feb 22:03)
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Fri 13 Feb 22:04
No statement signing, the board are definitely playing it tight.
But, still doesn`t feel like it did with the Germans. Im willing to give it time.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 13 Feb 22:06
Obvious troll is obvious.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Fri 13 Feb 22:13
No way is there lack of ambition.Success doesn’t come overnight,we have a young team developing,so we have to be realistic and patient. We have had our fingers burned before,with players we could not really afford,so I am with the club on their strategy.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 13 Feb 22:34
Are we in a better position than last year?
Decent crowds, despite the inconsistancy.
I want to go up this year, but I`d settle for winning the cup.
No, there is not a lack of ambition in my opinion, but the giant is still a bit drowsey.
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Topic Originator: Pars Athletic
Date: Fri 13 Feb 22:34
This season we have a few excellent performances and results early on. But there have been a few horrific performances creeping into our game lately. Any time we have a chance to cement a top 4 place we bottle it, we badly need experience and I don`t think we had a good January transfer window. Next season we should know what ambitions the owners have, as we will have a few high earners off the books and Lennon will have the chance to form a squad capable of promotion.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Fri 13 Feb 23:00
Quote:
sjapar, Fri 13 Feb 21:53
Looking at St Johnstone tonight and the players they have managed to bring in , It’s night and day compaired to what we have brought in quality wise .
So does it beg the Q are we lacking ambition ?
For me it’s starting to feel like the Germans are back at the helm.
Who have we signed in recent times that is what you’d say is a statement signing? Like maybe a Paton and Fowler . Not on about anyone crazy.
St Johnstone selling out to get back up straight away, spunking the whole parachute payment and more, will be goosed ,if they dont make it this season .
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Fri 13 Feb 23:24
As I’ve mentioned in other posts, given the position we are in regarding the playoffs I’m shocked we haven’t address the attacking areas of the team and brought in at least another striker.
We are very light up top and I get the feeling it may be a decision we regret come end of the season. We simply don’t score enough goals.
Even another winger so we can play with wingers, I think only Morrison is the only natural winger we have.
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Topic Originator: sonofpetrie
Date: Fri 13 Feb 23:26
KRH and CK are costing us £7000 a week between them. Let that sink in. Neither of those players are from the new regime. It will take a while to clear the decks. This is very much a marathon and not a sprint.
Watching Kearney, Fraser, Abduli has been a joy. Seeing Matty Todd and Nguyena resurrect their careers under Lennon is something a bit special too. I am here for the journey and it will take time. To compare now to the turgid $hite we played under Mcpake, Tisder and the German overlords is just nonsense. Lennon has said on many occasions that this will take a while but I am enjoying it.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary"
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Fri 13 Feb 23:32
I was disappointed we didn’t go in for Fowler. He’s still young enough to fit the model but also effective enough now to make a difference. The type of player we should be after.
As it stands with the window closed and Rudden likely out for the season we will need to try and utilise the limited options of the loan window and free agents. On free agents I’d look at Moses Ebiye if he’s still in Scotland and has kept himself fit. Maybe Chris Martin? I hear he’s still training with Leicester. Either would give us something extra for the rest of the season.
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Fri 13 Feb 23:48
Personally I thought Airdrie were the better team tonight but lacked a cutting edge up front. The fact that the St Johnstone keeper got man of the match said something. Thought they were fortunate to go home with all the points. Don`t think St Johnstone are hugely better than us but are more consistent. We are definitely building though and going in the right direction.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Fri 13 Feb 23:54
£7k a week 😂😂
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 14 Feb 01:08
See that ambitious side that are spending wads on quality. We have taken a more responsible route and we our unworthy team just horsed them on their own patch.
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Sat 14 Feb 06:32
Quote:
Never10yairds, Fri 13 Feb 23:32
I was disappointed we didn’t go in for Fowler. He’s still young enough to fit the model but also effective enough now to make a difference. The type of player we should be after.
Who said we didn`t go in for him? Are you jumping to conclusions?
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Sat 14 Feb 06:46
Listen, if we’re just gonna ignore the fact they actually came in and paid for a new pitch then what’s the point? We still have deadwood from the McPake era lingering about, two of our highest earners can’t even last 90 regularly and the other is out on loan at Stenny.
If the OP is actually a Pars fan, go read Bord’s first comments when he walked in, he said straight up he’s not gonna throw millions at the team because that doesn’t guarantee success. And he’s right. Infrastructure and stability matter too.
He’s improved the playing surface and we finally have hospitality that doesn’t make you cringe every time someone asks “what’s included?” it’s actually decent now and we needed that.
So what is deemed success anyway? To me it’s clearly better than we were. Best cup run in 17 years, we’re not looking like relegation fodder, and we’re playing better football than the Tidser ball. Under the Germans we got astro and portacabins on grants then whined about having no money.
This is a project and the goal is promotion but we aren`t ready yet. Get rid of the deadwood bring in reliable improvements and we go again.
But let`s be sensible here we are miles better than the Germans era.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: BigTpar1986
Date: Sat 14 Feb 07:02
I don’t see it as lack of ambition personally. More our rise/progression being unfortunately timed.
Had we had the new owners/managers/squad we have now for the start of last season, I think we would have had more chance of luring in your Fowlers or loan deals for Paton as it was an open league.
This year we had the rare occasion of two prem teams dropping down with initial staring budgets greater than ours.
County blurted loads of money on the experienced guys at the start of the season, it went sideways for them. St johnstone were a bit more shrewd early doors (albeit with a better squad from the start) and this gave them an edge not only through the first half of the Season but in the January market with funding and league position as leverage.
I would have loved us to bring in stronger experience in January but happy to see Miller’s signing as a massive positive for the play off push.
We have years of poor recruitment to rectify come the end of the season, and I’m personally looking forward to watching the cup run and play off push play out with what has been built so far.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 14 Feb 07:03
"KRH and CK are costing us £7000 a week between them. Let that sink in. Neither of those players are from the new regime. It will take a while to clear the decks. This is very much a marathon and not a sprint."
I`m intrigued as to how some posters are privy to the salaries of individual players in our squad.
Genuine question. Is this information freely available in the public domain, or are these said posters friends or relatives of these players? If it’s the latter, I`d imagine the players concerned would be less than chuffed to have this information splashed on this forum.
Or perhaps it`s pure guesswork? 🤔
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Kozmano1
Date: Sat 14 Feb 07:05
Some people are never pleased. You obviously haven’t watched much of Dunfermline the past 15 years, with that assessment?
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Topic Originator: General Zod
Date: Sat 14 Feb 07:35
We literally employed what is now the 2nd most successful manager working in Scotland and folk are talking about lacking ambition? I think the supporters lack of intelligence is more of a problem. It’s embarrassing how so utterly clueless folk can be. We are a work in progress and buying overnight success can backfire spectacularly. It’s happened to clubs in Scotland many times before. Us included.
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Sat 14 Feb 07:36
This is the only thing I could find regarding wages but I think some of these number are well off:
Dunfermline Athletic total wage bill for 2025 is:
£991,640 per year
£19,070 per week
Jefferson Cáceres £1,100 £57,200 22 AM RL Peru
Chris Kane £980 £50,960 30 ST Scotland
Alfons Amade £970 £50,440 25 D/WB R, DM Mozambique
Zak Rudden £900 £46,800 25 ST Scotland
Mason Munn £900 £46,800 19 GK N.Ireland
Kane Ritchie-Hosler £900 £46,800 22 WB/AM R England
Billy Terrell £890 £46,280 21 GK England
Deniz Mehmet £870 £45,240 32 GK Türkiye
Kyle Benedictus £850 £44,200 33 D C Scotland
Charlie Gilmour £780 £40,560 26 D
Chris Hamilton £730 £37,960 23
Robbie Fraser £700 £36,400 22 D/WB/AM L Scotland
Ewan Otoo £660 £34,320 22 D LC, DM, M LC Scotland
Josh Cooper £610 £31,720 22 AM RLC, F C Scotland
Jeremiah Chilokoa-Mullen £610 £31,720 21 D C Scotland
Keith Bray £600 £31,200 19 D R, DM, AM RC Scotland
Kieran Ngwenya £600 £31,200 22 D/WB L Malawi
Barney Stewart £590 £30,680 21 ST England
Nurudeen Abdulai £570 £29,640 20 D C, DM Ghana
Tashan Oakley-Boothe £560 £29,120 25 DM England
Andrew Tod £550 £28,600
Rory MacLeod £530 £27,560 19 AM R, ST Scotland
Sam Fisher £520 £27,040 23 D C Scotland
Matty Todd £480 £24,960 24 AM C Scotland
John Tod £410 £21,320 18 D C Scotland
Shea Kearney £370 £19,240 21 D/WB R, M RC N.Ireland
Liam Hoggan £290 £15,080 18 D R Scotland
Mark Beveridge £250 £13,000 17 DM Scotland
Thomas Margetts £150 £7,800 16 GK Scotland
Lucas Fyfe £150 £7,800
Source of above is salarysport.com
Footnote: Before we signed caceres I was told kane and KRH were our highest earners but I would question the 7k combined figure above.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
Post Edited (Sat 14 Feb 07:38)
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Topic Originator: Kozmano1
Date: Sat 14 Feb 07:40
It was rumoured that the transfer of Fraser to Livingston fell through because they couldn’t afford his 4k a week wage demands. Who knows what the actual wage structure is?
Post Edited (Sat 14 Feb 07:41)
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Topic Originator: Lesliepartoo
Date: Sat 14 Feb 07:44
Anyone wanting promotion this year is crazy. We are nowhere near ready to go up. We would be the Livingston next season getting whipped each week.
We will win the league next year and be in a far better place for the spl the following season.
Cmon ye pars
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Sat 14 Feb 07:57
Statement signings are working out well for Ross County and Rovers. Imagine trying to build something sustainable or having a coherent strategy 😱
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Topic Originator: Lesliepartoo
Date: Sat 14 Feb 07:59
Quote:
P, Sat 14 Feb 07:57
Statement signings are working out well for Ross County and Rovers. Imagine trying to build something sustainable or having a coherent strategy 😱
Well said p
Cmon ye pars
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Topic Originator: hudza
Date: Sat 14 Feb 08:09
It’s been a lot better than the German era.
Yes we are inconsistent but we have a very young squad and at least you can see what we are trying to do. Players like Mullen, Fraser, Nuradeen and Gilmour have been brilliant this season and may all go on to bigger clubs over the coming years.
We do need to improve in the attacking third and maybe change how we play against more defensively minded teams coming to EEP but I’m pretty sure that will come.
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Sat 14 Feb 08:26
I’ve always wondered what makes a signing a statement signing, apart from the name on the back of the shirt. Was wanyama a marquee signing? He was a disaster.
Gilmour is, in my opinion, one of the top three midfielders in the league, and Robbie Fraser is in the conversation for best left back in the league too. Neither of them was really seen as a “marquee” or “statement” signings.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 14 Feb 08:57
I think its been said a few times its small steps and progression and development. I think its one tging bringing in proven experienced players, or statement players but at the end of the day, we have been that route before and it got the club into financial trouble. We need to find or develop our own statement players and give players the opportunity to learn and develop to be just that. NL has alot of experience in the game both as a player and a manager, so we are very lucky to have him at the club in my view. He can manage and motivate players snd give them a platform to improve and progress their careers in the game if they want it. You have to align objectives to be successful, those of players, management and owners. Its interesting the disappointment in the performance against Kelty, but mirror that with the fact that we are in the quarter finals of the cup for the first time in 17 years having knocked out a premiership club. Thats the measure of the progression and ambition of the club for me
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Sat 14 Feb 09:02
I get everyone has their own opinion, but to me this is a very silly thread
COYP
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Topic Originator: sonofpetrie
Date: Sat 14 Feb 09:06
Quote:
GG Riva, Sat 14 Feb 07:03
"KRH and CK are costing us £7000 a week between them. Let that sink in. Neither of those players are from the new regime. It will take a while to clear the decks. This is very much a marathon and not a sprint."
I`m intrigued as to how some posters are privy to the salaries of individual players in our squad.
Genuine question. Is this information freely available in the public domain, or are these said posters friends or relatives of these players? If it’s the latter, I`d imagine the players concerned would be less than chuffed to have this information splashed on this forum.
Or perhaps it`s pure guesswork? 🤔
It`s not readily available GG. You only have to be friends with one or two of the players to know. And before everyone jumps on and says "that`s confidential" etc we all know in reality that work mates talk and people find out salaries. Is it really hard to believe that he earns around £100 an hour for a working week? I know what everyone earns at my work. I shouldn`t but I do. I also know it was a sore point for me back at the start of my tenure when I earned much less than some colleagues.
It took a long time to secure CK`s services at the start if we recall and there was a good reason for that. He was training with us for quite some time whilst his agent tried to secure him the most lucrative deal. Mcpake and McKay did this in the end but after the change in management ,even less ability to train and the obvious strict work ethic NL brings you can see why there is a bit of disharmony as a result.
The domino effect now is we are trying to secure JCM as a player and his agent is looking for MORE than CK earns. Whether we are successful in this or even want to commit to such a deal remains to be seen. These businessmen in charge are multimillionaires for a very good reason.
NL`s statements constantly reminding the fans that this will take time is not as simple as him admitting we need better players. It`s also because he wants to build a squad of players with a recognisable structure with a certain amount of parity and possibility of progression for the players.
For what it`s worth I think CK is a superb player and when we do get to see him play, and invariably score, I love it. I wish I could wave a wand that meant he didn`t have the injury issues he does.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary"
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Topic Originator: KnebworthPar
Date: Sat 14 Feb 09:07
Plenty of ambition being shown by the club and it’s fantastic to see. An earlier thread showed the players out of contract in the summer and there’s not many in there that I think will be here next season. Lennon saying now isn’t the time to discuss contracts while at the same time giving Terrell a new one speaks volumes.
Will be a big summer:
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Sat 14 Feb 09:16
Quote:
sjapar, Fri 13 Feb 21:53
Looking at St Johnstone tonight and the players they have managed to bring in , It’s night and day compaired to what we have brought in quality wise .
So does it beg the Q are we lacking ambition ?
For me it’s starting to feel like the Germans are back at the helm.
Who have we signed in recent times that is what you’d say is a statement signing? Like maybe a Paton and Fowler . Not on about anyone crazy.
It helps when they sold two players to England for £500k plus. Add this to their parachute payment and they have a lot of extra income.
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Topic Originator: ubisanman
Date: Sat 14 Feb 09:21
According to this
https://www.scottishfootball.info/p/spfl-prize-money-distribution-for
We got around 300k prize money last season, Saints got 1.6M
That`s bound to help.
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Topic Originator: Jock Par36
Date: Sat 14 Feb 09:40
Do not see where there is a lack of ambition. We are in
with a fair chance of a play off spot. We are in the
quarter finals of the Scottish cup. We have beaten
Raith Rovers and St Johnstone away from home and
Let`s not forget beating a top Premiership team in
Hibs. Admittedly it was a bit of a damper losing to
Airdrie but nevertheless I think we are heading in the
directions.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Sat 14 Feb 09:44
I don’t like to focus on individual players salaries especially against performance, but imagine we didn’t have Chris Kane’s goals last year. Where does anyone think DAFC would have been playing their football this year.
He is not playing regularly this year but still pitching in with a fair amount of goals.
Worth his weight in gold I would say.
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Topic Originator: Parfect69
Date: Sat 14 Feb 10:23
What an absolute bonkers thread to start. I am more than happy with the direction our club is taking.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sat 14 Feb 10:55
Quote:
ubisanman, Sat 14 Feb 09:21
According to this
https://www.scottishfootball.info/p/spfl-prize-money-distribution-for
We got around 300k prize money last season, Saints got 1.6M
That`s bound to help.
Plus £500k for Mackenzie Kirk and a `six figure fee` for Adama Sidibeh.
Their wage bill will likely be higher than ours but they are more than balancing the books transfer fee wise I`d say.
I would like them to blow it but they look nailed on for going back up.
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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar
Date: Sat 14 Feb 11:45
The marquee signing is Neil Lennon.
I never thought we’d secure a manager of his quality and experience (I hated him as a player), but he’s attracted by the challenge of a long term project and commitment from the owners and we’re only 1 year in.
Howsoever, we’ve secured a lot of promising young players, when was the last season we had games postponed because of international call-ups, the new pitch looks so much better, and the entire club looks on the up. Meantime, most sensible Pars fans would agree that we’re not the finished article, but for the 1st time in many years, we’re enjoying the football.
Lack of ambition? Give your head a shake.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 14 Feb 12:13
Quote:
sonofpetrie, Sat 14 Feb 09:06
Quote:
GG Riva, Sat 14 Feb 07:03
"KRH and CK are costing us £7000 a week between them. Let that sink in. Neither of those players are from the new regime. It will take a while to clear the decks. This is very much a marathon and not a sprint."
I`m intrigued as to how some posters are privy to the salaries of individual players in our squad.
Genuine question. Is this information freely available in the public domain, or are these said posters friends or relatives of these players? If it’s the latter, I`d imagine the players concerned would be less than chuffed to have this information splashed on this forum.
Or perhaps it`s pure guesswork? 🤔
It`s not readily available GG. You only have to be friends with one or two of the players to know. And before everyone jumps on and says "that`s confidential" etc we all know in reality that work mates talk and people find out salaries. Is it really hard to believe that he earns around £100 an hour for a working week? I know what everyone earns at my work. I shouldn`t but I do. I also know it was a sore point for me back at the start of my tenure when I earned much less than some colleagues.
It took a long time to secure CK`s services at the start if we recall and there was a good reason for that. He was training with us for quite some time whilst his agent tried to secure him the most lucrative deal. Mcpake and McKay did this in the end but after the change in management ,even less ability to train and the obvious strict work ethic NL brings you can see why there is a bit of disharmony as a result.
The domino effect now is we are trying to secure JCM as a player and his agent is looking for MORE than CK earns. Whether we are successful in this or even want to commit to such a deal remains to be seen. These businessmen in charge are multimillionaires for a very good reason.
NL`s statements constantly reminding the fans that this will take time is not as simple as him admitting we need better players. It`s also because he wants to build a squad of players with a recognisable structure with a certain amount of parity and possibility of progression for the players.
For what it`s worth I think CK is a superb player and when we do get to see him play, and invariably score, I love it. I wish I could wave a wand that meant he didn`t have the injury issues he does.
Absolute waffle
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 14 Feb 12:22
It`s hard to believe the previous owners authorised combined wages of £7,000 a week for two players when they froze James McPake`s recruitment budget last season.
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Sat 14 Feb 14:09
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 14 Feb 12:22
It`s hard to believe the previous owners authorised combined wages of £7,000 a week for two players when they froze James McPake`s recruitment budget last season.
They did, but they also kept blaming the astro and the portacabins down at Rosyth for the financial issues. When you read the communications, though, they constantly mention grants. I think the Germans never really realised how much money was required to get out of the Championship and instead put their money into the wrong areas.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 14 Feb 16:25
"It`s not readily available GG. You only have to be friends with one or two of the players to know. And before everyone jumps on and says "that`s confidential" etc we all know in reality that work mates talk and people find out salaries. Is it really hard to believe that he earns around £100 an hour for a working week? I know what everyone earns at my work. I shouldn`t but I do. I also know it was a sore point for me back at the start of my tenure when I earned much less than some colleagues."
Thanks for the detailed reply, SoP. Most players on decent wages are asked not to divulge these to their teammates, but some can`t help themselves. Such thoughtless behaviour can sometimes lead to the break up of dressing room harmony.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 14 Feb 17:02
Quote:
Andrew283, Sat 14 Feb 12:13
Quote:
sonofpetrie, Sat 14 Feb 09:06
Quote:
GG Riva, Sat 14 Feb 07:03
"KRH and CK are costing us £7000 a week between them. Let that sink in. Neither of those players are from the new regime. It will take a while to clear the decks. This is very much a marathon and not a sprint."
I`m intrigued as to how some posters are privy to the salaries of individual players in our squad.
Genuine question. Is this information freely available in the public domain, or are these said posters friends or relatives of these players? If it’s the latter, I`d imagine the players concerned would be less than chuffed to have this information splashed on this forum.
Or perhaps it`s pure guesswork? 🤔
It`s not readily available GG. You only have to be friends with one or two of the players to know. And before everyone jumps on and says "that`s confidential" etc we all know in reality that work mates talk and people find out salaries. Is it really hard to believe that he earns around £100 an hour for a working week? I know what everyone earns at my work. I shouldn`t but I do. I also know it was a sore point for me back at the start of my tenure when I earned much less than some colleagues.
It took a long time to secure CK`s services at the start if we recall and there was a good reason for that. He was training with us for quite some time whilst his agent tried to secure him the most lucrative deal. Mcpake and McKay did this in the end but after the change in management ,even less ability to train and the obvious strict work ethic NL brings you can see why there is a bit of disharmony as a result.
The domino effect now is we are trying to secure JCM as a player and his agent is looking for MORE than CK earns. Whether we are successful in this or even want to commit to such a deal remains to be seen. These businessmen in charge are multimillionaires for a very good reason.
NL`s statements constantly reminding the fans that this will take time is not as simple as him admitting we need better players. It`s also because he wants to build a squad of players with a recognisable structure with a certain amount of parity and possibility of progression for the players.
For what it`s worth I think CK is a superb player and when we do get to see him play, and invariably score, I love it. I wish I could wave a wand that meant he didn`t have the injury issues he does.
Absolute waffle
Agreed, that`s just a load of made up nonsense in general
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Topic Originator: sonofpetrie
Date: Sat 14 Feb 18:00
Quote:
red-star-par, Sat 14 Feb 17:02
Quote:
Andrew283, Sat 14 Feb 12:13
Quote:
sonofpetrie, Sat 14 Feb 09:06
Quote:
GG Riva, Sat 14 Feb 07:03
"KRH and CK are costing us £7000 a week between them. Let that sink in. Neither of those players are from the new regime. It will take a while to clear the decks. This is very much a marathon and not a sprint."
I`m intrigued as to how some posters are privy to the salaries of individual players in our squad.
Genuine question. Is this information freely available in the public domain, or are these said posters friends or relatives of these players? If it’s the latter, I`d imagine the players concerned would be less than chuffed to have this information splashed on this forum.
Or perhaps it`s pure guesswork? 🤔
It`s not readily available GG. You only have to be friends with one or two of the players to know. And before everyone jumps on and says "that`s confidential" etc we all know in reality that work mates talk and people find out salaries. Is it really hard to believe that he earns around £100 an hour for a working week? I know what everyone earns at my work. I shouldn`t but I do. I also know it was a sore point for me back at the start of my tenure when I earned much less than some colleagues.
It took a long time to secure CK`s services at the start if we recall and there was a good reason for that. He was training with us for quite some time whilst his agent tried to secure him the most lucrative deal. Mcpake and McKay did this in the end but after the change in management ,even less ability to train and the obvious strict work ethic NL brings you can see why there is a bit of disharmony as a result.
The domino effect now is we are trying to secure JCM as a player and his agent is looking for MORE than CK earns. Whether we are successful in this or even want to commit to such a deal remains to be seen. These businessmen in charge are multimillionaires for a very good reason.
NL`s statements constantly reminding the fans that this will take time is not as simple as him admitting we need better players. It`s also because he wants to build a squad of players with a recognisable structure with a certain amount of parity and possibility of progression for the players.
For what it`s worth I think CK is a superb player and when we do get to see him play, and invariably score, I love it. I wish I could wave a wand that meant he didn`t have the injury issues he does.
Absolute waffle
Agreed, that`s just a load of made up nonsense in general
You`ve both got me. I did in fact make every single bit of that up. I am away to dry my eyes and think about my choices.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary"
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 14 Feb 20:38
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sonofpetrie, Sat 14 Feb 18:00
You`ve both got me. I did in fact make every single bit of that up. I am away to dry my eyes and think about my choices.
Good stuff. I`m pleased you have seen the error of your ways and have owned up to making up porkies
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Topic Originator: sjapar
Date: Sun 15 Feb 00:40
Post Edited (Sun 15 Feb 02:10)
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Sun 15 Feb 01:01
Keep off the sauce pal.As a standite,I can assure you I am not a happy clapper.Please stop insulting fellow season ticket holders ,who have supported this club for decades.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 15 Feb 01:08
When someone close to me tells me something in confidence, I find the best course of action is always to go online and shout my mouth off about it to a bunch of absolute strangers.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Parster
Date: Sun 15 Feb 06:39
Never heard as much pihs in my life gie yourself a shake
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 15 Feb 08:52
What is our ambition? To be competitive in the middle of the premier league? Or to bring through youngsters and make some cash selling them on, or a little of both?
We’re very inconsistent as were a relatively young team and we’re lacking the cutting edge in some key areas. Quite feasible we’ll lose JCM in the summer and possibly Abdulai. Who knows tod might come back onto a game and leave and perhaps Fraser too.
Going to be hard to get the right players in to cover those better players leaving and continue to improve as a team. You need to unearth 2-3 gems each summer who are ready to compete in a physical hard league and make sure the experienced pro’s you have are good enough to take you further up the league.
It’s a hard one, do we continue to invest in youngsters and remain inconsistent or do we prioritise getting the quality in that takes you forward.
To get out of this league you need a core of quality players supplemented by promising youngsters and not promising youngsters supplemented by some quality players.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Sun 15 Feb 09:05
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Berkey, Sun 15 Feb 08:52
What is our ambition? To be competitive in the middle of the premier league? Or to bring through youngsters and make some cash selling them on, or a little of both?
We’re very inconsistent as were a relatively young team and we’re lacking the cutting edge in some key areas. Quite feasible we’ll lose JCM in the summer and possibly Abdulai. Who knows tod might come back onto a game and leave and perhaps Fraser too.
Going to be hard to get the right players in to cover those better players leaving and continue to improve as a team. You need to unearth 2-3 gems each summer who are ready to compete in a physical hard league and make sure the experienced pro’s you have are good enough to take you further up the league.
It’s a hard one, do we continue to invest in youngsters and remain inconsistent or do we prioritise getting the quality in that takes you forward.
To get out of this league you need a core of quality players supplemented by promising youngsters and not promising youngsters supplemented by some quality players.
I think you are correct in this Berkey. The last few seasons have been extremely hard and if we can finish this season well, and I don’t automatically mean a playoff spot, then we will have a clearer vision of what we have to do. But we must not be fighting another relegation battle. I think to see the fruits of Lennon’s and the clubs strategy will only start to become obvious after this season, but agree the core must be seasoned pros, but are some of our youngsters seasoned pros now?
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Topic Originator: KnebworthPar
Date: Sun 15 Feb 09:23
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Berkey, Sun 15 Feb 08:52
What is our ambition? To be competitive in the middle of the premier league? Or to bring through youngsters and make some cash selling them on, or a little of both?
We’re very inconsistent as were a relatively young team and we’re lacking the cutting edge in some key areas. Quite feasible we’ll lose JCM in the summer and possibly Abdulai. Who knows tod might come back onto a game and leave and perhaps Fraser too.
Going to be hard to get the right players in to cover those better players leaving and continue to improve as a team. You need to unearth 2-3 gems each summer who are ready to compete in a physical hard league and make sure the experienced pro’s you have are good enough to take you further up the league.
It’s a hard one, do we continue to invest in youngsters and remain inconsistent or do we prioritise getting the quality in that takes you forward.
To get out of this league you need a core of quality players supplemented by promising youngsters and not promising youngsters supplemented by some quality players.
Well this management and ownership have managed to unearth the gems you mention above in the last 12 months Berky so that’s a pretty good start, who knows they might get even better at it!
Big summer ahead. A number of players out of contract who won’t be getting a new one.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 15 Feb 10:00
Can`t wait til May when all our good players leave & we replace them with crap.
Think I`ll stay in bed, no point getting up.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 15 Feb 11:34
It’s the owners first season. They’ve done works round the stadium, finally kicked out Stephen’s, brought in Neil Lennon, improved the squad and invested heavily in the scouting network.
Nobody came in for our players over the previous two summers apart from Crawley Town or some other nobody diddy team in England bidding for Otoo. We’re now concerned about loosing 3/4/5 players.
What more can the owners and club actually do? to me it looks like they’re doing their best at dealing with the off field issues and are giving the manager the best squad they can.
COYP
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 15 Feb 12:12
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NMCmassive, Sun 15 Feb 11:34
It’s the owners first season. They’ve done works round the stadium, finally kicked out Stephen’s, brought in Neil Lennon, improved the squad and invested heavily in the scouting network.
Nobody came in for our players over the previous two summers apart from Crawley Town or some other nobody diddy team in England bidding for Otoo. We’re now concerned about loosing 3/4/5 players.
What more can the owners and club actually do? to me it looks like they’re doing their best at dealing with the off field issues and are giving the manager the best squad they can.
Can`t believe we`ve found something we agree on 😂
100%. While I`d be keen to keep the majority of the squad, I`m confident Lennon and the club can find replacements.
I`m not in the know in the slightest but the club previously felt like there was a bit of an old pals act going on. Maybe wrong but that`s how I perceived it. New owners seem to be keen to get stuff done.
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Topic Originator: SeasonedPar
Date: Sun 15 Feb 12:22
Our ambition should be in becoming a top 6 club, regularly playing for European places and cup semis or finals.
We have the stadium. We have (nearly) an excellent training ground. We have the manager. We have an ambitious board who’ve put up cash.
Our average attendance last season, with some really poor performances, was 5,500, very similar to St Mirren at 5,700, 9th in the average attendance league, and who have just won the League Cup.
Given we’d have more season ticket sales and walk ups, our opponents in the Premier will bring larger supports, as shown by the recent Hibs game, then that average attendance can only go up. 7,000 might be a reasonable guess if we’re playing well. Better money from tv, sponsorship will add to revenue.
The glass ceiling which makes it so hard for us to get into the top league can be broken next year, if we retain the bulk of our best players, and recruit well instead of using short term unproven loanees with that ridiculous turnover of players every summer. Using sports analysis with Neil Lennon’s final say should help recruitment.
The top league means it’s easier to attract and afford better quality of players, established pros who also help our younger players in their development.
Every club in Scotland is a selling club, and we’d be no different, but we’d get fees when selling players on (not difficult, when was the last time we sold someone for a good fee?), a procession of younger players gaining experience, the means to replace with better quality and possibly greater cash from European games and cup runs. A virtuous circle!
That’s our ambition.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 15 Feb 13:35
^^^^ Great post, SP. Brimming with ambition. 😄
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Sun 15 Feb 15:27
I’d agree with seasoned par, this is pretty much what I’m hoping for long term.
It’ll require a big summer transfer window to get us out of the championship next season but with some of our bigger earners out of contract at the end of the season, it’s all very doable. Get some good experienced (but not over the hill) pros in to compliment our younger squad, some of whom will be be better next year than they have been so far.
We will probably lose JCM if we don’t go up this season (which I don’t think we will) but we can find another RCB somewhere I’m sure.
Getting in the best goalie in the championship and a 20 goal striker in should be our top priorities. Do that, retain most of the rest, we win the champ next season.
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sun 15 Feb 15:42
Superb post SP, totally agree with everything you and N10Y have said 👏🏻
Loving You, Is In My DNA 🇾🇪
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