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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 18 Feb 08:50
Reports of racial abuse aimed at him last night from a Benfica player after excessively celebrating his goal last night. Game delayed for 10 minutes and Mourinho defending Benfica as a club that wouldn’t be racist due to Eusebio being a legend there.
Is he the only one reporting racial abuse, or is he receiving more due to his on-field actions? Or, potentially, does he report any sort of insult as a racial slur?
Im 100% not defending the potential abuser here, as an investigation will naturally have to take place, but in the words of Balotelli “why always him?”
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Wed 18 Feb 08:56
The player allegedly making the comments pulling his shirt up over his mouth before anything is "said" certainly isnt a great look.
Unless anyone else around has heard it then its a case of 2 peoples polar opposite accounts and no evidence so very hard to determine an outcome.
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Topic Originator: TrancePar
Date: Wed 18 Feb 08:59
He`s not the only black player to have claimed these things are still happening in world football. Maybe it`s just getting more publicity because of the level he`s at. I really doubt he`s making the claims up. he has every right to celebrate his goal without having to endure racial abuse.
Life is made of small moments like these
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 18 Feb 10:01
Quote:
TrancePar, Wed 18 Feb 08:59
He`s not the only black player to have claimed these things are still happening in world football. Maybe it`s just getting more publicity because of the level he`s at. I really doubt he`s making the claims up. he has every right to celebrate his goal without having to endure racial abuse.
Good post, TrancePar.
I wouldn`t say every player dishing out racial abuse is necessarily racist, but they leave themselves wide open to the charge. Some will just be looking to wind up their opponent to put him off his game or maybe even get him red carded. Making racist remarks is completely on another level from having a go at an opponent who has a big nose or red hair, however, even if the intention is the same.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Wed 18 Feb 10:25
Quote:
GG Riva, Wed 18 Feb 10:01
Quote:
TrancePar, Wed 18 Feb 08:59
He`s not the only black player to have claimed these things are still happening in world football. Maybe it`s just getting more publicity because of the level he`s at. I really doubt he`s making the claims up. he has every right to celebrate his goal without having to endure racial abuse.
Good post, TrancePar.
I wouldn`t say every player dishing out racial abuse is necessarily racist, but they leave themselves wide open to the charge. Some will just be looking to wind up their opponent to put him off his game or maybe even get him red carded. Making racist remarks is completely on another level from having a go at an opponent who has a big nose or red hair, however, even if the intention is the same.
^^^ Every level of dished out racial abuse is 100% racist.
We must never fall into any trap that that dictates otherwise. This will be ill-educated
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 18 Feb 14:17
"I wouldn`t say every player dishing out racial abuse is necessarily racist, but they leave themselves wide open to the charge. Some will just be looking to wind up their opponent to put him off his game or maybe even get him red carded. Making racist remarks is completely on another level from having a go at an opponent who has a big nose or red hair, however, even if the intention is the same."
"^^ Every level of dished out racial abuse is 100% racist.
We must never fall into any trap that that dictates otherwise. This will be ill-educated".
Of course, racial abuse is racist, Dave. I wasn’t arguing or excusing it. I`m suggesting that sometimes the intention can be to try and put an opponent off his game. It`s a stupid and ill-advised tactic, but some footballers can be guilty of opening their mouths without thinking.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Gareth Keenan Investigates
Date: Wed 18 Feb 15:47
‘ I wouldn`t say every player dishing out racial abuse is necessarily racist’
Is this a mistake?
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Topic Originator: Turps
Date: Wed 18 Feb 17:30
Should be zero tolerance. Nothing else comes in to the equation (celebrations, antagonising opposition etc.)
Racism is racism and should never be justified.
Post Edited (Wed 18 Feb 17:30)
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Topic Originator: Leamington_sPAR
Date: Wed 18 Feb 21:03
I see that Benfica are defending their player, ultimately unless there was a 3rd party who heard what was said it’s looking unlikely any charge can be successful.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 18 Feb 21:38
Quote:
Gareth Keenan Investigates, Wed 18 Feb 15:47
‘ I wouldn`t say every player dishing out racial abuse is necessarily racist’
Is this a mistake?
Nah, some players are idiots rather than racist idiots. Not suggesting they should be given a free ride. Some players who give out racial abuse have black players as teammates, with whom they get on perfectly well......
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Wed 18 Feb 22:47
Quote:
GG Riva, Wed 18 Feb 21:38
Quote:
Gareth Keenan Investigates, Wed 18 Feb 15:47
‘ I wouldn`t say every player dishing out racial abuse is necessarily racist’
Is this a mistake?
Nah, some players are idiots rather than racist idiots. Not suggesting they should be given a free ride. Some players who give out racial abuse have black players as teammates, with whom they get on perfectly well......
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Having coloured friends/teammates is not insurance against racist abuse, idiot or not.
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 19 Feb 06:25
We might just have to agree to disagree, Dave. Maybe I`m not explaining myself very well. Racial abuse is racial abuse - no argument.
Some players are racist and dish out racial abuse. Others will do whatever they can to upset an opponent by pouncing on their physical appearance. I used red hair or a big nose as examples further up. Some will also include skin tone - not at all clever, but it`s naive to think that some players will not do anything to get an edge during a game if they can get away with it.
I`m not for a second suggesting it`s in any way acceptable and players who are guilty of making racial slurs should be hammered (and educated) whether they are inherently racist or not, since there`s no way of knowing their innermost thoughts.
Where do you stand on sectarian abuse? Is it racist to call someone a Fenian b or an Orange b? These insults are commonplace at Scottish football matches when some prominent teams are playing. Are the Irish a different "race" from Scots, or is skin tone the only yardstick.
I`m of the opinion that there`s no such thing as "race" - it`s just a term invented to segregate people. We`re all members of the human race and any other claim is seriously flawed and only adopted by the hard of thinking.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Thu 19 Feb 08:11
I’d stop GG, you’re digging yourself a fair bit of a hole.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 19 Feb 08:23
When was genetics discarded?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Thu 19 Feb 09:42
Sectarian abuse is the absolute pits as it`s one person`s hatred for another`s set of beliefs.
It`s illogical and utterly stupid.
I suspect the vast majority of culprits don`t even know what they are angry about or the history behind it. It seems bred into them.
All because Henry VIII fancied Anne 🙄
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Thu 19 Feb 14:27
I understand the point GG Riva is saying. Sledging. That used to be a big part of professional sport, trying to get under the skin of your opponent, wind them up, make them lose their composure, their focus. Think of the Merv Hughes inspired Aussie cricket teams of the past. It`s not nice, but it`s sport, some want to win so much they will do and say anything that`ll give them an advantage.
I`ve been on the end of abuse for my appearance, race, in the past, and it`s just words
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Thu 19 Feb 15:55
I don’t particularly like Vini but accusations sounds pretty damning and the defence particularly weak in ESPN reporting;
“Real Madrid`s Kylian Mbappé told Spanish TVE after Tuesday`s game that he and other players heard Prestianni say "that Vini is a monkey five times".
Benfica argued that Madrid players could not have heard alleged racist abuse because of the noise at the stadium and the distance between the players.”
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 19 Feb 17:02
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Thu 19 Feb 08:23
When was genetics discarded?
"All humans share approximately 99.9% of their genetic makeup. While the entire genome consists of 3 billion base pairs, only a tiny fraction (0.1%) varies between individuals, accounting for differences in physical characteristics and disease susceptibility. This 99.9% similarity applies to any two human beings, confirming that all humans are remarkably identical."
We`re all the same, imo. If we all thought this way and acted accordingly, instead of looking for irrelevant differences to pigeonhole people, the world would be a better place.
Thanks, for understanding the point I was trying to get across, red star. and explaining it much better. Look, it could be that every single person who makes a racist remark is a racist but I believe there are exceptions that can be attributed to ignorance and stupidity.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Thu 19 Feb 17:11
Quote:
GG Riva, Thu 19 Feb 17:02
Quote:
Dandy Warhol, Thu 19 Feb 08:23
When was genetics discarded?
"All humans share approximately 99.9% of their genetic makeup. While the entire genome consists of 3 billion base pairs, only a tiny fraction (0.1%) varies between individuals, accounting for differences in physical characteristics and disease susceptibility. This 99.9% similarity applies to any two human beings, confirming that all humans are remarkably identical."
We`re all the same, imo. If we all thought this way and acted accordingly, instead of looking for irrelevant differences to pigeonhole people, the world would be a better place.
Thanks, for understanding the point I was trying to get across, red star. and explaining it much better. Look, it could be that every single person who makes a racist remark is a racist but I believe there are exceptions that can be attributed to ignorance and stupidity.
I agree with what you said here and previously.
Abuse, whether from the stands or on the pitch is primarily to invoke a reaction.
Yes, there are actual racists.
East Europeans are famous for it but in general terms, it is done to try gain an advantage.
A good example was back in the 80’s Victor Kasule had a bag of banana skins thrown at him while playing for Albion Rovers against us.
The very same fans who abused him would later say “I hope he signs for us
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: BouncyPar
Date: Thu 19 Feb 17:52
Seriously, wtf is it with people trying to justify any sort of racist abuse?
I understand sledging in sport, and I understand the banter that takes place on and off the field.
But, and some of you need to read this carefully a few times, any form of racism is racism. Racial abuse is racism. Racial banter is racism. Unintended racial comments are racist. Playful racism is racism. Racial comments designed to put someone off their game is racism.
The same goes for all other prejudicial action.
There isn`t a place for any of it any more.
Please don`t try and justify it by saying we are all 99.9% the same, or it isn`t meant maliciously, or it`s only banter, or it`s part of the game.
It`s wrong. It isn`t acceptable in any form. This isn`t open to discussion any more. This is 2026, and there is no acceptable racism, intentional or not.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 19 Feb 18:08
^^^ That comes across as quite a patronising post, Bouncy. Literally, nobody, least of all me, is trying to defend or justify racism. It is loathsome and I agree there`s no place for it in this day and age. My comment that we are all the same (below the skin) wasn`t an attempt to justify racism or racial abuse. Rather, it`s a criticism of those who look for minute details to exaggerate the differences in people born in different parts of the world. I said there`s only one race - the human race - and I firmly believe that. I also said that anyone found guilty of making a racist slur, should be hammered, whether it was intended as such or not.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: BouncyPar
Date: Thu 19 Feb 18:19
Gg - Read your previous comments on this post. You (and you aren`t alone) may not have meant to, but you have come across poorly in this thread. Your comments could easily be interpreted as justifying the abuse as an attempt to put the player off his game, rather than explicit racial hatred.
There can be no justification in this type of abuse.
I read that you continue to claim that you are against it, however each of your posts go on to offer several situations or reasons why it may be acceptable, it`s sledging, the person may not be aware, there`s only 1 race.
It is wrong, that`s all that needs to be said. If we call it out, it`ll eventually stop. If we make excuses and allowances , it`ll continue.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 20 Feb 07:02
Gee, how did we get to this point? Maybe I should have taken Berry`s wise advice yesterday and bowed out, but I`m a stubborn kind of guy when I`m convinced I`m in the right and my views have been misinterpreted. Maybe that`s my fault for not making my comments completely unambiguous, but you can`t always guess how those reading your posts will interpret them.
This all kicked off when I posted, "I wouldn`t say that every player who makes a racist comment is necessarily racist, but they leave themselves open to the charge." I`ve highlighted the key word in that sentence. I didn`t quantify it in any way, so that number could be extremely tiny or even 0. I`d never heard the term "sledging" before red star used it on this thread, but that`s exactly what I was on about. It`s a very extreme form of cheating in sport that unscrupulous players will use to gain an advantage. For them, the end justifies the means. For fellow posters to claim that I was using this as an argument to justify racist abuse or render it acceptable is very judgemental and well wide of the mark.
How many of us have howled in anger and frustration when the Pars are a goal down in
the closing minutes and an opposing player goes down in a heap and the ref waves the team doctor on? Maybe 99% of the time, it`s a ploy to waste another few minutes to eke out the win, but very rarely, the player in question is genuinely injured, yet none of us even considered the possibility.
As for my contention that "we`re all the same (beneath the skin)" being another attempt to excuse racist abuse, wow! I was pointing out that the physical differences among humans from all over the globe are so trivial that it`s quite bizarre that some moronic individuals want to highlight with their ignorant views.
I hope that has clarified my views and regret any upset caused to other posters.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Fri 20 Feb 08:53
^^^ Well clarified GG
I agree that sometimes what you write down is not necessarily what is read in return and misinterpretations occur.
When the topic of conversation is red raw and the culprit glaringly wrong it can be quite controversial to suggest alterior theories.
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Fri 20 Feb 10:52
Quote:
P, Thu 19 Feb 15:55
I don’t particularly like Vini but accusations sounds pretty damning and the defence particularly weak in ESPN reporting;
“Real Madrid`s Kylian Mbappé told Spanish TVE after Tuesday`s game that he and other players heard Prestianni say "that Vini is a monkey five times".
Benfica argued that Madrid players could not have heard alleged racist abuse because of the noise at the stadium and the distance between the players.”
I mean tbh, idk because no one reacts apart from vini, if he hears it their and then, and he knows what was said, why doesnt he react, just wondering
COYP
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 20 Feb 15:29
I think we all understood the point GG was trying to make so let`s get off our high horses on that regard. As for the actual incident involving Vini J , who as a footballer I think is massively overrated, I think there is little doubt the Benfica player said something racist to him. The player has said something along the lines of `I`m sorry if Vini has misinterpreted what I said". Well then to clear it up tell us what you said and we can all make our own minds up as to how it could have been misconstrued.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Fri 20 Feb 16:28
The fact that he hasn’t divulged what he did say, is another admission of guilt. He’s 20 and clearly a wee Fanny. A long ban might help to teach him a life lesson ?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Fri 20 Feb 18:43
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Fri 20 Feb 16:28
The fact that he hasn’t divulged what he did say, is another admission of guilt. He’s 20 and clearly a wee Fanny. A long ban might help to teach him a life lesson ?
Quite judgemental that, nobody knows what was said, even if he says what he said, he wont be believed, how is he clearly a wee fanny? I would argue u could say the same about andy tod
COYP
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