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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 21 Feb 20:07
The man hasn`t been here for a year.
He took over a very poorly performing team, saved them from relegation, then in his first full year gets them to a cup quarter final, beating a top Premier league side, manages a win and a draw against the expected champions and has us challenging for the playoffs.
He loses a few games and the sack the manager fanatics are back.
Yep that`s a sure way to make progress. Just sack the manager Every year, or even twice a year.
It really is difficult biting your tongue on here sometimes.
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Sat 21 Feb 20:21
But as usual its down to the manner of the defeats, the seemingly lack of fight, mistakes pretty much every week, clueless on the park more times than not.
So you can see why, maybe ?
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 21 Feb 21:09
Yeah Lenny does great but then we lose a few games and we’re on his back….
We have lost 46% of our league games this season. Despite one of the biggest budgets. He has to turn this around and fast.
They players have gone backwards since the start of the season, perhaps they have had enough of him shouting at them and blaming the ref etc?
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 21 Feb 21:13
Quote:
Gaz3822, Sat 21 Feb 20:21
But as usual its down to the manner of the defeats, the seemingly lack of fight, mistakes pretty much every week, clueless on the park more times than not.
So you can see why, maybe ?
I can`t blame the anger and frustration but, sack him? Behave.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 21 Feb 21:15
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 21 Feb 21:09
Yeah Lenny does great but then we lose a few games and we’re on his back….
We have lost 46% of our league games this season. Despite one of the biggest budgets. He has to turn this around and fast.
They players have gone backwards since the start of the season, perhaps they have had enough of him shouting at them and blaming the ref etc?
Was he wrong?
Was it a penalty?
Did we miss good chances?
Were the goals individual errors?
Has he a right to be frustrated too?
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Topic Originator: par_33
Date: Sat 21 Feb 21:15
How you can hold Lenny to account for Terrell being beat in the air by 4ft Ryan Dow and Mehmet punching the ball into his own net is baffling.
Some of our fan base are morons. Yes it’s been very disappointing since St Johnstone away. But up till then the players n NL were the best thing since sliced bread. Football fans really are fickle.
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Sat 21 Feb 21:20
Both our goalkeepers got caught out and that is their job?
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Sat 21 Feb 21:21
I`ve never said sack him.
But I can understand why people have.
Because of who he is, I`m hoping he finds solutions to get us out this mess before its too late.
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Topic Originator: Parsfangaz
Date: Sat 21 Feb 21:28
Quote:
par_33, Sat 21 Feb 21:15
How you can hold Lenny to account for Terrell being beat in the air by 4ft Ryan Dow and Mehmet punching the ball into his own net is baffling.
Some of our fan base are morons. Yes it’s been very disappointing since St Johnstone away. But up till then the players n NL were the best thing since sliced bread. Football fans really are fickle.
he gave one of them a new 2 year deal
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Topic Originator: wulliepar57
Date: Sat 21 Feb 21:31
I think we have all seen Billy Terrell on numerous occasions coming off his line when there has been cover and in the past he has been lucky to get away with it and today I agree with NL what was he doing only he will know , As for Deniz well we know he is a bombscare and at anytime throughout a game can cost you the points , and the probable reason we do not have a decent goalkeeper is because of Deniz getting a 3 year deal , take these mistakes out of the game today and more clinical finishing and its a different story we would all be happy tonight
lets hope we buck up for Tuesday Night , because we need to turn this around quickly and get back on track
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 21 Feb 21:32
Quote:
Gaz3822, Sat 21 Feb 21:21
I`ve never said sack him.
But I can understand why people have.
Because of who he is, I`m hoping he finds solutions to get us out this mess before its too late.
We are 6 pts clear of the bottom with 1 or 2 games in hand.
We are 4 pts away from forth.
It really isnt great, but it isnt the mess you are making out.
3 losses in a row can make it look worse than it is though.
I think we need to get behind them rather than kick them when they are obviously down.
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Topic Originator: Never10yairds
Date: Sat 21 Feb 21:33
I’ve been critical of the way Lenny set the team up at times but today wasn’t one of them. We looked decent, created chances and caused Arbroath some problems.
The switch to 442 worked.
We lost today because of criminal goalkeeping and not taking some very good chances, we were also denied a stonewall penalty.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sat 21 Feb 21:38
I think sometimes folk underestimate the Championship and how difficult it is to put together a team to challenge at the top end.
Up until we sacked Allan Johnson I used to think it was our divine right to be pushing for promotion. Two relegations to League 1 have taught me that it`s a really difficult task to make a top four, or a title-winning team. It has made me realise that either Allan Johnson was a better manager than he got credit for, or the Champ`ship has become harder year by year since those days.
I agree with PARrot, that Lennon has had quite a hard gig. Some of the things he has tried in good faith have just not come good. For example, he probably had every right to think that Wanyama and Caceres were going to star in our team. Maybe he also had a right to expect that Amade could boss midfield, which hasn`t happened. Getting Barney was a masterstroke, but I`m pretty sure NL said of him, `he`s maybe been too good` - meaning there was no way after he became a goal machine we`d be able to sign him. Now he`s gone and Rudden`s out, they`re both significant losses. John Tod was a player who liked to carry the ball forward, but he`s been off form for a while. Andrew`s been off form, and others.
Against Morton, with Tash injured and - was it Ngwenya? suspended - we only had 18 outfield players and that`s including the likes of Bray and McLeod who are not established first team choices. On top of all that - we`ve lost our captain - is Bene going to feature again - Hammy was good for bit but he`s off form.
So it goes on...
And while NL has had those and more things to overcome, every game we have is against a hard team out to win. They have their problems as well and I`m as tired as anyone of hearing our players, management and dotnetters saying `we need this and we need to do that` - just do it.
Post Edited (Sat 21 Feb 21:41)
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Sat 21 Feb 21:41
Quote:
PARrot, Sat 21 Feb 20:07
The man hasn`t been here for a year.
He took over a very poorly performing team, saved them from relegation, then in his first full year gets them to a cup quarter final, beating a top Premier league side, manages a win and a draw against the expected champions and has us challenging for the playoffs.
He loses a few games and the sack the manager fanatics are back.
Yep that`s a sure way to make progress. Just sack the manager Every year, or even twice a year.
It really is difficult biting your tongue on here sometimes.
💯
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Topic Originator: Jealous Furniture
Date: Sat 21 Feb 22:02
I like Lennon, and there`s absolutely no way he`ll get sacked, but to say he saved us from relegation last year is giving him a bit too much credit, we really limped over the line there & Hamilton did us a favour with the points deduction.
The last 3 league games have been defeats, and yes, we beat Raith and St Johnstone before that, but the 4 games previous to the Raith game were loss, loss, draw, loss. That`s 7 points from the last 9 games...
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 21 Feb 22:10
We are half way tgrough a season with a young squad. I accept tgis is probably a 3 year project to build a team tgat can compete for promotion and more importantly stay up. These are early ups and downs, and for me its about being transparent and honest about where we are along the road and focus on the key aspects of our game that needs to improve. Refereeing may be an issue, but the referee isnt losing us goals or stopping us scoring goals. Its wasted effort to go on about it and its a distraction. Its about no excuses - rwo poor goalkeeping errors that cost the game and not taking our chances.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Sat 21 Feb 22:28
Everyone goes on about it being a project and taking a few years. Did nobody tell John McGlynn that when he took Falkirk from League 1 to top 6 in the premiership in 2 years?
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Topic Originator: parak obama
Date: Sat 21 Feb 22:29
Quote:
PARrot, Sat 21 Feb 21:32
We are 6 pts clear of the bottom with 1 or 2 games in hand.
We are 4 pts away from forth.
It really isnt great, but it isnt the mess you are making out.
3 losses in a row can make it look worse than it is though.
I think we need to get behind them rather than kick them when they are obviously down.
Spot on, spot on
[IMG]https://share2.co.uk/f/1152_471_P300411_16.49_[02].jpg[/IMG]
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 21 Feb 22:33
I thought the two goals we lost were goalkeeping errors. Its important to be honest about that otherwise you are masking the problem. His comments were out of frustration in the moment and hence the tone was a bit harsh. We have lost games this season due to such errors so the frustration is understandable.
The game has gone so its on to Tuesday and hopefully a winning performance.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 21 Feb 22:40
`Everyone goes on about it being a project and taking a few years. Did nobody tell John McGlynn that when he took Falkirk from League 1 to top 6 in the premiership in 2 years?`
They had two seasons in League 1 followed by one in the Championship did they not? No doubt there were fans calling for his head during his first season.
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Sat 21 Feb 23:19
Quote:
CrossPar, Sat 21 Feb 22:28
Everyone goes on about it being a project and taking a few years. Did nobody tell John McGlynn that when he took Falkirk from League 1 to top 6 in the premiership in 2 years?
It took him three seasons in division 1 to get them out
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Sat 21 Feb 23:37
And we all know that the championship is much tougher to get out of than the 1st division and he managed that in one year and has taken them into the top 6. What I am saying is it is achievable with an astute manager, the correct signings and tactics. Sadly, we are lacking in some of those areas.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 21 Feb 23:45
How many clubs fans, RIGHT NOW, can say they are 100% happy with their team, manager and players? Hearts, Motherwell and Falkirk and the Arbroath fans. Bet the rest have these inquests every other Saturday night just like us. There`s not many astute managers kicking around out of work.
Be careful what you wish for..
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Sat 21 Feb 23:45)
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Sun 22 Feb 00:01
Quote:
CrossPar, Sat 21 Feb 23:37
And we all know that the championship is much tougher to get out of than the 1st division and he managed that in one year and has taken them into the top 6. What I am saying is it is achievable with an astute manager, the correct signings and tactics. Sadly, we are lacking in some of those areas.
It took him 3 seasons to get out of division one, he stuck to his principles and built a team capable of winning in the championship and the board at Falkirk stuck behind him. NL is still building from a weak position. If he’s still in this position next year and there is no further progress then you might have a point but until then, patience and support are the order of the day.
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Topic Originator: parsfan97
Date: Sun 22 Feb 00:04
Mcglynn only took 2 seasons at Falkirk for league one , his 1st season was when we won the league
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 22 Feb 03:10
Quote:
CrossPar, Sat 21 Feb 23:37
And we all know that the championship is much tougher to get out of than the 1st division and he managed that in one year and has taken them into the top 6. What I am saying is it is achievable with an astute manager, the correct signings and tactics. Sadly, we are lacking in some of those areas.
Yes, precisely. He did that with a team he took 3 years to build.
Guess what we are trying to do.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sun 22 Feb 03:53
According to wiki, McGlynn took over at Falkirk a day after the 2021-22 season ended.Unlike NL, McGlynn would have had the summer window and full pre-season when he started.
The following season 2022 - 23 we won league 1.
The season after that, 2023-24, Falkirk were undefeated champions.
So it took McGlynn two full seasons to get out of League 1, and then straight up from the Champ`ship in one season.
I`d say he excelled, and is continuing to impress in the Premiership. Credit where it`s due.
Our circumstances were different. We won league 1 with McPake, but it was a slog, unlike when we won it in style with FEB back in ye olde days.
I think it`s fair to say that McGlynn`s in a different bracket than McPake as a manager. He`s had more experience and success than any of NL`s predecessors: McPake, Grant, Hughes, Tidser. You could go back a long way to find a Pars manager who could match McGlynn.
Even aside from the ownership situation, is it any wonder, after the managerial difficulties we`ve had that when NL came in it was to a `ship` that was near belly up.
I agree with WarringtonPar: "NL is still building from a weak position. If he’s still in this position next year and there is no further progress then you might have a point but until then, patience and support are the order of the day."
Post Edited (Sun 22 Feb 04:01)
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 22 Feb 09:36
McGlynn hasn`t exactly had a glowing managerial career, he had several failed appointments prior to where he is now.
It doesn`t seem that long ago when he was being mocked on this forum, being called "the penguin" whilst in charge at Kirkcaldy.
Some on here have short memories!
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sun 22 Feb 14:05
He`s done well for a penguin then. Maybe PARrot would make a good manager for us?
Aye we`re all hurtin`, Lochgelly.
I logged on and first thing I saw is yesterday`s score. I had tae grit ma teeth. It`s as bad as bein` at the bl**dy dentist!
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Topic Originator: Bucuresti Par
Date: Mon 23 Feb 12:23
Lennon`s record with us is pretty poor, he`s had a decent amount of time and what seems to be a pretty decent budget as well. It is understandable that fans are frustrated that we lose frequently to mediocre outfits like Arbroath, Morton, Airdrie etc
I `d give him more time as there have been some flashes of improvement, but he needs to get us winning more games (at home especially) and moving up the table. In the summer, the squad needs an overhaul but in the meantime he needs to get more out of what he got as there is still plenty to play for and this squad should be doing better.
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Topic Originator: KnebworthPar
Date: Mon 23 Feb 12:33
Quote:
WarringtonPar, Sat 21 Feb 21:41
Quote:
PARrot, Sat 21 Feb 20:07
The man hasn`t been here for a year.
He took over a very poorly performing team, saved them from relegation, then in his first full year gets them to a cup quarter final, beating a top Premier league side, manages a win and a draw against the expected champions and has us challenging for the playoffs.
He loses a few games and the sack the manager fanatics are back.
Yep that`s a sure way to make progress. Just sack the manager Every year, or even twice a year.
It really is difficult biting your tongue on here sometimes.
💯
Absolutely this.
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Topic Originator: summeragent
Date: Mon 23 Feb 12:43
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 21 Feb 23:45
How many clubs fans, RIGHT NOW, can say they are 100% happy with their team, manager and players? Hearts, Motherwell and Falkirk and the Arbroath fans. Bet the rest have these inquests every other Saturday night just like us. There`s not many astute managers kicking around out of work.
Be careful what you wish for..
Don’t forget Stenhousemuir 👆🤔
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Mon 23 Feb 14:08
"this squad should be doing better"
not for me, its pretty much where i expected to be, the odd good result now and again but nowhere near the level to maintain it over a long period and be established in the top 4. tying in to the budget point, far too many players from the previous regimes still here that hopefully will be gone in the summer unless similar mistakes from last summer are made.
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Mon 23 Feb 14:51
To be fair - we created enough chances to win two games, but were undone with the usual poor finishing and ‘unfortunate’ goalkeeping errors.
Arbroath were nothing special, but sticking a corner right into the 6 yard box (yes! Beating the first defender, which is a particularly annoying failure we seem to have had for some time) plus a willingness to get the ball forward and shoot on sight, can pay dividends.
Another day and we are winning that match.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 23 Feb 15:27
It`s quite ironic that prior to Saturday`s match the big talking point on here was the lack of goals and the absence of a regular goalscorer but we really lost the game due to poor defending. That`s the first time we`ve lost four goals in a League game this season I think. Usually if you score a couple of goals away from home you can be confident of picking up at least one point.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Mon 23 Feb 16:44
wee eck wrote:
> It`s quite ironic that prior to Saturday`s match the big
> talking point on here was the lack of goals and the absence of
> a regular goalscorer but we really lost the game due to poor
> defending. That`s the first time we`ve lost four goals in a
> League game this season I think. Usually if you score a couple
> of goals away from home you can be confident of picking up at
> least one point.
>
>
Isn`t it just, when for weeks the consensus on here is that having 3 centre backs with two holding types in front meant we didn`t create enough, who`d have thought having less defensive players on the pitch might actually lead to more opportunities
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Topic Originator: Bucuresti Par
Date: Mon 23 Feb 16:53
Arbroath didn`t have more opportunities though, in open play they barely threated us. The first goal was a long punt that should have been dealt with, the second a free-kick and the third a corner. The fourth a counter attack than can happen when you are pushing more players forward at the death trying to grab an equaliser.
We conceded a lot more chances from open play against Morton, but got away with it thanks to poor finishing and a few great saves from Terrell. And that was with a more defensive line up.
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Mon 23 Feb 17:52
Morton had a 4 on 3 on nearly every attack because the line up was too attacking if anything. Arbroath did have fewer chances but so did we if the stats on BBC`s site are correct and the best of those chances was probably Tod`s and that came from a defender clearing it off another defender.
dont be surprised with Ngwenya available tomorrow if its a back 3 again.
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Mon 23 Feb 18:10
Quote:
Bucuresti Par, Mon 23 Feb 16:53
Arbroath didn`t have more opportunities though, in open play they barely threated us. The first goal was a long punt that should have been dealt with, the second a free-kick and the third a corner. The fourth a counter attack than can happen when you are pushing more players forward at the death trying to grab an equaliser.
We conceded a lot more chances from open play against Morton, but got away with it thanks to poor finishing and a few great saves from Terrell. And that was with a more defensive line up.
I was referencing us creating more opportunities due to having less defensive players on the pitch.
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Topic Originator: Bucuresti Par
Date: Mon 23 Feb 19:09
Westies squint kicks wrote:
> Quote:
Bucuresti Par, Mon 23 Feb 16:53
>
> Arbroath didn`t have more opportunities though, in open play
> they barely threated us. The first goal was a long punt that
> should have been dealt with, the second a free-kick and the
> third a corner. The fourth a counter attack than can happen
> when you are pushing more players forward at the death trying
> to grab an equaliser.
>
> We conceded a lot more chances from open play against Morton,
> but got away with it thanks to poor finishing and a few great
> saves from Terrell. And that was with a more defensive line
> up.
>
> I was referencing us creating more opportunities due to having
> less defensive players on the pitch.
My bad, I didn`t read that very accurately then!
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Topic Originator: Parster
Date: Mon 23 Feb 19:13
Some people are deluded on here we were never going to be consistent enough to mount a prolonged promotion bid we have improved we may well sneak into playoffs but make no mistakes about it at this moment in time we are nowhere good enough to go up
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Tue 24 Feb 12:35
Quote:
Parsfangaz, Sat 21 Feb 21:28
Quote:
par_33, Sat 21 Feb 21:15
How you can hold Lenny to account for Terrell being beat in the air by 4ft Ryan Dow and Mehmet punching the ball into his own net is baffling.
Some of our fan base are morons. Yes it’s been very disappointing since St Johnstone away. But up till then the players n NL were the best thing since sliced bread. Football fans really are fickle.
he gave one of them a new 2 year deal
What’s that got to do with the keeper in question being beaten in the air by a midget?
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