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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sun 1 Mar 15:20
Apologies if this has been suggested before, but I was just watching a video regarding a VAR handball decision during Burnley v Brentford. Gabby Logan asks Shearer, `What d`you think would simplify it?` Shearer says, if it`s deliberate [handball] or not. I disagree - a far easier solution would be to put a time limit on all VAR decisions.
If it`s a clear and obvious mistake by the ref, there`s no reason on earth why it should take more than, say, one minute. If no decision is reached after one minute, then you would stick with the ref`s first onfield call.
What is so difficult about enforcing `clear and obvious?` Is it not obvious? A brief time limit would tell you categorically if any ref`s decision was a clear and obvious mistake or not, and then no-one need interpret anything.
Post Edited (Sun 01 Mar 15:29)
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 1 Mar 15:42
Quote:
onandupthepars, Sun 1 Mar 15:20
Apologies if this has been suggested before, but I was just watching a video regarding a VAR handball decision during Burnley v Brentford. Gabby Logan asks Shearer, `What d`you think would simplify it?` Shearer says, if it`s deliberate [handball] or not. I disagree - a far easier solution would be to put a time limit on all VAR decisions.
If it`s a clear and obvious mistake by the ref, there`s no reason on earth why it should take more than, say, one minute. If no decision is reached after one minute, then you would stick with the ref`s first onfield call.
What is so difficult about enforcing `clear and obvious?` Is it not obvious? A brief time limit would tell you categorically if any ref`s decision was a clear and obvious mistake or not, and then no-one need interpret anything.
Agreed.
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Sun 1 Mar 15:53
I`ve been blethering on for ages about this... VAR gets 10 seconds to decide one way or the other... and if no clear decision can be made in that time it defaults to, e.g. the attacking team in terms of offside, no penalty awarded etc. Saves this ludicrous extended scientific investigation into whether the guys pinky was ahead of the other guy`s butt cheek.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sun 1 Mar 16:39
Yeh, Milos, why are the blithering idiots in charge not doing it?
Now that I`ve done a wee bit of research, I see that NOT all refs decisions are subject to the `clear and obvious` rule.
According to AI, they have prioritised accuracy over speed in making the decisions, but that doesn`t make sense. If accuracy was the top priority, then ALL refs decisions should be subject to checking. It could go on in the background continuously - always with a time limit - and when it`s not obvious then the VAR should just shut their geggies.
As things stand, there are several decisions every match that the ref gets wrong and VAR doesn`t intervene, so I don`t buy the idea that the main concern is accuracy. It may be so regarding offsides at the atomic level,
but such decisions make VAR absurd.
I would prioritise FAIRNESS over accuracy, and it`s absurd to think that being offside by the size of an atom allows a player an unfair advantage. Is that not supposed to be what rules are for - fairness?
Apparently a time limit has been debated, about which AI says:
`While some, like former player Danny Murphy, have suggested time limits to improve the "spectacle" it is generally considered that a time limit might result in more wrong decisions.`
Are they just spineless, hidebound, bureaucratic maggots?
Post Edited (Sun 01 Mar 16:41)
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 1 Mar 17:20
Just watching Chelsea v Arsenal and the corners are getting like a wrestling match, do the refs not see any infringements?
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sun 1 Mar 17:38
A 10 second rule makes no sense at all. You`d be able to watch lla maximum of 2 camera angles of any incident in that time.
The important thing is getting the right decision, regardless of time. The issue is VAR getting involved in incidents that dont require it, but that`s on the refs using it rather than the system itself.
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Sun 1 Mar 17:55
Challenge flag - each team can use it once, maybe twice each half for VAR review of an incident.
Offside - bring in "margin of error". For the onfield decision to be overturned, it has to be wrong by a certain amount based on typical human error. Gives the linesmen back their responsibility, stops decisions being overturned because of a baw hair.
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Topic Originator: BouncyPar
Date: Sun 1 Mar 18:21
I`d make the offside decisions be viewed at real speed, without pausing, adding lines, frame-by-frame replays.
Give the VAR crew the ability to watch the incident from however many cameras are on that area, but they need to watch it in the speed it`s played, without zooming in and taking 2 minutes to decide if player A has a toenail past player B.
Also, I`d limit all VAR decisions to 10 or 15 seconds, and if a ruling can`t be made within that timescale then the on-field call stands.
I`d much rather have a bad decision go against me now and again if it meant the return to old common sense refereeing.
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Sun 1 Mar 19:15
Some good posts ^^^
How about limiting the number of VAR appeals to three and must be submitted by the captain of each team.
If it fails = Strike one
Leaving two appeals left
It it succeeds then all three appeals remain in place.
No time limit set on refs as it is hard enough with the pressure
The handball needs to be reviewed by FIFA and ratified that it must and should be deliberate before be penalised
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sun 1 Mar 19:22
Clear & obvious, I like, it’s what we were all told that VAR was being brought in for.
As soon as you have to slow it down, or put lines up, you are not seeing it in the eyes of the players on the pitch…so to speak.
Deliberately handling the ball, I also like. At the end of the day, you have to have that deliberate act to gain an advantage. If there’s no deliberate intent, like back in the pre-var days, then it’s not hand ball.
We are over complicated VAR and the rules.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Sun 1 Mar 19:51
Give it 18-36 months VAR decisions will be made in real time by AI anyway.
Post Edited (Sun 01 Mar 19:52)
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Sun 1 Mar 20:12
Var and now AI…why have any humans making their own decisions now? The times of “we all can make mistakes” are gone as we are controlled by computers and it’s only going to get worse…
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Topic Originator: Connor560
Date: Sun 1 Mar 20:34
Have said since the start, VAR should get 30 seconds to look - if nothing is decisive in terms of the decision then the referee gets 30 seconds so maximum of 1 minute.
C'mon Ye Pars!
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