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Topic Originator: piepar
Date: Fri 5 Jun 23:10
I turned 65 in November and was looking forward to an over 65 reduced price season ticket. However on paying for this I’m informed that I neeed to be 66 come August 26 to qualify. What shithousery is this ?
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Fri 5 Jun 23:37
Pension age has increased to 66. You have to be pension age at the start of the season.
Don`t hope for next year. It`s going up to 67. This should be my last working year but I missed the cut off by 3 weeks. Got to do 2 more years now. You'd think they might stagger it a bit and just add 1 year and another a couple of years later.
Post Edited (Fri 05 Jun 23:40)
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Topic Originator: pars4life1
Date: Fri 5 Jun 23:49
Oldies have been getting freebies for long enough now and it’s right to increase tickets with pension age. Indeed if we go by economic freedom the over 60s should be changed more than everyone.
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Topic Originator: allanwilson10
Date: Sat 6 Jun 00:43
I know that it is unfair on you, but at least it isn`t a money grab by the club. They have also raised the age of the young adult ticket from U21 to U22.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sat 6 Jun 08:07
Quote:
pars4life1, Fri 5 Jun 23:49
Oldies have been getting freebies for long enough now and it’s right to increase tickets with pension age. Indeed if we go by economic freedom the over 60s should be changed more than everyone.
Freebies ? Stop talking nonsense
We’ve paid National Insurance and Income Tax etc. since starting work for 40 years.
What do you think pays for State Pensions ?
We still pay IT and Council Tax.
We contributed to our occupational pensions for long years as well.
Freebies my rear end.
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Sat 6 Jun 09:23
Technically the state pension is paid for by current taxation. There is no "pot" that you`ve built up. And policy needs to flex with changing demographics etc.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 6 Jun 09:39
Auld folk get a pension so they can free up jobs for young folk who need more dosh to pay mortgages and raise families.
We have done our bit and you will get the same when your time comes
Win win.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 6 Jun 09:43
The UK state pension is one of the lowest in Europe is it not?
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 6 Jun 09:45
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 6 Jun 09:43
The UK state pension is one of the lowest in Europe is it not?
Yes. It`s pathetic
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sat 6 Jun 09:58
"Technically the state pension is paid for by current taxation. There is no "pot" that you`ve built up. And policy needs to flex with changing demographics etc."
Indeed - State Pension is based on entitlement achieved by length of years contributing to National Insurance.
Changing demographics were a factor in pension age for women being raised from 60.
The point is there are no freebies.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 6 Jun 10:09
Pensioners statistically have more disposable income than young adults, who are expected to pay full price.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 6 Jun 10:32
Maybe we should introduce means testing of fans to see what they can afford to pay!
This seems to happen every year when ST prices are announced. The retired fans I know have been supporting the Pars all their lives and many buy a season ticket knowing they`ll probably miss a few games due to holidays, illness, re-scheduling, etc, but are happy to give the club a bit of financial support at the start of the season.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sat 6 Jun 10:55
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Andrew283, Sat 6 Jun 10:09
Pensioners statistically have more disposable income than young adults, who are expected to pay full price.
A very generalisation.
Young adults are earners - if not, they are entitled to concession price.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 6 Jun 10:57
Quote:
PARrot, Sat 6 Jun 09:39
Auld folk get a pension so they can free up jobs for young folk who need more dosh to pay mortgages and raise families.
We have done our bit and you will get the same when your time comes
Win win.
Sorry, but thats whats wrong with the current set of pensioners, who bought their houses off the council for a nice cushty price, then completely negate that the current generation looking to buy have been utterly shafted for the last 20 years in recessions, lockdowns and wars in oil rich areas.
Add in elitist greed and you cant really claim its a “win win”
And Im saying that as a son of 75 year old pensioner who managed on a single parent income in the 90s/00s….
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sat 6 Jun 19:17
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sat 6 Jun 10:57
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PARrot, Sat 6 Jun 09:39
Auld folk get a pension so they can free up jobs for young folk who need more dosh to pay mortgages and raise families.
We have done our bit and you will get the same when your time comes
Win win.
Sorry, but thats whats wrong with the current set of pensioners, who bought their houses off the council for a nice cushty price, then completely negate that the current generation looking to buy have been utterly shafted for the last 20 years in recessions, lockdowns and wars in oil rich areas.
Add in elitist greed and you cant really claim its a “win win”
And Im saying that as a son of 75 year old pensioner who managed on a single parent income in the 90s/00s….
Some valid points but remember that most folk who bought their council houses had been paying rent longer than most folk pay mortgages. They were well entitled to a reasonable price on top of that.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 6 Jun 20:05
Not only is it poor, if you have a work pension that you contribute to in your working life you get taxed on it making it all worth even less.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sun 7 Jun 15:02
State Pension is also taxed - although not at source - it is just counts as income that may be liable for taxation under Personal Allowances.
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Topic Originator: Geordiepar
Date: Sun 7 Jun 15:06
Quote:
Indiapar1, Sat 6 Jun 20:05
Not only is it poor, if you have a work pension that you contribute to in your working life you get taxed on it making it all worth even less.
You get tax relief on your pension contributions, and your pension fund grows tax free. Don’t see the issue with the pension payments being taxable.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Sun 7 Jun 15:11
And 25% of it is tax-free.
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Equal rights and justice in this time
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sun 7 Jun 16:54
Quote:
Geordiepar, Sun 7 Jun 15:06
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Indiapar1, Sat 6 Jun 20:05
Not only is it poor, if you have a work pension that you contribute to in your working life you get taxed on it making it all worth even less.
You get tax relief on your pension contributions, and your pension fund grows tax free. Don’t see the issue with the pension payments being taxable.
I suppose my comment relates to the points above and the challenges faced by young people. Having been self employed and built up many years of experience in the UK and overseas, the levels of business and personal taxation, NI contributions, VAT rates, Corporation Tax increases (in 2023), make it extremely difficult to employ and train young people. The UK economy would benefit from reducing tax rates for people who run businesses and are of retirement age so that they can employ and train young people and pass on invaluable experience that you cannot obtain from books. Instead, older people have to work beyond retirement, in part due to the cost of living but also due to the levels of taxation that are invariably passed on to the public in the form of higher prices, rent etc.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Sun 7 Jun 19:03
Quote:
pars4life1, Fri 5 Jun 23:49
Oldies have been getting freebies for long enough now and it’s right to increase tickets with pension age. Indeed if we go by economic freedom the over 60s should be changed more than everyone.
Spot on. Let’s face it - oldies are weird about money. I know pensioners with million pound houses who go on expensive cruises, but shop in Aldi or Lidl and drink in Wetherspoons.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 7 Jun 19:15
I know this might set off some pensioners, but if you didn`t manage to get a decent house despite being born in the 50s, what the hell were you doing?!
Obviously wages were lower, but you were able to get houses relatively easily...on a single wage. Based on prices I see around me, my house seems to have gone up over £100k. That`s 50% of what I paid for it under a decade ago. Have wages risen that much? Has food become cheaper? What about fuel?
Old folk moan about "yeah, but they`re on these leased cars". They`re on those as they can`t save up thousands to actually buy a car. Even bangers are a few grand! I think my car that I bought (used) 4 or 5 years ago is worth the same as it was back then as prices have gone up. It`s wild.
I`ve plenty years left to work. No doubt the state pension will be 70+ by then. I don`t expect it to exist though. The pension fund was decimated years ago so now it relies on workers now paying for the current pensioners. We don`t have enough young people. We have an aging population meaning the social care costs get higher and higher every year. We`re screwed. By the time I`m a pensioner they`ll probably have signed off a policy that they evaporate you as soon as you become a burden.
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