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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 30 Jun 09:30
Pars in for Sam Cleal Harding.
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Topic Originator: Bannockburn Par
Date: Tue 30 Jun 09:47
Must be a loan deal, under contract till 2029
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Topic Originator: livipar2
Date: Tue 30 Jun 09:52
Desperate stuff that. I thought we weren’t keen on loans given the recruitment ‘model’. We are effectively developing a player for United. Don’t think he exactly set the heather on fire at Airdrie.
Mon the Pars!!!!!!!!!!!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 30 Jun 10:15
Yep, a loan. Not sure anyone did that well at Airdrie but clearly well thought of at Dundee to have that length of contract. I`d hate to see another Barney situation but it`s not that different to someone like JCM seeing out his contract and moving on.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Tue 30 Jun 10:18
Don’t really know him but quick glimpse through the net and Dundee Utd fans seem to rate him highly with many thinking he should be in the starting eleven.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 30 Jun 10:36
Interest in a loan deal confirmed by Scott Burns in the Record. He also says JCM to Wigan isn`t signed and sealed but no suggestion it won`t happen.
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Topic Originator: Athletico
Date: Tue 30 Jun 11:04
A hugely underwhelming rumour.
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Tue 30 Jun 11:06
he never played for Airdrie, he was listed as a player on the co-operation agreement between the clubs but Goodwin wanted to keep him around their first team.
the club has to look at every option possible including loans, with so few options in that position up here its not a surprise to be linked with the lad.
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Tue 30 Jun 11:17
Quote:
livipar2, Tue 30 Jun 09:52
Desperate stuff that. I thought we weren’t keen on loans given the recruitment ‘model’. We are effectively developing a player for United. Don’t think he exactly set the heather on fire at Airdrie.
Might be a short term loan to cover the Tod and Abdula injuries.
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Topic Originator: AlterPar
Date: Tue 30 Jun 11:42
Sounds like a lot of folks have seen him play. I’ve not personally.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Tue 30 Jun 12:15
We could sign Harry Kane and some of our resident experts will question whether he can cut it in the Scottish Championship.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Tue 30 Jun 12:36
If he has signed a 3 year deal they clearly see something in him, otherwise why waste your time. I am sure we will have to live with a couple of selected loan options thos season, whilst bringing on our own talent. Its a reality for a club like ours. Also it helps bring on younger players in the squad and creates competition.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Tue 30 Jun 12:38
He didn’t play at Airdrie, he’s 20 and played several times for Scotland Under 21’s. He’s had a handful of games in the Premier and played 15 times for Kelty as an 18 year old.
I’m not sure if folk were hoping for Guardiol on a free but his profile is comparable with JCM, he’d be a benefit to the team for sure. Quite possibly we’re saving any fee for a permanent keeper.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Tue 30 Jun 13:00
Players are here to get us points and prizes, I don`t care if we get cash when they leave.
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Topic Originator: Leamington_sPAR
Date: Tue 30 Jun 13:25
Quote:
Bandy, Tue 30 Jun 12:15
We could sign Harry Kane and some of our resident experts will question whether he can cut it in the Scottish Championship.
In fairness for a big lad he tends to fall down at the touch of a feather. He’s not conning the refs at this tournament so far.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Tue 30 Jun 16:50
Quote:
Leamington_sPAR, Tue 30 Jun 13:25
Quote:
Bandy, Tue 30 Jun 12:15
We could sign Harry Kane and some of our resident experts will question whether he can cut it in the Scottish Championship.
In fairness for a big lad he tends to fall down at the touch of a feather. He’s not conning the refs at this tournament so far.
Championship referees, falling over - legitimate or not, there would be no way he gets a penalty anyway for Dunfermline Athletic. On those facts, I am out. 👀😬
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 1 Jul 09:26
Ayr United and ICT are also interested in SCH according to the Courier.
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Topic Originator: AlterPar
Date: Wed 1 Jul 11:17
To be fair, if I’d looked at JCMs playing history before he joined us, I wouldn’t have been excited. He turned out no bad! Positivity is class
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 1 Jul 11:17
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 1 Jul 09:26
Ayr United and ICT are also interested in SCH according to the Courier.
Honestly, i hope one of them sign him, underwhelming name.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 1 Jul 11:23
JCM to Wigan is now done according to the Record.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Wed 1 Jul 11:24
club confirm JCM has moved to wigan
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Wed 1 Jul 11:46
I think a central defender with experience is needed.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Wed 1 Jul 12:19
Agree Indiapar1.
Not sure about another 20yr old, in an important position.
Thing`s seemed to have stalled again signing wise.
But I`m sure I`ll get told to stop bed wetting etc etc lol
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Wed 1 Jul 12:25
They sure have gaz, it seems likely we were in for Mochrie and missed out and must be a few others we’ve missed out on.
If we’re using data to identify players then unless they are in the World Cup nothing will have changed.
Post Edited (Wed 01 Jul 12:25)
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Wed 1 Jul 12:31
Declan Gallagher is an experienced centre half and available.....
i couldnt care about experience, go get the best player available in the positions that need filled.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 1 Jul 12:42
JCM wasn`t an experienced defender when we signed him. Where`s the logic in having to replace him with an experienced defender?
As regards rthe lack of news re signings, I would have thought if you`re trying to sign quality players then it`s inevitable they rake longer than signing journeymen.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 1 Jul 12:48
Topic Originator: wee eck like
Date: Wed 1 Jul 12:42
JCM wasn`t an experienced defender when we signed him. Where`s the logic in having to replace him with an experienced defender?
As regards rthe lack of news re signings, I would have thought if you`re trying to sign quality players then it`s inevitable they rake longer than signing journeymen.
True….but other teams make signings quickly ( presumably journeymen ) and still finish above us in the league…..
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Wed 1 Jul 12:51
Given we have Bene I think we have sufficient 30-something, slow, centre halves with assault convictions in the squad already /s
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Wed 1 Jul 13:02
There were a few games last season where we lost early goals and struggled to recover or lost the game. Anyone in the age group of 25+ with a bit of a pedigree I would personally call experienced. It ultimately depends on our aims this season. You need a good mix of youth and experience in the championship. Having said that, I am not sure where these players woukd come from. The lower English leagues probably pay more money, and they would probably see they had more options down south. Its a challenge with limited funds to build a championship winning side.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Wed 1 Jul 13:12
Topic Originator: wee eck like
Date: Wed 1 Jul 12:42
JCM wasn`t an experienced defender when we signed him. Where`s the logic in having to replace him with an experienced defender?
As regards rthe lack of news re signings, I would have thought if you`re trying to sign quality players then it`s inevitable they rake longer than signing journeymen.
Early last month you were asking when Pre-season training started because you felt NL would want new players in before then.
The cup final was on the 23rd May it was made public then that JCM ( and Ngwenya) were off. The still in negotiations bit from the club was just lip service to the fans to suggest they had tried (I don`t doubt they had but by that stage they would have known their intention to leave). A GK and at least one CB should have been high up the list to the effect that 6 weeks later those boxes should have been ticked.
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Topic Originator: dafc
Date: Wed 1 Jul 13:34
SCH is a very good player and should fit into the team really well. Obviously at his age it’s a learning experience too which suits all parties, we are clearly short on defensive cover.
Probably do need a little experience in there but more importantly a good player and hopefully not Declan gallacher
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Wed 1 Jul 13:47
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 1 Jul 12:42
JCM wasn`t an experienced defender when we signed him. Where`s the logic in having to replace him with an experienced defender?
As regards rthe lack of news re signings, I would have thought if you`re trying to sign quality players then it`s inevitable they rake longer than signing journeymen.
The other way to look at it is: we have progressed with JCM as has the team as a whole so going back to an inexperienced signing isn’t carrying on that progress is it?
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Clapham Par
Date: Wed 1 Jul 14:03
I guess we have to assume that the club are considering taking this guy on loan (if it even happens) because they rate him to be at the required level to perform right away, either as a starter or back up. Not really any point in us acting as a development club for DU except for real short-term benefit to us.
He`s on a long term deal at DU and they apparently rate him so it`s not like we`re bringing in someone running down a contract and we`re hoping to bring him in permanently after a year on loan auditioning how good it is here.
So, if NL thinks he`s good enough for the team then I`m not bothered if he`s a loan or permanent (except if he gets recalled like Ox at a critical time).
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Wed 1 Jul 14:06
For Wee Ecks sake...
True, we don`t necessarily need experience, we need `good enough`.
If Lenny thinks this young lad is good enough to get us out this league then fair play.
I for one am sceptical. The 19, 20, 21 yr olds who are good enough, we can`t get for various reasons, unless clubs are getting them off the wage bill.
A Loan deal for a 20yr old in an important position is taking a big chance..that`s all I`m saying.
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Topic Originator: Higgys Mohawk
Date: Wed 1 Jul 14:09
If it’s true we are missing out on targets alongside losing first team players like JCM and Ngwenya,I can’t imagine Lennon will be enthused at this.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 1 Jul 14:14
I know we all have different opinions but some of the posts on here defy belief. Every transfer window someone will suggest that signing quality players is easy for a club of our status and, if we haven`t done so before pre-season starts, we haven`t been trying hard enough. It totally ignores the fact that we have no control over the availability of players, their demands and those of their clubs, if applicable, and have a budget and wage structure we have to comply with to keep the club financially stable. I know it`s frustrating but why would it be any different?
And how about this one -
`True….but other teams make signings quickly ( presumably journeymen ) and still finish above us in the league…..`
Aren`t we trying to change that by improving the quality?
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Wed 1 Jul 14:30
Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 11 Jun 14:50
Do we know when pre-season training starts? Our first friendly is 2 weeks on Saturday. Given how much importance NL puts on p-st you would think he would want new signings in ASAP.
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Wed 1 Jul 14:32
"If it’s true we are missing out on targets alongside losing first team players like JCM and Ngwenya,I can’t imagine Lennon will be enthused at this."
every club misses out on targets, the other side is there will be plenty of players that have been put to Lennon and he didnt want them for whatever reason, it works both ways.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 1 Jul 14:41
Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 11 Jun 14:50
Do we know when pre-season training starts? Our first friendly is 2 weeks on Saturday. Given how much importance NL puts on p-st you would think he would want new signings in ASAP.
Yeah, I posted that 3 weeks ago but what you want and what you get are two different things. That`s what folk seem to find hard to understand. Say NL decided after the Cup Final that he`d like to sign Oxborough. How many hurdles would there be in the way of achieving that before pre-season training started? At what point do you decide it`s not going to happen so move on to another target?
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Wed 1 Jul 14:43
Quote:
GJS93, Wed 1 Jul 12:31
Declan Gallagher is an experienced centre half and available.....
i couldnt care about experience, go get the best player available in the positions that need filled.
Good comedy value last season watching his dad and other relatives rising to the bait on Facebook and getting into regular arguments with the fans after games.
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 1 Jul 14:52
And to think we let Sam Young go!🤔
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 1 Jul 14:53
True….but other teams make signings quickly ( presumably journeymen ) and still finish above us in the league…..`
Aren`t we trying to change that by improving the quality?
Yes we all do have different opinions. I am sure we are trying to improve the quality, I don’t doubt that. Point I was making is true and valid ( tongue in cheek I am sure you knew that…mmm ? Partick and Arbroath being the prime examples.
Hopefully the signings we do make hit the ground running as we desperately need to get out of the championship.
Up front we have players who have championship experience… I would not like to describe them as journeymen tbh but let’s call them experienced at this level. In midfield we have very little at this level and at the back and between the sticks the same. I would love to see some exciting signings but it does not always work out…Caceres being a good example. But I certainly would not be disappointed if we do sign another midfielder CH or keeper who have a few seasons under their belt at this level.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Geordiepar
Date: Wed 1 Jul 16:52
We had a closed doors friendly against Dundee Utd today (lost 3-1) so wonder if he played against us and whether there were any ‘discussions’?
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Wed 1 Jul 17:46
Quote:
Geordiepar, Wed 1 Jul 16:52
We had a closed doors friendly against Dundee Utd today (lost 3-1) so wonder if he played against us and whether there were any ‘discussions’?
Signed according to a United fan on P&B.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Wed 1 Jul 20:13
Who?
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Wed 1 Jul 21:03
Quote:
TAFKA_Super_Petrie, Wed 1 Jul 20:13
Who?
SCH
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Topic Originator: D.A. Eff Ceee
Date: Thu 2 Jul 07:15
Quote:
Kdy Par, Wed 1 Jul 17:46
Quote:
Geordiepar, Wed 1 Jul 16:52
We had a closed doors friendly against Dundee Utd today (lost 3-1) so wonder if he played against us and whether there were any ‘discussions’?
Signed according to a United fan on P&B.
Aye heard he is being announced today on a loan deal.
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Topic Originator: rsmith
Date: Thu 2 Jul 08:11
Hopefully no recall clause in the deal this year for any loan players we sign
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Thu 2 Jul 16:10
I watched JCM`s first interview with Wigan. Seemed very subdued, but clearly he had set his sights to move on.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: StevenPar77
Date: Thu 2 Jul 17:41
He is maybe just a laid back sort of guy but I never felt any real excitement from him whilst he was here.
However, players can be miserable as hell if they get us to cup finals!
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Thu 2 Jul 17:49
Remember we signed Mcloed from United last season and he wasnt ready for championship football so ended with with a year mostly on the bench, he’s have been better on loan.
It’s simple really if we want to compete nearer the top of the league we need consistent experienced quality instead of relying on inconsistent relatively raw youngsters in key positions who struggle physically in this league.
If it’s about making the playoffs again then it’s fine to bring some raw young loans in as we’re probably not far away from that level already.
We were something like 25 points off st Johnstone last season 15 off Partick.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 2 Jul 18:14
Unfortunately I think Macleod probably spent more time injured than on the bench last season. I think he spent a season on loan at Southampton when he was at Dundee United so I doubt we had any intentions of putting him out on loan.
Maybe we should wait until this window`s signings are complete before passing judgement.
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Topic Originator: Geordiepar
Date: Thu 2 Jul 18:57
Aye so we shouldn’t have signed Mullen, Ngenwa or Robbie Fraser - can’t class any of them as experienced. At least you’ll be happy with Oli Shaw.
Also can’t really use the gaps to St Johnstone or Partick over the whole of last season as a guide. Most of that gap was from the first half of the season.
The players we do have are all a year older, and we do need additional players to strengthen but main thing we need is quality. Dundee Utd defender is highly rated so if he does sign then just give the lad a chance.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 2 Jul 19:19
Imagine if we`d told John McGlynn that we weren`t interested in taking Barney Stewart on loan as he hadn`t played in the Premiership!
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Thu 2 Jul 20:56
Let`s forget about this experience no experience thing.
What we want is GOOD, whether experienced or not, right ?
Too many arguments about what we need on here
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Topic Originator: LeithPar79
Date: Thu 2 Jul 21:17
What about Leon King been released by Rangers, still young to develop and was at Ayr last season
LeithPars
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 2 Jul 21:43
Topic Originator: Gaz3822 like
Date: Thu 2 Jul 20:56
Let`s forget about this experience no experience thing.
What we want is GOOD, whether experienced or not, right ?
Too many arguments about what we need on here
Arguments ? Differing opinions would be a better description. We are in preseason. It’s a football forum is it not ? Imagine if we were all to agree on everything……yaaawn…
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Thu 2 Jul 21:58
King has spoken with StMirren but they are prioritising other areas first, think there were English Championship clubs interested in him a few months ago.
Post Edited (Thu 02 Jul 22:19)
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Thu 2 Jul 22:31
Have you not been reading this post desperado ffs
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Fri 3 Jul 08:52
Andy Tod wasn`t experienced at this level either, and he ended up being our top goalscorer.
Back onto transfer business. Let`s set expectations a little here. The Scottish Championship isn`t a huge draw compared to other leagues, so free agents are naturally going to wait things out to see if they can get more money elsewhere. We were never going to be able to do all our business early.
If we want quality and experience, those signings will probably happen closer to the end of the window, as players will want to secure the best deal for their future before it closes. There`s still plenty of time, and looking at the other signings around the league, it`s fair to say we`ve not missed out on anything of real value.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: neilholland999
Date: Fri 3 Jul 09:11
Quote:
Sacktheref69, Fri 3 Jul 08:52
There`s still plenty of time, and looking at the other signings around the league, it`s fair to say we`ve not missed out on anything of real value.
Oisin Smyth and Seb Drozd would have been good signings IMO, but both have been snapped up by Partick.
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Fri 3 Jul 09:30
Quote:
Indiapar1, Thu 2 Jul 16:10
I watched JCM`s first interview with Wigan. Seemed very subdued, but clearly he had set his sights to move on.
Nah hes like that man, nonchalant vibe he calls it, not one to be really excitable tbh, wanted to move back to england aswell, closest offer to home is what i was told
COYP
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Topic Originator: king lad
Date: Fri 3 Jul 13:03
SCH officially signs on a season long loan
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 3 Jul 13:19
Dunfermline Athletic are delighted to confirm the season-long loan signing of Sam Cleall-Harding from Dundee United. The highly-rated defender has progressed through the ranks at Tannadice, gaining valuable first-team experience during the 2024/25 campaign, playing a key role in the club’s push for European football.
The Dundee-born centre-back featured in important victories over Heart of Midlothian and St Johnstone, while also scoring his first senior goal against Rangers. He helped Dundee United secure qualification for European competition and continued his development as part of the club’s domestic and European campaigns.
With 10 senior appearances for United to his name, Sam signed a new deal in February to keep him at Tannadice until summer 2029. He also enjoyed loan experience with Kelty Hearts. At international level, Cleall-Harding has represented Scotland at Under-21 level and scored a dramatic stoppage-time equaliser in Baku during UEFA European Under-21 Championship qualifying.
The defender has already accumulated more than 2,500 minutes of senior football across spells with Dundee United and Kelty Hearts, featuring in Scottish Premiership, Scottish Cup and European competition squads.
Everyone at Dunfermline Athletic welcomes Sam to KDM Group East End Park and wishes him every success during his time with the club.
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Fri 3 Jul 14:02
good luck to him.
on to the next signing whether thats today, tomorrow or whenever.
Post Edited (Fri 03 Jul 14:10)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 3 Jul 14:08
He`ll be on familiar territory if he gets a run-out at Kelty tomorrow!
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Fri 3 Jul 15:43
Welcome aboard Sam. Here’s hoping your time at the Pars is successful..
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Athletico
Date: Sun 5 Jul 13:59
No fee received for JCM according to Alan Nixon, we gave up the fee for a significant sell on clause.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sun 5 Jul 14:51
Can we get a sell on clause for a player who was out of contract ?
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Athletico
Date: Sun 5 Jul 14:52
Quote:
desparado, Sun 5 Jul 14:51
Can we get a sell on clause for a player who was out of contract ?
We are due a fee due to his age, how that fee is paid has to be agreed by the club`s, doesn`t have to be cash.
Post Edited (Sun 05 Jul 14:53)
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Sun 5 Jul 14:53
Quote:
desparado, Sun 5 Jul 14:51
Can we get a sell on clause for a player who was out of contract ?
We can if we do a deal like suggested above.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 5 Jul 14:58
Astute piece of business if that`s the case.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sun 5 Jul 16:07
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 5 Jul 14:58
Astute piece of business if that`s the case.
I agree, some people estimated that the development fee would be in the region of £75,000 so even if they had managed to negotiate a 10% sell on fee, I think that`s a gamble worth taking. He could get injured, or not do very well and get released at the end of his deal, but he could do well, really kick on down there and move on for £1,000,000 or more next summer like Malachi Fagan-Walcott did
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Topic Originator: Stanza
Date: Sun 5 Jul 19:00
If this is in the contract then it`s potentially a win-win:
Wigan save on expenditure (the club currently owes about £6m to its owner) and won`t pay DAFC anything at all unless they get a big fee for selling JCM - and a slight increase in that fee would cover it.
Meanwhile, DAFC get nothing, but with a gambler`s chance of getting significantly more in a year or so if JCM is successful and attracts a big bid. Given his international recognition and undoubtedly potential, that sounds like something that would appeal to our owner!
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