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 Shaw out for Saints game
Topic Originator: desparado  
Date:   Fri 24 Jul 22:23

Apparently has a slight groin strain. That’s a bit of a blow.

Still no timescale for Nuru to return. Must be a good month he has been out now…

What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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 Re: Shaw out for Saints game
Topic Originator: KirklistonPar  
Date:   Sat 25 Jul 05:50

FFS! It feels like we’ve had zero luck the last few seasons when it comes to injuries. Wishing Olie a quick recovery he’s looked decent so far and we could really do with him playing in as many games as possible.

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 Re: Shaw out for Saints game
Topic Originator: sonofpetrie  
Date:   Sat 25 Jul 07:39

Saw him pull up during the cove game. Looked like he`d run it off but obviously not. In the grand scheme of things id much rather we were cautious so we have him for the league campaign.

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 Re: Shaw out for Saints game
Topic Originator: Sacktheref69  
Date:   Sat 25 Jul 08:06

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sonofpetrie, Sat 25 Jul 07:39

Saw him pull up during the cove game. Looked like he`d run it off but obviously not. In the grand scheme of things id much rather we were cautious so we have him for the league campaign.


Sean Murdoch the referee for the game on Sunday.

This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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 Re: Shaw out for Saints game
Topic Originator: rsmith  
Date:   Sat 25 Jul 09:25

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Sacktheref69, Sat 25 Jul 08:06

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sonofpetrie, Sat 25 Jul 07:39

Saw him pull up during the cove game. Looked like he`d run it off but obviously not. In the grand scheme of things id much rather we were cautious so we have him for the league campaign.


Sean Murdoch the referee for the game on Sunday.


Always wondered if this sort of scenario would happen and he would be allowed to referee teams he has played for. Can’t be many players turned refs that have done this
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 Re: Shaw out for Saints game
Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net  
Date:   Sat 25 Jul 13:50

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Sacktheref69, Sat 25 Jul 08:06

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sonofpetrie, Sat 25 Jul 07:39

Saw him pull up during the cove game. Looked like he`d run it off but obviously not. In the grand scheme of things id much rather we were cautious so we have him for the league campaign.


Sean Murdoch the referee for the game on Sunday.


I’ll call it now penalty St Mirren 😂😂😂
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 Re: Shaw out for Saints game
Topic Originator: Jeffery  
Date:   Sat 25 Jul 14:52

In recent years Jamie McCunnie was fourth official in one of our games. That`s the closest I can think of to this but there will probably be other examples.
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 Re: Shaw out for Saints game
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sat 25 Jul 15:55

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rsmith, Sat 25 Jul 09:25

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Sacktheref69, Sat 25 Jul 08:06

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sonofpetrie, Sat 25 Jul 07:39

Saw him pull up during the cove game. Looked like he`d run it off but obviously not. In the grand scheme of things id much rather we were cautious so we have him for the league campaign.


Sean Murdoch the referee for the game on Sunday.


Always wondered if this sort of scenario would happen and he would be allowed to referee teams he has played for. Can’t be many players turned refs that have done this


In bygone years, referees could not referee their hometown team and also had to declare the team they supported. Pretty sure there are no such restrictions nowadays.



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 Re: Shaw out for Saints game
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 25 Jul 16:00

Maybe they had to change the rules so they could get someone who could referee the OF games!

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 Re: Shaw out for Saints game
Topic Originator: Bertie Paton  
Date:   Sat 25 Jul 16:06

I remember Lindsay Hamilton (our reserve goalkeeper) running the line due to an injury to the linesman.

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 Re: Shaw out for Saints game
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 26 Jul 09:38

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wee eck, Sat 25 Jul 16:00

Maybe they had to change the rules so they could get someone who could referee the OF games!


Many a true word......

Or maybe you were being perfectly serious, wee eck. 🤔

If referees support our senior clubs in the same proportions fans do, it`s safe to assume a large number of them will have either green or blue noses.



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 Re: Shaw out for Saints game
Topic Originator: General Zod  
Date:   Sun 26 Jul 10:55

Murdoch was ref when we played East Kilbride in a friendly last year. Can’t remember him being favourable against or for us. I do t think ex players should be officiating teams they’ve played for but I do think ex players turning to refs is a positive thing.

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 Re: Shaw out for Saints game
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 26 Jul 11:34

Now that players can move at will under freedom of contract it`s likely they`ll have a long list of clubs they`ve played for when they retire. If they decide to take up refereeing it could restrict their progress if they aren`t allowed to officiate at games involving former clubs. Maybe that`s why they relaxed the rules. As well as playing for the Pars Sean Murdoch also had spells at Forfar, Hamilton and Hibs,

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 Re: Shaw out for Saints game
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 26 Jul 11:39

Ian McCall just predicted `a narrow Dunfermline victory` on Radio Scotland!

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 Re: Shaw out for Saints game
Topic Originator: neilholland999  
Date:   Sun 26 Jul 12:55

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wee eck, Sun 26 Jul 11:39

Ian McCall just predicted `a narrow Dunfermline victory` on Radio Scotland!


Thats us jinxed then!
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 Re: Shaw out for Saints game
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 26 Jul 13:06

That`s what I thought! I think he still has a soft spot for the Pars and is part of the commentary team on RS today.

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 Re: Shaw out for Saints game
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Sun 26 Jul 15:26

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GG Riva, Sat 25 Jul 15:55

In bygone years, referees could not referee their hometown team and also had to declare the team they supported. Pretty sure there are no such restrictions nowadays.


Are you sure about that? I know that in England there is an obligation for refereees to declare which team they support, but I don`t remember any such requirement ever being in place in Scotland - and I wouldn`t want to see it happen here.

With so much of Scotland`s population concentrated in 4 cities, even moreso in the past, banning refs if their hometown team was involved would severely limit the availability of top refs for most top games. And lots of people support a team from a different town or city anyway.

Also, supporting a specific team might mean you want another specific team to lose, and could be seen as being biased against it in crucial games.

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 Re: Shaw out for Saints game
Topic Originator: SusieQ  
Date:   Sun 26 Jul 15:36

When I played, one of my team mate`s husband was a ref.

We used to absolutely hate when he was in charge of our games as he used to give us absolutely nothing so he couldn`t be accused of any bias.

It was a nightmare!!


COME ON YE PARS!
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 Re: Shaw out for Saints game
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 26 Jul 15:38

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Stanza, Sun 26 Jul 15:26

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GG Riva, Sat 25 Jul 15:55

In bygone years, referees could not referee their hometown team and also had to declare the team they supported. Pretty sure there are no such restrictions nowadays.


Are you sure about that? I know that in England there is an obligation for refereees to declare which team they support, but I don`t remember any such requirement ever being in place in Scotland - and I wouldn`t want to see it happen here.

With so much of Scotland`s population concentrated in 4 cities, even moreso in the past, banning refs if their hometown team was involved would severely limit the availability of top refs for most top games. And lots of people support a team from a different town or city anyway.

Also, supporting a specific team might mean you want another specific team to lose, and could be seen as being biased against it in crucial games.


I`m pretty sure it was the case in the 60s, Stanza. I think it was quietly abandoned some time after that.



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 Re: Shaw out for Saints game
Topic Originator: GJS93  
Date:   Sun 26 Jul 17:44

no idea what impact Shaw would have had on today`s game but if the club could get Thomas back or similar style then it would be a very useful option to have.

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 Re: Shaw out for Saints game
Topic Originator: twin par  
Date:   Sun 26 Jul 19:18

Remember when hearts lost the league at Dundee,the ref was a well known hearts fan. That’s was well known.Was it not Bobby smith?
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 Re: Shaw out for Saints game
Topic Originator: Higgys Mohawk  
Date:   Sun 26 Jul 22:31

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GJS93, Sun 26 Jul 17:44

no idea what impact Shaw would have had on today`s game but if the club could get Thomas back or similar style then it would be a very useful option to have.


Thomas would’ve been a great option today with his pace and running in the channels. Would be great if we could get him back. Offers something different to our current strike options.
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 Re: Shaw out for Saints game
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 26 Jul 22:53

Apparently we agreed a deal with Bristol City to sign Thomas on a permanent deal but he didn`t want to come.
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 Re: Shaw out for Saints game
Topic Originator: Stanza  
Date:   Mon 27 Jul 00:00

Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 26 Jul 15:38

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Stanza, Sun 26 Jul 15:26

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GG Riva, Sat 25 Jul 15:55

In bygone years, referees could not referee their hometown team and also had to declare the team they supported. Pretty sure there are no such restrictions nowadays.


Are you sure about that? I know that in England there is an obligation for referees to declare which team they support, but I don`t remember any such requirement ever being in place in Scotland - and I wouldn`t want to see it happen here.

With so much of Scotland`s population concentrated in 4 cities, even moreso in the past, banning refs if their hometown team was involved would severely limit the availability of top refs for most top games. And lots of people support a team from a different town or city anyway.

Also, supporting a specific team might mean you want another specific team to lose, and could be seen as being biased against it in crucial games.


I`m pretty sure it was the case in the 60s, Stanza. I think it was quietly abandoned some time after that.


Sorry GG, I still don`t think there has ever been any requirement for referees in Scotland to declare support for any particular club. I`m sure that if there had been there would have been lots of references to it in newspaper reports, and that it would have entered into the folklore of football fans. But if you can show any reference to such a regulation I`ll gladly admit I`m wrong!

I suppose there may have been some informal arrangements made by whoever did the match allocations, such as ensuring that a Rangers v Celtic match was not refereed by Mason Boyne or Paddy Doyle, but that`s a long way short of a requirement to formally declare allegiance to a particular club.

I did ask Google AI to answer the question: "Did Scottish football referees ever have to declare their club allegiance?" and got this answer:
"No, Scottish football referees have never been required to formally declare their club allegiances to the football authorities or the public. While there have been periodic calls from politicians, clubs, and fans—most notably during high-profile referee controversies and strikes—for Scottish officials to follow the English model of declaring team support to governing bodies, the Scottish Football Association (SFA) has never implemented such a policy.
Instead, the SFA and heads of refereeing (such as Willie Collum) have maintained that officials are appointed based on merit and capability rather than background or geographical ties, and that introducing mandatory declarations would be an unnecessary distraction or an affront to the integrity of the officials. Referees are expected to declare direct conflicts of interest—such as family members playing for a specific club or working for a corporate sponsor—but not general childhood or lifelong team allegiances."

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