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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Fri 24 Jul 17:36
Someone here will have done the research - what results are we hoping for tomorrow to help us qualify if we happen take down St Mirren?
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Topic Originator: StevenPar77
Date: Fri 24 Jul 17:53
A 3 nil win i believe but it will be on Sunday, not tomorrow.
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Fri 24 Jul 17:54
Quote:
StevenPar77, Fri 24 Jul 17:53
A 3 nil win i believe but it will be on Sunday, not tomorrow.
He means in the other games.
3-0 tops us the group, but theres an outside chance that any win puts us through in 2nd.
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Topic Originator: StevenPar77
Date: Fri 24 Jul 18:17
Apologies I went in feet first there and completely misread the post!
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Fri 24 Jul 19:58
Assuming we win but not by three, we`ll have 9 points and +6 or 7.
Group A
Expect Aberdeen to beat Kelty and win the group. If QotS don`t get something from Lesser, Queen`s Park end up with 9 points and a minimum of +4.
So don`t want QP to win by more than three more than us (or a really high scoring two more).
Group B
We want Montrose to get at least a point from bottom placed Spartans at home to win the group. That puts Dundee United in second on 9 points, +7 and scored 8. We`d need to win by two.
Alternatively, Spartans win and we`re a better second.
Group C
Cove Dumbarton game irrelevant to this.
Group D
Doesn`t look good. Expect Dundee to beat Clyde at home so we`d need Airdrie to either win or have a losing draw at home to Ross County. Likelihood is second place will have more points than us.
Group E
Beyond us. Partick top with 9 and +10, but played all four. Second v third with Stenny (8 +3) home to Livi (7 +10). No result has a second worse than our best.
Group F
Ideally a draw with bonus point for St Johnstone at home to East Fife. Or, if they win, we don`t want them to win by 2 more than us.
Group G
Doesn`t matter. Best second is 7 points.
Group H
Doesn`t matter. Best second is 8 points.
Two in our favour already, one against. We`d need three out of the other four groups to go our way. One`s unlikely and another our best chance is to win by two.
I think we`ll need to win by three, but well know for sure this time tomorrow.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Fri 24 Jul 20:54
I think the likelihood of us beating the Saints by one or two goals and qualifying in second place is so remote that I gave up working it out after group E.
For example, as far as I can see:
1. The second place team from group E will qualify regardless of further results.
2. Queens Park must not beat QOS, or they`ll qualify.
3. Montrose must lose at home to Spartans or they`ll be through in second place as well.
4. And if Dundee win at home v Clyde, Ross County must not get more than one point or that`s another strong candidate for a second place qualifier.
So I`m not even gonna look at any others.
In other words if my recky is correct, we`re out unless we beat Saints by three goals.
Post Edited (Fri 24 Jul 21:04)
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Fri 24 Jul 21:00
I think you`re right about Queen`s Park, parsfan. Also, your analysis of group B is more accurate than mine, so well done. But I still think we`re a busted flush.
Post Edited (Fri 24 Jul 21:10)
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Topic Originator: Jimmy riddell
Date: Fri 24 Jul 21:32
It’s all academic. We blew it in the first game against EK.
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Topic Originator: Parsfangaz
Date: Sat 25 Jul 01:06
Quote:
parsfan, Fri 24 Jul 19:58
Assuming we win but not by three, we`ll have 9 points and 6 or 7.
Group A
Expect Aberdeen to beat Kelty and win the group. If QotS don`t get something from Lesser, Queen`s Park end up with 9 points and a minimum of 4.
So don`t want QP to win by more than three more than us (or a really high scoring two more).
Group B
We want Montrose to get at least a point from bottom placed Spartans at home to win the group. That puts Dundee United in second on 9 points, 7 and scored 8. We`d need to win by two.
Alternatively, Spartans win and we`re a better second.
Group C
Cove Dumbarton game irrelevant to this.
Group D
Doesn`t look good. Expect Dundee to beat Clyde at home so we`d need Airdrie to either win or have a losing draw at home to Ross County. Likelihood is second place will have more points than us.
Group E
Beyond us. Partick top with 9 and 10, but played all four. Second v third with Stenny (8 3) home to Livi (7 10). No result has a second worse than our best.
Group F
Ideally a draw with bonus point for St Johnstone at home to East Fife. Or, if they win, we don`t want them to win by 2 more than us.
Group G
Doesn`t matter. Best second is 7 points.
Group H
Doesn`t matter. Best second is 8 points.
Two in our favour already, one against. We`d need three out of the other four groups to go our way. One`s unlikely and another our best chance is to win by two.
I think we`ll need to win by three, but well know for sure this time tomorrow.
OOFT
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sat 25 Jul 10:07
So in short ideally:
Queens Park to not win outright versus QOTS
Spartans to beat Montrose
Airdrie to beat Ross County or Dundee not to win outright vs Clyde
Morton to beat Inverness or East Fife v St Johnstone draw with Saints getting extra point
All irrelevant if we can’t beat St Mirren on Sunday. See what the outlook is at 5!
Post Edited (Sat 25 Jul 10:15)
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 25 Jul 11:40
Quote:
Berry, Sat 25 Jul 10:07
So in short ideally:
Queens Park to not win outright versus QOTS
Spartans to beat Montrose
Airdrie to beat Ross County or Dundee not to win outright vs Clyde
Morton to beat Inverness or East Fife v St Johnstone draw with Saints getting extra point
All irrelevant if we can’t beat St Mirren on Sunday. See what the outlook is at 5!
Start compounding the odds on the appropriate results and I think it leads to "Don`t hold your breath"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 25 Jul 12:00
Is there always one game that`s left to be decided after all the others in this competition? If it was done for TV purposes it could easily backfire by being a `dead rubber`.
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Sat 25 Jul 12:57
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 25 Jul 12:00
Is there always one game that`s left to be decided after all the others in this competition? If it was done for TV purposes it could easily backfire by being a `dead rubber`.
There has normally been a Sunday game.
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 25 Jul 12:59
Cheers, DJAS.
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 25 Jul 13:40
I think ultimately the game against St Mirren is important for one reason only at this stage - to gauge our progress against premiership opposition. We go through great, but uf not, we have a good idea of where we sit for the league campaign start.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 25 Jul 15:21
I see our ref from Tuesday night, Abbie Hendry, is in charge of Airdrie v Ross Co today. There`s no sign of Hammy in the RC squad. I don`t think he`s featured at all this season.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sat 25 Jul 15:23
Results not too bad so far.
Spartans beating Montrose
Queens Park winning 1-0 which would be fine if it stays low scoring due to us having superior goal difference
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 25 Jul 15:57
Deniz Mehmet named as QOS goalie today. not sure if he`s still on trial.
James Craigen scored the Spartans goal at Montrose.
No Matty Todd in SJ`s squad.
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Topic Originator: Ahoy!Ahoy!
Date: Sat 25 Jul 16:11
At the moment it looks like any win would see us progress is that correct!
Dundee will qualify on 10 pts but we’d be 9pts with a better goal difference than the others on 9.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sat 25 Jul 16:14
As it stands yes, could be the third best second place so sneak in providing a W tomorrow.
Long way to go though.
Post Edited (Sat 25 Jul 16:14)
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Sat 25 Jul 16:49
Don`t forget, there`s still the bonus points to be added to the in-play tables in drawn games.
I just looked and thought I`d got it all wrong for a moment.
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Topic Originator: obiwanyouknowme
Date: Sat 25 Jul 16:51
Looking like a 1 nil win the mora
Post Edited (Sat 25 Jul 16:52)
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Topic Originator: Paralytic77
Date: Sat 25 Jul 16:54
Win tomorrow should seal it
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sat 25 Jul 16:55
Quote:
obiwanyouknowme, Sat 25 Jul 16:51
That will be that then
I don’t think it is, think if we win we qualify.
Group A - we match their goal difference so any win takes us above them.
Group B - we have better goal difference than Montrose
Group D - goes against us.
Group E - goes against us, whoever wins the shootout, Stenny - they go to 10, if Livvy, superior goal difference
Group F - East Fife just equalised but didn’t matter, we had same GD as St Johnstone at the time but we would’ve scored more goals
G & H already fell in our favour.
Win tomorrow and we’re through.
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Topic Originator: Paralytic77
Date: Sat 25 Jul 16:59
100% a win and we qualify
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Sat 25 Jul 17:06
Quote:
Paralytic77, Sat 25 Jul 16:59
100% a win and we qualify
Yeah, but won`t be that easy.
They`re looking at a best first place to be seeded.
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Topic Originator: obiwanyouknowme
Date: Sat 25 Jul 17:08
Yeah at the time I originally posted
Dundee
Then the winner of Stenny/ Livi group as Partick would’ve been more
Then ST J scored but it swung back
1-0 win the mora will do it, hopefully a good performance as well
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Topic Originator: Par
Date: Sat 25 Jul 17:09
A win and we would be through. Hopefully add a good few more onto the travelling support.
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Topic Originator: dafc
Date: Sat 25 Jul 17:16
A 1-0 result takes both pars and st mirren through?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 25 Jul 17:21
Stenny beating Livi on pens actually let PT qualify as runners-up with 9 points and a GD of +10. East Fife seem to have won the shoot-out with SJ but they don`t qualify.
At the moment I think Dundee and PT qualify as best runners-up and the third place is between us and QP (assuming we don`t win by 3!). Is that right?
Post Edited (Sat 25 Jul 17:23)
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 25 Jul 17:28
That`s my reading of it..... just the small matter of winning tomorrow now.
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Sat 25 Jul 17:29
Kilmarnock won their group.
Over four games they scored a total of two goals.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sat 25 Jul 17:36
Well I`ll be doggone. It`s a proper cup tie now! An early chance for NL to add another Premier scalp to his collection.
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Topic Originator: Kozmano1
Date: Sat 25 Jul 17:43
I just tried to get a ticket for tomorrow. None available. I can’t see us taking 1600 to St Mirren?
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 25 Jul 17:44
That’s a great position to be in after the first game. It’s in our hands. That’s all you can ask for.
COYP
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Parsdaft
Date: Sat 25 Jul 17:47
Is it South stand for away fans?
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sat 25 Jul 17:56
No it’s the north stand
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: dafc-chris1
Date: Sat 25 Jul 17:56
Quote:
Parsdaft, Sat 25 Jul 17:47
Is it South stand for away fans?
North stand
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Topic Originator: Parsdaft
Date: Sat 25 Jul 18:09
North stand purchased
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Topic Originator: Paralytic77
Date: Sat 25 Jul 18:30
Quote:
parsfan, Sat 25 Jul 17:06
Quote:
Paralytic77, Sat 25 Jul 16:59
100% a win and we qualify
Yeah, but won`t be that easy.
They`re looking at a best first place to be seeded.
Never said it was,but at least it`s in our own hands 1-0 does
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Topic Originator: kozmasrightfoot
Date: Sat 25 Jul 20:09
So, if we win by one goal we go through? Goal difference is secondary to the result?
Pars fan.
Magpies fan.
Mens tennis fan.
Alternative rock fan.
Not a fan of much else.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 25 Jul 20:26
QP are currently the third-best placed runners-up with 9 points and a GD of +5. If we win tomorrow by one goal we`ll have 9 points with a GD of +6.
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Topic Originator: Stanza
Date: Sun 26 Jul 02:08
If we win by 1 goal, Saints will win the group on Goal Difference, despite our Head-to-Head victory. We would qualify as one of the three best runners-up.
If we win by 2 goals, we will have the same Goal Difference (+7) as St Mirren. Saints will still win the group on Goals Scored (12 v 11, 13 v 12 etc) as once again GS trumps our H2H victory. We would qualify as one of the three best runners-up.
If we win by 3 goals we will win the group on Goal Difference.
The criteria for deciding between teams with equal points are:
1 Goal Difference
2 Goals Scored
3 Away Goals Scored
4 Matches Won
5 Away Matches Won
6 Head-to-Head
7 Drawing of lots
Those same criteria also apply when deciding who are the three best group runners-up.
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