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Topic Originator: Steviethepar2
Date: Tue 28 Jul 08:35
Just reading on bbc :
‘English football will implement a trial to try to eradicate the goalkeeper tactical timeout this season.
The Football Association, Premier League, English Football League, National League and Women`s Super League have agreed on the measure, with permission granted by the International Football Association Board (Ifab).
Pro Ref, led by chief refereeing officer Howard Webb, had been in discussions with the leagues to determine how to tackle the issue. It settled on a team having to remove an outfield player from the pitch.
If a referee signals that the physio can come on to treat a goalkeeper, that team`s coach will have 10 seconds to nominate another player to leave the pitch for one minute after play has restarted, telling the fourth official of their choice.
If no player has been selected within 10 seconds, the captain must leave the field.
The first game to feature the trial will be the Carabao Cup preliminary round tie between Tranmere and Rochdale on Saturday.’
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Tue 28 Jul 09:14
Eh ?
I don`t get it .
That just sounds silly .
Admin
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Tue 28 Jul 09:40
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So whilst playing is stopped to attend to an injured goalkeeper they same team must remove one more of their players to address "what balance"? 🤔🤔
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Tue 28 Jul 09:52
Soinds like they are trying to over complicate the game.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Turps
Date: Tue 28 Jul 10:04
It`s to try and stop Goalkeepers faking injuries to allow a manager to speak to their team and/or slow the game down.
Crept more and more in to the game last season. Coaches telling the keeper to go down.
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Topic Originator: Pars11
Date: Tue 28 Jul 10:04
Another needless trial. They are trying to make a round wheel square.
Bluebell Polka
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Tue 28 Jul 10:21
Quote:
Pars11, Tue 28 Jul 10:04
Another needless trial. They are trying to make a round wheel square.
They’re trying to cut out the play acting by goalkeepers that coaches incite during games to reset teams and break up the opposing teams momentum. Goalkeeper is the only position that doesn’t need to leave the pitch when injured, coaches know this and take advantage. It happens all the time in the premier league, this rule will soon stamp it out.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 28 Jul 10:32
So the goalie could feign injury for much longer than a minute (which the coach could use to speak to the team) but they`d only be penalised for a minute? Why not match the penalty with the length iof the stoppage?
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Topic Originator: Angus_W
Date: Tue 28 Jul 11:31
....not that the Pars would resort to such skullduggery.
St Johnstone away - cough......
You’ve seen the Pars now please go home!
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 28 Jul 11:52
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 28 Jul 10:32
So the goalie could feign injury for much longer than a minute (which the coach could use to speak to the team) but they`d only be penalised for a minute? Why not match the penalty with the length iof the stoppage?
You then run the risk of a team being pretty harshly penalised for a keeper being genuinely injured.
Not sure there`s an easy answer to any of this.... even getting the fourth official to make sure both benches shut their pusses when the game is stopped would be abused.
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Topic Originator: Zimbo
Date: Tue 28 Jul 11:56
Just get the goalkeeper to ask if he can stop for a drink of water.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Tue 28 Jul 13:02
Lennon used this tactic quite a lot in his first season with us
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Tue 28 Jul 14:14
A bunch of idiots deciding imbecilic solutions to problems that don`t exist.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Tue 28 Jul 17:20
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 28 Jul 10:32
So the goalie could feign injury for much longer than a minute (which the coach could use to speak to the team) but they`d only be penalised for a minute? Why not match the penalty with the length iof the stoppage?
I would have thought the stoppage time is added on as normal, the 1 minute player down is an arbitrary amount unrelated to the length of time they are down
Post Edited (Tue 28 Jul 17:24)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 28 Jul 17:57
That`s what I was questioning, P. The offending team could take as long as they liked but their `punishment` (ie playing with a man short) would be limited to one minute. Why not just stop the players from congregating near the technical area when the physio comes on?
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Tue 28 Jul 18:55
A passing thought - the injured goalkeeper to be temporarily replaced without delay by a substitute keeper until the former recovers and can resume.
These will not constitute a normal substitution.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 28 Jul 20:15
Clubs have nobody to blame but themselves in this one. It was a clear tactic by managers last season to break up play and get tactical notes to the squad. The most blatant example was Nick Pope.
It now means keepers will only go down if genuinely injured, which should be the case anyway. If they aren’t, I can imagine their team mates will be screaming at them to get up.
Clubs cant complain about these new rules (like the new 5 second rules and 10 minutes added time each half) as it’s been brought on by ridiculous time wasting. The stat a couple of years ago of the ball being in play for an hour on average is disgraceful to paying fans.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Tue 28 Jul 20:27
What annoys me is when keepers catch the ball, take a few steps and then drop to the ground. Surely that’s blatant time wasting snd should be stamped out ?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: WYPar
Date: Tue 28 Jul 20:30
This is a real problem that needs to be addressed. The number of goalies of teams losing or under severe pressure who suddenly felt a tight hamstring last season was getting comical.
However, this is not the answer. Over complicated solution that won’t really solve anything.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 28 Jul 20:37
Quote:
WYPar, Tue 28 Jul 20:30
This is a real problem that needs to be addressed. The number of goalies of teams losing or under severe pressure who suddenly felt a tight hamstring last season was getting comical.
However, this is not the answer. Over complicated solution that won’t really solve anything.
Its not that complicated. If a keeper goes down and gets treatment, a player leaves the park for a minute. It’s the exact same rule as if an outfield player goes down and gets treatment, they will now leave the field for a minute.
Why should keepers get “treatment” and not have the same rules apply to them as outfielders?
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Tue 28 Jul 22:25
What if the goalkeeper requires treatment as the result of being fouled ?
Same for an outfield player similarly injured - the logic of obliging them to leave the field of play, even temporarily, is hard to make sense of.
Post Edited (Wed 29 Jul 09:14)
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Topic Originator: the saline hill puma
Date: Tue 28 Jul 22:42
Quote:
veteraneastender, Tue 28 Jul 22:25
What if the goalkeeper requires treatment as the result of being fouled
My understanding is that if the injury occurs due to a foul and a yellow/red card is issued then the selected player won`t need to leave the pitch (which is the same as what currently happens if a outfield player is injured after a foul and the opponent is carded currently)
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Topic Originator: Leamington_sPAR
Date: Tue 28 Jul 23:20
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Tue 28 Jul 20:27
What annoys me is when keepers catch the ball, take a few steps and then drop to the ground. Surely that’s blatant time wasting snd should be stamped out ?
Have they not addressed this by the 5 second rule for keepers to release the ball?
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Wed 29 Jul 11:58
I think sending folk for an HIA and brining on a sub in their place would cut a lot out. I don’t think it would be as easy to implement as it sounds tho because Rugby already had a lot more medical teams/physio’s in attendance plus there was a general consensus it was a good idea but I don’t see the same sentiment in football.
COYP
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 29 Jul 19:33
Quote:
NMCmassive, Wed 29 Jul 11:58
I think sending folk for an HIA and brining on a sub in their place would cut a lot out. I don’t think it would be as easy to implement as it sounds tho because Rugby already had a lot more medical teams/physio’s in attendance plus there was a general consensus it was a good idea but I don’t see the same sentiment in football.
Its genuinely frightening that football is so far behind sports like rugby when it comes to HIAs. Especially with the recent knowledge of heading a ball and the damage it can do to players.
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