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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Sat 22 Aug 20:23
I feel a lot of us supporters don’t realise our club is being used as a AI recruiting players.
We were told this when being bought over and this is what happens..a good player comes through where say 4 are average and rank!
Let’s face it Lennon is one of the best paid managers in Scotland and has to abide with this AI of recruitment procedure..he has to get the best out of these players.
Why would we sign/loan an 18 year old as he will never get a game or feature in the 1st team?
Bene is in a youth coaching role and I think he will do well.. Hammy away to County but these guys were the mouthpiece of the team..
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sat 22 Aug 20:32
…….and what’s your point caller?
Loving You, Is In My DNA
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 22 Aug 20:46
I thought it was only correct to give Google Gemini the right to respond o behalf of all AI tools......here`s what it said.....
It is completely understandable to feel frustrated when fan favorites depart and young, unproven loan signings take their place—especially when veteran "mouthpieces" of the dressing room move on. However, blaming "AI recruitment" mischaracterizes how modern data analytics works in football and overlooks why clubs adopt these models.
The Reality of Data-Driven Recruitment
Data-driven scouting is not an automated program making blind signings; it is an objective tool designed to level the playing field against richer clubs.
Ferreting Out Hidden Value: AI and advanced analytics don`t replace human scouting—they scan thousands of leagues globally to identify undervalued talent that traditional scouting networks would completely miss.
The "Hit Rate" Myth: Traditional scouting has always suffered from a high failure rate. Expecting every single signing to be a hit is unrealistic under any recruitment model. If a system produces one genuinely standout player for every few average ones, it creates immense sporting and financial value for the club.
Smart Financial Sustainability: Relying exclusively on high-wage, established veterans leads to financial stagnation. Mixing data-backed young talent with experienced core players builds long-term squad value.
Conversation with Gemini
Review and comment on the following statement and defend AI
I feel a lot of us supporters don’t realise our club is being used as a AI recruiting players.
We were told this when being bought over and this is what happens..a good player comes through where say 4 are average and rank!
Let’s face it Lennon is one of the best paid managers in Scotland and has to abide with this AI of recruitment procedure..he has to get the best out of these players.
Why would we sign/loan an 18 year old as he will never get a game or feature in the 1st team?
Bene is in a youth coaching role and I think he will do well.. Hammy away to County but these guys were the mouthpiece of the team..
It is completely understandable to feel frustrated when fan favorites depart and young, unproven loan signings take their place—especially when veteran "mouthpieces" of the dressing room move on. However, blaming "AI recruitment" mischaracterizes how modern data analytics works in football and overlooks why clubs adopt these models.
The Reality of Data-Driven Recruitment
Data-driven scouting is not an automated program making blind signings; it is an objective tool designed to level the playing field against richer clubs.
Ferreting Out Hidden Value: AI and advanced analytics don`t replace human scouting—they scan thousands of leagues globally to identify undervalued talent that traditional scouting networks would completely miss.
The "Hit Rate" Myth: Traditional scouting has always suffered from a high failure rate. Expecting every single signing to be a hit is unrealistic under any recruitment model. If a system produces one genuinely standout player for every few average ones, it creates immense sporting and financial value for the club.
Smart Financial Sustainability: Relying exclusively on high-wage, established veterans leads to financial stagnation. Mixing data-backed young talent with experienced core players builds long-term squad value.
Why Sign 18-Year-Old Loans?
In Premier Sports Cup group stages, congested fixture lists, or late-game chasing situations, depth is essential. Signing an 18-year-old on loan provides top-tier talent on minimal wages. If they break into the first team, the club gains a high-quality player; if they don`t, the financial risk remains almost non-existent.
Managerial Integration
A well-paid, experienced manager like Neil Lennon isn`t rendered powerless by analytics. Modern managers actively use performance data to refine tactical setups, track player workload, and extract maximum potential from raw talent. The data brings the player to the building; the manager and his coaching staff turn them into a footballer.
While losing senior leaders creates a temporary vocal void in the squad, modern football requires a balance of culture, coaching, and analytical precision to stay competitive.
What specific profile or position do you feel the squad is currently lacking most?
What specific profile or position do you feel the squad is currently lacking most?
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Sat 22 Aug 20:53
See where you said Iv done a AI thing I don’t care…
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 22 Aug 20:57
I’m hoping we learned a lot from the current owners 1st transfer window where we signed about 9 players and only mullan was up to it.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Sat 22 Aug 21:03
That’s where I’m coming from the owners have recruited players the Lennon wants them used their AI method for young players we have signed/loaned?
No way is that a Neil Lennon squad he signed to get us into the Premiership? No chance
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Topic Originator: Buster_Brown
Date: Sat 22 Aug 21:19
Quote:
Hoolie, Sat 22 Aug 21:03
That’s where I’m coming from the owners have recruited players the Lennon wants them used their AI method for young players we have signed/loaned?
No way is that a Neil Lennon squad he signed to get us into the Premiership? No chance
As Lennon has said, many factors go into our signings. Some are recommended by the owners database, others come through his contacts or that of John Coloqhoun and the scouting department, but ultimately Lennon says yes or no to every player that’s put to him.
Loving You, Is In My DNA
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sat 22 Aug 21:25
I think tss also important to remember the application of AI is in the management and coaching as well as recruitment. My understanding is that, in addition to identifying promising young players, it can be used for a variety of other things during games including real time mapping of spatial coverage on the pitch to identify gaps and player behaviours, provide real time tactical simulations, predict player fatigue, provide half time data and visual overlays, check player mechanical loading etc. In training it can be used for dynamic training adjustment requirements, predict injuries etc.
The software is no doubt being developed so perhaps for James Bord is looking at it as a high risk tech startup, where the club is effectively a sandbox for the software, with a view to developing it and its commercial application in football With an experienced manager, you are going to get good user feedback and real world assessments to help with fine tuning and improvement. Its a bit of a win win.
I use AI myself for analysis to compliment my own judgement at work. Its not perfect, but it can perform analysus, identify issues and make recommendations etc that I would not necessarily see. Its a tool to augment and improve human decision making, so it would be interesting to know the role it is playing in training, player development, team selection, team formation, real time tactical decisions and substitutions.
Its not infallible, and "hallucinates", but with an iterative development process of questioning output and suggesting improvements it can be very useful indeed.
G Wardrope
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Sat 22 Aug 21:27
Not giving a flying f, Lennon would not have signed most of these players in normal circumstances
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Sat 22 Aug 21:36
Exactly, Lennon would never have signed any of these players or taken them on loan…he’s on big money and already within the AI recruitment team..ready to go next year..
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Topic Originator: nick_dafc1
Date: Sat 22 Aug 21:40
Quote:
Hoolie, Sat 22 Aug 21:36
Exactly, Lennon would never have signed any of these players or taken them on loan…he’s on big money and already within the AI recruitment team..ready to go next year..
Go where next year, league one 🤣
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Topic Originator: Hoolie
Date: Sat 22 Aug 21:45
Do you understand how AI works??
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 22 Aug 22:53
Seemed to work no bad last season.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: bannerpar
Date: Sat 22 Aug 23:03
I thought we were told that the owners would be using Analytics to help with recruitment. When were we told that they would be using AI , which is a different thing and how do you use AI in recruitment anyway?
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sat 22 Aug 23:23
It`s far too early to determine whether the Analytics model works in the Scottish Chanpionship.
It has identified Amade, who most would agree is a find. But for every JCM, there`s a Yeboah.
It`s far too early to assess this summers intake, but the only ones that are clear "AI" signings are Allan & Adams. To blame everything on the model isn`t the full picture.
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Topic Originator: Hunter78
Date: Sat 22 Aug 23:48
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 22 Aug 22:53
Seemed to work no bad last season.
What, finishing behind Arbroath? 3 cup games excluded we were and are murder
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 23 Aug 00:02
What a small-minded way to assess a season. Anyway, we beat Arbroath in the play-offs.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 23 Aug 00:13
Quote:
Hunter78, Sat 22 Aug 23:48
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da_no_1, Sat 22 Aug 22:53
Seemed to work no bad last season.
What, finishing behind Arbroath? 3 cup games excluded we were and are murder
184 negative posts and counting.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Hunter78
Date: Sun 23 Aug 00:13
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 23 Aug 00:02
What a small-minded way to assess a season. Anyway, we beat Arbroath in the play-offs.
Well done on winning “we beat a part time club who finished above us” to lose to Partick Thistle. 3 games excluded prove to me where for what we spend now on playing budget were any better?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 23 Aug 00:27
Could you translate that into English? Or are you a robot?
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sun 23 Aug 00:54
Quote:
da_no_1, Sun 23 Aug 00:13
Quote:
Hunter78, Sat 22 Aug 23:48
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 22 Aug 22:53
Seemed to work no bad last season.
What, finishing behind Arbroath? 3 cup games excluded we were and are murder
184 negative posts and counting.
Is he wrong? Our budget is well beyond most Championship teams....
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 23 Aug 07:56
I’m not sure you can leave it to Lennon, he wanted wanyama!
Pretty sure Lennon asked for shaw, he managed him at hibs. Also can’t be a coincidence we’ve signed a few from Northern Ireland.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: Indiapar1
Date: Sun 23 Aug 09:04
Brighton and Brentford are probably England’s best-known data-driven recruitment clubs, but their proprietary Jamestown/Starlizard and Smartodds methods are deliberately secret. They should be described as advanced predictive-analytics clubs rather than confidently claiming that every part of their systems is AI.
The practical distinction is important: none of these systems simply “signs a player.” They normally filter thousands of candidates, estimate tactical and financial suitability, flag development or injury risks, and then leave scouts, medical staff, coaches and directors to make the decision.
I would probably use the analogy of AI being like moving from doing manual long division in arithmetic to giving you a scientific calculator. It doesn't remove human assessment, but allows you to do more calculations, avoids errors in the process, do calculations more quickly, but you still have to get the real world answer right in the end.
G Wardrope
Post Edited (Sun 23 Aug 09:12)
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Topic Originator: summeragent
Date: Sun 23 Aug 11:46
Which players have been bought under this AI system that have established themselves as regular first team players under Lennon?
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sun 23 Aug 11:57
Also it would be wise to use some of the AI stats etc agaisnt some of our players to help with who is performing and who isn’t.
Everything feels a bit gut feel with Lennon as opposed to looking at the opposition and picking players to exploit the opposition.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Sun 23 Aug 12:02
January 1st, Courier:
Much was made of James Bord’s data analysis and AI background when the former professional poker player bought the East End Park club nearly 12 months ago.
And that approach has informed Dunfermline’s recruitment ever since.
However, Lennon insists there is also a more ‘old school’ element to the search for fresh faces as the Pars hunt steady improvement and success.
“We recommend players, they recommend players,” said Lennon of the role the owners take in Dunfermline’s recruitment process. “We come to an agreement.
“It’s not one competing against the other, it is for the benefit of the club going forward.
“So it’s a marriage together. It’s not perfect by any means. But from where we were before, the squad has improved. Results have improved.
another quote....
“But to win this league, you need to throw a lot of money at it, and we want to do it slowly but surely.
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Topic Originator: bannerpar
Date: Sun 23 Aug 12:50
NL has his work cut out at the moment. It`s not easy parting with around 13 players and taking on just about as many, some of them are just a couple of minutes in the door. Added to that they are coming from all over and will take a bit of time to gel. He doesn`t know his best team and formation yet but I`d still back him to get it right. Just hope we don`t drop too many points before we get there.
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Sun 23 Aug 13:05
Quote:
bannerpar, Sun 23 Aug 12:50
NL has his work cut out at the moment. It`s not easy parting with around 13 players and taking on just about as many, some of them are just a couple of minutes in the door. Added to that they are coming from all over and will take a bit of time to gel. He doesn`t know his best team and formation yet but I`d still back him to get it right. Just hope we don`t drop too many points before we get there.
Don`t buy this as an excuse tbh, we`re no different to any other club in the division in regards to all your points.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 23 Aug 13:14
After the match the Livi manager said there were a lot of things that had to be sorted in his team and it would take a few games before things weere working the way he wanted them to. For some, success has to be instant though.
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Topic Originator: Hunter78
Date: Sun 23 Aug 14:36
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 23 Aug 13:14
After the match the Livi manager said there were a lot of things that had to be sorted in his team and it would take a few games before things weere working the way he wanted them to. For some, success has to be instant though.
Yet still managed to trump Lennon and beat us, that instant enough?
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Sun 23 Aug 14:42
Topic Originator: wee eck like
Date: Sun 23 Aug 13:14
After the match the Livi manager said there were a lot of things that had to be sorted in his team and it would take a few games before things weere working the way he wanted them to. For some, success has to be instant though.
In ANOTHER pathetic attempt to ridicule some of the criticism of the club you`ve further highlighted it`s inefficiencies, well played.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 23 Aug 15:02
I`m used to getting stick on here but I don`t understand - what inefficiencies are you referring to? I was simply reporting what the Livi manager said on the radio to illustrate that it`s not unusual for things not to be working the way managers want them to be at this stage in the season.
And the fact that Livi won doesn`t necessarily mean they are way ahead of us in that respect.
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Topic Originator: DAFCinBK
Date: Mon 24 Aug 09:30
Which signings are you frustrated by? Assuming the players recruited from remote leagues are the ones AI supported us to find, i would argue that abdulai, amade and allan O are three of the most promising players in our squad. I`d also like to see adams given more of a chance. Honestly, it is some of the domestic signings who have disappointed so far. For me, Shaw and Rudden are two of the players I question the most. We need centre forwards who consistently put the ball in the net. Our midfield created a lot of chances first half against livi, but none were put away. That`s where the disappointment lies for me.
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Topic Originator: DJAS
Date: Mon 24 Aug 11:53
Agree with above.
Predictor league winner 2012/2013
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Mon 24 Aug 13:32
Quote:
DAFCinBK, Mon 24 Aug 09:30
Which signings are you frustrated by? Assuming the players recruited from remote leagues are the ones AI supported us to find, i would argue that abdulai, amade and allan O are three of the most promising players in our squad. I`d also like to see adams given more of a chance. Honestly, it is some of the domestic signings who have disappointed so far. For me, Shaw and Rudden are two of the players I question the most. We need centre forwards who consistently put the ball in the net. Our midfield created a lot of chances first half against livi, but none were put away. That`s where the disappointment lies for me.
The issue is everyone is after a striker who will consistently get you a return of 15–17+ goals a season. Connor Young was someone who scored goals, albeit in League 2, and the jump one division up in Scotland is sizable, never mind two.
Shaw has goals in him. I don`t believe you don`t necessarily lose, for want of a better term, that striker`s instinct, but it just hasn`t happened for him as of yet. You could put Rudden in that category as well.
Tod, coming off a breakthrough season last year, was always going to struggle to maintain that momentum. It could be down to playing a new position, mainly off the left, getting used to a new system and new personnel alongside him, but I`m sure he would admit he hasn`t been at it so far this season.
The Championship is a division made up of generally inconsistent teams, and I`d say that`s probably where we are just now. We`ve played well in patches but also played shocking in patches. If we can get it right and find some consistency, we have a really good chance, but I`m sure there are about half a dozen teams thinking exactly the same this season.
We`ve seen Thistle, who most people think will walk this league, find out how difficult Inverness is to go and get a win from, and most teams will struggle to take all three points home from there. Ayr aren`t in great shape and Livi look beatable. We just need to find some consistency.
There`s a long way to go, but we could really do with something clicking into place at the weekend.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 24 Aug 14:01
The Courier today points out that last season, although not prolific, we were the third highest scorers in the League with 52 goals in 36 matches and that was only one fewer than Partick. Despite all the personnel changes in the summer only one striker left, Olly Thomas, although we did try to get him back apparently. I`m not sure if Shaw was an alternative to him or an addition. Maybe Adams is seen as a replacement for Thomas.
So, overall you would think we are reasonably well set to repeat last season`s performance. So far our top scorers in the League Cup and League are Tod (5), Shaw (3) and Cooper (2) who all have reasonable scoring histories, so maybe we just need to be patient. Hopefully Kane, Rudden and Morrison will contribute a few and somebody in midfield (Oyirwort seems most likely) will find his shooting boots.
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Topic Originator: Sacktheref69
Date: Mon 24 Aug 14:33
Rudden in the League Cup was getting into good areas to score and potentially fell victim to trying too hard. At least we are getting into those areas and creating chances.
This is Andy Tod`s world and we are lucky to live in it.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 24 Aug 16:09
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 23 Aug 13:14
After the match the Livi manager said there were a lot of things that had to be sorted in his team and it would take a few games before things weere working the way he wanted them to. For some, success has to be instant though.
And yet he still handed us or erchies?
Positive spin huh😂
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 24 Aug 16:16
You`re a bit slow to the party. That point has been made already and rebuffed.
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Topic Originator: GJS93
Date: Mon 24 Aug 17:40
might as well put it here as well, Lennon looking for another centre forward...
"“We have players that are quite similar,” he admitted. “So, it’s just a case of trying to find a different type, with quality, if we can.
“But they’re like hen’s teeth hard. Good centre forwards are hard to find.
“So, we’ll just keep looking around anyway.”
how many times last season and this has he gone on about lack of quality, poor final ball, lack of pace, lack of physicality and even after signing Shaw and Adams who presumably were to change some of those, he wants another one because others are too similar?
no matter the system in place, something aint working right
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Topic Originator: Bamba-Daft
Date: Mon 24 Aug 18:09
Only Partick are averaging more shots on target per game than us. The goals will come, id prefer a No.10 to another striker.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 24 Aug 18:28
I must say that`s a surprising stat, but encouraging.
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