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Topic Originator: steaua
Date: Wed 13 Jun 13:18
Today after Ian Blackford was asked to leave. There was a legitimate point that should have had a vote taken and the speaker wouldn't allow it till the end of PMQT. We all know the place empties at the end of PMQT , so it could be quite be unfair. Good for them.
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Wed 13 Jun 15:04
Pre planned stunt. Wishart blethering about it before cockcrow.
Was going to happen no matter what.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 13 Jun 15:06
Quote:
Mario, Wed 13 Jun 15:04
Pre planned stunt. Wishart blethering about it before cockcrow.
Was going to happen no matter what.
Pre planned stunt? Unlike yesterday then
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Topic Originator: petrie_pants
Date: Wed 13 Jun 15:13
A stunt which shows the SNP at their childish and immature best.
Backfired on them spectacularly...
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 13 Jun 15:44
Quote:
petrie_pants, Wed 13 Jun 15:13
A stunt which shows the SNP at their childish and immature best.
Backfired on them spectacularly...
And yesterday's behaviour by the tories and Liebour is acceptable to you then....
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Topic Originator: petrie_pants
Date: Wed 13 Jun 15:55
Can we all stop saying 'Liebour' now? it's a bit 2014.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Wed 13 Jun 16:42
Quote:
petrie_pants, Wed 13 Jun 15:55
Can we all stop saying 'Liebour' now? it's a bit 2014.
Nope.
Liebour
Liebour
Liebour
P. S. Donald Dewar at least had a backbone as he led 50 Labour MP's in a walkout in 1987 for the very same treatment by Westminster.
Bunch of spineless cowards today in 2018
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
Post Edited (Wed 13 Jun 16:42)
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 13 Jun 17:35
Labour are a disgrace of a party. They continually say one thing, but when it comes down to the vote, either vote with their Tory chums or abstain. Recent events just makes the idiocy of those that voted to remain chained to the UK even worse
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Wed 13 Jun 17:53
Copy of spontaneous action plan found on bench in the Commons, includes cues for show of indignation.
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Topic Originator: Parplod
Date: Wed 13 Jun 18:17
Let's face it if the Westminster Government, which is not without major flaws, said today was Wednesday, Nicola and her pals would not agree. This was nothing other than a pre-planned stunt to deflect the headlines away from Shona Robison and the NHS, John Swinney and the Curriculum for Excrement ( as it is known in education circles) and Michael Matheson trying to pick up the debris from the Kenny MacAskill inspired shambles that is Police Scotland.
Everyone knows that, at the end of the day, these powers will come to Holyrood. However, Scotland decided, in 2014, to remain part of the UK, and it is eminently sensible to create a framework for these powers once returned from the EU.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 13 Jun 18:42
1000 new members signed up for the SNP this afternoon, and world wide publicity.
Well done Waistemonster..
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 14 Jun 06:39
Quote:
Parplod, Wed 13 Jun 18:17
Let's face it if the Westminster Government, which is not without major flaws, said today was Wednesday, Nicola and her pals would not agree. This was nothing other than a pre-planned stunt to deflect the headlines away from Shona Robison and the NHS, John Swinney and the Curriculum for Excrement ( as it is known in education circles) and Michael Matheson trying to pick up the debris from the Kenny MacAskill inspired shambles that is Police Scotland.
Everyone knows that, at the end of the day, these powers will come to Holyrood. However, Scotland decided, in 2014, to remain part of the UK, and it is eminentlysensible to create a framework for these powers once returned from the EU.
It's amazing how you can come up with a list of gripes about the Scottish Parliament but skirt over the failings of the English parliament. How about some comments on them,love to hear your thoughts on the period when Thatcher destroyed the mining industry and all the methods she used to control the miners.
Regarding the powers taken by the English government, which should have returned to the devolved parliaments, why do you think they only returned some of them? And not allow the devolved institutions to at least work together to agree a framework? I suspect the 24 which will be kept by them is to negotiate away to the EU.
The Tories could always relay on the fishing, farming and others to support their policies..... As the saying goes
"The fat pigs ea__e was aey well greased"
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Topic Originator: petrie_pants
Date: Thu 14 Jun 06:45
Presuming the tartan Tories will be shuffling back in today with their tail between their legs? 😂
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 14 Jun 06:46
Update.... 1500 new SNP members by 10.30 pm last night.... Wonder if BliS lost any members yesterday.
Believe the Labour Party in Westminster were fighting like rats in a sack yesterday.... Can anyone confirm if that is correct.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 14 Jun 06:50
Quote:
Tenruh, Thu 14 Jun 06:46
Update.... 1500 new SNP members by 10.30 pm last night.... Wonder if BliS lost any members yesterday.
Believe the Labour Party in Westminster were fighting like rats in a sack yesterday.... Can anyone confirm if that is correct.
Just confirmed this morning 2000 new members joined since lunchtime yesterday.
Thanks Jeremy.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 14 Jun 06:59
Quote:
petrie_pants, Thu 14 Jun 06:45
Presuming the tartan Tories will be shuffling back in today with their tail between their legs? 😂
They were back yesterday fighting for a fairer Scotland, with 2000 new members supporting them.
Bought your season ticket for the Pars yet?
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Topic Originator: petrie_pants
Date: Thu 14 Jun 07:03
Excellent for the tartan Tories - their stunt worked. Meanwhile other elected representatives will be getting on with their day jobs. Are we now to gather that during any debate or discussion which isn't going their way they'll resort to the same tactic again? Childish, immature and shows a complete lack of strength of character. Not surprised their sheep up here lapped it up while the rest of us were cringing. Anyway, they'll be taking their seats again today and it'll be business as usual I hope. Unless, of course, anyone says anything mean to them and they all have to take their ball and go home again.
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Thu 14 Jun 07:04
Is that 2000 new Yes voters?
Or just 2000 old ones now contributing to keep the Murrells in the luxury to which they have been accustomed to?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 14 Jun 07:07
Quote:
petrie_pants, Thu 14 Jun 07:03
Excellent for the tartan Tories - their stunt worked. Meanwhile other elected representatives will be getting on with their day jobs. Are we now to gather that during any debate or discussion which isn't going their way they'll resort to the same tactic again? Childish, immature and shows a complete lack of strength of character. Not surprised their sheep up here lapped it up while the rest of us were cringing. Anyway, they'll be taking their seats again today and it'll be business as usual I hope. Unless, of course, anyone says anything mean to them and they all have to take their ball and go home again.
Remind me what you said the other day about attending East End in future?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 14 Jun 07:12
Quote:
Mario, Thu 14 Jun 07:04
Is that 2000 new Yes voters?
Or just 2000 old ones now contributing to keep the Murrells in the luxury to which they have been accustomed to?
Please remind me who the speaker was who tried to Bury the expenses scandal in 2008
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Thu 14 Jun 07:12
Wonder if the six SNP questions that weren’t asked yesterday concerned concerns or problems raised by constituents
They are supposed to represent all of them irrespective of political allegiance or none. An utter disgrace that much of Scotland’s population was abandoned by their representatives yesterday.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 14 Jun 07:16
Quote:
Mario, Thu 14 Jun 07:12
Wonder if the six SNP questions that weren’t asked yesterday concerned concerns or problems raised by constituents
They are supposed to represent all of them irrespective of political allegiance or none. An utter disgrace that much of Scotland’s population was abandoned by their representatives yesterday.
And what did Labour do in 1997...ohhhhh that's OK as it wasn't the baaaddd SNP then.
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Thu 14 Jun 07:20
The recently deceased Michael Martin.
There, I’ve answered your whitabootery question.Try and answer my two non wltabootery ones.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 14 Jun 07:25
Quote:
Mario, Thu 14 Jun 07:20
The recently deceased Michael Martin.
There, I’ve answered your whitabootery question.Try and answer my two non wltabootery ones.
Labour always protects their masters
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Thu 14 Jun 08:39
And the sheep cult dutifully baa and are fleeced to order by the shepherdess and her baldy boss.
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Topic Originator: WORST
Date: Thu 14 Jun 08:50
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Thu 14 Jun 09:09
I share your cynicism to politicians and I sort of get where you're coming from but there's some pretty blatant ways that the policies for different parties will impact you.
SNP free tuition, Cons not.
SNP mitigate the bedroom tax, Cons not.
Labour renationilise the railways, Cons not and unsure of SNP policy here.
SNP raised tax band threshold to raise tax take, Cons wouldn't.
SNP first to introduce minimum pricing for alcohol and sugar, others may follow but no commitment as yet.
SNP would remain in Europe, everyone else split between remain and leave bar UKIP.
Cons continuing austerity measures because of faux problems around debt, some of the others would increase spending.
That's without really trying too hard to differentiate each parties different policies. It's not being gullible to see a difference in each party.
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Thu 14 Jun 11:06
You got a parrot on your shoulder and a peg leg?
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Topic Originator: calpar
Date: Thu 14 Jun 12:06
Nah but you've got a chip on yer shoulder, an nae baws 😂^^
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Thu 14 Jun 12:35
I'm lost with that one!
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 14 Jun 12:37
5085 new members for the SNP Over the last 24 hours.... People starting to see who's working for them
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Thu 14 Jun 12:43
They’re the party of the dinnae/winnae work so that figures.
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Thu 14 Jun 12:47
Peg leg,parrot,eye patch..come on...
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 14 Jun 13:32
Someone's a little bit sensitive today, just go with the time's Mario, your party are behaving like rats in a sack....
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Thu 14 Jun 13:43
I’m in the Anti Indy Party. 2,000,000 strong.
When it comes to final showdown us AIPs will no be the ones going bananas...
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 14 Jun 13:52
I hear Murray Foote, who was editor of the Daily Record during the Independence Referendum and the man behind The Vow, has now said he backs Independence.
Post Edited (Thu 14 Jun 16:55)
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 14 Jun 14:10
Quote:
WORST, Thu 14 Jun 08:50
I'm just stunned that folks on here think that any of these party's have the best interests of the populace at heart. I'm supposed to be the village idiot about here, but anyone thinking that voting for one party or the other will change their lives are sorely deluded.
It's all personal power and money grabs until the sheep twig on and vote them out again.
I'm glad I have the attitude I have to this, it stops me becoming a seething mess like many on here when they find out they've been lied to and cheated of their time and effort to vote......again. 🤣
This.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 14 Jun 15:14
Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 14 Jun 13:52
“I hear Murray Foot, who was editor of the Daily Record during the Idependence Referendum and the man behind The Vow, has now said he backs Independence.”
Afron Jones the Police commissioner for North Wales has joined SNP also.
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Topic Originator: Secret Garden
Date: Thu 14 Jun 16:26
Can we all stop saying 'Tartan Tories’ now? it's a bit 1979. 😂
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Topic Originator: Secret Garden
Date: Thu 14 Jun 16:30
“I’m in the Anti Indy Party. 2,000,000 strong.”
Saw you in some of Cara’s pics on Twitter last weekend. Is Tam happy with that?
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Thu 14 Jun 18:23
It's actually very hard telling if Mario is a Tory or Labour if you didn't already know.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Thu 14 Jun 18:24
I'm just confused I appear to be a pirate 😀
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Thu 14 Jun 19:39
"Afron Jones the Police commissioner for North Wales has joined SNP also"
Well his non vote will come in handy
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Thu 14 Jun 19:52
Who is that dude with the straw hat singing Nessum Dorma?
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 14 Jun 20:01
Not unless he has a holiday home in Scotland of course......
My next door neighbour has finally joined the cause also and even popped over to Holyrood today. I thought he was a lost cause being a die hard Labour voter but he has finally seen sense 👍
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Thu 14 Jun 20:17
So, Jocks living in Taffyland full time cannae vote, but Taffs who live in Jockland for a week can.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 14 Jun 21:33
I believe so......certainly many hundreds of English holiday home owners voted in 2014.....I don’t think they were supposed to though.....tut,tut.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Thu 14 Jun 22:14
Quote:
Mario, Thu 14 Jun 19:52
Who is that dude with the straw hat singing Nessum Dorma?
That's Adamo Stuartio Goddardo Antio as if you didn't know that!
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: WORST
Date: Fri 15 Jun 06:02
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Fri 15 Jun 06:58
Was he what was known as a Pop Star back in the days when singles were 6/8d each ( three for a pound)?
Used to scrimp and save, bus up up to the record store whose name I now forget, dash back and stack them on the Dansette in my bedroom.
Like his look anyway, cool, but the PVC Mac must have been boiling in the stage lights..
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 15 Jun 14:38
7526 new members in 48 hours for the only party that represents Scotland's interests in the English parliament .
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Fri 15 Jun 14:53
Must be getting close to being the second biggest party membership in the UK.
With only 8% of the population that is some achievement.
1 Welsh member that I am aware of..... hundreds of English members and growing daily.
The upcoming AUOB marches particularly the one in Edinburgh planned for October will add a good few thousand more members and a point or two more in the polls, be pretty close to the 50% mark by then. Can’t see it falling below that level until the referendum which is good news of course.
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Fri 15 Jun 17:12
2,000,000 non members, non marchers, non flag wavers, non facepainters keeping their powder dry..
BTW it seems a lot of these new members are just old lapsed ones.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Fri 15 Jun 18:42
And Gollum’s uglier brother responds on cue.....👌🏻
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 15 Jun 20:38
Quote:
Mario, Fri 15 Jun 17:12
2,000,000 non members, non marchers, non flag wavers, non facepainters keeping their powder dry..
BTW it seems a lot of these new members are just old lapsed ones.
And the bitterness from the little englander continues....looking forward to seeing you on Monday on the touchline in your union Jack suit..
Post Edited (Fri 15 Jun 20:40)
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Fri 15 Jun 21:32
Little Anglophobic Jocklanders ..and dimmer than one watt light bulbs.
Probablyalso back of the queue when pusses were being handed out...
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Fri 15 Jun 22:16
The Labour dinosaur plays the victim card and tries to claim intellectual superiority again. Unsurprising.
Mario, if you truly supported social democratic values you would be speaking out against the growing privatisation of the English public sector with the growth of trusts in schools and the NHS but for someone who claims to be knowledgeable either blissfully unaware or just plain arrogant. The SNP ARE guilty of poor management in certain areas such as centralisation of police fire etc and curriculum for excellence but on the other hand they have managed to maintain a properly public NHS, elderly care and no tuition fees to name but a few. There is a legitimate argument that Westminster is a threat to the continuation of these policies. 80%ish of the Scottish electorate vote for parties that support Social Democratic Values through Greens, Labour, SNP and Lib Dem yet you'd rather see widely supported social democratic policy trampled on rather than enshrined in a constitution? Madness.
I know a number of gifted scientists and engineers who support independence. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of them have a superior formal education to you and - judging by your posts - a good bit more world experience than you. You've criticised me in the past for moving around and gaining work and educational experience in different systems, which is just quite small minded and laughable tbh but not unexpected. It might be worth winding your neck in a bit and showing some humility auld man. Respect should be commanded, not demanded and you'd do well to remember that.
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Sat 16 Jun 10:49
Apart from helping with my insomnia, you may be surprised that that your boring self preening existence is of zilch interest to me. Or anyone else I suspect.
How England manage their public services is up to them. I am not aware that producing a credit card is a prequiste for hospital treatment, planned or emergency.
As for NHS trusts, you may be unaware that Tayside were caught raiding their charity piggy bank to cover up their fiscal incompetence. Robison totters from one crisis to another, bullet proof because she’s Sturgeons bestest pal
Oh, and here’s a percentage you might not like. At the GE only 37% went for the split the U.K. Party, that’s only 25% of the total electorate.
Anyway must get baking the cake for the 4th anniversary of telling the Seps where to shove it. Like a slice?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 16 Jun 12:09
You're living in the past, I think.
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Sat 16 Jun 14:11
Going back to the OP, this looks like a rehearsed stunt, possibly in conjunction with a recruitment drive. To that extent it has been successful, in the short term at least.
I’m not sure where the Westminster Government was inept in allowing it to happen, or whether it too was a deliberate ploy. It seems that outrage has replaced rational argument, which cannot be good for any of us in the long term.
What was the fuss about? Some things that are currently decided in Brussels/Strasbourg that the SNP want to continue to be decided in Brussels/Strasbourg rather than in London? For which the SNP allegedly agree it may be sensible to make decisions in London in the short term. And in contrast to other powers (on welfare, for instance) that the SNP say they want, but have declined.
Stage 2 of the stunt seems to have been to engineer David Mundell’s resignation. That appears to have failed as well. I’m not sure what they are up to, but it seems a bit adolescent. Are they trying to deflect from their Growth Commission report, or the FoI cover up?
Post Edited (Sat 16 Jun 17:14)
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Topic Originator: onlytakes
Date: Sat 16 Jun 14:26
Be interested to know how many SNP members are the children of existing members...some of whom can't write yet. 😂
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 16 Jun 14:27
Got to love it, a stunt when it's to the benefit of the SNP, but its OK for the yoons to deny freedom of speech and debate, still we've got the option of suicide...
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 16 Jun 14:33
Quote:
onlytakes, Sat 16 Jun 14:26
Be interested to know how many SNP members are the children of existing members...some of whom can't write yet. 😂
Must be spending a quiet day in Tescotown onlytakes? Only a few weeks till the season starts again.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 16 Jun 14:51
Was David Liddington speaking for the whole of the time allotted for the debate a stunt as well?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 16 Jun 14:59
Quote:
wee eck, Sat 16 Jun 14:51
Was David Liddington speaking for the whole of the time allotted for the debate a stunt as well?
That doesn't count cause it wasn't the badddd SNP doing it.
Selective memories some folk have on here.
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Topic Originator: onlytakes
Date: Sat 16 Jun 15:03
Slumming it in the Langtoun today, Tenruh. 😉
Avoiding the question though. The SNP are massive but I'd like the real figures rather than the inflated ones. It's not a dig, just aware folk are signing up their kids! SNP also liable for a significant fine after allegedly breaching the GDPR by emailing ex-members from years ago whose data they shouldn't have.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 16 Jun 15:30
Just back from the same place...
Don't see any benefit making up the members numbers to be honest.
Regarding Wednesday though, it may well have been planned ahead, and if so I don't blame them, the time has arrived to fight the yoons, red or blue at their own game, SNP been to nice to long.
Don't know if the SNP sent out reminders to lapsed members, but if they did I must say I do find it quite funny.
Post Edited (Sat 16 Jun 15:45)
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sat 16 Jun 15:57
Was it preplanned? Yes of course it was but it couldn't have been plan A otherwise the speaker must have been in on the act.
I think had he allowed the vote to take place during PMQ'S, this would have been a big headline in itself so they had a double edged plan of action and it most certainly worked.
They got maximum publicity from a session that is widely watched worldwide and they used the theatre that is the House of Commons to their maximum advantage for a change.
Their treatment the night before was appalling during the amendments debates.
15 minutes only allotted to the power grab and all those minutes taken up by the Tory Minister without one Scottish MP from any party allowed a say.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Sat 16 Jun 17:16
Was David Liddington speaking for the whole of the time allotted for the debate a stunt as well?
Was that really the case? I would have thought it more like bad management
15 minutes only allotted to the power grab and all those minutes taken up by the Tory Minister without one Scottish MP from any party allowed a say.
Again, when was this?
If the HoL rejects the amendments, will there be another opportunity for the HoC to discuss them?
As for the allegations than Nicola overruled Mike Russell’s agreement – anyone know anything about this?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 16 Jun 17:34
Quote:
McCaig`s Tower, Sat 16 Jun 17:16
Was David Liddington speaking for the whole of the time allotted for the debate a stunt as well?
Was that really the case? I would have thought it more like bad management
15 minutes only allotted to the power grab and all those minutes taken up by the Tory Minister without one Scottish MP from any party allowed a say.
Again, when was this?
If the HoL rejects the amendments, will there be another opportunity for the HoC to discuss them?
As for the allegations than Nicola overruled Mike Russell’s agreement – anyone know anything about this?
Have you been sleeping since Tuesday and just awoken now?
No idea about NS and MR but if it makes a good story to suit the yoons agenda it will get spun
Post Edited (Sat 16 Jun 17:34)
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sat 16 Jun 17:52
Quote:
McCaig`s Tower, Sat 16 Jun 17:16
Was David Liddington speaking for the whole of the time allotted for the debate a stunt as well?
Was that really the case? I would have thought it more like bad management
15 minutes only allotted to the power grab and all those minutes taken up by the Tory Minister without one Scottish MP from any party allowed a say.
Again, when was this?
If the HoL rejects the amendments, will there be another opportunity for the HoC to discuss them?
As for the allegations than Nicola overruled Mike Russell’s agreement – anyone know anything about this?
This was the night before the walkout.
The Commons had debated and voted on all HOL amendments and this took up so much time, there was only allowed 15 minutes for the Scottish debate.
Tory Minister used them all up talking, sat down with David Mundell and gave him a smirk.
It then went to the vote. All Labour MP's abstained apart from Dennis Skinner who voted against the power grab.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Sat 16 Jun 18:23
Thanks AAPS for a slightly more helpful answer.
Would that be Tuesday night, round about 7 pm? As far as I can see, 10 other MPs spoke, of which 6 represented Scottish constituencies.
I'm not saying they had anything constructive to say, but this seems at odds with the description above.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 16 Jun 18:55
19.11 till 19.30 Wednesday night only speaker was the tory minister. Why are you asking?
Post Edited (Sat 16 Jun 19:03)
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Sun 17 Jun 09:54
Now emerged that Salmond and Blackford cooked this up..poor wee Nicola sidelined.
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Topic Originator: calpar
Date: Sun 17 Jun 10:07
Mon Scotland👍
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sun 17 Jun 12:01
Mario, I'd really hate to be as negative and lacking in hope for the future as you are. I'm sure the study that showed most Unionists and oldies believed that the best days for Scotland were in the past while the young believed they are still to come.
If you don't have the foresight to realise that public service policy and spending in England is actually quite important to Scotland because of the way budgets are allocated and the UK economy as a whole is managed and the way funding is allocated then you really are quite dim. Nae doubt you'd be moaning if the SNP stuck your taxes up to bring in extra funding, but if Labour did it you'd be singing and dancing.
You also don't seem to fathom the idea that 30-40% of the Labour vote comes from Independence supporters.
As I've said before, the SNP have been guilty of poor management and that would seem to be the case in NHS Tayside.
You like to paint independence supporters as lacking in grey matter when there are many who would easily run rings around you intellectually. You are living in the past and, whether you like it or not, it will not be your generation or ideology that takes Scotland forward. For someone who demands respect of the basis of age, you certainly aint very wise!
Post Edited (Sun 17 Jun 12:02)
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Sun 17 Jun 14:32
I’ll save that up for tonight as a passport to the Land of Nod.
If I read it now will miss the footie..
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 17 Jun 15:27
Quote:
Mario, Sun 17 Jun 09:54
Now emerged that Salmond and Blackford cooked this up..poor wee Nicola sidelined.
Well done the boys, but really is this your best auld yin?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 17 Jun 15:46
Usually he's complaining that with the SNP there is no place for dissidence and everyone has to toe the party line.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 17 Jun 17:01
10,000 new members joined the cult since Wednesday, that is obviously made up with lapsed ones, children, members cats and dogs, the children's favourite cartoon character and the free publicity from the Croatia 🇭🇷 supporters today, heard even Ken Bailey joined.
Post Edited (Sun 17 Jun 17:02)
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Sun 17 Jun 21:34
Salmond and Tammy the Shriek... they know how to run a pantomime.
Watch this space , a coo is on the way to take over the sheep.
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Sun 17 Jun 21:37
Aye wee Eck. Sturgeon, Blackford and Salmond..which one one is the dissident.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 17 Jun 22:19
Quote:
Mario, Sun 17 Jun 21:37
Aye wee Eck. Sturgeon, Blackford and Salmond..which one one is the dissident.
Which one of the one, two, three or four?
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Topic Originator: calpar
Date: Mon 18 Jun 08:06
Boris the bawbag
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Mon 18 Jun 08:29
One of the three after the full stop.
Drop punctuation in S3?
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Topic Originator: onlytakes
Date: Mon 18 Jun 16:21
Quote:
Tenruh, Sun 17 Jun 17:01
10,000 new members joined the cult since Wednesday, that is obviously made up with lapsed ones, children, members cats and dogs, the children's favourite cartoon character and the free publicity from the Croatia 🇭🇷 supporters today, heard even Ken Bailey joined.
I was going to put in an FOI to find out. It's not like the SNP have form for ignoring FOIs...
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Mon 18 Jun 17:50
Quote:
onlytakes, Mon 18 Jun 16:21
Quote:
Tenruh, Sun 17 Jun 17:01
10,000 new members joined the cult since Wednesday, that is obviously made up with lapsed ones, children, members cats and dogs, the children's favourite cartoon character and the free publicity from the Croatia 🇭🇷 supporters today, heard even Ken Bailey joined.
I was going to put in an FOI to find out. It's not like the SNP have form for ignoring FOIs...
Trying to hard there, ot
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Topic Originator: onlytakes
Date: Mon 18 Jun 18:18
??? Wait, HAVE they got form? Surely not? 😂
I've heard there's a request in already so the breakdown will be interesting. I didn't think under 18s could join political parties. Don't you need a credit card, or do the SNP allow payment in Haribo*?
*After independence all goods will be paid for using Haribo.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 19 Jun 08:42
To be fair Haribos are awesome.
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Topic Originator: onlytakes
Date: Tue 19 Jun 10:53
I'll trade you 5 fried eggs, 3 wee jelly babies and a giant strawberry for your car.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 19 Jun 11:13
Sold! (Hides fact he doesn't own a car until sweets are in the bag)
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Tue 19 Jun 13:45
19.11 till 19.30 Wednesday night only speaker was the tory minister. Why are you asking?
I thought we were talking about Tuesday night, but I don’t think the above is true either.
The reason I am asking, is I am seeing a lot of claims being made that are at odds with my understanding of events, so I am trying to find out what really happened.
It would appear that there is a lot of “fake news” about this episode, which begs the further question – why?
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Tue 19 Jun 13:57
Quote:
McCaig`s Tower, Tue 19 Jun 13:45
19.11 till 19.30 Wednesday night only speaker was the tory minister. Why are you asking?
I thought we were talking about Tuesday night, but I don’t think the above is true either.
The reason I am asking, is I am seeing a lot of claims being made that are at odds with my understanding of events, so I am trying to find out what really happened.
It would appear that there is a lot of “fake news” about this episode, which begs the further question – why?
No fake news mate. The evening before the walkout, Scottish MP's had 15 minutes to debate the power grab amendments and not one was given time to speak due to filibustering from the Tory Minister.
That sparked what happened the next day at PMQ'S
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Thaipar
Date: Tue 19 Jun 14:03
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Tue 19 Jun 13:57
Quote:
McCaig`s Tower, Tue 19 Jun 13:45
19.11 till 19.30 Wednesday night only speaker was the tory minister. Why are you asking?
I thought we were talking about Tuesday night, but I don’t think the above is true either.
The reason I am asking, is I am seeing a lot of claims being made that are at odds with my understanding of events, so I am trying to find out what really happened.
It would appear that there is a lot of “fake news” about this episode, which begs the further question – why?
No fake news mate. The evening before the walkout, Scottish MP's had 15 minutes to debate the power grab amendments and not one was given time to speak due to filibustering from the Tory Minister.
That sparked what happened the next day at PMQ'S
It's also my understanding that what he was calling for was a normal sequence of protocol, however as it was pmq's they decided it was not deemed important enough. So the SNP members were well within their rights to take the actions they did.
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Tue 19 Jun 14:30
No fake news mate. The evening before the walkout, Scottish MP's had 15 minutes to debate the power grab amendments and not one was given time to speak due to filibustering from the Tory Minister.
That sparked what happened the next day at PMQ'S
Weren't there 10 other speakers?
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 19 Jun 15:54
No, when it came to Clause 15 the only person that spoke was David Lidington.
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Tue 19 Jun 16:48
Yes, but what about here
Scroll to the end.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 19 Jun 18:57
As I understand it these other speakers resulted from Lidington 'giving way' rather than being called by the Speaker to speak You are the only person I have heard disputing that Lidington monopolised the debate. Even the unionist media accepted it..
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Topic Originator: onlytakes
Date: Tue 19 Jun 21:35
Much as I point out the SNPs failures they are still the party with the country's best interests at heart.
The Tory's are utter *rude word not suitable for dotnet* who intentionally time waste to stop proper debate. If they were on Just a Minute they'd win everytime.
That said, it just shows how ridiculously outdated Westminster is. All this faffing about having to do counts, walk in and out the chamber to vote, people hurrahing and booing. It's pathetic.
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Thu 21 Jun 14:18
I accept that the speakers in the debate were as a result of Lidington giving way, rather than being called by the speaker.
I still think this is slightly different from the picture being painted (that there were no such speakers).
I agree that Westminster is outdated - modernisation is overdue (but will cost).
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 21 Jun 14:59
An app to vote would cost nothing and save hundreds of hours a week... For starters....
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Thu 21 Jun 15:21
Quote:
Tenruh, Thu 21 Jun 14:59
An app to vote would cost nothing and save hundreds of hours a week... For starters....
Yep. The archaic voting system took up 3 hours alone from the debates.
The other day they were wheeling in ill MP's to vote.
This and other things exist for no other reason than outdated tradition.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 21 Jun 16:15
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Thu 21 Jun 15:21
Quote:
Tenruh, Thu 21 Jun 14:59
An app to vote would cost nothing and save hundreds of hours a week... For starters....
Yep. The archaic voting system took up 3 hours alone from the debates.
The other day they were wheeling in ill MP's to vote.
This and other things exist for no other reason than outdated tradition.
That's ×650 each vote..... Imagine if we still had industry and it was run in that way. No wonder Germany is the EU powerhouse.
Open your eyes England and stop dreaming of the past your becoming a backwards nation
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Topic Originator: onlytakes
Date: Thu 21 Jun 16:34
It's ironic that in any other public service there would've been a service redesign, the building would be sold to a hotel developer and everyone would be hotdesking from a cheap new build on the outskirts of town.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 21 Jun 16:45
Unfortunately politicians never learn, they forget they're there to serve the people, look what Scotland’s got and that was only built 20 years ago. Why was it not located around the central belt away from an inner city. Suppose the answer is in the last sentence... Taxi for McLetchie....
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 21 Jun 19:19
Quote:
Tenruh, Thu 21 Jun 16:45
Unfortunately politicians never learn, they forget they're there to serve the people, look what Scotland’s got and that was only built 20 years ago. Why was it not located around the central belt away from an inner city. Suppose the answer is in the last sentence... Taxi for McLetchie....
You really believe government is there to serve the people?
Cute.
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Topic Originator: onlytakes
Date: Thu 21 Jun 19:56
Scottish Parliament was a vanity project (should've been at the old Royal High imo) but at least has modern voting tech.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 21 Jun 20:55
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 21 Jun 19:19
Quote:
Tenruh, Thu 21 Jun 16:45
Unfortunately politicians never learn, they forget they're there to serve the people, look what Scotland’s got and that was only built 20 years ago. Why was it not located around the central belt away from an inner city. Suppose the answer is in the last sentence... Taxi for McLetchie....
You really believe government is there to serve the people?
Cute.
Fair enough Rasta, both you and Stevie have constantly tried to guide me but my nievity continues to fail me
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Topic Originator: calpar
Date: Fri 22 Jun 02:21
Rasta,yes they are, unfortunately we dont have the numbers of people !
You know that
Go for it?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 22 Jun 07:12
Quote:
Tenruh, Thu 21 Jun 20:55
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 21 Jun 19:19
Quote:
Tenruh, Thu 21 Jun 16:45
Unfortunately politicians never learn, they forget they're there to serve the people, look what Scotland’s got and that was only built 20 years ago. Why was it not located around the central belt away from an inner city. Suppose the answer is in the last sentence... Taxi for McLetchie....
You really believe government is there to serve the people?
Cute.
Fair enough Rasta, both you and Stevie have constantly tried to guide me but my nievity continues to fail me
I'll ask again...do you think governments are there to serve the people.
The clue is in the word "government".
Did you not get Latin at school?
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Fri 22 Jun 14:55
Traditions usually evolve for a reason; whether that reason still exists should be questioned, but it should also be borne in mind that there may be other reasons for something to happen.
One Westminster tradition is that you should vote in person. That could be reviewed, but the risk is people just vote remotely and no-one ever turns up. For all the advances in technology I think it is still better to do business in person.
As for the Scottish Parliament – where else would you put it? There are arguments that you could put it somewhere like Inverness to provide a boost to that area, but (and this is an old argument) this might not be particularly efficient in terms of public spending.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 22 Jun 15:32
''One Westminster tradition is that you should vote in person. That could be reviewed, but the risk is people just vote remotely and no-one ever turns up. For all the advances in technology I think it is still better to do business in person.''
Isn't it quite common at Westminster for MPs to vote on issues when they haven't attended, far less participated in, a debate? When the Division bell goes they emerge from all sorts of nooks and crannies to register their votes. The Labour MP who voted in a wheelchair had to be driven in from her hospital bed - absolutely incredible in 2018.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Fri 22 Jun 17:36
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 22 Jun 15:32
''One Westminster tradition is that you should vote in person. That could be reviewed, but the risk is people just vote remotely and no-one ever turns up. For all the advances in technology I think it is still better to do business in person.''
Isn't it quite common at Westminster for MPs to vote on issues when they haven't attended, far less participated in, a debate? When the Division bell goes they emerge from all sorts of nooks and crannies to register their votes. The Labour MP who voted in a wheelchair had to be driven in from her hospital bed - absolutely incredible in 2018.
They should vote in person but why can't it be arranged to vote whilst sitting in the chamber by means of a yes/no button l at a terminal in front of them. The problem is Westminster is an archaic dump which needs knocked down and a modern building used elsewhere in the country.
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Fri 22 Jun 17:44
Yes, it is common. It doesn’t mean that they don’t know the issues, or haven’t been following the debate elsewhere. Is the same not true of Holyrood?
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Topic Originator: onlytakes
Date: Sun 1 Jul 08:04
SNP never responded to the FOI on membership demographics...
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sun 1 Jul 10:32
Quote:
onlytakes, Sun 1 Jul 08:04
SNP never responded to the FOI on membership demographics...
Are they required to?
It doesn't involve Gov policy so why would they have to give this information about internal stuff?
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Sun 1 Jul 13:01
Quote:
AdamAntsParsStripe, Sun 1 Jul 10:32
Quote:
onlytakes, Sun 1 Jul 08:04
SNP never responded to the FOI on membership demographics...
Are they required to?
It doesn't involve Gov policy so why would they have to give this information about internal stuff?
I don't think it's covered by the act. So no they do not need to respond.
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Topic Originator: onlytakes
Date: Sun 1 Jul 17:45
Do you two work in their info governance unit? They DO have to respond. Okay, it's only UK legislation 😉
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Topic Originator: onlytakes
Date: Sun 1 Jul 17:49
I'll ask the same of Labour and the Tories and see how promptly they respond. Need to be fair.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 1 Jul 19:36
You may well get the same response as political parties are not covered by FOI legislation.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: onlytakes
Date: Sun 1 Jul 22:06
They can, and should, still respond even if it's to decline. It's data they all have to hand. Of course, they may not wish to admit a number of their members are too young to even hold a crayon properly (admittedly, many of our politicians still struggle with the Crayola's).
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 1 Jul 22:54
You seemed to imply though that their failure to respond was a breach of UK legislation.
I doubt few of the membership are non adults. Becoming a member of a political party can't be on many childrens to do list.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: onlytakes
Date: Mon 2 Jul 10:10
Yes, I considered them to be a public body liable to FOI legislation. Apparently not. Lucky for them!
I tried the SNP one yesterday. For the princely sum of £2 it would let me sign up someone born yesterday.
In fairness, I've not tried the other political parties. My original request for the information related to a number of SNP fanatics boasting on social media about signing up their kids as they desperately tried to overtake the Tories for membership.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 2 Jul 10:47
Quite frankly political parties shouldn't be allowed to accept membership applications from under 16s. Parents signing up their kids need to get a grip.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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