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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 1 Mar 13:02
Donald J Trump really needs a war; a deflection away from his mounting troubles on the domestic front.
So, don't be at all surprised if in the next few weeks US troops go into Venezuela, ostensibly on the basis of freeing up humanitarian supplies to that nation's people who are allegedly suffering at the hands of the socialist government of Nicolas Maduro.
It is all an elaborate ruse; a crisis created by the US government and the CIA to topple the socialist government that has been in power since 1999 and thus open the door to the privatisation of the richest oil reserves in the world, the richest reserves of gold and the fourth richest reserves of gas.
For the past few years, the US has led a coalition of largely western nations in progressively placing tougher and tougher sanctions on Venezuela's economy, squeezing its trade, putting a halt on Venezuelan bank accounts overseas, and stopping the supply of vital medicines and food from entering the country.
What is painted as ineptitude on the part of the Maduro government is actually a crisis wholly manufactured in the corridors of power in Washington and the boardrooms of Wall Street banks and oil companies in Texas and Louisiana.
Despite the noisy support of a hopelessly complicit overseas media, a recent coup attempt failed. Nevertheless, a US-educated stooge named Juan Guaido stands by as a puppet president in waiting, and he probably won't have to wait too long as that was just the first salvo. There's more to come.
There are reports that US troops are currently gathering in Puerto Rico, which will act as a staging post when the invasion eventually comes.
You will know that the operation is about to start when you see Trump's national security advisor John Bolton turning up more regularly on your TV screens. He's the nutjob that was a key instigator of the Iraq War. He's also been spoiling for a fight with Iran but that will have to wait.
Venezuela is way too juicy a target for America's richest 1%... there's good money to be made from this little skirmish.
Watch this space.
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Fri 1 Mar 13:16
"Mounting troubles on the domestic front"lol.Cohen just gave him clean bill of health in terms of Russia collusion,but hey don't let facts dissuade you.
As for Venezuela,quite astonishing what has happened to that country with the rich natural resources at hand.
A warning once again to all that socialism is not the answer to anything.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 1 Mar 16:17
Oz, have you been drinking at the same bar as Shakey?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Fri 1 Mar 17:19
Coming to the UK should Comrade Corbyn ever get elected.
As for Trump, he'll be fine, and I suspect will soon enough be serving a second term.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Fri 1 Mar 17:42
I wouldn't necessarily agree with the way OzPar has phrased his entire post but I do agree with the underlying point which is that the current situation has been a long time in the making from some pretty sustained US interference.
Yes corruption is rife in Venezuela (as it is in most of LatAm) and some of the guys targeted aren't the nicest of people which helps with the bad guy image but the last thing the US wants is a successful Socialist Government on its door step, particularly one with oil reserves the size of Venezuela.
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Fri 1 Mar 17:43
"Successful socialist govt"..where in the history of the world has that ever happened?
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Fri 1 Mar 18:55
I mean, would probably help if most weren't manipulated and bullied by the Yanks. Iran is one of my favourite examples. Super forward thinking country, Britain and America see them as a threat to Middle east resources for ourselves, send in special forces, oust the government and install a right wing, religious lunatic and set the country back decades.
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Fri 1 Mar 23:34
"Super forward thinking country"..unless your Jewish or like Israel.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 2 Mar 01:24
<<"Successful socialist govt"..where in the history of the world has that ever happened?>>
Norway?
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sat 2 Mar 02:12
Denmark, Iceland, Finland, Estonia to add to that list Oz.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Sat 2 Mar 07:33
Iran a super forward thinking country?
I really have heard it all now.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 2 Mar 07:42
I don't think Andrew was saying Iran is a super forward thinking country now. I think he was saying it *was* but his post still doesn't make sense to me. It seems like he might be saying that under the Shah Iran was a super forward thinking nation and that the West instigated the revolution to install a west hating right wing religious goverment?? Like I said that doesn't make sense to me.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Sat 2 Mar 12:18
Norway isn't socialist.Norway was an economic success before it built it's welfare state.It wasn't the govt benefits that created wealth but wealth that allowed many govt programmes.
Also these countries have no minimum wage laws,the unions are powerful but the govt does nothing to intervene.Workers are paid what they are worth.
The Nordic countries practice free market enterprise.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 2 Mar 13:12
If the absence of a minimum wage indicates an absence of socialism, does the presence of a minimum wage indicate the presence of socialism?
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Sat 2 Mar 13:15
It indicates increased govt control.Let's face it we need free markets to create any wealth.That is the only reason any welfare programmes exist in the first place.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 2 Mar 13:23
I would have thought the imposition of a minimum wage was an indication that an unregulated free market did not work.
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Sat 2 Mar 13:33
A free market does work.what doesn't work is having 22 million illegal immigrants driving down wages.Hence the only reason it's even in the conversation.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 2 Mar 18:53
We haven't got 22 million illegal immigrants.
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Sun 3 Mar 00:38
That's a good thing.Mind you big business loves it.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sun 3 Mar 08:19
Some of you really need to look into countries instead of believing the headlines.
This is about oil...again.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 3 Mar 10:53
Correct, Rasta.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sun 3 Mar 12:06
So Denmark, Norway etc aint socialist but Bernie Sanders is when he wants to implement Danish style policies in the US? Whit!? 😂
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Sun 3 Mar 12:43
Bernie just mentions "Free" stuff all the time.it appeals.Why wouldn't it.
Oops hang on,just read this mornings headline"Bernie vows to fight racism"
Yep it's official he has joined the other lunatics in his party that see skin colour as everything.
I wonder if Bernie will mention that the single family rate in the black community has risen from 20% in the 1950's to 75% right now.Give him his due,Obama did.Bernie i fear won't be so bold.
Post Edited (Sun 03 Mar 13:04)
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Tue 30 Apr 17:56
The USA is a disgraceful country
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Wed 1 May 11:56
Yep...no other country in history has ever tried to take another's possession.It's relatively new.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Wed 1 May 18:29
"The USA is a disgraceful country"
Pretty sure 99.999% of the world would still rather live there than in the socialist hell that has been unleashed in Venezuela.
Still, stick around here for a while and we might go the same way under Comrade Corbyn.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 1 May 20:25
Venezuela is not failing because it has a socialist government is it failing because it’s politicians are inept and corrupt and because of interference by USA to destabilise the country.
Plenty of right wing led countries have failed for similar reasons.
Look at the UK today, well on its way to becoming a failed state.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 1 May 20:25
Venezuela is not failing because it has a socialist government is it failing because it’s politicians are inept and corrupt and because of interference by USA to destabilise the country.
Plenty of right wing led countries have failed for similar reasons.
Look at the UK today, well on its way to becoming a failed state.
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Wed 1 May 23:19
I also worry that the US might be trying to interfere here as well.Only one thing counts there and that's money.
Lot's of things to scoop up,whils't 'helping' us with the dodgiest trade deal you could imagine.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 2 May 04:23
Any country that has natural resources in abundance or is strategically placed geographically will be subject to interference from the USA.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 2 May 08:32
Russia has been interfering quite a lot in Venezuela. I take it they get a pass?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Thu 2 May 09:06
"Look at the UK today, well on its way to becoming a failed state."
Consistent (albeit slow) growth,
Record levels of employment,
Low inflation,
Low interest rates.
Yeah, we're up sh*t creek in a barbed wire canoe right enough.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 2 May 11:18
Crime increasing, homophobia increasing, stabbings in England out of control, poverty levels at a record high in modern times, UN report on poverty damning , most indebted country in the developed world, one of the lowest pensions in the developed world, working poverty at record high, gap between rich and poor at record high, the list is endless, and all about to get worse when Brexit kicks in. Interest rates will soon start rising as will inflation, pound will plummet. Yip everything is rosey.
Don’t get me started on employment levels.
1 person working 40 hours per week = 1 job
10 people working 4 hours per week = 10 jobs.
If they cook the books any more there will be more people in employment than there are of actual working age.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Thu 2 May 11:27
If ever there was a post this applied to, you've just made it.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 2 May 13:54
The UK calling a country corrupt😂😂😂
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 2 May 22:43
Fake news....lol. All true in modern day Britain unfortunately.
You keep believing we are flourishing as a country if you will . The UK is dire.
I missed out homelessness rocketing also.
Personal debt at a record high.
NHS in England in particular in a shocking state.
Still we have nukes though so all is good.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Fri 3 May 08:59
And still not a single statistic quoted. Do you just open "The National" and quote some of its headlines ? A far better use for it would be wiping your bottom .
Fact is, economically, the UK is performing very well at the minute and certainly much better than the doom mongers said it would in the event of a Brexit vote.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 3 May 10:56
It's so unfair that one newspaper supports independence isn't it? We're still in the EU by the way, in case you hadn't noticed.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Fri 3 May 11:18
"We're still in the EU by the way, in case you hadn't noticed."
Thanks for pointing that out. I wasn't quite sure.
With respect you know fine well what I mean. We were told that even voting for Brexit was going to have a cataclysmic impact on our economy. Since the vote the economy has continued to steadily grow. What happened to that emergency budget we were going to need ?
The good old days
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 3 May 11:34
Ask your Tory friend George Osborne. He was good at spinning scare stories before referenda.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Fri 3 May 13:56
Much like your Cybernat chums are still doing about Brexit you mean ?
The good old days
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Topic Originator: Jbob
Date: Fri 3 May 14:00
Richie diverts another thread away from his misogynistic, homophobic, racist president
Bobs of the world unite
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Fri 3 May 14:06
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-cost-how-much-uk-economy-money-spent-a8854726.html
Oh dear £66 billion in three years.....a mere trifling to the cost when we actually do Brexit.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 3 May 14:12
<<Russia has been interfering quite a lot in Venezuela. I take it they get a pass?>>
Russia has been providing loans to Venezuela since America placed sanctions on the country. It has also been supplying the military with weapons, again in the face of sanctions. In exchange, it has taken sizeable shareholdings in Venezuelan energy companies and banks.
So it is not so much a case of it interfering, much more a case of it looking after its own interests.
That's the way of modern global politics.
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Topic Originator: richie5401
Date: Fri 3 May 14:12
lol..Trump a women hater.As for the other claims,laughable.Enforcing land borders is now deemed an act of Hatred..or to quote Kirsten Gillibrand " no one is illegal"How did so many get so idiotic?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 3 May 16:40
''Much like your Cybernat chums are still doing about Brexit you mean ?''
I bet none of them used to be Chancellor of the Exchequer.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 3 May 18:18
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 3 May 11:34
Ask your Tory friend George Osborne. He was good at spinning scare stories before referenda.
He was pretty good at coke and hookers too....
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Topic Originator: MikeyLeonard
Date: Fri 3 May 22:43
Come on now Rasta, lets just stick to the negatives 😂
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 4 May 07:04
Quote:
MikeyLeonard, Fri 3 May 22:43
Come on now Rasta, lets just stick to the negatives 😂
🤣🤣
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Topic Originator: RhinoPars
Date: Tue 21 May 14:42
We will have to disagree on this one Oz. I have been to Venezuela once and my next door neighbour is Venezuelan. His family had assets stolen by that b****** Chavez who screwed up the economy despite all the oil revenue. Maduro is a dictator clinging to power with violent repression of his people, and he made sure elections that would have got rid of him (that should have happened constitutionally) didn’t take place. A people’s vote overwhelmingly voted him out. He is being propped up with Russian support. Life is terrible for people stuck there right now with a high proportion of the population leaving as refugees. I will celebrate the end of Maduro’s dictatorship and a return to democracy.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Tue 21 May 17:07
Is Maduro a ‘dictator?’ Possibly, but no more so than in many other countries favourable to the USA where they are called ‘strong men.’ He actually won his last election for president, although it was called ‘a sham’ by those opposed to him. His biggest crime is that he is not the USA’s man. He comes from a working class background, his father was a trade unionist, and he supports the policies of Chavez. For these three reasons he is simply unsuitable and must be removed.
Who would replace him? The alternatives are a handful of billionaires, a Christian Evangelist named in the Panama Papers for corruption, and Guaido. These would all be highly agreeable to the USA but less so for the Venezuelan people who would prefer not to see their oil revenues looted from abroad. Guaido was educated for a time in the USA so despite never even standing for election is now recognised by them as being president. It’s as if Nigel Farage was recognised as Prime Minister. Guaido has been a bit of a disaster however, for despite the sabotaging of the electric grid to convince the Venezuelan public the country was falling apart, he failed to deliver the military coup that would, in that time worn phrase beloved of the Pentagon, ‘return democracy to Venezuela.’ Washington will not forgive him for that bloody nose.
The Venezuelan people have no great love left for Maduro; but they are not reckless enough just yet to throw in their lot with the opposition.
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