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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Wed 27 Mar 22:50
Shamelessly stolen from Reddit, but this is outstanding.
"Imagine you knew someone who had slipped into a coma three years ago and now they woke up and asked “what have I missed”? Where would you even begin to summarise what has happened?
Well, remember David Cameron – the leader who stuck his pork-sword in a dead pigs mouth? To suck up to his old school friends he called a referendum on Britain’s membership of the EU.
During the campaign, Boris Johnson stood in front of a bus (sadly not while it was moving) to tell us how much better off the NHS would be if we left the EU.
Experts in the fields of health, economics, business and security said leaving the EU was a really bad idea. Michael Gove – the love-child of a salamander and Mr Bean – told us we had had enough of experts.
Millionaire man-of-the-people Nigel Farage stood in front of a poster showing refugees from Syria – a country the UK had bombed – and used it as an argument for us leaving Europe. He denied it was designed to stir up racial hatred.
MP Jo Cox was shot dead by a white supremacist.
On the night of the referendum Nigel Farage admitted his campaign had probably lost but said that if the result was something like 52% to 48 it would be “unfinished business by a long way”. His campaign won by 52% to 48. Farage declared it was decisive.
Having spent his whole career repeating that we would be better off out of the EU (while earning money from the EU), Farage then claimed “I never said we would be better off out of the EU” before applying for a German passport.
David Cameron, the man who started the process, promptly did the greatest disappearing act since Lord Lucan and hasn’t been seen since.
Everyone who campaigned for us to leave the EU, rather than put forward a coherent plan, suddenly went very quiet. The task of taking us out of the EU was given to a person who had voted for us to remain.
Boris Johnson, a man who has made a career out of insulting foreigners, was made Foreign Secretary. He also revealed that he had made that whole NHS thing up.
Michael Gove, the man who said we had had enough of experts, was put in charge of protecting our environment.
Rather than draw up a plan for exiting the EU before triggering the process, Theresa May triggered the process without any idea of how to do it. The EU was due to implement tax-avoidance laws targeting the super-rich on 1st April 2019 so it was imperative that Britain left the EU on 29th March 2019.
Concerned that she didn’t have a large enough majority to push Brexit through, Theresa May called a general election and lost the majority that she already had. She was forced to use to taxpayer’s money to bribe some Protestant fundamentalists in order to stay in power.
It was revealed that Facebook had been selling people’s personal details to some shady companies behind the Leave Campaign. It was also revealed that the Leave Campaign broke the law but this didn’t matter because the result was the “will of the people”.
The same shady companies admitted that the Brexit campaign had been used as a “petri-dish for the Trump campaign” to see what they could get away with. Donald Trump was promptly elected as US president. The Trump campaign is currently under investigation for alleged Russian interference.
In the UK, the Leave Campaign had received the biggest political donation in history from a man who apparently had no money but was married to a suspected Russian spy. Still, “will of the people” and all that.
The man in charge of negotiating our exit from the EU did nothing for nearly two years and then resigned. His replacement was so stunned by the revelation that goods crossed the English Channel by boat that he also resigned.
In an attempt to mitigate the potential loss of sea-borne freight, the Transport Minister awarded a shipping contract to a company with no ships (and whose terms and conditions had been copied and pasted from a pizza delivery firm).
Theresa May, having lost her majority and been found in contempt of parliament but somehow still in charge, put forward a vote on a Brexit deal. It lost by 68% to 32 so she tried again. It lost by 62% to 38. She is attempting to try a third time. Einstein once said that “the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results” but they ignore him because he was foreign.
There were calls for a “people’s vote” on the process but Theresa May, who keeps putting forward the same vote on repeat, said that giving the electorate a say would be “undemocratic”.
So that’s where we are.
And still, in all that time, the thing they would probably find hardest to believe is that England reached the semi-finals of the World Cup."
Post Edited (Wed 27 Mar 22:50)
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Topic Originator: londonparsclub
Date: Wed 27 Mar 23:04
The public should sign a petition for a no confidence vote in the U.K. Government
HF05
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Wed 27 Mar 23:38
I'd think a petition with nearly 6 million votes might imply 'the will of the people' is now the will of Rees Mogg and his gang protecting their tax havens.
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Topic Originator: wetherby
Date: Thu 28 Mar 09:32
fantastic summary Bandy.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Thu 28 Mar 16:48
"I'd think a petition with nearly 6 million votes might imply 'the will of the people' is now the will of Rees Mogg and his gang protecting their tax havens."
Or it might only imply that 6 million people just feel the same as they did 3 years ago.
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Thu 28 Mar 22:24
Does anyone really believe the 6 million number has not been inflated?
It’s already been established that around 250k came from outside the U.K.
We also know that there have been multiple votes by individuals using different email addresses.
Same goes for the claim that 1 million people turned out for the march last weekend.
Different authorative sources estimate the numbers at nearer 300k.
Same goes for the previous march where it was claimed that 700k turned out when the number was nearer 120k
The BBC will never challenge the estimates from the organisers as it doesn’t suit their agenda.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 28 Mar 22:36
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47678763
Here is the BBC report on the march and as you can read they do challenge the notion that there was one million at the protest. I guess that doesn't suit your agenda though?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
Post Edited (Thu 28 Mar 23:42)
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Fri 29 Mar 09:27
I’ve read it a couple of times and nowhere does it “challenge” the notion that there was one million at the protest.
The report says “hundreds of thousands marched” and then in the next sentence quotes the million number given by organisers. That’s not a contradiction.
This report is buried away in the Politics section of BBC on-line.
What went out on all BBC TV news broadcasts was the reference to one million and they still keep quoting it.
“Facts said Mr Gradgrind are all that are necessary in life......”
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Fri 29 Mar 10:16
Quote:
parbucks, Fri 29 Mar 09:27
I’ve read it a couple of times and nowhere does it “challenge” the notion that there was one million at the protest.
The report says “hundreds of thousands marched” and then in the next sentence quotes the million number given by organisers. That’s not a contradiction.
This report is buried away in the Politics section of BBC on-line.
What went out on all BBC TV news broadcasts was the reference to one million and they still keep quoting it.
“Facts said Mr Gradgrind are all that are necessary in life......”
The BBC do not ever say there were a million people there. Their own correspondent said it went into the hundred of thousands. The BBC quotes what the marchers claimed but said it was impossible to verify.
As for being buried away on the politics section. It's a political march where should it go? I can confirm that on the day of the march the story appeared at the top of my feed on their Android news app. It's not going to stay top for days though and will be filled in the appropriate area of the website.
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Topic Originator: Perkins
Date: Fri 29 Mar 10:22
It seems people just jump on the biased BBC bandwagon without actually looking at the reporting themselves
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Fri 29 Mar 13:14
“Brexit march: Million joined Brexit protest, organisers say”
So why did the BBC lead with this headline rather than their own correspondent’s
remarks?
I think we know why.
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Topic Originator: Perkins
Date: Fri 29 Mar 15:00
Clearly states it's the organisers' claim and the article says it's difficult to know and provides some photos. There are no facts.
I think any reasonable person would have no issue with this reporting.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Fri 29 Mar 19:41
Quote:
Perkins, Fri 29 Mar 15:00
Clearly states it's the organisers' claim and the article says it's difficult to know and provides some photos. There are no facts.
I think any reasonable person would have no issue with this reporting.
""Agreed
Post Edited (Fri 29 Mar 19:41)
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 30 Mar 10:42
Quoting the BBC 😂😂😂😂
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Sat 30 Mar 19:21
Quote:
Rastapari, Sat 30 Mar 10:42
Quoting the BBC 😂😂😂😂
Eh....
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 2 Apr 08:07
First time I've laughed at anything related to Brexit. An excellent read from start to finish. Thanks for sharing, Bandy.
I've sent it to quite a few pals myself and they all liked it, even one guy who voted Leave.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: calpar
Date: Sun 7 Apr 23:45
Summary ? - shambles, from start to now, not even finished
wouldnt trust current wm parliament to run a bath, sooner Scotland vote for independence from RUK the better, we are better than this
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 9 Apr 15:44
Quote:
calpar, Sun 7 Apr 23:45
Summary ? - shambles, from start to now, not even finished
wouldnt trust current wm parliament to run a bath, sooner Scotland vote for independence from RUK the better, we are better than this
Sigh....here we are talking incompetence again...follow the money....the right people are making a fortune...this is all by design imo.
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Topic Originator: Perkins
Date: Tue 9 Apr 22:08
"Topic Originator: calpar
Date: Sun 7 Apr 23:45
Summary ? - shambles, from start to now, not even finished
wouldnt trust current wm parliament to run a bath, sooner Scotland vote for independence from RUK the better, we are better than this"
Withdrawal from the Union would be just as much of a shambles.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 10 Apr 00:52
Quote:
Perkins, Tue 9 Apr 22:08
"Topic Originator: calpar
Date: Sun 7 Apr 23:45
Summary ? - shambles, from start to now, not even finished
wouldnt trust current wm parliament to run a bath, sooner Scotland vote for independence from RUK the better, we are better than this"
Withdrawal from the Union would be just as much of a shambles.
Better stay in then and remain a slave nation.
Fair play to the 140+ other nation's since 1945 which have gained independence from their masters.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 10 Apr 06:38
Feels like I've just seen the key argument for the No campaign in the next indy ref... Don't even think the unionists could argue we're an equal partner or 'better together' anymore! 😂
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Sun 14 Apr 23:42
What a load of bollox.
"Leave lied, Leave lied - we demand another referendum."
"In fact, better if we just cancel Article 50"
GTF you bunch of self-serving undemocratic cheats!!!
You lost - you cannot demand a rerun.
Or - actually, I didn't like the result on Saturday, lets demand that the Pars-Scum game is replayed again and again until we get the 'right' result?
Remain told MANY more lies.
No doubt emboldened by the success of scare stories and 'project fear' in the Scottish referendum - don't change a winning team, huh?
http://www.dailyglobe.co.uk/comment/the-many-lies-of-the-remain-campaign/
1. The idea of an EU army was a dangerous fantasy
In April 2014, Nigel Farage and Nick Clegg debated EU membership. The following exchange was made:
Farage: “Forty years ago, it was a ‘Common Market’. Now it’s a European Union that wants an air force, an army, a navy…..”
Clegg: “This is a dangerous fantasy. The idea there’s going to be a European air force, a European army… it is simply not true.”
Throughout the referendum campaign, Remainers claimed similarly that an EU army was a figment of the Leave side’s imagination. However since the referendum, this has been proven to be false. In November 2018, the French and German leaders Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron joined politicians like Jean-Claude Juncker and Guy Verhofstadt in calling for an EU wide army.
Since 2017, an EU initiative known as PESCO (Permanent Structured Cooperation) has been initiated, which is part of the EU’s Security and Defence policy (CSDP), in which member states pursue integration of their national armed forces.
2. Voting to leave the EU would have an immediate detrimental effect on the UK’s economy
During the referendum campaign, Remainer economists from the Bank of England to the IMF, warned that a mere vote to leave would severely impact the UK’s economy.
In May 2016, HM Trasury released an economic analysis titled: “HM Treasury Analysis: the immediate economic impact of leaving the EU”. The report made some catastrophic predictions of what would happen to the UK economy should a leave vote be returned (note: this is purely based on a vote to leave being returned, not on the UK actually leaving the EU).
What has really happened? Between June 2016 and 2018, for many metrics ONS figures demonstrate the opposite to what was predicted. GDP has risen 3.2%, not fallen. Unemployment has also fallen by 260,000 (a change in the unemployment rate of -0.8%), as opposed to rising. Average real wages have risen by +0.8%, and house prices have risen by 3.5%. The Treasury called the direction of only two metrics correctly, but still with a large amount of error – the CPI inflation rate is now at +2.4, and the Sterling rate exchange index is around -7%.
3. An emergency budget would be necessary upon a Leave vote being delivered
In June 2016, George Osborne and his predecessor Alistair Darling shared a platform and said that a vote to leave would leave a “£30bn black hole” in the UK’s public finances, requiring an “emergency budget” where public services would be slashed and taxes would be raised.
Osborne predicted that the basic rate of income tax would rise by 2%, the higher rate would rise by 3%, and police, transport and local governments would see their spending cut by 5%, with education, the NHS and defence also seeing “slashed” budgets.
As we know, a vote to Leave was delivered, and none of this happened.
4. Britain would be at the “back of the queue” for a US trade deal
In April 2016, the then United States President Barack Obama visited London and made dire warnings to the Leave campaign following the United States’ intentions regarding a future free trade deal.
“I think it’s fair to say that maybe some point down the line there might be a UK-US trade agreement, but it’s not going to happen any time soon because our focus is in negotiating with a big bloc, the European Union, to get a trade agreement done.
The UK is going to be in the back of the queue.”
— Barack Obama, speaking at a press conference held at the Foreign Office in London
This turned out to be one of the biggest lies in the campaign. It later emerged that the reason Obama made these comments was not because of his personal belief, but because David Cameron requested him to, in order to try and discredit the Leave campaign.
This lie was further debunked in January 2018, when US Treasury secretary Steven Mnuchin said that the UK was “at the front of the queue” when the UK was ready to start negotiations. This was followed by congressman George Holding repeating the same thing in June 2018.
5. The UK would break up following a vote to leave
Remainers also warned throughout the referendum campaign that Brexit threatened the constitutional make up of the UK and that Scotland could secede from the United Kingdom.
It is true that he vote divided the nation, with England and Wales voting to Leave, whilst Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to Remain. Polling in the aftermath of the shock referendum result and David Cameron’s resignation showed that support for Scottish independence surged to up to a 7% lead.
However with Theresa May’s appointment as Prime Minister in July 2016, polls reversed back to normal, indicating that a majority of Scots preferred staying in the union.
6. Article 50 would be triggered immediately
In February 2016, whilst addressing the House of Commons, David Cameron implied that Article 50 could be expected to be triggered immediately after a Leave vote was delivered. This was intended to focus Leavers’ minds as to the finality of the upcoming decision.
“If the British people vote to leave, there is only one way to bring that about, namely to trigger article 50 of the treaties and begin the process of exit, and the British people would rightly expect that to start straight away.”
— David Cameron addressing parliament in February 2016.
All forecasting throughout the referendum used this premise, and it was used to predict immediate economic shock, as well as a warning from Remainers that it would trigger an immediate, irreversible process.
We now know this to be a lie. Article 50 was triggered on the 29th March 2017, almost a year after a vote to leave was delivered.
7. This was a once in a generation decision, and there would be no going back
In February 2015, David Cameron made a speech at Chatham House confirming that he would ask EU leaders for a new model for British relations with the EU. In order to perhaps influence those in Brussles who were reluctant to negotiate, he threatened that should the British vote to leave, then their decision would be final. He therefore urged the EU to negotiate in good faith. He said: “This is a huge decision for our country. Perhaps the biggest we’ll make in our lifetime. And it will be the final decision.
Throughout the referendum campaign this theme continued, mainly from Remain campaigners who thought they would eventually win the vote. Here’s a selection of statements made by Remainers before the referendum:
“If we come out, we are out. That’s it. It’s not politically credible to go back and say we’ve reconsidered, or let’s have another referendum. If we vote to stay out, then we are out, and we will have to get on with it.”
— John Major, speaking on the Andrew Marr show in December 2015
“I will forgive no-one who does not accept the sovereign voice of the British people once it has spoken, whether it is by 1% or 20%.”
— Paddy Ashdown, speaking as votes were being counted for the referendum (and when Remain were projected to win)
“There will be some people who like those Japanese soldiers who continued fighting the last war because no-one had told them it had ended in some Pacific island, who will carry on arguing and arguing and arguing. The rest of us, will just move on. Carry on, with the rest of our lives.”
— Nick Clegg, speaking at the Oxford Union in 2015
After the vote to leave was delivered, all of these politicians backtracked on their earlier comments and called for a second referendum with an option to Remain. In December 2018, John Major called for Article 50 to be revoked immediately. Remainers have persistently entertained the idea of a second vote, with an aim of overturning the first (I explain why this is undemocratic here). Their initial statements saying the vote must be respected have been shown to be lies.
8. A hard border would be required in Ireland if there was a no-deal Brexit
The Irish border issue was central to Remain campaigning, despite a Common Travel Area existing in Ireland since 1923. Remainers said that in the event of a no-deal, a border will be required in Ireland, either at the insistence of the WTO, or due to the demands of the EU.
Remainers even went as far to say that Brexit threatened the Good Friday Agreement, and peace in Northern Ireland.
This has all been seen to be entirely false. Firstly, the Good Friday Agreement doesn’t specifically say goods or customs checks cannot be made at the border. Emergency border checkpoints were set up amidst the foot and mouth crisis in 2001, and the GFA remained in force. Also, since the Brexit vote was delivered, the British and Irish governments, as well as the EU itself, have said that under no circumstances will any of them erect a “hard border”. In November 2018, the WTO confirmed that its rules would not force a hard border to be put in place.
It is therefore difficult to say who will build this border after we leave the EU.
9. The UK, through Cameron’s negotiation, had “secured a special status in a reformed EU.”
In early 2016, Cameron negotiated with the EU for a “new deal for Britain”, which he could then sell to the public to persuade them to vote Remain. Information about this new deal was publicised in a controversial leaflet that went to every household in the country.
The page from the government EU referendum leaflet saying that a special status had been secured for Britain.
The leaflet claimed that Cameron’s negotiation had secured a “special status” for the UK, when in reality, it had not. Several points were already in the European treaties, so were not a result of Cameron’s renegotiation, and most importantly nothing the EU had assured Cameron was legally binding. Also, absolutely none of what was claimed was exclusive to the UK, as the “special status” inferred.
10. Migrant camps would appear throughout South East England
In 2003, the Le Touquet Agreement was signed between Britain, France and Belgium. This was an agreement saying that border controls would take place before boarding a train or ferry, as opposed to on arrival after disembarkation.
During the referendum campaign, prominent Remainers claimed that a vote for Brexit would lead to France cancelling the agreement, and as a result the notorious Calais migrant camp known as ‘The Jungle’ would move to Kent. It was claimed that up to 50,00 asylum seekers from Calais could enter the UK every year.
This has since been shown to be wildly sensationalised. After the Brexit vote was delivered, the French did indeed seek a renegotiation of the accord, and a new treaty was announced in 2017. However far from scrapping the Le Touquet agreement as the Remainers claimed would happen, the British have agreed to pledge more money on securing Calais, as well as a speeding up of the asylum process, and the agreement remains in force.
11. Families would be £4,300 worse off if Britain left the EU
If the “£350m per week” slogan on the bus was misleading, then Osborne’s claim that households would be £4,300 worse off if they voted to leave the EU was far worse.
To get this figure, HM Treasury forecast that in 2030 the UK economy would be 6% smaller if we voted to leave, compared to if we voted to Remain (37% growth if we Remain, compared to 30% growth if we leave). They then divided this 6% of UK GDP by the number of households in Britain to obtain £4,300 per household.
This was incredibly misleading, and ultimately a lie. Firstly, GDP growth is not the same thing as household spending. A rise in GDP does not necessarily mean all households have more spending power.
Secondly, although the wording sounded like people would be worse off, in reality the forecast stated that people would be better off – it would just be by 6% less compared to if a Remain vote was returned. This figure was also seen as overly pessimistic (studies for The Centre for Economic Performance at the London School of Economics put the figure at 1.3 – 2.6%. A report by Open Britain even claimed the UK could be better off by 1.3%, mainly by cutting EU red tape. This was all ignored in the Treasury’s campaigning to the public.
Contrary to what Remainers constantly say about the Leave campaign misleading the people, it is clear that the Remain campaign lied just as much, if not far more. Fortunately, the wisdom of the British people prevailed, and they saw through most of the lies to vote for Brexit in numbers never before seen in a nationwide election.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 15 Apr 09:29
So, in their 'wisdom', the British people saw through more of the lies of the Remain campaign than of the Leave campaign.
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