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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 4 Jun 17:52
And May says **** all.
I may have mentioned this before, many mocked it.
Thoughts?
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Tue 4 Jun 18:22
Honestly, if we do just fire sale the NHS and the country doesn't end up in complete riots within a week I'm done. About time people stood up for these some of the great things about this country
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 4 Jun 18:24
Pretty sure I've been posting it for a while too Rasta but we've been suckered by Project Fear....
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Tue 4 Jun 18:47
Whether May says anything now is utterly irrelevant.
You know as well as anybody too it isn't going to happen. Our spineless politicians in Westminster are going to ensure that either we get no Brexit or we get a Brexit that will not allow any kind of free trade deals with the rest of the world.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Tue 4 Jun 19:12
What happens if Brexit Party win a General Election?
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Jbob
Date: Tue 4 Jun 19:39
The Brexit party will never win a General election.
They got a 1/3 of the vote. 36% voted. They got 12% of all voters.
Bobs of the world unite
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Tue 4 Jun 19:43
The NHS is not up for grabs.
You have been listening to too many BBC, Channel 4 tree huggers.
In any negotiation there will be posturing on both sides before the scope is determined.
By the way it might be no bad thing if some USA drugs companies could tender to supply the NHS as it’s clear the current procurement processes show we are being ripped off by current suppliers.
Post Edited (Tue 04 Jun 20:08)
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Tue 4 Jun 19:50
Forgive me for my cynicism parbucks, but I don't agree that the NHS is not up for grabs.
Brexit has entirely changed the political landscape. If it were as cut and dried as you say then TM and all of the leadership candidates would be queuing up to get our posturing in.
Perhaps demanding one of their sacred cows be slaughtered at our alter? Maybe we could posture by telling them to get rid of their guns before we even consider talking to them?
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 4 Jun 19:54
Quote:
parbucks, Tue 4 Jun 19:43
The NHS is not up for grabs.
You have been listening to too many BBC, Channel 4 tree huggers.
In any negotiation there will be posturing on both sides before the scope is determined.
By the way it might be no bad thing if some USA drugs companies could tender to supply the NHS as it’s clear the current procurement processes show we are being ripped of by current suppliers.
By creating an internal market we lost the ability to bulk buy across the NHS..
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Tue 4 Jun 20:06
Quote:
parbucks, Tue 4 Jun 19:43
By the way it might be no bad thing if some USA drugs companies could tender to supply the NHS as it’s clear the current procurement processes show we are being ripped of by current suppliers.
You can't be serious there? The NHS gets shafted badly enough for drugs prices among other things without having to deal with the disgustingly corrupt American pharmaceutical industry
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Tue 4 Jun 20:14
Any contract to supply drugs would have to be open to tender.
No one could compel the NHS to buy American, assuming the market is opened up, if it does not represent value for money. That’s surely obvious.
This scaremongering is what the left-leaning media love.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Tue 4 Jun 20:56
So one side is desperate to make a deal (any deal) to demonstrate that brexit will be a great success and has a gov. at the helm who have proven themselves to be unable to negotiate...
The other side has someone at the helm on a ticket of putting his own country 100% above anything else, has threatened and started trade wars if he doesn't get what he wants, oh and is 5 times bigger.
Not sure who exactly this potential trade deal will be phenomenal for 🤔
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Tue 4 Jun 21:01
Jumping the gun like the media.
There is no deal in the offing yet and the scope would have to be negotiated.
Project Fear all over again.
Let’s be mature about this.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 4 Jun 22:22
It comes down to the size of the respective economies. The US has a far bigger one than us which puts them in the ascendancy.
We also have a need to open new markets after leaving the single biggest one. How much so will depend on deal or no deal.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Tue 4 Jun 22:39
The Tories hate the NHS. They resisted it from the outset. They have spent all of my lifetime trying to chip away at it since it socialist in its structure. That means, horror of horrors, that Jocky Wilson from Kirkcaldy gets the same treatment as Lord Bruce from Broomhall. (I guess he goes private of course, but he was happy enough for me to lift his dustbins under FCC auspices many moons ago.)
Like many on here my parents, having lived through the 1930s, were involved in WW2. The day we let the NHS be privatised, slice by slice in the name of tendering or efficiency, is the day we can all go down to the cemetery and p*** on our parents' graves.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 4 Jun 22:44
Quote:
parbucks, Tue 4 Jun 19:43
The NHS is not up for grabs.
You have been listening to too many BBC, Channel 4 tree huggers.
In any negotiation there will be posturing on both sides before the scope is determined.
By the way it might be no bad thing if some USA drugs companies could tender to supply the NHS as it’s clear the current procurement processes show we are being ripped off by current suppliers.
Bet?
£1000.
Within another 5 years of Tory rule we're paying.
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Tue 4 Jun 22:57
“Within another 5 years of Tory rule we're paying.”
Don’t we already pay considerably or have I missed something?
Getting value for money from a monolithic organisation is surely important.
You only have to mention “change” in the NHS and people go ballistic.
Something the left wing have mastered.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 4 Jun 23:13
We pay just now do we not?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 4 Jun 23:20
"You only have to mention “change” in the NHS and people go ballistic.
Something the left wing have mastered."
Mainly because its been deliberately run into the ground and then the folk that have engineered that want to change it.
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Tue 4 Jun 23:25
Help me understand why any political party would “deliberately run it into the ground” given the sensitivity among the electorate?
Just another example of left wing propaganda to weaponise the NHS for political expediency.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Tue 4 Jun 23:34
Lol, get an utter grip. The NHS has been repeatedly sold off to private firms like Virgin for private profit, is severely underfunded, which the Tories use when NHS England and Wales report increasing wait times etc as evidence of the failing system etc.
I suppose you'd kill for an American system, don't pay for insurance or whatever, save some money, and then good luck when you break your arm, or fall ill with paying their utterly hilarious fees.
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Tue 4 Jun 23:38
Andrew
Pure and utter b🙄llocks.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 5 Jun 08:14
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 4 Jun 23:13
We pay just now do we not?
Yes we pay, however you wait until it's "for profit".
Then you'll really pay.
Just been speaking with an American friend, the wealthy are doing fine, it's the people bankrupting themselves watching a loved one die I feel for.
Post Edited (Wed 05 Jun 08:18)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 5 Jun 08:33
Relax, guys, the Donald's changed his mind. The NHS won't be part of the trade deal. It turns out he didn't know what the letters NHS stood for!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 5 Jun 10:26
The Donald on his discussions with Prince Charles:-
'He said: “He is really into climate change and I think that’s great. What he really wants and what he really feels warmly about is the future. He wants to make sure future generations have climate that is good climate, as opposed to a disaster, and I agree.”
But Trump said he pushed back at the suggestion the US should do more.
He said: “I did say, ‘Well, the United States right now has among the cleanest climates there are based on all statistics.’ And it’s even getting better because I agree with that we want the best water, the cleanest water. It’s crystal clean, has to be crystal clean clear.”
Trump added: “China, India, Russia, many other nations, they have not very good air, not very good water, and the sense of pollution. If you go to certain cities … you can’t even breathe, and now that air is going up.”'
It's difficult to parody that.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 5 Jun 11:26
"... I agree with that we want the best water, the cleanest water. It’s crystal clean, has to be crystal clean clear.”
Try telling that to the people of Flint, Michigan, Mr Trump...
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 5 Jun 13:04
Trump has the same number of brain cells as an old Wellington Boot. Actually beggars belief someone like him is in a position of power
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Wed 5 Jun 13:27
I'm sure he'd be heartbroken to hear you think so lowly of him.
The foaming at the mouth from the real fascists in this country - the left - over the last couple of days has actually been hysterical.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 5 Jun 17:21
Quote:
Captain Desmond Fancey, Wed 5 Jun 13:27
I'm sure he'd be heartbroken to hear you think so lowly of him.
The foaming at the mouth from the real fascists in this country - the left - over the last couple of days has actually been hysterical.
That sad moment a usually adept troll tries too hard.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 11 Jun 12:31
Just noticed that was from 2 years ago! Sorry.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 11 Jun 12:58
Quote:
londonparsfan, Tue 11 Jun 12:31
Just noticed that was from 2 years ago! Sorry.
Still happening though so not irrelevant imo...
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Topic Originator: shrek par
Date: Tue 11 Jun 13:02
All that's left for us on the table for us with the USA is a rehashed TTIP deal. We would as well handing the NHS over to them straight away if that goes through. Worst deal in history....
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Tue 11 Jun 14:19
*Right wing .nutters Trump love in intensifies...*
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Tue 11 Jun 20:38
Must be, we all know the Tories and Trump really want what's best for everyone, not just themselves and their little club of Politicians and businessmen...
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 11 Jun 21:20
Well I seem to see alot business people saying Brexit would be bad for business so are the Tories in cahoots with big business or not?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 11 Jun 22:56
I don't think most of the candidates for the Tory leadership are too bothered about the effects of Brexit now. They know if they don't deliver it they'll lose the next election and, as ever with the Tories, the party comes first.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Wed 12 Jun 10:08
Quote:
parbucks, Tue 4 Jun 21:01
Jumping the gun like the media.
There is no deal in the offing yet and the scope would have to be negotiated.
Project Fear all over again.
Let’s be mature about this.
Mature yes, but alert too. The Tories want rid of it and we need trading deals. We are not in a good negotiating position so it doesn't look good. It is actually on the table - that alone is worrying. There should be no thought of it at all.
"Peace in Our Time". Aye right!
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 12 Jun 10:44
It always amuses me that people think private business don't want the NHS exactly the way it is. A taxpayer funded cash cow that they can milk perpetuity.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Wed 12 Jun 11:52
Theres a few more udders to milk though!
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Wed 12 Jun 16:00
I can reliably report that some years ago NHS Fife was so short of Radiologists they had to hire a squad from South Africa to get the backlog under control.
That was in the days of x-ray films. They are digital now, so no need to bring anyone in, they can be examined and reported on by a Radiologist anywhere. Probably are.
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Topic Originator: Mario
Date: Wed 12 Jun 16:03
"as ever with the Tories, the party comes first."
The bounders, no other party does that
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 12 Jun 16:36
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Wed 12 Jun 10:44
It always amuses me that people think private business don't want the NHS exactly the way it is. A taxpayer funded cash cow that they can milk perpetuity.
Because those businesses are not getting paid by it?
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Wed 12 Jun 20:47
I remember days when they handed you a brown envelope with X-rays to take to the doctor.Now the doctor can see them before you leave the X-ray ward.
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