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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 26 May 08:35
If the bookies know something we don't, Boris will be our next PM. Best odds you'll get are about 13/10. I predict Boris and Trump would be the best buddies since Regan and Thatcher.
Second and third favourites are Raab and Gove. God help us all......
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 26 May 12:57
A new PM elected by the country tweed, Daily mail set, General Election required!
Agreed:- God help us all!
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sun 26 May 15:51
General election😂😂
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sun 26 May 15:57
The Tories are currently running scared of Farage's Brexit Party as they were of Farage's UKIP prior to announcing the Brexit referendum so you can be guaranteed it will be a hard line Brexiteer at the helm.
My feeling is they will go for Gove in the end.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Sun 26 May 17:58
If we get Johnson we'll be joining the club of countries with loony leaders.
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Topic Originator: Jbob
Date: Sun 26 May 19:48
I wouldn't let any of them watch my shed for a week.
Bobs of the world unite
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sun 26 May 19:49
No minority government has appointed a PM before and considering this will be the second time the Tories have appointed a PM recently it should really be for the electorate to decide which party they want to govern and consequently which PM. And more so with the Brexit chaos.
There should be GE.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 29 May 13:58
Could Boris become the first serving PM to work from a prison cell instead of No 10? 😊
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 29 May 14:15
Dominic Raab has suggested that all the rivals for the leadership of the Tories sign a pledge promising they will fight a clean campaign, respect their opponents, stick to spending limits etc. Some have already signed it. Nadine Dorries MP (who thought she was a 'celebrity') says this is a 'dirty tricks' campaign against Boris Johnson whom she supports. This is getting funnier than 'The Thick of It'.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 30 May 07:26
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 29 May 14:15
Dominic Raab has suggested that all the rivals for the leadership of the Tories sign a pledge promising they will fight a clean campaign, respect their opponents, stick to spending limits etc. Some have already signed it. Nadine Dorries MP (who thought she was a 'celebrity') says this is a 'dirty tricks' campaign against Boris Johnson whom she supports. This is getting funnier than 'The Thick of It'.
Oooh, wee Raab's worried his secret comes out, blinked first.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 31 May 16:22
So the most important national issue for over 50 years is put on the back-burner whilst a political party which has no majority in the House of Commons has a beauty contest to decide who its next leader should be. No wonder the Europeans think we're nuts.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 1 Jun 03:57
I wonder if I am alone here in thinking that Boris Johnson could make a good PM?
Of course, I still have reservations but, looking at the options right now, he comes across as the best of a pretty ordinary bunch.
Although flawed, Boris seems by nature an inclusive person, not divisive as some might suggest. That characteristic will be crucial in the difficult months and years ahead.
His ebullience is quite disarming and while some see that as an expression of a bumbling buffoon, it is easy to see that he has charisma, a pencil-sharp wit and intellect. Negotiating the final obstacles of Brexit will call for clear and decisive thinking.
Boris has written one of the best books I have read on Winston Churchill. It was not simply about the man and what he achieved, but a thorough dissection of how he did it, right down to how he constructed his most memorable speeches using techniques developed by the ancient Greeks.
It would be interesting to see if he could translate that deep knowledge and understanding of the craft of prime ministership into a modern day environment.
It has often been said that with Brexit, the UK finds itself at a crisis point not seen since Suez or the Battle of Britain.
Clearly, Theresa May took the path of Anthony Eden at Suez and failed. Could Boris Johnson take the path of his hero Winston Churchill in war and save Britain from economic meltdown?
Post Edited (Sat 01 Jun 04:38)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 1 Jun 05:48
Churchill was a man of principle. The same cannot be said for Johnson. His digressions in his private life reveal a flawed character, certainly one unfit for high office. From making up stories during his career at The Times from denying his own child that he fathered with his bit on the side. Perhaps even more damaging is his rank incompetence. His gaffe prone time as foreign secretary should surely put off all but the most ardent supporter.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 1 Jun 07:24
Wait...are we seriously discussing what Tory has principles?
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sat 1 Jun 16:10
Don't think you can say he's not divisive when he's spouted stuff straight from the Muslim section of the roy chubby brown handbook!
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 1 Jun 18:05
Quote:
OzPar, Sat 1 Jun 03:57
I wonder if I am alone here in thinking that Boris Johnson could make a good PM?
Of course, I still have reservations but, looking at the options right now, he comes across as the best of a pretty ordinary bunch.
Although flawed, Boris seems by nature an inclusive person, not divisive as some might suggest. That characteristic will be crucial in the difficult months and years ahead.
His ebullience is quite disarming and while some see that as an expression of a bumbling buffoon, it is easy to see that he has charisma, a pencil-sharp wit and intellect. Negotiating the final obstacles of Brexit will call for clear and decisive thinking.
Boris has written one of the best books I have read on Winston Churchill. It was not simply about the man and what he achieved, but a thorough dissection of how he did it, right down to how he constructed his most memorable speeches using techniques developed by the ancient Greeks.
It would be interesting to see if he could translate that deep knowledge and understanding of the craft of prime ministership into a modern day environment.
It has often been said that with Brexit, the UK finds itself at a crisis point not seen since Suez or the Battle of Britain.
Clearly, Theresa May took the path of Anthony Eden at Suez and failed. Could Boris Johnson take the path of his hero Winston Churchill in war and save Britain from economic meltdown?
I think we can summarise Oz's post as "Boris is a bumbling buffoon, who some Tories find charismatic.
Not your average Sunday League player.
Post Edited (Sun 02 Jun 14:18)
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sat 1 Jun 18:08
I know he'll never win but Rory Stewart seems reasonably ok for a Tory.
He actually speak to people for a start, and he knows a hell of a lot more about international relations than most.
Come to think of it, I'm delighted that he won't win - he's a skilled diplomat so he might actually manage to heal the Tory party.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
Post Edited (Sat 01 Jun 18:09)
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Sat 1 Jun 23:00
There is little to choose between Churchill and Johnson. Both were over promoted buffoons from the aristocracy claiming, beyond rational sensibility, to represent the people. Both have a record of responding to popular discontent by responding with military force, although in Johnson’s case it took the form of water cannons. That makes them loved by the aristocrats who see their interests protected.
Churchill was such a limitd politician he was booted out of Dundee in 1922. He lost to a man committed to a prohibition of alcohol policy and narrowly put the communist Willie Gallacher into third place. He stomped out of Dundee in the huff, according to Gallacher, promising never to return. That was the measure of the man that we are supposed to revere as a great war time PM.
In which case maybe any PM who leads a country during a successful war or revolution must be a genius. But strangely enough we do not worship Cromwell, nor show any great respect to George Washington, Stalin, Mao or Kenyatta. Mandela just about gets a pass. What makes Churchill such a great politician? His greatest hour was when he refused Hitler’s peace deal but that, for all its greatness, was to protect the British Empire, hardly a beacon of democracy. Churchill was loathed by vast swathes of the UK public in his lifetime and given grudging respect for his strong leadership during the war; he was never seen as a great politician by anyone at the time, even within his own party. He was a busted flush before 1940. When he died in 1965 I remember many Fifers saying, effectively, good riddance to that warmonger.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 1 Jun 23:11
Indeed Stalin certainly isn't an individual worth celebrating.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: thenatural
Date: Sun 2 Jun 09:04
Johnson’s entire career has been characterised by lying, laziness and incompetence. If you want a book about Churchill written by a politician, read Roy Jenkins’ one.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sun 2 Jun 16:09
Might just do that cause I've read Johnson's one. Cheers.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Sun 2 Jun 23:04
Donj,
An interesting read although almost all the material has been in the public domain for some time. The problem for me is not that Churchill divides opinion: any leader during either war or revolution will do that simply because of the blood on his hands. The fact we can debate his legacy is a healthy situation.
The problem is the desire to close down any debate and convince the mainstream UK public that Churchill was universally loved as a leader of the country. He never was. He was widely seen as a warmonger and hostile to working people, even while being acknowledged as an effective leader of the nation from 1940. The fact his party was not elected in 1945 despite his success as a war leader speaks volumes about the deep suspicions regarding him. It is worth remembering Churchill ruled during the war as part of a coalition government, despite the attempts of modern right wing media to paint the victory over Nazism as a Tory masterstroke.
Like Margaret Thatcher Churchill was also pro-European, a reasonable viewpoint given he had seen the continent attempt to destroy itself twice in his lifetime. If you read the Daily Telegraph or the Daily Express these days you could be deluded into thinking Churchill would have been a fervent brexiteer standing four square behind Johnson and Farage. I doubt he would have entertained either of them.
So on two counts at least, his legacy is being misrepresented to the British people.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Mon 3 Jun 00:35
https://youtu.be/Iy8Bt_V971o
Young lad in this does pretty well up against Piers Morgan and the rest of the studio highlighting some of the WC less stellar moments.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Mon 3 Jun 11:00
"Like Margaret Thatcher Churchill was also pro-European, a reasonable viewpoint given he had seen the continent attempt to destroy itself twice in his lifetime. If you read the Daily Telegraph or the Daily Express these days you could be deluded into thinking Churchill would have been a fervent brexiteer standing four square behind Johnson and Farage. I doubt he would have entertained either of them. "
I read some p*sh on this forum, but this is definitely up there with the best.
There is a monumental difference between being "Pro Europe" and being "Pro EU". I would wager my mortgage that the great Lady Thatcher would fall into the former and most definitely not the latter. Likewise probably Sir Winston too.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 3 Jun 13:44
I don't for a minute doubt that Churchill was full of flaws and there's evidence aplenty that he made lots of mistakes. No one denies that. Aussies are more than unhappy with Churchill's part in Gallipoli. So yes, I get it.
What I don't get are these revisionist attempts to diminish Churchill's role in turning around the psyche of the British people at its weakest point in modern history. By the time Yalta and Tehran came around, Churchill (and Britain's) role had diminished, but no one who mattered would deny that his contribution during 1940-44 was absolutely crucial to the war effort.
That Greer chap is the embodiment of this revisionist culture - full of vindictive bile, keen to insult his target, unprepared to give any credit where it is due and quick to describe dissenters to his views as "snowflakes".
Greer should not earn your plaudits; he is a sensationalist and deserves to be treated with utter contempt.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Mon 3 Jun 14:45
Captain DF,
The expression ‘wager my mortgage’ is not used much these days, due to the decline in house ownership. Once the previous council housing stock was sold off at fire sale rates the bubble of mass home ownership burst. That was around the time Northern Rock went bankrupt and had to be propped up by the state for the greater good - socialism is surprisingly popular when big business is in trouble.
Regarding your heroes Churchill and Thatcher having feet of clay where Europe is concerned, then you should have been made aware of this much earlier in your life. The Maastricht treaty which sparked the UKIP movement was actually signed by Margaret Thatcher. She represented the interests of UK capital and that meant, so far as she was aware, being part of the EU. For Churchill Europe was more, after the war at least, a NATO construct to prevent the outbreak of full blooded socialism across Europe; but since fighting Nazism has bankrupted the country there was not much of his treasured Empire left to exploit, so joining the EU economically he would have accepted grudgingly.
Your distinction between liking Europe but not the EU is right up there with the Una Paloma Blanco mindset of some British tourists.
OzPar, No one I ever knew who lived through WW2 had anything but respect- often very grudging- but respect nonetheless for Churchill as war leader. Any commentator who fails to grasp that fact is howling at the moon. However his image is being laundered to suit the present political agenda- as a much loved father of the nation and a UK isolationist. He was never either of these things.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 3 Jun 15:03
I would agree with that, sammer.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Mon 3 Jun 17:17
Captain DF is correct and I was wrong: it was indeed John Major who signed the Maastricht Treaty and not Margaret Thatcher. She was able in later years to criticise it and claim she would never have signed. Since she had been booted out of office by then we will never know how true that was. Much of the groundwork done to draw up the treaty must have carried out when she was PM.
Thatcher claimed to be in favour of the European Community but not a more federalist (as she saw it) EU. I often hear this argument from brexiteers and think this is the same distinction being made in an earlier post by Captain DF. In essence it is an argument for free market policies without pesky regulations on unimportant things like worker protection and human rights. To sell this to the UK voter it is necessary to create a make-believe world in which national protections, overseen by toffs like Johnson and millionaire bankers like Farage, would actually be better than anything dreamt up in Brussels or Strasbourg. That’s some fantasy. Corbyn riffs on a similar theme, suggesting that only EU legalisation stands between a Labour government and the UK becoming some Scandinavian nirvana.
On a football front it’s interesting how silent our normally loquacious politicians have been over the success of English clubs in Europe this season, particularly since basking in reflected glory is pretty much a hobby for many. Surely any true, patriotic brexiteer should be arguing for the EPL to withdraw from the tyranny of EUFA and all its tournaments and petty rules. There’s loads more tournaments out there that would welcome our clubs with open arms. And what about all these football immigrants coming over and stealing our jobs?
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Mon 3 Jun 17:34
Nice attempt at a comeback Sammer.
You even managed to bring in a load of “whataboutery”.
As for UEFA (and FIFA) unfortunately since they are football’s governing authorities there is no alternative. Unlike the EU where we do have a choice.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Mon 3 Jun 18:33
Our football clubs have to remain within FIFA to play in competitions. But why within EUFA, that bastion of do-goodery which tries to restrict oil rich dictatorships from investing in our game? If Israeli clubs can play in EUFA then we British can play somewhere more amenable too, maybe under Major League Soccer auspices. The brexiteer silence on this is remarkable, especially when Trump is in town testing out business opportunities. It’s almost like EUFA was a good thing.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Mon 3 Jun 18:34
Churchill was indead a good war leader.
As was Stalin.
They have other things in common too, like causung millions of deaths through famine.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Mon 3 Jun 18:45
sammer
Post Edited (Mon 03 Jun 18:49)
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Mon 3 Jun 18:51
'Anti-EU' Mrs. Thatcher campaigning.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Mon 3 Jun 19:07
sammer
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Mon 3 Jun 19:16
Don’t see the EU flag anywhere in those pics.
Maybe just showing she had an International outlook?
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Mon 3 Jun 19:22
Sammer, it’s UEFA. Let’s at least get that right.
By the way UEFA includes lots of countries not in the EU.
Wasn’t the recent Europa Cup Final played in Asia so why are you wittering about joining MLS?
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 3 Jun 19:26
Sammer, I really hope this isnt an attempt at a wid thread!
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Mon 3 Jun 23:12
My original point, almost connected to the thread, was that Margaret Thatcher was not a brexiteer and would have given Johnson and Farage short shrift. She would have fought for a better deal inside the EU - not left, despite the assertions of Captain DF who has had the leisure to read all her published works. The next PM will be confronted by that same reality whoever he or she is.
Regarding UEFA, I was pointing out the contradiction between those ‘football lads’ who buy their subscriptions at extortionate prices from the SKY empire which funds elite European football yet in the same breath scream for a return to British values. You can have Stanley Matthews in the FA Cup Final or Lionel Messi every other week in the UEFA Champions League, but as the next PM will learn if he does not already know it, you can’t have both.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Tue 4 Jun 18:48
I've seen David Haye make better comebacks than yours Sammer.
Give up.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Tue 4 Jun 22:25
Captain DF,
Your last Johnsonian soundbite is supposed to be the culmination to a compelling argument. One which I await with interest.
As a man who prefers assertion to argument I am surprised you have not taken the opportunity to assert how the photos I downloaded are evidence of Margaret Thatcher being anti-EU, something you claimed in an earlier post. Parsbuck thinks her jersey is just internationalist, but he seems unaware that there are five rings on the Olympic symbol. His understanding of internationalism still has room for improvement
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I thought I had wasted my life memorising chunks from The Wee Red Book as a boy and playing bad snooker in Moloco’s downstairs café as a teenager, but it appears there are other ways. Your devotion to reading the utterances of Margaret Thatcher are a lesson to us all in that regard. Now tell me why Margaret Thatcher was anti-EU.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Wed 5 Jun 22:52
http://youtu.be/Up1ogdqDpVg
Post Edited (Wed 05 Jun 22:54)
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 8 Jun 06:47
<<I know he'll never win but Rory Stewart seems reasonably ok for a Tory. He actually speaks to people for a start, and he knows a hell of a lot more about international relations than most.
Come to think of it, I'm delighted that he won't win - he's a skilled diplomat so he might actually manage to heal the Tory party.>>
I agree with you, wotsit. He is an interesting fella with a well-rounded CV who is clearly super smart. He would likely be a splendid PM, but I think he might have to wait a few years before getting the gig.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sun 9 Jun 12:16
Jacob Rees Mogg came across as a charming fella until exposed as a self serving piece of sh*t.
Just saying.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Sun 9 Jun 13:53
Extract from Mrs Thatcher’s Bruges Speech in 1988 to the College of Europe.
“WILLING COOPERATION BETWEEN SOVEREIGN STATES
My first guiding principle is this: willing and active cooperation between independent sovereign states is the best way to build a successful European Community.
To try to suppress nationhood and concentrate power at the centre of a European conglomerate would be highly damaging and would jeopardise the objectives we seek to achieve.
Europe will be stronger precisely because it has France as France, Spain as Spain, Britain as Britain, each with its own customs, traditions and identity. It would be folly to try to fit them into some sort of identikit European personality.
Some of the founding fathers of the Community thought that the United States of America might be its model.
But the whole history of America is quite different from Europe.
People went there to get away from the intolerance and constraints of life in Europe.
They sought liberty and opportunity; and their strong sense of purpose has, over two centuries, helped to create a new unity and pride in being American, just as our pride lies in being British or Belgian or Dutch or German.
I am the first to say that on many great issues the countries of Europe should try to speak with a single voice.
I want to see us work more closely on the things we can do better together than alone.
Europe is stronger when we do so, whether it be in trade, in defence or in our relations with the rest of the world.
But working more closely together does not require power to be centralised in Brussels or decisions to be taken by an appointed bureaucracy.
Indeed, it is ironic that just when those countries such as the Soviet Union, which have tried to run everything from the centre, are learning that success depends on dispersing power and decisions away from the centre, there are some in the Community who seem to want to move in the opposite direction.
We have not successfully rolled back the frontiers of the state in Britain, only to see them re-imposed at a European level with a European super-state exercising a new dominance from Brussels.
Certainly we want to see Europe more united and with a greater sense of common purpose.
But it must be in a way which preserves the different traditions, parliamentary powers and sense of national pride in one's own country; for these have been the source of Europe's vitality through the centuries.”
It’s clear Mrs Thatcher supported the U.K. being a member of the European Community and was one of the main architects of the Single Market.
In fact she was frustrated at the time it took to dismantle the protectionism that existed.
However, the way the EU has morphed towards a Superstate in the 30 years
since this speech it seems clear she would be saying No, No, No to Brussels just as she said to Jacques Delors on his Plan for Europe.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 9 Jun 14:09
So she'd be advocating us remaining in the single market?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 9 Jun 14:21
The UK has been part of the EU or predecessor organisations all my adult life and I've never felt as if I was ruled from Brussels. Isn't it only about 12% of laws applying in the UK which emanate from the EU?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sun 9 Jun 14:46
Wonder how those in jail or unemployed because of the drug snorting candidates policies feel?
Post Edited (Sun 09 Jun 19:19)
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Mon 10 Jun 14:09
Mrs Thatcher’s Bruges Speech (continued):
“EUROPE OPEN TO THE WORLD
My fourth guiding principle is that Europe should not be protectionist.
The expansion of the world economy requires us to continue the process of removing barriers to trade, and to do so in the multilateral negotiations in the GATT.
It would be a betrayal if, while breaking down constraints on trade within Europe, the Community were to erect greater external protection.
We must ensure that our approach to world trade is consistent with the liberalisation we preach at home.
We have a responsibility to give a lead on this, a responsibility which is particularly directed towards the less developed countries.
They need not only aid; more than anything, they need improved trading opportunities if they are to gain the dignity of growing economic strength and independence.”
TOWK
While she was very much an advocate of the Common/Single Market she would most definitely see the protectionism of the Customs Union as working against the liberalisation of world markets which was important to her.
The Single Market in Services which she advocated has still not happened.
Nor has reform of the CAP despite Blair giving away based on vague promises half the rebate she negotiated.
Maybe that explains why after over 45 years since we joined the EU it still does not have free trade deals with the USA and other major markets. The recent Japan deal has still to be implemented.
She would almost certainly have challenged the political direction of the EU in the last 30 years. The European Community she supported is far removed from today’s EU.
Post Edited (Mon 10 Jun 16:29)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 10 Jun 16:32
Getting back on topic, listening to the launch speeches of the candidates it's hard to believe they are Tories. They seem to have discovered a social conscience all of a sudden although Boris is proposing tax cuts for the wealthiest. None of the promises are costed of course.
Michael Gove's was probably the most boke-inducing. He started off by saying Michael Gove wasn't his real name because he was adopted and if he hadn't been adopted his educational opportunities would have been greatly reduced. He didn't seem to realise this until he was made Education Secretary though - a bit like his late realisation of the dangers of hard drugs. Lots of jokes are being made at his expense, even by the right-wing media.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Mon 10 Jun 21:36
WHAT BORIS JOHNSON'S BIG GOB DID for Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe.
'On 1 November 2017, the then-British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson erroneously stated: "When we look at what she was doing, she was simply teaching people journalism" when in fact Zaghari-Ratcliffe WAS IN IRAN ON HOLIDAY; she would later use this as her central defense at trial. SINCE SHE HAD NEVER WORKED TO TRAIN JOURNALISTS IN THE COUNTRY, JOHNSON'S REMARKS APPEARED TO HAVE PUT HER AT RISK... The Thomson Reuters Foundation called on Johnson to "immediately correct the SERIOUS MISTAKE he made" in this statement. They added "SHE IS NOT A JOURNALIST and has never trained journalists at the Thomson Reuters Foundation". Four days later, Zaghari-Ratcliffe was returned to court in Iran where [JOHNSON'S] STATEMENT WAS CITED AS EVIDENCE AGAINST HER."*
Shouldn't Mr Ah-so Johnson have been campaigning strenuously on her behalf, to try and make ammends? Shouldn't he have got the boot?
"BORIS JOHNSON - A LIAR AND A CHARLATAN" (headline and following quote from New Statesman)
"At a summit aiming to tackle the grotesque humanitarian crisis in Yemen, he is said to have astounded diplomats by joking: “With friends like these, who needs Yemenis?” The Foreign Secretary demeans a great office of state with his carelessness and posturing. By extension, he demeans our politics."
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/09/leader-boris-johnson-liar-and-charlatan
Johnson for PM? Really? Is he the best we can do?
*source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson
Post Edited (Mon 10 Jun 21:54)
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Tue 11 Jun 14:53
Tax cuts for the middle class is exactly what the country needs...gtf Borris you utter buffoon
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Thu 13 Jun 00:18
The two most likely to end up PM,Johnson and Farage,are both what I'd describe as gang leaders.Neither has the class or ability to negotiate,and both do like all gang leaders is be aggressive and threaten.
Neither are PM material,where negotiation is needed,as both just open gobs and start fights.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Thu 13 Jun 10:15
Of the candidates (bearing in mind we're stuck with one of them) Rory Stewart seems by far the least worst option. You can therefore stick a healthy wedge on him being knocked out of the running today.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Thu 13 Jun 11:05
Rory Stewart is a proper centre-right politician with at least half a brain who wouldn't be a total embarrassment as PM. He will obviously be out of the running in the next few minutes...
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Thu 13 Jun 13:16
All 313 Tory MPs voted. There were no spoilt ballot papers.
Boris Johnson - 114
Jeremy Hunt - 43
Michael Gove - 37
Dominic Raab - 27
Sajid Javid - 23
Matt Hancock - 20
Rory Stewart - 19
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OUT
Mark Harper - 10
Andrea Leadsom - 11
Esther McVey - 9
Pleased to see that Rory Stewart survived the cut.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Thu 13 Jun 14:26
Well that's depressing. Not only has Boris sold the country out for personal political gain - it's actually GOING TO WORK.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 13 Jun 15:13
May the Gods help us all :(
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 13 Jun 15:24
Boris or Corbyn. Good grief.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Thu 13 Jun 15:35
If Yes, Prime Minister had done this as a series it would have been viewed as just ridiculous comedy 😂
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 13 Jun 15:47
What's up?
Your democracy broken?
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Thu 13 Jun 15:54
Bad news for Ruth...
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Thu 13 Jun 15:57
Boris or Corbyn. Good grief.
Don't forget Farage. What a triumvirate!
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Thu 13 Jun 16:07
Quote:
hurricane_jimmy, Thu 13 Jun 15:54
Bad news for Ruth...
Scottish Tories to declare independence from Westminster but continue to oppose it at a national level?
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Topic Originator: MikeyLeonard
Date: Thu 13 Jun 18:46
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Thu 13 Jun 15:24
Boris or Corbyn. Good grief.
There's only one thing for it then . . . .FREEEEEEDOM !
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Thu 13 Jun 18:53
No such thing as Scottish Tories.They are Ruth(lie forever)'s party.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Thu 13 Jun 20:29
Quote:
hurricane_jimmy, Thu 13 Jun 15:54
Bad news for Ruth...
It's alright Ruth will just change her mind.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Thu 13 Jun 21:12
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Thu 13 Jun 15:24
Boris or Corbyn. Good grief.
I'm moving to Sealand...
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Thu 13 Jun 21:28
Good result for Boris going forward.
Only guy who can put Corbyn and others back in their cages.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Thu 13 Jun 21:40
Quote:
parbucks, Thu 13 Jun 21:28
Good result for Boris going forward.
Only guy who can put Corbyn and others back in their cages.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Best joke of the week. Buffoon of the highest order.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Wed 19 Jun 18:23
Stewart lasted longer than I expected, but gone now. Suspect he’ll be brought in as leader when the Tories need a shift to the centre.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 19 Jun 19:57
To be fair, Johnson was pretty efficient at ensuring that poor Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe went back into her cage, so maybe Parbucks has a point...
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Wed 19 Jun 20:06
^^ Another apologist for the Iranian regime. Corbyn would be proud of you
The good old days
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 19 Jun 20:17
Corbyn is one of the leading voices in parliament against the Iranian regime's human rights abuses (having signed more EDMs on the topic than nearly any other MP since 20152010 (over 1000 of them)) whereas Johnson gave the fascists in Iran an excuse to imprison a British citizen, so I really don't see what point you are trying to make CDF?
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
Post Edited (Wed 19 Jun 20:18)
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 19 Jun 20:19
Anyway, I thought you'd like Iran? Doesn't a socially conservative ethnostate sound like a vision of heaven to you?
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Wed 19 Jun 22:27
If you think the Iranians give a gnat’s p*** about Boris you are deluded. They will do anything to make capital against the West given that we have frozen hundreds of millions of their assets.
I guess many are like Corbyn and his acolytes in denying the US tapes of his gunboats salvaging unexploded torpedoes from the tanker.
Far easier to stay in denial.
Post Edited (Wed 19 Jun 22:31)
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Wed 19 Jun 23:15
'They will do anything to make capital against the West given that we have frozen hundreds of millions of their assets.'
And you have evidence for this, outside of the Daily Telegraph? Is it not truer to say the unsayable: that Iran, like Iraq and Libya before it, is prepared to sell oil out with US dollars? That is the ultimate crime, the altar on which ordinary lads from Dundee to Detroit will be expected to lay down their lives. I can assume it wont be your sons, anymore than it was ever Blair's Bush's or Bolton's.
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Wed 19 Jun 23:21
Stay on topic. Who attacked the tankers?
Do you think the Mullahs give a hoot about the boys from Dundee or anywhere else? Get real.
Post Edited (Wed 19 Jun 23:27)
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Thu 20 Jun 00:09
If we're staying on topic surely we should be discussing the next Prime Minister?
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Thu 20 Jun 06:27
I've always been curious about why there is the level of animosity toward the Iranians and not toward the Saudis who are stirring things up just as much, if not more. Most Iranians in my experience will tell you their Government is fooked but a large chunk of them are very liberally minded. Saudis on the otherhand were quran thumpers to the level of fascism.
Anyways, the "reasonable" Tory is gone and it'll be Javid next to go. Ruth must be getting a bit edgy with all her work looking to become undone by Boris!
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 20 Jun 08:36
Apparently in the next round of voting the racist intends transferring some of his support to the eggman and therefore knocking out Gove. Might as well having the coronation tonight.
Thought wee Blackford done OK yesterday.
Post Edited (Thu 20 Jun 09:24)
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Thu 20 Jun 18:14
Who attacked the tankers?
I have no idea and neither do you.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 20 Jun 18:55
Probably the Saudis tbh. The whole escalation screams US led to give them an excuse to invade, and we will no doubt follow at their heel like the good subservient dog nation we are
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Thu 20 Jun 21:32
So the final ballot is between a Johnson and a. _unt.
What a choice.....🤣🤣
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 20 Jun 22:13
A Buffoon and a Ku*t...Tory party for days. Anything but 'Communist Corbyn' though eh? Idiots
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 20 Jun 22:14
Will be a complete and utter buffoon who will embarrass the whole country every time he opens his mouth. The Prince Philip of Parliament.
Openly racist and a proven liar.
An egocentric and eccentric expensively educated idiot.
Support for SNP and independence can only rise due to his imminent appointment though and will continue to rise with every gaff.....and there will be many.
So a good thing Boris becoming PM
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Topic Originator: Parsbilly
Date: Fri 21 Jun 08:28
SNP always said to ignore Salmond/Sturgeon and concentrate on the bigger picture if you were not a fan of them personally.
I'm certainly no fan of Boris, but is it not hypocrisy if the SNP are now going to make it personal about an idiot from another party?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 21 Jun 12:19
Quote:
Parsbilly, Fri 21 Jun 08:28
SNP always said to ignore Salmond/Sturgeon and concentrate on the bigger picture if you were not a fan of them personally.
I'm certainly no fan of Boris, but is it not hypocrisy if the SNP are now going to make it personal about an idiot from another party?
That's what they do though. Good point well made.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Fri 21 Jun 12:34
Was that not in the context of the referendum, eg i heard people say they're not voting for "King Alex Salmond" during 2014, but in reality they're weren't as the point was they were voting for a constitutional change. It would be a bit like saying I'm not voting for brexit because I don't like farage ...again it's not really about farage but constitutional change.
So where its different IMHO, is that Boris on the other hand will be our day to day prime minister and will employ his viewpoint and approach on issues right across the board everyday
Post Edited (Fri 21 Jun 12:34)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 21 Jun 12:50
Where Pars Billy argument flounders is that nobody apart from Conservative party members are getting to vote in Boris Johnson to be our next pm.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 30 Jun 09:20
Parliament doesn't have to accept the leader of the largest party as PM.
Neither does the Queen have to invite him to form a government, and she won't if her advisors think that Johnson can't form a government.
There are already two Tory MPs who have said publicly (one is Ken Clark, the others name evades me) that they couldn't support a Johnson led administration.
The Tory/DUP pact has a majority of three, so two rebels could be enough to tip the balance, although there may be more.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 22 Jul 07:21
Today's the day we get an absolute weapon "elected" as the UK's new PM.
Going down the American presidential route, me thinks. Donald and Boris could become an even greater love in than Ronnie and Maggie......
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Mon 22 Jul 11:45
Actually, only the Lib Dumbs announce their next irrelevant leader today. It'll be tomorrow before we find out regarding Johnson or Hunt.
Also would it really be such a bad thing rekindling a relationship like that enjoyed between President Reagan and Mrs Thatcher ? From memory it served both countries pretty well.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 22 Jul 12:08
... except that Reagan, for all his faults, was a decent enough human being, not a sick, dangerous and certifiable narcissist who should really be behind bars, whether that's jail or asylum is an open question. Johnson will probably get a few months in the gig before he cocks things up good and proper and is replaced by Rory Stewart.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Mon 22 Jul 15:09
There isn't a snowball's chance in hell that the Conservative membership will ever vote somebody like Stewart as their leader.
He'd be far more at home in the aforementioned Lib Dumbs.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 22 Jul 15:22
We shall see...
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Mon 22 Jul 16:52
Isn't it mainly children who make up silly insulting names for things or people?
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Mon 22 Jul 19:32
‘Also would it really be such a bad thing rekindling a relationship like that enjoyed between President Reagan and Mrs Thatcher ? From memory it served both countries’ MILLIONARES pretty well.’
I’ve modified the original bizarre comment since both Reagan and Thatcher were hostile to organised labour in the form of trade unions and employed the machinery of the state against them. Free reign for capital and restrictions on labour was their mantra. The results of that neo-conservative experiment can be seen around us today, as the retail industry follows down the same path of decline that heavy industry did 30 years ago. That’s the problem with unbridled capitalism: there comes a point when your workers have no money left to spend.
Reagan was a much more impressive man than either Trump or Johnson, being an outstanding athlete in his youth as well as a sports commentator (who coined the phrase ‘Back to square one’) and a decent film actor as well. During the ‘Red Scare’ of the early 1950s Reagan warned against banning the USA Communist Party on the grounds such a move would be un-American and unnecessary, since the American people would never support it in significant numbers. Contrast that with Trump’s comments last week. Reagan presented an idealised image of American manhood, the one we used to recognise in people such as Jim Reeves, Arnold Palmer and Jack Nicklaus, whereas Trump is little more than a glorification of the brash American philistine you hear mouthing off in airport terminals. Johnson’s engagement with the wider UK public is about as meaningful, in American terms, as that of a Red Indian chief although I believe his tribe are about to carve his name on their totem pole.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Mon 22 Jul 19:45
I see that Boris Johnson's handling of the Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe case got a mention in Alan Duncan's resignation letter, saying that not only did Johnson give the prosecution ammunition during her trial but that discussions about her release came to an "abrupt halt" during Johnson's time as Foreign Secretary.
It's unwise to see him as a buffoon, he is an odious and calculating man with little regard for anything beyond his personal glorification.
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Mon 22 Jul 20:18
The three buffoons have only one mission and that is to look after themselves.Any one of them would push their grandmother under a bus if there was a reward for them.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 22 Jul 21:15
Genuinely concerned at how stupid the British public are. First for voting Tory, second for voting for Brexit and now idiot Tories voting for a complete moron.
You can already see the media getting into a frenzy over Boris threatening no deal to get a better deal from the EU. Bolshy Boris kicking them up the backside. Except they forget that the EU holds the cards so can tell the UK to bugger off.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Mon 22 Jul 21:31
If you really think the EU can simply afford to tell the UK to "bugger off" as you so eloquently put it then I'd suggest there is more than a little irony in you claiming the British public are "stupid".
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 22 Jul 21:35
CDF, do you seriously believe that the EU aren't in the more powerful negotiating position. I mean if you think the EU can't afford to tell the UK to bugger off then surely you must concede that the UK can't afford tell the EU to bugger off.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 22 Jul 22:27
Quote:
Captain Desmond Fancey, Mon 22 Jul 21:31
If you really think the EU can simply afford to tell the UK to "bugger off" as you so eloquently put it then I'd suggest there is more than a little irony in you claiming the British public are "stupid".
Okay, explain to me why the EU wouldn't call Britain's bluff. Hang on a minute while I get some popcorn (a product that will rise in price in the event of a no deal Brexit).
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Tue 23 Jul 14:25
Don't call out CDF, he'll just come back with some crap right with joke name like Lib Dumbs or something else. You can see the threads where the right have made a total tool of themselves, him and others on here go eerily quiet or just resort to name calling pi5h.
Their absolute refusal to accept their views don't belong in 2019 but rather over A hundred years ago is like talking to a brick wall.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Tue 23 Jul 19:32
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/stop-no-deal-secret-eu-drive-to-woo-boris-johnson-into-compromise-l8mcq5nzw
Moves already seemingly afoot to engage with our new PM to avoid no deal - a scenario described by Ireland as a "catastrophe".
Don't miss yourselves on that any EU country will be happy to see us simply bugger off. They need our net contribution.
A deal would be in the best interests of both sides.. What May came back with was not a deal, just a surrender.
Oh, Andrew it's "right wing" not "right with". If you're going to say others are making a fool of themselves then at least get your basic English right.
Oh, and I'd suggest given recent right wing successes in elections, I'd suggest it's the views of most on here who are out of touch rather than me.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 23 Jul 19:43
CDF, we're going anyway. The question is why the EU would give a hoot if we leave on their terms or crash out like a bunch of utter planks.
The EU has already prepped a few billion to help out Ireland if things got tits up. It's one of the benefits of being in the EU.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Tue 23 Jul 20:11
Oh, and I'd suggest given recent right wing successes in elections, I'd suggest it's the views of most on here who are out of touch rather than me.
Ahh, that's why there are so many minority (including Trump and Johnson) right wing governments floating about?
What percentage of the British public voted for Johnson again? Maybe we should just have an election - test your theory?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 23 Jul 20:15
''Don't miss yourselves on etc....''???
If you're going to be pedantic about other people's posts you really need to be sure your own are bullet-proof.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 23 Jul 20:53
I assumed "don't miss yourselves" was an old timer phrase...
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Tue 23 Jul 23:33
As far as Theresa's deal was mince, it ticked the boxes from both sides as well as Ireland.
Yes, it still meant the UK was f**ked financially but nothing compared to a no deal Brexit.
Boris Johnston can't get this through Parliament anyway so I'm assuming a GE is coming very soon and a coalition between the Tories and The Brexit Party is the plan to see this through.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 24 Jul 01:34
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 23 Jul 20:15
''Don't miss yourselves on etc....''???
If you're going to be pedantic about other people's posts you really need to be sure your own are bullet-proof.
Hahaha well played :D
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Wed 24 Jul 08:00
"What percentage of the British public voted for Johnson again? Maybe we should just have an election - test your theory?"
A higher percentage than voted for the newly "elected" leader of the EU that's for sure.
Also a higher percentage than voted for Sturgeon to be the SNP leader and therefore First Minister.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 24 Jul 09:41
I think you are wrong about the Sturgeon percentages.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 24 Jul 09:43
Oh and by the way how many of us elected Mark Sedwill to be head of the civil service?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Wed 24 Jul 09:50
"I think you are wrong about the Sturgeon percentages."
Really? How many people voted her in as leader of the SNP ?
The good old days
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Wed 24 Jul 10:03
That decision has been ratified in a proper election though.
Remember the jibes at the unelected Gordon Brown? Funny you don't see too much of that in the papers when they've got their man in place.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 24 Jul 10:05
Approximately 120 thousand snp members. Population of Scotland approximately 5 million.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 24 Jul 10:18
"They call him Britain Trump"
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Wed 24 Jul 10:22
"Approximately 120 thousand snp members. Population of Scotland approximately 5 million."
She stood unopposed. There wasn't actually a vote was there ?
The good old days
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Wed 24 Jul 10:24
"That decision has been ratified in a proper election though. "
You mean when her party polled 44% on a 55.7% turnout ?
Perhaps, soon, Johnson will have a similar opportunity. For now however, despite the overuse of #notmyPM, he is the man in charge and should at least be given the opportunity.
The good old days
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 24 Jul 11:12
We've had this discussion on here before. Why should people who aren't interested enough to vote be aligned with one side or the other? It's hardly democratic.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 24 Jul 12:28
Quote:
Captain Desmond Fancey, Wed 24 Jul 08:00
"What percentage of the British public voted for Johnson again? Maybe we should just have an election - test your theory?"
A higher percentage than voted for the newly "elected" leader of the EU that's for sure.
Also a higher percentage than voted for Sturgeon to be the SNP leader and therefore First Minister.
NS got less than 60,000 votes?
I doubt that...
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 24 Jul 14:47
But she's had more since then, right?
Having fought an election and managed to not screw it up?
I'm not a NS fan at all but to insinuate that she is on a level with BJ (hehe) with regard to her mandate to govern is ridiculous in the extreme.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Wed 24 Jul 15:02
At this stage in his "Premiership" it's a perfectly valid comparison to make.
He was elected on the basis of 90 odd thousand party members which has got people foaming at the mouth. She was elected on the basis of no party members which was apparently fine.
The true test will come when he faces his first election whenever that might be.
So, no, the comparison is not "ridiculous in the extreme". The hypocrisy of the SNP and the left, however, is.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 24 Jul 15:12
She's faced the public and he hasn't. Therefore the comparison really is ridiculous.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Wed 24 Jul 15:15
"She's faced the public and he hasn't. Therefore the comparison really is ridiculous."
Think you've spent too much time out in the sun.
Had she "faced the public" before being elected leader of her party, and therefore into the job as First Minister? Simple answer is no.
Struggling to work out what's so difficult for you to understand really.
The good old days
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 24 Jul 16:52
She has faced the public.
He hasn't.
Comparing their situations now is ridiculous at best, which is why I gave you the benefit of the doubt, rather than accusing you of deliberately clouding the water.
Because you wouldn't dream of doing something so nefarious, would you?
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
Post Edited (Wed 24 Jul 16:53)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 24 Jul 18:22
Actually upon reflection CDF's Sturgeon/Johnson comparison is valid. They both assumed leadership without being elected by the public.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Wed 24 Jul 18:28
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Wed 24 Jul 18:22
Actually upon reflection CDF's Sturgeon/Johnson comparison is valid. They both assumed leadership without being elected by the public.
But then one was elected. The other hasn't been.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 24 Jul 18:36
So the day that Sturgeon was appointed FM were you criticising her for not having been put there by the people?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 24 Jul 18:42
Wasn't she the heir(ess) apparent? She was Deputy FM to Alex Salmond. There wasn't really another obvious candidate.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 24 Jul 18:49
That doesn't matter in terms of this comparison. CDF has made a valid comparison and if we didn't complain when Sturgeon legitimately succeeded Salmond then we can't complain when Johnson acquires power via the same means. I don't know if a mechanism exists to call an early Holyrood election but it wasn't until three years later that the people voted for her to me FM. Ironically enough isn't that the same number of years that Johnson could theoretically wait until he faces the electorate?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
Post Edited (Wed 24 Jul 18:51)
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 24 Jul 18:49
On a different tack, during the previous Tory leader election, BJ put himself forward and then withdrew when Michael Gove threw his hat into the ring, citing that he realised he didn't have the necessary leadership qualities (at this time) to be Prime Minister. Which begs the question - what's changed since then, or was he just being "economical with the truth", to quote a favourite Tory phrase?
If he is prepared to lie so glibly and shamelessly, a la David King, how can he be trusted to lead the country?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Wed 24 Jul 18:54
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The One Who Knocks, Wed 24 Jul 18:36
So the day that Sturgeon was appointed FM were you criticising her for not having been put there by the people?
Yes actually. Parties that change leaders should be forced to go to the electorate with a certain timescale. I know people will say you vote for a party but you also look to the leader of that party. Any changes to a party in power should be ratified by the electorate
Post Edited (Wed 24 Jul 18:57)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 24 Jul 18:58
Anytime he is confronted with things he has said or written in the past which have been offensive to the people concerned he mumbles something about 'words don't matter'. In that respect he's similar to his admirer across the Atlantic who has no concept of 'truth'.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Wed 24 Jul 19:46
"But then one was elected. The other hasn't been"
Give him a chance lol. He's been in the job 4 hours ! I don't recall Nicola Sturgeon being 'elected' until 6 or 7 months into the job.
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Wed 24 Jul 21:11
Changing leader twice,considering May tried an election and actually lost the majority,should be an election now.
He is PM in a minority party that is only in power due to bribing the nutjobs from Ireland.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 24 Jul 22:11
The new Scottish Secretary is Alistair Jack. I can't put a face to that name but the Scottish Tories rarely seem to speak in the HoC.
Post Edited (Wed 24 Jul 22:13)
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Thu 25 Jul 05:37
Careful donj or the cheesy one will be along soon to give you a row for using childish names to call people
The good old days
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Thu 25 Jul 08:14
Maybe once Boris has had his little fling as pm, his friend Trump will sponsor him to the US presidency.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Thu 25 Jul 08:21
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Captain Desmond Fancey, Thu 25 Jul 05:37
Careful donj or the cheesy one will be along soon to give you a row for using childish names to call people
Ooh where did you do that? I must have missed it!
I only really ever saw you and Shakey do that here - it's more of a Daily Mail comment section thing where they have a whole slew of silly names for people and things that nanny told them were naughty.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Thu 25 Jul 09:28
Even by your standards, that's a pretty dreadful comeback.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 25 Jul 10:53
To be honest though CDF do you not think it is rather ridiculous when you or anyone indeed turns names into insults? You know what nevermind. People have to be the people they are I guess. Mind though you supposedly don't do anything to troll or get a reaction eh?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Thu 25 Jul 13:15
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Captain Desmond Fancey, Thu 25 Jul 09:28
Even by your standards, that's a pretty dreadful comeback.
It's fine that you think that and thanks for the information but I still don't know where donj used a child-like nickname and that's the information I was actually after.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Fri 26 Jul 14:20
Quote:
Captain Desmond Fancey, Wed 24 Jul 19:46
"But then one was elected. The other hasn't been"
Give him a chance lol. He's been in the job 4 hours ! I don't recall Nicola Sturgeon being 'elected' until 6 or 7 months into the job.
Also as I recall was there not a vote in the Scottish parliament to confirm her as first minister
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Fri 26 Jul 14:28
Yup, she was the Deputy to the outgoing FM (so a clear 'line of succession') and she won a confirmatory (except it was a 'confirmanat' in her case) vote in parliament.
Not even Parliament gets a say it seems.
Although I expect that he would win the vote otherwise Labour would table a vote of no confidence.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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