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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Mon 1 Jul 18:27
RIP
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
Post Edited (Sun 14 Jul 02:25)
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Mon 1 Jul 22:07
It’s supposed to be comedy but it’s sick and irresponsible. Says a lot about the kind of leftie/liberal propaganda that is accepted as ok by the PC brigade.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Mon 1 Jul 22:46
Comedy does not exist in a vacuum. The day to start the conversation about what is ‘acceptable’ is after we have counted the bodies in the mortuary.
The perpetrators of political assassination are overwhelmingly right wing, people who would naturally support the Farages and Robinsons of this world; yes, those men who wet their trousers at the first sight of a milkshake thrown in their direction yet remain curiously quiet when a Labour MP like Jo Cox is shot dead by one of their sympathisers.
The list is all one way. Right wing extremists have been killing leftist politicians or supporters throughout my lifetime. Not that either JFK or RFK were particularly left wing, not as much as MLK became latterly when he was gunned down supporting a refuse collectors’ strike, but they were far away enough from the USA right to be considered legitimate targets. Kevin Gateley and Blair Peach were both truncheoned to death when demonstrating for leftist causes in London. In both the latter cases the police were responsible for the deaths so despite virulent right wing sympathies being reported amongst officers of the SPG these killings are not technically by right wing extremists. The Breivik massacre of 2011 in Norway (77 killed) was however; Breivik targeted young socialists enjoying a holiday camp on a small island where the police were very slow to respond. Had these young people been black, gay or Jewish I have no doubt Breivik would have acted with exactly the same enthusiasm, but the fact his victims were ‘only’ socialists took some of the edge off his bigotry within western media.
As far as I am aware Nigel Farage, a European politician, has never made any comment on the actions of Breivik. Maybe he is too busy dodging milkshakes or trying to drum up sympathy for a piece of TV fiction from his apologists.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Tue 2 Jul 05:57
Nigel Farage is desparate to be a victim but the trouble, from his point of view, is that the people who oppose him are actually quite nice.
If you think of violent political protest as a spectrum with murder at one end and chucking dairy goods on the other then we can quite easily identify left vs right on [I]that[/I] spectrum.
Then you have the political violence in conservative religious states like Iran and Russia. The right needs to wind its neck in re political violence; right now y'all sound like clouds complaining about rain.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Tue 2 Jul 09:41
Further proof, as if it were needed, that those on the left really aren't very mentally stable at all.
Still, what else could you expect from somebody who no doubt genuinely would have Diane Abbott as PM?
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Tue 2 Jul 10:10
The right is clearly the source of all of the real political violence in this country, it's not even a close thing.
Jo Cox would have been alive if she had been a target of the left rather than the right.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Tue 2 Jul 11:40
How about Stalin? Not exactly squeaky clean in the matter of assassinations.
In my lifetime, most of the UK politicians who have been assassinated have been Tories or Ulster Unionists.
Any time I was on a protest march in my youth, it was the lefties who were trying to hijack it and cause trouble.
The idea that because you believe your cause is just you are excused from contemptible actions is a dangerous one, IMO.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Tue 2 Jul 13:00
MCT, the Death of Stalin was a good film but you know that Stalin wasn't really British, right?
Admittedly the IRA were British, despite their best efforts, but when was the last time they murdered a politician?
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Tue 2 Jul 13:26
"The right is clearly the source of all of the real political violence in this country, it's not even a close thing. "
You've clearly been on some of the stuff you're desperate to see legalized if you really believe that.
Like I said, your signature is quite revealing. And all the smart arsed answers that you like don't make you any less wrong.
The fascist left are a bigger threat to our country right now than the far right (who have, thankfully been more or less neutralised).
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Tue 2 Jul 13:42
My sig was a deliberate attempt to wind you up. Mission accomplished.
Now I would suggest that you look up the definition of the word fascist and realise that you badly misused it there. That's an example of where adults take a specific point and critique it. Children tend to be more general and will make unfounded assertions and/or attack the person making the point instead. Just an observation.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Tue 2 Jul 13:54
Wotsit: “Admittedly the IRA were British, despite their best efforts, but when was the last time they murdered a politician?”
Airey Neave MP murdered in 1979 by a car bomb at the Houses of Parliament.
Responsibility claimed by the INLA.
Unless you differentiate them from the IRA.
The Brighton bombings in 1984 carried out by the Provisional IRA killed five including Sir Anthony Berry MP and injured 34. The main target was the Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher.
Is that enough for you?
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Tue 2 Jul 14:47
35 years is quite a long time.
So, to deflect from the current spate of right wing violence and spiralling hate crime caused in part by his rhetoric, Nigel gets his knickers in a twist about errant dairy products and a comedy program set in Victorian times because there has been no actual violence from his opponents for him to stir up fear over.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Tue 2 Jul 15:45
“35 years is quite a long time.”
So that’s ok then?
Tell that to the victims’ families and those injured who have been suffering all that time.
I suppose you think it was clever of Jo Brand with her so-called joke:
“Why bother with a milk shake when you could get some battery acid”.
Compounded by David Baddiel complaining about the BBC removing it from a repeat episode.
The hypocrisy of Lefties is sickening.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Tue 2 Jul 17:00
Modern leftists make jokes and throw milkshakes, modern right wingers have murdered in cold blood...
Regarding the IRA etc, not agreeing with their horrible actions in the slightest, but let's not pretend Britain was innocent in that conflict, we have a terrible habit of whitewashing history
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Tue 2 Jul 22:36
I’ve not seen the footage relating to the Fromage character but it may well have failed the first test of political satire: to actually be funny. There is a difference between violence amongst puppets as was done in Spitting Image and using dramatic actors.
That being said, Farage cannot expect to be provocative yet squeal like a stuck pig when he gets some of his own medicine back. His antics today at the EU parliament were clearly offensive, partly aimed it seems at that arch European bogeyman Beethoven, and were any EU MP to behave in that fashion during a rendition of ‘God Save the Queen’ then Farage’s face would be purple with outrage.
Fortunately there is no history of political assassination (other than character assassination by newspapers) in the UK and long may that continue. Those found guilty, like the killer of Jo Cox, are sentenced to life imprisonment and not given token sentences as happened in the dying days of the Weimar Republic to Nazi fanatics responding to the lurid rhetoric of Hitler and Goebbels. The hard brexiteers have borrowed much of that fevered language with talk of ‘traitors in the judiciary’ and ‘stabs in the back,’ comparing the Maastricht treaty to the Treaty of Versailles and so forth. They have their own Goebbels in Farage, with Johnson doing a passing imitation of Goering and Tommy Robinson trying to gather stormtroopers on the streets. What they lack- and this may be as good a comment on British political life as is available at present- is a rabid, manic leader believing that providence has selected him for some divine duty. Long may that continue too.
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Tue 2 Jul 22:50
Lots of hyperbole in your comments Sammer.
I notice you didn’t comment on the U.K. Green Party MEP with the F... the Fascists T Shirt or the Lib Dems’ with the “Bollocks to Brexit” slogan on the back.
Just saying like.....
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 2 Jul 23:06
What's wrong with that brexit slogan? If you are against brexit, as is anyone's democratic right to be, its a perfectly valid sentiment. As for the fascist one surely you also agree with that sentiment? Or are you more tolerant of facists than that?
Regardless I don't think either of those actions are comparable to political violence so I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Tue 2 Jul 23:31
“His antics today at the EU parliament were clearly offensive”
That’s the point I was alluding to. No more offensive than the examples I have given.
If you are a leftie, however, any criticism seems to cause offence.
I take it all you Europhiles are happy with the German/ Franco stitch up of the key positions in the new EU hierarchy.
Don’t think the Eastern Europeans and smaller countries will be too happy.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 2 Jul 23:52
Is it not a bit odd that sammer's beloved Russia is funding and supporting a raft of far-right parties in Europe, the UK and the USA? Looks like Putin and his oligarchs don't have an awful lot of time for communism...
:)
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Thu 4 Jul 00:09
I think ‘beloved’ is a bit much; There is a daily anti-Russian line in most UK newspapers, including The Guardian, even when Russian forces are fighting on the same side as western forces in Syria. Your own adopted country Australia gets a friendlier press coverage, but I am sure you would defend your adopted country against what you saw as unfair comment.
Putin is suspicious of the EU since he sees its interests as tied to NATO. Anything which weakens the EU makes Russia’s borders safer in his eyes. Trump dislikes the EU since it is a rival trading bloc and has shown dangerous signs of developing an energy and foreign policy independent of US influence. More alarmingly there have been moves to move away from the dollar being a reserve currency.
One probable cause of the unpleasant language which has been circulating as part of the Brexit debate is the amount of money and support for an anti-EU line being taken by Russia and the USA. In short, people are being paid to shout loud.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 4 Jul 00:39
Russia is a terrifying, impoverished nation driven by extreme nationalism. Putin loves to push boundaries that he knows the UN and the more powerful nations will bottle fighting back against. Crimea, Syria etc. He's a complete dictator in all but title
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Thu 4 Jul 14:19
Sounds about right, sammer. And yes, I probably would do the same as you if Aussie was under fire on here and I thought there was a case to defend. Fair comment.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 4 Jul 20:29
Ann Widicome making an utter embarrassment of the country today in the EU parliament. Vile woman
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Thu 4 Jul 20:55
Thought her speech was inspired actually.
Certainly no less embarrassing than the Lib Dumbs wearing those stupid t-shirts the other day.
The good old days
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 4 Jul 21:44
Comparing the EU to slavery is inspiring? Jesus Christ...
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 4 Jul 22:48
Widdecombe was hilarious. It was like watching your racist gran after she's had too much sherry.
Surely the biggest irony of her mentioning slavery and colonialism is that BRITAIN were the worst offenders!
And for anyone supporting Widdecombe, let's remember she consistently voted against improving people's rights (especially gay people) but did vote for the Iraq war and replacing Trident.
Like Boris she's seen as a bit of a laugh. We all enjoy seeing her acting the goat on Have I Got News For You. But, like Boris, she is a VERY dangerous person.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Fri 5 Jul 13:22
https://www.thepostmillennial.com/progressivist-blue-check-journalists-celebrate-the-assault-of-andy-ngo
The tolerant left in action again. Not exactly difficult to find many more recent examples like this either.
Still they're all just harmless little peeps throwing milkshakes aren't they.
Odd (and by odd I mean sad) behaviour creating a signature just to try wind another poster up. Kind of reeks of somebody who doesn't have very much to add.
I think we can both agree that political violence in the US is on a whole other level than it is in Western Europe?
For now, at least.
And I've added plenty without resorting to insult or unfounded conjecture.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Fri 5 Jul 17:05
If only the mainstream media would show what's still happening in Paris and other French cities on pretty much every weekend (34 and counting now).
Wonder why that is....
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 5 Jul 17:45
Because after 34 weekends of it happening in ever diminishing numbers it doesn't really make international news.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Fri 5 Jul 18:13
The violence being dished out by Macron's thugs certainly isn't diminishing. If anything it's actually even worse than it was.
EU sponsored media blackout
The good old days
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 5 Jul 19:13
Oh dear.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Fri 5 Jul 19:23
Like the media blackouts of Palestinian slaughter at the hands of Israel and other atrocities the world over? British media is a joke, but we get to see Nigel's smug puss every day so that's alright...
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 6 Jul 21:31
Quote:
jake89, Thu 4 Jul 22:48
Widdecombe was hilarious. It was like watching your racist gran after she's had too much sherry.
Surely the biggest irony of her mentioning slavery and colonialism is that BRITAIN were the worst offenders!
And for anyone supporting Widdecombe, let's remember she consistently voted against improving people's rights (especially gay people) but did vote for the Iraq war and replacing Trident.
Like Boris she's seen as a bit of a laugh. We all enjoy seeing her acting the goat on Have I Got News For You. But, like Boris, she is a VERY dangerous person.
Didn't Widdecombe say that Britain was the first country to abolish slavery so she's nothing to be ashamed about?
Just digest that for a minute...........
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 7 Jul 06:37
She's nothing to be ashamed of because it was something that happened 150 years or so before she was born. I'm certainly not feeling any guilt because for something that my great great great grandfather may or may not have had a hand in.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 7 Jul 10:31
But do you try to make political capital out of identifying with the positive aspects of something that happened 150 years ago towk?
My criticism of Widdicombe and Johnson and Reese-Mogg in this regard would be the cherry-picking of British history to paint a glorious picture of our past when it was actually pretty brutal and murderous for the vast majority.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 11 Jul 16:32
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sun 7 Jul 06:37
She's nothing to be ashamed of because it was something that happened 150 years or so before she was born. I'm certainly not feeling any guilt because for something that my great great great grandfather may or may not have had a hand in.
While something that happened many years before any of us were born can hardly be blamed on any of us, it's still possible to feel a sense of collective shame at what our ancestors did. Many young Germans are deeply ashamed of the atrocities committed by the Nazis, before and during WW2.
The fact that Britain was the first country to abolish slavery is hardly something to crow about, in my humble one. Many Brits became extremely rich as a result of the slave trade and all major slavers were well compensated when slavery was abolished. I believe Lord Dundas, whose Nelson-esque statue stands on top of a tall column in Edinburgh received something like the equivalent of £9 billion in today's money from Westminster......
Does the fact that Brazil was the last country to abolish slavery mean that modern Brazilians should be more ashamed than the British or any other country which allowed it?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 11 Jul 18:49
Exactly GG. Britain has a very warped sense of our history when it comes to the empire, it certainly was not a force of good for those they it oppressed.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Thu 11 Jul 21:04
The British Empire:
- Invented concentration camps.
- Committed multiple massacres against protesters in India that dwarfed Tienanmen Square.
- Mistreated, raped and killed thousands of Kenyans at Mau Mau.
- Oversaw famines in India which caused the death of between 12 and 26 million people (for scale, that's around double the estimates of those killed by Stalin's famines in Ukraine, which are widely considered one of the worst atrocities in history.)
- Enslaved and killed millions of Africans.
- Killed people for sport.
- Is responsible for more deaths than any other political entity which has existed and Queen Victoria might be the most murderous Head of State in history.
This is the legacy which Tories want us to celebrate. I celebrate its demise.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 11 Jul 23:11
The Scots were a massive part of that said empire. Hang your head.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 11 Jul 23:30
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Thu 11 Jul 23:11
The Scots were a massive part of that said empire. Hang your head.
I do, and so should anybody else from the UK. However, I acknowledge these atrocities and as a result, despise the Union and what it stood for. Too many Unionists glorify the Union as if it was some bastion of peace which helped foreign nations and peoples move forward into the then, modern eras.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 11 Jul 23:37
Edited because I'm cringing at what I posted now in the light of day.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
Post Edited (Fri 12 Jul 08:35)
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 12 Jul 04:48
"All of us now live in a bubble of choice, we choose our media bubble and all you hear are your own views reinforced or amplified. There is no 'conversation', people are simply sitting in an echo chamber and they are not learning a damn thing. You find your bubble, you climb inside it and you are safe from outside influences and impervious to broader information and dialogue..."
Phillip Adams (veteran radio presenter)
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Fri 12 Jul 11:20
"I do, and so should anybody else from the UK"
At the risk of lowering the tone, away and fling sh*te at yourself.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 12 Jul 13:23
Quote:
Captain Desmond Fancey, Fri 12 Jul 11:20
"I do, and so should anybody else from the UK"
At the risk of lowering the tone, away and fling sh*te at yourself.
You certainly have lowered the tone of what was an interesting debate, CDF. Why can't you just inform other posters that you're at odds with their viewpoints?
FWIW, I think you have a very detached and unrealistic viewpoint of British society and it's politics. I can't get my head round why any Scot would think the Tories or their philosophy is good for our country.
Maybe you're on £80k a year and can't wait to see the introduction of the new 20% tax rate Boo is planning to introduce?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Fri 12 Jul 16:02
An interesting debate ? It all started from our resident Karl Marx posting a link to a Guardian article concerning a, typically, crass Channel 4 program.
I'd respectfully argue, therefore, that the tone was already pretty low.
As for hanging my head in shame for what happened in the past, why the hell should I ? I don't go around expecting Germans to do the same for the much more recent past. I don't expect anybody to have to apologize for what went on before. Therefore anybody that says I should can genuinely go and throw some of the brown stuff at themselves.
Have to pull you up on two points as well, if you don't mind.
Firstly I do not identify as a "Scot". I'm British (and bloody proud of it too). My flag is the Union Flag and always will be. I'm also old enough to remember the damage that socialism done to the UK at the end of the 70s and the years that it took to undo. I certainly don't want to see history repeat itself there (ironic, yes) which is exactly what will happen if that Marxist tramp Corbyn is ever allowed anywhere near Number 10.
Secondly, you have conveniently ignored a few posts of mine recently where I've stated that - presently at least - I do not consider myself a Conservative voter. The only party I would consider voting for at the present time is the Brexit Party. The Conservatives are a busted flush and until they deliver Brexit that is always going to be the case.
As for my salary well that's a very personal thing. However, I have no problem whatsoever with the introduction of a 20% rate for higher earners. Why should enterprise be discouraged?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 12 Jul 16:09
Cap'n Des can't handle any views that don't correspond with his own. He goes on about Fascism but I think he has Fascist tendencies himself. For example, he hates the fact that there is one Scottish newspaper that openly supports Independence. He'd prefer if everyone sang from the same hymnsheet - his.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 12 Jul 16:20
Why do you feel proud to be British? Genuine question, let's try and keep the debate civil and interesting though folks.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Fri 12 Jul 16:58
Oh Eck get off your wee moral soapbox. The National - to which I'm sure you're referring - isn't even a Newspaper. It's nothing more than a mouthpiece that is home to ever dwindling circulation numbers.
Nobody outside the "Indy" movement takes it seriously. I don't resent it, I just laugh at it.
TOWK why shouldn't I feel proud? I'm from a country that gave the world so much, and continues to do so today. A very small island that's punched above it's weight for pretty much it's entirety. I'm proud of our Royal family and proud of our traditions.
And with that I think I'll away and have some fish and chips and a nice pot of tea ;)
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Fri 12 Jul 17:23
I'm the resident Mikhail Bakunin actually CDF, not the resident Karl Marx.
You should look into the differences, you might learn something about subtlety.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 12 Jul 17:46
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Fri 12 Jul 16:20
Why do you feel proud to be British? Genuine question, let's try and keep the debate civil and interesting though folks.
I would think Captain Des is in the minority on that one, TOWK, though obviously I have no concrete evidence to back up my hunch. Most folk in these islands, if asked, will most likely say they are English, Irish, Scottish or Welsh (in alphabetical order before anyone takes me to task.) A similar response can be gleaned from many other countries, too. In Italy, where I was born, folk tend to identify with their region, so they will be e.g. Sicilian or Neapolitan before they're Italian. Spain is the same.
For the record, I've never met anyone who has expressly said they're proud to be British, but plenty who are proud to be Scottish, or other part of the UK and I've met a good few folk in my time.
I don't believe the poster in question is anything like the CDF persona in real life, but he gets plenty of bites on here, which encourages him to keep up the pretence.
Not your average Sunday League player.
Post Edited (Fri 12 Jul 17:47)
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Fri 12 Jul 17:57
Actually find it quite humorous that you think I'm keeping up some kind of pretence when I can categorically assure you that's not the case. Also I'm not remotely interested in bites on here.
Whether I'm in the minority or not is of no consequence to me whatsoever. Anybody asks me what nationality I am, I'm British nothing else.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 12 Jul 18:26
For your information, Cap'n Des, subscriptions to The National are actually on the increase, which must be against the general trend, and they publish the number every day.
I see you're in favour of tax cuts for the rich as they incentivise them to work harder. When it comes to the poor though the Tory view is to take money away from them, even those who are working, so they'll be incentivised to get another job.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Fri 12 Jul 20:43
"When it comes to the poor though the Tory view is to take money away from them, even those who are working"
Want to elaborate a bit on that?
Those nasty Tories have taken more low income earners out of paying any tax than any government that has gone previously.
Indeed it's your own shower up here who are now going after the middle earners (like my good lady and I) whereby we find ourselves paying in the region of £95-£120 each more in tax than our colleagues south of the border.
Still, as long as the junkies get their free taxis to the methadone clinic that's OK.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Fri 12 Jul 21:00
Quote:
Captain Desmond Fancey, Fri 12 Jul 16:58
Oh Eck get off your wee moral soapbox. The National - to which I'm sure you're referring - isn't even a Newspaper. It's nothing more than a mouthpiece that is home to ever dwindling circulation numbers.
Nobody outside the "Indy" movement takes it seriously. I don't resent it, I just laugh at it.
TOWK why shouldn't I feel proud? I'm from a country that gave the world so much, and continues to do so today. A very small island that's punched above it's weight for pretty much it's entirety. I'm proud of our Royal family and proud of our traditions.
And with that I think I'll away and have some fish and chips and a nice pot of tea ;)
You read from a script. Insincere garbage :)
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Fri 12 Jul 21:14
Garbage being a pretty decent word to describe much of the man formerly known as Stuart Goddard's discography ;)
The good old days
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Fri 12 Jul 21:39
Glad you consider that middle earning really as it is the high end tax earners who pay that massive amount per year(I do notice you never put per year there).Low and middle earners actually are better off.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 12 Jul 22:49
You have to look at the whole package as well, not just income tax. Certain services are free at the point of use in Scotland which aren't elsewhere in the UK. Judging by the SNP's electoral record, most people like that approach.
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Fri 12 Jul 22:55
So you’ve “ never had it so good “ in Scotland despite blaming Westminster for everything?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 12 Jul 23:49
I blame Westminster for the things Westminster controls - like Brexit.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 13 Jul 00:05
CDF, you have no right to feel proud of past British accomplishments. By your own admission you won't, quite rightly, hang your head in shame for past British indiscretions that you had no hand in so you can't then hold your head high for British achievements that you didn't contribute to.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sat 13 Jul 00:35
Tories have taken more low income earners out of paying any tax than any government that has gone previously.
Might have something to do with all the zero hour contracts I imagine. Or, to put it another way, poor people are earning less.
Which is a rather unappealing way of paying less tax imo.
Oh, and there are also many more poor people to not pay tax, which is also nothing to be proud of.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 13 Jul 07:42
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Captain Desmond Fancey, Fri 12 Jul 17:57
Actually find it quite humorous that you think I'm keeping up some kind of pretence when I can categorically assure you that's not the case. Also I'm not remotely interested in bites on here.
Whether I'm in the minority or not is of no consequence to me whatsoever. Anybody asks me what nationality I am, I'm British nothing else.
You may well find it humorous, which wouldn't preclude that there's more than a grain of truth in my hunch - in fact it would be more than enough motivation for you to keep up the pretence.
It wouldn't matter how rich I was, I could never espouse the Tory philosophy of "man mind thyself" and to hell with everyone else.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Sat 13 Jul 08:23
"Low and middle earners actually are better off."
That is simply not true. I'm anything but a high earner, but know for a fact that a colleague down south pays significantly less tax than I do on a more or less identical salary.
GG your obsession with me is becoming a little creepy now. Just to put the record straight though, there is no truth whatsoever in your hunch.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 13 Jul 10:48
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Captain Desmond Fancey, Sat 13 Jul 08:23
"Low and middle earners actually are better off."
That is simply not true. I'm anything but a high earner, but know for a fact that a colleague down south pays significantly less tax than I do on a more or less identical salary.
GG your obsession with me is becoming a little creepy now. Just to put the record straight though, there is no truth whatsoever in your hunch.
Obsession? You flatter yourself.....😉
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 13 Jul 12:38
You know, I actually miss posters like Oompar if what we're left with is the likes of Desmond...how about you bolt down south then if the grass is greener down there, enjoy the catastrophe that is Brexit and BoJo, make sure to send a postcard too
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 13 Jul 13:11
So many posters have changed their tag over the years its hard to tell who was who. It wouldn't surprise me if CDF is just the lastest pseudonym of a previous poster.
I do think that some are being a bit harsh on him though. He is the opposite side of the coin to Desperado. Both neither wish or are unable to see the nuance in a debate or conceed that the other side may have a valid point. CDF does it get it tighter though because he leans to the right and so gets clichéd barbs thrown at him that have no basis or even meaning.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Sat 13 Jul 13:33
I find it bizarre that anybody would actually care what somebody on a forum thought about them.
If, indeed, I do get it tighter it's not because I purposely go looking for it. Nothing gets said or done for effect or trolling. Believe it or not, this Captain has plenty more to be getting on with in life.
Andrew, sorry to disappoint but I'm here to stay. My good lady has no interest in a move to God's country. Still it won't just be England that Boris will be in charge of anyway.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 13 Jul 14:26
Oh come now CDF. You don't do anything for effect or trolling? Look at the last paragraph of your last post and tell me you weren't being a little mischievous there.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Sat 13 Jul 15:37
Consciously no I don't. If it comes across that way then so be it but it's certainly not my intention.
My online persona is no different to my offline.
So if that means some people assume I'm a pr*k in real life too then again, so be it :)
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 13 Jul 21:48
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Captain Desmond Fancey, Sat 13 Jul 15:37
Consciously no I don't. If it comes across that way then so be it but it's certainly not my intention.
My online persona is no different to my offline.
So if that means some people assume I'm a pr*k in real life too then again, so be it :)
I can vouch for CDF on that statement ;)
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 14 Jul 01:54
This thread's gone bit awry. As much as I disagree with cdf, I don't think it's fair to gang up on him.
I actually started this thread as a discussion about satire and the recent attacks on its previously sacred position as protected speech.
I've used the example of A Modest Proposal to illustrate this point before because Swift didn't really want to eat Irish babies, he was making a separate point about social attitudes of his time. To attack this on the grounds that the eating of babies, Irish or otherwise, is to be discouraged would be missing the point.
Had Swift gone out and started a baby farm with attached restaurant that would be different.
TLDR: Throwing milkshakes is like a book which is harmless and murdering politicians is like starting up a baby farm which is not.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
Post Edited (Sun 14 Jul 01:59)
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 14 Jul 07:37
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Wotsit, Sun 14 Jul 01:54
This thread's gone bit awry. As much as I disagree with cdf, I don't think it's fair to gang up on him.
Agreed. I'm also at odds with the Captain's political stance, but personal attacks are unnecessary and out of order.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sun 14 Jul 12:51
On the original topic, and I've seen the episode in question, nothing at all wrong with it. Satire is at its best when its controversial and the moment we start restricting it is the day comedy dies
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 14 Jul 13:21
Comedy is always being restricted. I didn't see much Bernard Manning on TV in his final years but I bet if he had a show it would have had high ratings.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 14 Jul 16:19
I didn't say comedy, I said satire. If what Bernard Manning did was satire then he was the greatest satirical genius who ever lived and also a raging Communist. I have my doubts.
Satire doesn't have to be comedic but it has, in most societies for much of history, been protected speech.
Satirists (such as pueblo clowns, court jesters or Spitting Image) were given free reign to say pretty much anything within the context of their performance because humans are prone to pomposity and having that pomposity pricked is essential to the running of a healthy society.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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