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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 3 Jul 23:00
Down to 18% in latest UK poll. Less in Scotland. As a former labour voter I am genuinely saddened.
Entirely of their own making of course and no sign of any lessons being learnt.
The Scottish branch office are just filled with incompetents . James Kelly being my particular favourite just now. He does stupid superbly well.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 3 Jul 23:19
Labour are dead. They don't know what their members really want.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 4 Jul 00:36
That's what you get for abandoning left leaning views under Blair and then more recently refusing to go against Brexit. I'm not a Corbyn basher by any degree but they really need to come out with a definitive consensus or they will die like the Liberals did with the rise of the OG Labour party
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Thu 4 Jul 07:08
You are kidding right ?
Their current predicament is all to do with Corbyn and nothing to do with Blair (who I utterly despise by the way). Even under Red Ed they were never polling anything like these numbers.
He - Corbyn - has taken them back to the bad old days of Michael Foot and his electoral suicide note.
The good old days
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Thu 4 Jul 11:15
Corbyn's sitting on the fence trying to please everybody has backfired big time.
The electorate respect leaders, even if they disagree by taking a strong stance on major issues such as Brexit.
If he'd campaigned strongly to make Labour a remain party, they would be right up there in the polls.
The Brexit Party are a direct result of his dithering and the Tories failure to deliver Brexit.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Thu 4 Jul 11:27
He could never do that though because he's never been a fan of the EU. Plenty of footage available on that front.
Besides I'm not sure either that you can say making them remain would turn them into winners. Some of the clearest majorities for Leave were in Labour heartlands in the North and East of England so alienating those voters are hardly going to put him in Number 10 either.
For a while I was starting to worry, but I genuinely believe now that that man will, mercifully, never become Prime Minister.
The good old days
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Thu 4 Jul 12:11
Not saying they would be riding high in the polls but at least people would have known where they stood.
Yes, they would have lost support from the leavers but they would have taken the votes the Libs are currently taking so things would even themselves up IMO.
I agree with you about his anti EU stance though but perhaps he could have put party and country before personal bias.
At least May did this despite campaigning for remain.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Thu 4 Jul 13:14
I think you're giving May far too much credit. She knew that her "deal" was an absolute stinker from the start and had absolutely no chance of getting through -which suited her as she is a staunch Remainer.
Just wait and see how much damage she will try and inflict on Johnson (if indeed he becomes PM) from the back benches.
I can't believe I was actually quite happy when she became PM after Cameron the Coward bottled it. However, she has been an absolute disaster, an embarrassment even, since Day 1. One thing I can actually agree with the resident SNP members on here on ;)
The good old days
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Thu 4 Jul 16:21
Think labour were fecked (especially up here) long before corbyn. Blair didn't end well, brown was atrocious (worse PM ever? 🤔) and the other one (brother who's name I can't even remember) was a non event.
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Topic Originator: Jbob
Date: Thu 4 Jul 19:51
Clowns to the left of me and jokers to the right.....
Bobs of the world unite
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 4 Jul 21:45
I don't think Brown was necessarily a bad PM. Always felt he was a victim of the media. Let's not kid ourselves, people vote for the party and not the MP. They associate the party with the leader and Labour leaders like Brown (too Scottish), Milliband (too dweeby) and Corbyn (too socialist) are/were destroyed in the media.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 5 Jul 08:08
Everything is stacked in favour of the tories. I believe all the MSM is owned or run by a handful of people like Rupert Murdoch.
The Scotsman is dying telling lies for the English establishment.
I think it's odd that the working classes are so gullible believing what's getting fed into them....
Post Edited (Fri 05 Jul 08:09)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 5 Jul 08:31
I take it you aren't working class Tenruh?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 5 Jul 16:05
Correct, work smart not hard....
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 5 Jul 16:07
That's nothing to do with being working class. If you're upper middle class or upper class that's fine.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 5 Jul 17:41
Upper class then
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 5 Jul 17:46
Nothing to be ashamed of. Working class myself but it takes all kinds to make up a society.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Fri 5 Jul 19:33
Trouble is it gets confusing as you get older.I own my house and have no debt and have money put aside.I'd still say I was working class but am I?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 5 Jul 20:25
I'd say you're nearly Upper class, do you vote tory? If so that would confirm it.
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Fri 5 Jul 20:33
I guess my SNP membership card screws that up a bit.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 5 Jul 21:44
Unfortunately I have to suggest your probably lower working class,
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 5 Jul 22:03
He's probably on the dole if you believe the Unionist trolls.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 5 Jul 22:03
If you're not struggling to make ends meet you're not working class. Sorry gents but you're both out.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Sat 6 Jul 08:54
The point was that we were talking in the pub and all of us consider ourselves working class but we all own our houses,have no debt and have a bit of spare cash.
All of us did start in run down areas with very little so we were working class all our lives so what stops us being working class now.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 6 Jul 09:19
Are Jim Ratcliffe and Alan Sugar still working class?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 6 Jul 16:31
Class system largely doesn't exist anymore. Most folk claiming to be working class are more likely to be unemployed (irony there) or lower middle class folk who refuse to accept they're no longer Jenny from the block despite running 2 cars, owning their own house and going on 3 foreign holidays a year.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 6 Jul 17:23
Most of us start out as working class for sure. I certainly did. I don’t consider myself as any class now. I like donj own property(s) outright have no debt, have investments a private pension etc . But I can never ever and will never vote Tory . Labour used to be my natural home for a vote but not now.
Only Scottish independence for me now. If it happens could I vote for a right of centre Scottish party?...maybe ...but never the Westminster variety they are nasty, callous , evil .
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 6 Jul 19:14
I don't believe it's necessarily the better off who vote Tory. If it was then there would be very few Tory seats. The Tory's are more the "I'm alright Jack" brigade.
To give an example, I once worked with a girl who was a Tory voter. We ended up on a management course together. We were given a workshop exercise to discuss what we do as managers about an employee who had had a few one-off absences followed by a long term absence. He'd returned to work but then been off again. I'd said it sounded like a medical issue that may require adjustments to help the person. She said she'd sack him. I then took great pleasure in pointing out the story was almost identical to what had happened with her husband (he was moved into a more suitable role rather than sacked).
That's the problem with these people. It's screw the parents until their a parent, screw the old until their old, screw the person on the file until they're made redundant etc.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Sat 6 Jul 19:44
Tory voters are inherently selfish, always have been.
The 1980's were the greatest example of this and on and on it goes.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Sat 6 Jul 19:53
Point still is I worked all my life to get what I have and still consider myself working class as that is where I came from.I'm hardly going to say I don't want what I paid for.I feel kids today do not have the chances we had but that is due to the government we have who now look after the very rich.
I am not and never will be a Tory as I still have left wing views and the SNP best represent them as far as I'm concerned.
Only one car btw Jake although I'll miss answer on holidays.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 6 Jul 19:54
Only one car and probably considering going vegan 😉
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Sat 6 Jul 20:14
Nah I love steak.My idea of cooking it is show it a candle,frighten it and put it on the plate.
My gran used to work in a butchers and in those days the fridge was a larder and she kept the fresh meat she brought home hanging in an old frying pan thing.I used to steal bits of raw steak.
I do hate the luxury food lobster though as my grandad made creels,and had a boat, and the amount of squealing lobsters I ate as a kid put me off them a bit.
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