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Topic Originator: wetherby
Date: Mon 2 Sep 18:02
Will he ?
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 2 Sep 18:48
That depends on what happens this week. If MPs vote with their conscience, aye. If they vote with one eye on their wee sinecure, naw.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Mon 2 Sep 19:19
I don't believe a word that man says.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 2 Sep 19:57
Doomed if there is. The Tories will clean up.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 2 Sep 19:59
It's a coup , if only we had street fighting Labour instead of a simpering lefty knitting club.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Mon 2 Sep 20:22
MPs vote with their conscience ? First time for everything I suppose.
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Mon 2 Sep 20:25
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Mon 2 Sep 20:52
No need for Indy ref 2.
SNP manifesto for GE must include independence .
Win 45+ seats, super majority.....job done.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Mon 2 Sep 21:16
Showing your usual level of ignorance as to how the UK system works.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Mon 2 Sep 21:22
Quote:
Captain Desmond Fancey, Mon 2 Sep 20:22
MPs vote with their conscience ? First time for everything I suppose.
First time I'd agree with you.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Mon 2 Sep 21:49
I reckon they must have some pretty consistent polling saying they'll take a majority if no deal Brexit is ruled out by Parliament this week to be looking at it. I can't see them going for it if they thought they would lose an election.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Tue 3 Sep 03:28
Labour would be wise to deny him an election before Oct 31st.
They would get trounced as it stands.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Tue 3 Sep 05:37
If there is a GE it could be one of the least predictable ever.
Because of the first-past-the-post system and potential agreements between parties I think the tories could end up with anywhere between 200 and 400 seats. Fun times ahead!
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Tue 3 Sep 11:47
Quote:
aaaaaaaaaargh, Tue 3 Sep 05:37
If there is a GE it could be one of the least predictable ever.
Because of the first-past-the-post system and potential agreements between parties I think the tories could end up with anywhere between 200 and 400 seats. Fun times ahead!
Nigel Farage has, this morning confirmed his party won't stand candidates against the Tories if they promise a no deal Brexit.
They would therefore stroll the election as the pro remain vote would be split between Labour and the Lib Dems.
Johnson is setting a trap for Corbyn and as I said, he and Labour would be very wise to refuse to agree to a GE before the end of October.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Tue 3 Sep 12:39
You are probably right. Farage has been relatively quiet about all of this. I guess they won't reach the 2/3 majority required to call a GE.
Apparently someone is going to request an emergency debate on Brexit today then "MPs will then be asked for their consent. If some MPs shout "no", 40 MPs in favour of the debate will need to stand up to ensure the debate goes ahead."
Does anyone else find it disturbing that, in 2019, we have a political system that relies on people shouting and standing or sitting at the right time?
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Tue 3 Sep 14:13
There is a truly shocking clause in the bill being tabled today which more or less stipulates that the PM would be bound to agree whatever length of extension the EU dictates.
Theoretically, the EU could insist on a 10 year extension and the Prime Minister would have to agree to that. Absolutely appalling.
Boris Johnson is absolutely right to say he will not be asking for any more extensions - least of all another paltry 3 months. MPs have had over 3 years to come up with something and are no closer than they were at the very start.
Interesting to see Labour already backtracking from their "Bring it On" stance regarding a general election too. I hope, when it happens, the British public will give that party the bloody nose it deserves.
Honestly, if it was a vote between them and the SNP right now I'd vote SNP every time (and that just made me a little sick in my mouth).
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Tue 3 Sep 15:14
Quote:
Captain Desmond Fancey, Tue 3 Sep 14:13
There is a truly shocking clause in the bill being tabled today which more or less stipulates that the PM would be bound to agree whatever length of extension the EU dictates.
Theoretically, the EU could insist on a 10 year extension and the Prime Minister would have to agree to that. Absolutely appalling.
Boris Johnson is absolutely right to say he will not be asking for any more extensions - least of all another paltry 3 months. MPs have had over 3 years to come up with something and are no closer than they were at the very start.
Interesting to see Labour already backtracking from their "Bring it On" stance regarding a general election too. I hope, when it happens, the British public will give that party the bloody nose it deserves.
Honestly, if it was a vote between them and the SNP right now I'd vote SNP every time (and that just made me a little sick in my mouth).
The EU can't insist on the length of any extension as they aren't the ones seeking an extension.
Only Parliament can propose the length of time and wait to see if the EU agree to it.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Tue 3 Sep 18:07
Read the full bill AAPS. It's in there in black and white
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 3 Sep 18:53
I've read the bill and I can't see it, which section are you looking at if you don't mind me asking?
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Wed 4 Sep 07:57
On reflection, I may have let my anger get the better of me and there does appear to be a subsequent clause which could override this.
So much information and mis-information out there just now it's untrue.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Wed 4 Sep 08:07
Yeah the next clause does over ride that one. I did think it was strange that our Parliament would allow the EU to chose any extension date with no input from us.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 4 Sep 08:13
Thing is CDF, Johnson was still peddling that as a fact last night at the Despatch box........
If there is so much misinformation out there, I would really hope the Prime Minister would be one who wasn't involved in its accretion.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 4 Sep 09:08
Could the serial liar promise an election on 14/10, then during the shutdown move the date into November? If so you can understand why leibour are nervous
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 4 Sep 10:04
Yes.....exactly the elephant trap that was being mentioned earlier this week.
Where has Cameron gone?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 4 Sep 10:09
Quote:
Captain Desmond Fancey, Wed 4 Sep 07:57
On reflection, I may have let my anger get the better of me and there does appear to be a subsequent clause which could override this.
So much information and mis-information out there just now it's untrue.
We've got the pork pies for a start....
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Wed 4 Sep 10:13
He won't be able to call one because the cowards at Labour are not going to support a motion for it.
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Topic Originator: dafc
Date: Wed 4 Sep 10:28
No deal should be off the table, however remain should also be off table - Put deal minus these two to MPs and winner takes all. Total farce, worse than 2014 independence. Something we all have to look forward too, because we have this and worse to come.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 4 Sep 10:57
Quote:
Captain Desmond Fancey, Wed 4 Sep 10:13
He won't be able to call one because the cowards at Labour are not going to support a motion for it.
Problem is BoJo is a liar and cannot be trusted so Labour won't give him the support until it suits them.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Wed 4 Sep 12:34
"Problem is BoJo is a liar and cannot be trusted so Labour won't give him the support until it suits them."
I'm not doubting that for a second but (and forgive the blatant whataboutery) I think that could be said about pretty much every MP and MSP out there.
The good old days
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 4 Sep 12:36
That's true CDF but I do feel that when someone becomes the Prime Minister they then need to hit the lying on the head.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 4 Sep 13:33
The new boy made no attempt to answer anything during the portion of PMQs I watched. Plumbing new depths.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Wed 4 Sep 13:59
I've genuinely never been more disillusioned with Politics in all my life.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 4 Sep 14:29
Quote:
Captain Desmond Fancey, Mon 2 Sep 20:22
MPs vote with their conscience ? First time for everything I suppose.
Well, at least 21 Tories did exactly that last night......
Good on them.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Wed 4 Sep 14:59
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 4 Sep 15:04
They're not being cowards, they are being wise.
Nobody in their right mind would trust a pathological liar like Johnson.
"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Wed 4 Sep 17:10
Of course they're being cowards. Not so long ago all you heard from Corbyn was "bring it on" and not only from him.
Cue a couple of polls showing that Labour face obliteration in an election and now their opinion has changed.
The SNP already have them in the wilderness up here. A pact between Conservative party and Brexit Party should see them finished in England too.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 4 Sep 17:37
Corbyn would lose a battle against his own shadow. The issue with the Labour party is that it stands for the working person and that group is split between leave and remain. The Tories don't have that issue as their voters are typically "I'm alright, Jack" a-holes. Jo Swinson could say she'll charter a jet to the moon and write "UK RULZ OK" as she knows fine well noone will vote for her party. Similarly, the SNP could cut the funding for a fire hit school and get away with it...O_o
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 4 Sep 18:08
Quote:
Captain Desmond Fancey, Wed 4 Sep 17:10
Of course they're being cowards. Not so long ago all you heard from Corbyn was "bring it on" and not only from him.
Cue a couple of polls showing that Labour face obliteration in an election and now their opinion has changed.
The SNP already have them in the wilderness up here. A pact between Conservative party and Brexit Party should see them finished in England too.
Is it being cowardly not to get into a fight you know you won't win? Of course, Johnson is desperate to go to the polls. What has he got to lose? He doesn't have a majority anymore and if by some miracle the Tories were to lose the election, he would have the Brexit monkey off his back. Should he win, he'll have a fresh mandate to press ahead with a deal or no deal Brexit.
Corbyn is fully aware that his party are even less electable than the Tories, so he'll just let the PM continue digging deeper and deeper.....
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Wed 4 Sep 18:12
Jeremy Corbyn has won a few fights in his career, not the least twice seeing off Labour Party Blairites who wanted him removed from the leadership. Over the years the issues he has taken a stand on have generally won the day as well; for example he was being arrested outside the South African embassy for protesting against apartheid at a time when some of the present Conservatives were advocating that the terrorist Nelson Mandela should be hanged for treason. Corbyn’s cautious view on Brexit might well be vindicated since he is in favour of any Brexit deal being offered back to the people to vote on; why would Brexiteers be against that? Even Dominic Cummings, whose facial similarity to Lord Haw Haw is coincidental, advocated that a few years back.
The idea that a Conservative/Brexit Party alliance would sweep the boards at a GE is delusional. The Brexit Party as as significant as the Socialist Workers Party in electoral terms and like them has never yet won a seat in the Westminster parliament and never will. What the single issue Brexit Party can do is split the Brexit vote. The only way for Johnson to prevent this is to adopt a Cash-Out Brexit policy, in other words to follow Farage. This will split his own party, from which he has just evicted 20 sitting candidates. Not the best start to an electoral campaign. There is nowhere left for him to go, bar amalgamating his diehard supporters with Farage and creating a new party, the Brexiteer Atlanticists or such like.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Wed 4 Sep 18:28
Back to bed for you.
They've never stood in a Westminster election so your point is lost. They did, however, come a comfortable first in the only elections they have stood in. Don't think your socialist rabble can say the same.
They're also still polling at around 15-20% nationally, and much higher in individual constituencies. So, they could do a lot of damage especially in Labour heartlands where Leave was the vote.
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Wed 4 Sep 18:33
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Topic Originator: Parplod
Date: Wed 4 Sep 21:33
Because the SNP know that they are in bother as well. Leave aside their staunch supporters, they know that the silent majority will look at how they have used their devolved powers:
Policing - they have caused and overseen the shambles that is Police Scotland.
Education - it is not known, in education circles as the Cirriculum for Excrement for nothing.
Health Service - maybe better than England but still failing.
Why should we trust them with full powers after independence.
Currency?
We would be out of the EU and the UK.
The obsession with independence is wettingoff the majority. The people of Scotland must be heard they remind us constantly. They conveniently forget what the people of Scotland told them in 2014.
If a Unionist Govt put up a motion - “That this House agrees that Christmas Day will fall on 25 December” our so called representatives in Westminster would vote against it.
Do the day job better and the many individuals who have no allegiance to any political party might take them seriously.
At the moment no one wants an election. The Tories are in disarray, Labour under Corbyn/McDonnell are unelectable and the SNP know that the decline of 2017 is continuing.
Post Edited (Wed 04 Sep 21:36)
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Wed 4 Sep 21:47
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 4 Sep 22:11
I'm surprised the Express was prepared to publish that.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Thu 5 Sep 00:02
In electoral terms the Brexit Party is a joke, same as Farage. Farage, the man who tried to get into Westminster and was sent packing every time. He has stood 7 times for parliament and has been rejected seven times.. He is a serial loser. He has yet to grasp the difference between shouting for a cause and being trusted as an MP. The rabble of fascists he has accrued into his Brexit Party will be obliterated at any General Election, even if his working class Rottweiler Tommy Robinson (Yaxley-Lennon tendency) is released from gaol.
Jimmy Reid was a well respected Communist who was a leading figure in the Clyde Shipyard work-in in 1971. Any trade union in Scotland, in fact the UK, would have welcomed him as their spokesman at that time. He even made the Parkinson Show and was quoted in the New York Times. But when he stood as a candidate in 1974, at the height of his powers, he received a mere 15% of the vote. He was loved as a trade unionist and public speaker, but he was not wanted as an MP. As a man and a politician Reid stands head and shoulders above the tax-dodging Farage, but the principle remains the same: people vote FOR something in a General Election, not AGAINST something.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Thu 5 Sep 08:11
"The rabble of fascists he has accrued into his Brexit Party will be obliterated at any General Election, even if his working class Rottweiler Tommy Robinson (Yaxley-Lennon tendency) is released from gaol"
You're a parody account aren't you?
The Brexit Party currently have a very ethnically diverse range of candidates which, if you bothered to do any research, you'd already to know. Guess it's easier for you just to go along with the mainstream though.
Plus Robinson is nothing to do with them and is utterly loathed by Farage. Remember that under Farage UKIP was the only party that banned former members of the likes of EDL and BNP from joining.
Still, again let's not let facts get in the way of your inane drivel.
The good old days
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Thu 5 Sep 09:28
To give Farage his due, if you compare UKIP with and without him they are rather different. Sure we would have realised he was harnessing a bunch of undesirable people for his own means but that's politics I guess.
I'm much more bother about his hypocrisy in taking a wedge from the EU and the lack of substance behind some of his statements and plans.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Thu 5 Sep 09:49
Is him drawing a salary from the EU Parliament really that much different to SNP MPs drawing one from Westminster ?
He's already said himself that he looks forward to the day that he doesn't need to take salary from there as it means the UK is free.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 5 Sep 10:17
The SNP MPs are regular attenders at the HOC. Can the same be said for Farage and his colleagues at the EU?
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Thu 5 Sep 10:23
No official records exist that show individual attendance records. However, if memory serves me right (and it was a good few months ago) it was revealed that Mhairi Black had the worst voting of all 650 MPs
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 5 Sep 10:28
''No official records exist that show individual attendance records. However, if memory serves me right (and it was a good few months ago) it was revealed that Mhairi Black had the worst voting of all 650 MPs''
Please remind me how many wrongs make a right, CDF.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Thu 5 Sep 11:14
Quote:
Captain Desmond Fancey, Thu 5 Sep 10:23
No official records exist that show individual attendance records. However, if memory serves me right (and it was a good few months ago) it was revealed that Mhairi Black had the worst voting of all 650 MPs
Strange for someone so opinionated. Perhaps she cant hear the instructions because she is listening to her own voice?
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Thu 5 Sep 11:49
"Please remind me how many wrongs make a right, CDF."
Other than looking for a row, not sure where you're going with this. I was only responding to Eck's unsubstantiated claim that the SNP record is better in Westminster than Brexit is in Brussels.
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Thu 5 Sep 12:05
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Thu 5 Sep 13:40
Quote:
BigJPar, Thu 5 Sep 12:05
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Captain Desmond Fancey, Thu 5 Sep 11:49
"Please remind me how many wrongs make a right, CDF."
Other than looking for a row, not sure where you're going with this. I was only responding to Eck's unsubstantiated claim that the SNP record is better in Westminster than Brexit is in Brussels.
Mhari Black has attended 58.2% of votes since 2017. Slightly more before that.
That's interesting. If you remove the English only votes what would her attendance be I wonder.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 5 Sep 13:41
Quote:
Captain Desmond Fancey, Thu 5 Sep 11:49
"Please remind me how many wrongs make a right, CDF."
Other than looking for a row, not sure where you're going with this. I was only responding to Eck's unsubstantiated claim that the SNP record is better in Westminster than Brexit is in Brussels.
I wasn't looking for a row at all, just pointing out that you can't excuse someone's poor behaviour by giving other examples of it. It's the kind of thing school kids say; "It wisnae just me, it wis him tae."
Not your average Sunday League player.
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