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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 24 Sep 17:33
Has been pretty decent. I've been critical of his handling of Brexit and went as far as calling him cowardly but when he's able to focus his points on key policy decisions a lot of them will resonate with the public.
The new policy on creating a drug company to provide cheap drugs to the NHS was interesting as well as forcing drug companies to provide cheaper generic drugs looked good.
Its frustrating they're such a shambles as they've got the basis for a lot of good stuff.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Tue 24 Sep 18:21
All unfunded pie in the sky and he knows he can promise anything because he'll never be in a position to deliver.
Word is he's once again chickening out of calling a vote of no confidence tomorrow.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Tue 24 Sep 18:35
Quote:
Captain Desmond Fancey, Tue 24 Sep 18:21
All unfunded pie in the sky and he knows he can promise anything because he'll never be in a position to deliver.
Word is he's once again chickening out of calling a vote of no confidence tomorrow.
He probably will chicken out but of course it doesn't have to be him who calls it.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Tue 24 Sep 18:51
Sort out your caricatures. Corbyn is either promising unfunded pie in the sky stuff, or he is about to fall upon the inherited wealth of Middle England with a vengeance to fund his programme. He can’t be doing both.
If Corbyn is a feeble, indecisive coward how can he be, at the same time, a Marxist dictator with a heart of iron ready to seize power from the aristocrats and capitalists who have held it throughout our lifetimes?
If pie in the sky is your preferred dish then Sajid Javid’s speech as chancellor, which may be the only such one he ever makes and has already been consigned to the waste bin of history, is the real deal.
As regards cowardice we have an unelected PM who has lost every single significant vote he has ever contested, who is scared to face his own parliament, who is terrified of calling an election, who is frightened to face the EU and is now hiding in his birthplace of New York where he may be well advised to stay. He will never be forgiven by The Establishment for pulling the Queen into politics to serve his own ends.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Tue 24 Sep 18:53
Would be wary of calling a new GE until Boris has adhered to the law preventing a no deal crash out first... Wouldn't trust Johnston as far as I could p***
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 24 Sep 19:01
The finest conference speech I have heard or seen in the last 60 years I was actually welling up at some parts It was a superb performance by J.C.
The Captain is probably right in that he may never be in a position to deliver
Unfunded pie in the sky.. No ..The reality is It will be funded from all the tax avoidance companies the tax avoidance offshore accounts and the millionaire tax cheats who gift hundreds of thousands to their respective partners to avoid paying tax
The reason Boris the Liar is pushing for a no deal is to avoid all of the above
Imaging lying to an auld age pensioner ..... Shame on him
Captain D F Word is ? ...are you privy to inside info regarding J C's future strategy ?
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
Post Edited (Tue 24 Sep 19:23)
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Tue 24 Sep 21:34
Be afraid. Be very Afraid.
A potential Marxist government led by Corbyn / McDonnell raises all the warning signs of a return to the dark ages of the 70’s with the country held to ransom by the trade unions and economic incompetence.
The proposal to re nationalise industries that were privatised because they were inefficient, gave poor service and were heavily subsidised would be a disaster.
As for getting rid of private schools it’s worth checking how many of Corbyn’s shadow cabinet went to or send their kids to private schools or grammar schools which they are against also.
I’ll help you: Corbyn,McDonnell, Chakrabarti, Starmer, Abbott, just to get started. By the way, Chakrabarti tried to get her son into Eton of all places!
All the promises of manna with the increased minimum wage, reduced working hours, increased benefits etc are all pie in the sky.
Unless you create wealth you cannot share it. A basic economic fact.
There would be no incentive to create wealth as the totalitarian state would take it away in taxation.
A no deal Brexit might cause disruption in the short term but a Corbyn led government would cause untold long term structural damage to the country.
I don’t want to be piled up in a body bag somewhere because everyone is on strike....Just remember the 70’s.
Clearly a manifesto for those socialist idealists who never lived through those times.
Post Edited (Tue 24 Sep 21:43)
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Tue 24 Sep 21:51
Quote:
parbucks, Tue 24 Sep 21:34
I don’t want to be piled up in a body bag somewhere because everyone is on strike....Just remember the 70’s..
Just because you don't want to be piled up in a body bag somewhere doesn't mean to say that we wouldn't be quite happy to see it happen
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 24 Sep 21:51
Parbucks
On the bright side you will get the tablets your on for nowt
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Tue 24 Sep 21:54
You wish red-star.
“Tablets your on for nowt”...only outside England 😉
Post Edited (Tue 24 Sep 21:55)
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Tue 24 Sep 22:16
Lest we forget: The winter of discontent 78/79. Jim Callaghan, Labour PM.
“Gravediggers' Strike:
A notorious industrial action during the winter, and one which was later frequently referred to by Conservative politicians, was the strike by gravediggers, members of the GMWU in Liverpool and in Tameside near Manchester.[11] Eighty gravediggers being on strike, Liverpool City Council hired a factory in Speke to store the corpses until they could be buried. The Department of Environment noted that there were 150 bodies stored at the factory at one point, with 25 more added every day. The reports of unburied bodies caused concern with the public.[12] On 1 February a persistent journalist asked the Medical Officer of Health for Liverpool, Dr Duncan Bolton, what would be done if the strike continued for months, Bolton speculated that burial at sea would be considered. Although his response was hypothetical, in the circumstances it caused great alarm. Other alternatives were considered, including allowing the bereaved to dig their own funeral's graves, deploying troops, and engaging private contractors to inter the bodies. The main concerns were said to be aesthetic because bodies could be safely stored in heat-sealed bags for up to six weeks.[12] Bolton later reported being "horrified" by the sensationalised reportage of the strike in the mass media.[13] The gravediggers eventually settled for a 14% rise after a fortnight's strike.”
All this under a Labour Government who couldn’t control their main financial supporters, the Trade Unions.
Corbyn wants to repeal all the trade union laws subsequently introduced to stop secondary picketing etc and return to the anarchy that made the U.K. the “sick man “ of Europe.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 24 Sep 22:41
Things have changed a wee bit since the 70s. The war is over as well by the way 😉
You only have to look at the job the Government did when they sorted out the East Coast line to realise how well things can be run. Not only did performance go through the roof relative to what it was, it was the only line that delivered a net profit to tax payers.
The UK has some of the highest costing public facilities in Europe and none of them are the highest performing.
Privatisation of public services is pretty much the biggest public subsidy going.
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Topic Originator: parbucks
Date: Tue 24 Sep 23:13
Lpf
I think you might be “splitting hairs” tbh.
The key point is would a return of a Corbyn led Marxist government supported by
revised TU powers be good for the long term stability and prosperity of this country?
I think my opinion is clear 😭
Post Edited (Tue 24 Sep 23:20)
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Tue 24 Sep 23:23
What else was going on during that time though Parbucks?
An oil crisis.
Then another one right after.
The result was a 700% increase in oil prices over six years,.
It was only solved by the discovery of huge North Sea oil reserves in the late 1970s which cased a windfall to the UK economy.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Tue 24 Sep 23:47
Corbyn isn't close to being a Marxist anymore than Boris is a fascist
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Tue 24 Sep 23:59
Ah, the dark days of the 1970s when there was full employment with workers trapped into contracts. When the gap between the workers and the rich was the closest ever recorded which no doubt made all the rich want to stop working as hard. When the pubs were full of smoke and male proles and there was not a salmon sandwich or a glass of wine on offer.
No homeless to trip over on the way home. Not even so much as a foodbank. Football terraces were awash with shouting and, in some cases I believe, swearing too. Half the louts at the game were getting away from the wife and kids instead of taking them along. Illegal drugs were hard to come by and pretty expensive too until market forces kicked in. The tele was rubbish too with crap like Z Cars, Play for Today, Monty Python, Fawlty Towers and some eggheads on about civilisation and culture. Dark days indeed. Long live Maggie.
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Wed 25 Sep 08:25
"Just because you don't want to be piled up in a body bag somewhere doesn't mean to say that we wouldn't be quite happy to see it happen"
What a classless oaf.
Sammer - even by your (admittedly low) standards your drones on this thread do you no favours at all. However, if you want, please do point me to the economic records that confirm there was "full employment" at any time in the 70s ?
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Wed 25 Sep 09:28
Unemployment rates in the 70's were actually not bad. They increased dramatically during the 1980's.
From wiki:-
Considering the data from 1971 that is consistent with the headline figure of unemployment currently published, around 1 million people were classed as unemployed in the early 1970s with an unemployment rate of around 4%. The level rose to 1.5 million by 1978 and the rate to around 5.5%, with many jobs being lost in the recession of 1973 to 1975, while industrial decline and technological advances also contributed to job losses. Unemployment was a major political theme at the 1979 general election, with the Conservative opposition campaign claiming "Labour isn't working" in an attack on the Labour government. The Conservatives won this election, Margaret Thatcher became Britain's first female prime minister and the party remained in power for 18 years, winning a total of four consecutive general elections.
Unemployment soared in the early 1980s as a result of another recession, the official level exceeding 3 million by 1982 and the official rate reaching 11.9% in 1984.[18] Most of these jobs had been lost in the heavy industry sector,[19] which was in decline, with the government's monetarist policies to tackle inflation also being blamed for the economic downturn and subsequent mass unemployment, which was particularly severe in Scotland, Northern Ireland, the north of England, and in South Wales. The south of England recovered well from the recession, however, enjoying the greatest benefits of thriving financial markets and strong growth in the service sector, while the rapid growth in the computing industry also created many new jobs.
Some historians argue that the rise in the unemployment rate during the 1980s was likely higher than reflected in official statistics, due to attempts to manipulate it.[20] Thatcher's government
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Wed 25 Sep 09:42
Quote:
parbucks, Tue 24 Sep 23:13
Lpf
I think you might be “splitting hairs” tbh.
The key point is would a return of a Corbyn led Marxist government supported by
revised TU powers be good for the long term stability and prosperity of this country?
I think my opinion is clear 😭
I'm slightly lost as to what I'm splitting hairs at 🙈 but I don't see how returning public services to the public is not going to be good for the public's finances. All of the utilities are profitable and pay dividends to their shareholders which should be us.
Some of the industries (I'm thinking particularly rail) have increased costs because of privatisation and I suspect all of them are having value extracted through some financial planning that is also allowing cash to be taken out without paying tax on the profits. It's all money we should have.
The only recent example we have of public utilities in public hands is the one I referenced for the East Coast line and it worked spectacularly well.
The discrepancy between rich and poor has mushroomed since the 80s and anything that can be done to redress the country's balance can only be a good thing.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Wed 25 Sep 09:59
When I said 'full employment' the term was relative, in that it was accepted at the time that around half a million people would be unemployed at any given time due to seasonal work, contracts being ended etc. So 1 million unemployed as stated by moviescot was close to, if not quite full, employment.
I would assume that employment as measured in the 1970s meant in most cases a 40 hour week. The Tories in the 1980s changed the calculation method for unemployment at least 29 times from memory, and in every case this had the effect of lowering the unemployment numbers.
If the 1970s were so bad, why are many of today's younger generation complaining that baby boomers like myself had a better start in life than they have now? I think they are beginning to see through the myth of mighty trade union barons and starting to focus their attention on the bankers who bankrupted the country and have yet to be held to account for their negligence.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 25 Sep 12:02
Not to worry Corbyn has promised us Scots free prescriptions and a separate legal system..
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Wed 25 Sep 12:08
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 25 Sep 12:02
Not to worry Corbyn has promised us Scots free prescriptions and a separate legal system..
Excellent. I look forward to that. 😉
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 25 Sep 21:13
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 25 Sep 12:02
Not to worry Corbyn has promised us Scots free prescriptions and a separate legal system..
I'm still holding out for him to abolish tuition fees and announce a new Forth crossing to replace the aging Forth Road Bridge.
Alas, all we'll get is him holding a can of Irn Bru and a Tunnock's Teacake.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 25 Sep 21:18
Also looking forward to Corbyn explaining how drug companies will covered their drug development testing costs. It costs millions to do r&d on drugs and many don't ever see the light of day. The guy is utterly clueless.
Can you imagine him turning round to Ford and saying they can't make any money out of all the research done on improving their cars?
Post Edited (Wed 25 Sep 21:18)
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Thu 26 Sep 07:15
"The finest conference speech I have heard or seen in the last 60 years I was actually welling up at some parts It was a superb performance by J.C."
I thought I'd stumbled into the Jokes forum there !
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 26 Sep 09:59
Aye yer a wag right enough CDF
I watched your man yesterday bumble his way through without a hint of remorse Deliberatly provoke the opposition drag Jo Cox into the brexit debate and dismiss a genuine point as humbug Most of it was school boy stuff at best
He is a crass liability to your beloved Party
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Topic Originator: Captain Desmond Fancey
Date: Thu 26 Sep 10:41
I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave in another thread ;)
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 26 Sep 10:44
I am grateful to the honourable gentleman for pointing that out
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