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 1st May 1707
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Wed 3 May 14:31

Anniversary of the Act if Union rather overshadowed by the Coronation.

The rescue of financial basket case Scotland by her generous neighbour surely merits its own bankrupt holiday?



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 Re: 1st May 1707
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Wed 3 May 15:42

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Parboiled, Wed 3 May 14:31

Anniversary of the Act if Union rather overshadowed by the Coronation.

The rescue of financial basket case Scotland by her generous neighbour surely merits its own bankrupt holiday?



At the time Scotland had a national debt of £160000, England had a debt of 18million. That`s 112.5 times larger than Scotland had. Who exactly were the financial basket case?
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 Re: 1st May 1707
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Wed 3 May 15:43

Here you go, educate yourself. https://youtu.be/9z5i7FA8KxM
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 Re: 1st May 1707
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Wed 3 May 17:16

A very sad day in history, the nation was sold by a parcel of rogues against the wishes of the people of Scotland
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 Re: 1st May 1707
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Thu 4 May 15:20

Absorbing your ancient enemy for a mere £160,000 seems a bargain! Hard cash too…a whole country annexed for a mere 0.09% added to their national debt if my abacus is correct.

And as for a parcel of rogues in Edinburgh’s Parliament - plus ca change as they say in the Grassmarket..!

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 Re: 1st May 1707
Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par  
Date:   Thu 4 May 15:27

It`s all Hadrian`s fault, 1900 years ago he built a big bloody wall in the centre of our island.


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 Re: 1st May 1707
Topic Originator: Andrew283  
Date:   Thu 4 May 18:53

Landlords selling a country down the drain after a failed colonisation attempt. Another reason to eat the rich
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 Re: 1st May 1707
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Fri 5 May 01:43

That`s a fascinating video giving a fresh perspective on the motivations for the Act of Union.

Over the years, historians convinced us that the failed Darien experiment had prompted the English takeover. Learning now that there were several other factors makes much more sense and gives even more justification for separation.

I am always suspicious about rewritings of history, but this one is backed up by verifiable evidence, so I see it as a genuine eye-opener.

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 Re: 1st May 1707
Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Sun 7 May 12:41

Scotland before 1707: poverty, hunger, murder, religious intolerance.

Scotland after 1707: Adam Smith, Rabbie Burns, David Hume, Robert Louis Stevenson, Arthur Conan Doyle, James Clerk Maxwell, Scottish Renaissance, Alexander Fleming, Alexander Graham Bell, John Boyd Dunlop, Walter Scott, J M Barrie, Dolly the Sheep, Jimmy Shand, The Pars.

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 Re: 1st May 1707
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 7 May 13:28

The pre-1707 ones are still happening now.

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 Re: 1st May 1707
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Sun 7 May 15:29

Tad, it seems quite a stretch to suggest that the Act of Union was the primary factor driving Scotland`s advancement in the 18th and 19th Centuries.

It could be argued that the Scottish Enlightenment would have occurred without the union, for ideas tend to be founded on a good education, and Scotland was well advanced by that time. St Andrews University was established in the 1400s.

That said, the 1707 Union certainly brought greater political stability. But, there is little to suggest that it accelerated Scotland`s economic and social progress, particularly in education, industry and trade. Progress there would have occurred regardless.

I doubt that Rabbie Burns would have lost his poetic vision if there had been no union or that Robert Louis Stevenson would have been prevented from writing `Kidnapped` or `Treasure Island`.

Act of Union or not, we would still be here supporting the Pars...

:)

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 Re: 1st May 1707
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 7 May 17:52

In Unionist eyes Scots are incapable of achieving anything on their own. It makes us unique amongst the nations of the world.

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 Re: 1st May 1707
Topic Originator: Andrew283  
Date:   Mon 8 May 00:05

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Tad Allagash, Sun 7 May 12:41

Scotland before 1707: poverty, hunger, murder, religious intolerance.

Scotland after 1707: Adam Smith, Rabbie Burns, David Hume, Robert Louis Stevenson, Arthur Conan Doyle, James Clerk Maxwell, Scottish Renaissance, Alexander Fleming, Alexander Graham Bell, John Boyd Dunlop, Walter Scott, J M Barrie, Dolly the Sheep, Jimmy Shand, The Pars.


You`re pathetically subserviant
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 Re: 1st May 1707
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 8 May 10:49

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Tad Allagash, Sun 7 May 12:41

Scotland before 1707: poverty, hunger, murder, religious intolerance.

Scotland after 1707: Adam Smith, Rabbie Burns, David Hume, Robert Louis Stevenson, Arthur Conan Doyle, James Clerk Maxwell, Scottish Renaissance, Alexander Fleming, Alexander Graham Bell, John Boyd Dunlop, Walter Scott, J M Barrie, Dolly the Sheep, Jimmy Shand, The Pars.


Scotland today: poverty, hunger, murder, religious intolerance.
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 Re: 1st May 1707
Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Mon 8 May 11:28

Of the 47 monarchs of Scotland between 843 and 1707, more than half of them died a violent death or were forced from the throne.

Murder and mayhem.

No comparison with the charmed life we’re living now and our first world problems.

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 Re: 1st May 1707
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Mon 8 May 11:30

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Tad Allagash, Mon 8 May 11:28

Of the 47 monarchs of Scotland between 843 and 1707, more than half of them died a violent death or were forced from the throne.

Murder and mayhem.

No comparison with the charmed life we’re living now and our first world problems.


To be frank we could do with some of that nowadays
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 Re: 1st May 1707
Topic Originator: Wotsit  
Date:   Mon 8 May 11:41

The notion that Scotland had no murder in 1708 is pretty hilarious.

Equally hilarious is the idea that London was serene and crime free in 1706.

Or that the English crown was always peacefully transitioned.

I do, however, accept that Scotland is more peaceful today than it was in 1707. Just like Afghanistan is, I imagine


"Who you are and what you feel comes not just from inside you, but from where you are in the power structure"
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 Re: 1st May 1707
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 8 May 11:55

Mary, Queen of Scots, certainly died a violent death - executed on the orders of her cousin, Queen Elizabeth of England.

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 Re: 1st May 1707
Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Mon 8 May 12:00

Wotsit wrote:

> The notion that Scotland had no murder in 1708 is pretty
> hilarious.
>
> Equally hilarious is the idea that London was serene and crime
> free in 1706.
>
> Or that the English crown was always peacefully transitioned.
>
> I do, however, accept that Scotland is more peaceful today than
> it was in 1707. Just like Afghanistan is, I imagine
>
>

Well we’ve not had a monarch murdered since.

Admittedly, we had a UK Prime Minister whacked in 1812.

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 Re: 1st May 1707
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 8 May 13:32

It`s like being taught history by an American 😂
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 Re: 1st May 1707
Topic Originator: Tad Allagash  
Date:   Mon 8 May 18:39

‘Mary, Queen of Scots, certainly died a violent death - executed on the orders of her cousin, Queen Elizabeth of England.’

But this unfortunate beheading incident happened more than 20 years after she was imprisoned at Loch Leven and forced to abdicate the Scottish throne in favour of her son James VI.

He became James I of England after Elizabeth’s death, uniting the crowns. So it all worked out in the end.

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 Re: 1st May 1707
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Mon 8 May 19:06

Not for Mary though.

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 Re: 1st May 1707
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Tue 9 May 11:43

Poor Mary, her favourite courtier Rizzio was stabbed to death in front of her by jealous rivals and hubby Lord Darnley survived his house being blown up only to be strangled in the garden.
She was a tragic figure who was used and abused, victim of schemes and plots most of her adult life.



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