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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Wed 12 Jul 15:09
A damp squib more like…
Poor Angus, has he just realised his leaders don’t take Independence seriously?
Nobody else does chum, join the club!
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 12 Jul 15:19
Quote:
Parboiled, Wed 12 Jul 15:09
A damp squib more like…
Poor Angus, has he just realised his leaders don’t take Independence seriously?
Nobody else does chum, join the club!
Think you`re right Mario , looks like the Executive is going to be a coalition with your mob.
At least we`ll be rid of the Greens
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-spare-wheels/
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Wed 12 Jul 15:39
I’ve no idea who is in Mario’s mob. Next time I see him I’ll ask
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 12 Jul 16:24
I hope you two aren`t going to fall out. We`re all enjoying your bromance.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 12 Jul 16:59
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 12 Jul 16:24
I hope you two aren`t going to fall out. We`re all enjoying your bromance.
Are they not the same person with two different log-ins?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 12 Jul 18:30
Quote:
red-star-par, Wed 12 Jul 16:59
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wee eck, Wed 12 Jul 16:24
I hope you two aren`t going to fall out. We`re all enjoying your bromance.
Are they not the same person with two different log-ins?
I`m good cop, Mario's bad cop 👮♂️
Post Edited (Wed 12 Jul 18:31)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 12 Jul 18:42
You`re the OF of the Politics Forum; two cheeks of the same erchie.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 12 Jul 23:39
More petty name calling.....
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Thu 13 Jul 00:59
There`s a certain irony reading about the Reverend complaining that Independence isn`t the SNPs top priority when he`s more bothered about the GRA than he is Independence.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 13 Jul 02:08
Quote:
da_no_1, Wed 12 Jul 23:39
More petty name calling.....
The absolute irony 😂
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 13 Jul 06:35
Quote:
da_no_1, Wed 12 Jul 23:39
More petty name calling.....
It`s pure deflection, they`d rather name call than read or debate the posting.
In Mario`s case its just pure trolling to close down discussion.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 13 Jul 06:41
Quote:
londonparsfan, Thu 13 Jul 00:59
There`s a certain irony reading about the Reverend complaining that Independence isn`t the SNPs top priority when he`s more bothered about the GRA than he is Independence.
It`s a political subject he covers all things political, let`s face it, the GRA bill has been a big reason we`ve now got an unelected continuity FM.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 13 Jul 07:29
Quote:
Andrew283, Thu 13 Jul 02:08
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da_no_1, Wed 12 Jul 23:39
More petty name calling.....
The absolute irony 😂
You`ve lost me
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Thu 13 Jul 09:43
Quote:
Tenruh, Thu 13 Jul 06:41
Quote:
londonparsfan, Thu 13 Jul 00:59
There`s a certain irony reading about the Reverend complaining that Independence isn`t the SNPs top priority when he`s more bothered about the GRA than he is Independence.
It`s a political subject he covers all things political, let`s face it, the GRA bill has been a big reason we`ve now got an unelected continuity FM.
Yeah but he`s more bothered about that than Independence whilst moaning that someone responsible for Governing the country (they have more than one political subject to deal with too, I believe) is more bothered about other things than Independence. It`s just another example of his rank hypocrisy and its folk like him that try and keep the focus on GRA rather than doing anything productive.
I don`t think the GRA had much to do with Sturgeon standing down so I don`t think it has much to do with who the current FM is unless his position on the GRA won him votes to lead the party. The SNP members have voted him in and we never ever vote at elections as to who leads the party so he`s done everything he needs to do to lead the party.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 13 Jul 09:52
He`s gone all Graham Linehan. Obsessed by a tiny proportion of the population and drawing more attention to the extremists in that group (who do NOT represent the views of the majority).
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Thu 13 Jul 11:18
What’s Gaelic for rats deserting sinking ship?
C’mon, there must be someone oot there who is fluent in our native tongue…
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Thu 13 Jul 12:25
tha na h-eòin a` falbh às a` chreig
Which if you translate from Google will give you something a little different, but the Gàidhlig expression means the same thing
Post Edited (Thu 13 Jul 12:27)
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Fri 14 Jul 11:52
Angus now suspended for calling Sturgeon a bullying bitch..or whatever the Gaelic is for that!
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 14 Jul 13:35
SNP are heading towards colossal losses at the next general election and Alba will be wiped from the political map.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Fri 14 Jul 15:45
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Fri 14 Jul 13:35
SNP are heading towards colossal losses at the next general election and Alba will be wiped from the political map.
I`ll believe it when I see it. Alba getting binned would be grand though
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 14 Jul 16:58
Quote:
Andrew283, Fri 14 Jul 15:45
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Fri 14 Jul 13:35
SNP are heading towards colossal losses at the next general election and Alba will be wiped from the political map.
I`ll believe it when I see it. Alba getting binned would be grand though
It`s all over for the nuSNP and you cannot see it.....Tell me what they`ve achieved in Holyrood since 16/09/14
What's wrong with Alba, they're fighting for independence also the nuSNP and Greens don't own it .
http://robinmcalpine.org/scotland-backwards/
Post Edited (Fri 14 Jul 18:23)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 14 Jul 17:18
Support for independence exceeds support for the SNP. Who can supporters of independence vote for at the next general election? Why would they vote Tory, Labour or Lib Dem? Anyway, a lot can change before the next election which hasn`t even been called yet.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 14 Jul 17:26
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 14 Jul 17:18
Support for independence exceeds support for the SNP. Who can supporters of independence vote for at the next general election? Why would they vote Tory, Labour or Lib Dem? Anyway, a lot can change before the next election which hasn`t even been called yet.
I certainly support independence but there`s no way I`d vote for nuSNP or the Greens.
Name a single thing that the nuSNP has achieved in Westminster other than each benefitting on a personal level?
Post Edited (Fri 14 Jul 17:28)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 14 Jul 17:35
What have Labour, the official opposition, achieved at Westminster? The system`s not designed for minority parties to have an influence.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Fri 14 Jul 17:49
They stopped the unlawful proroguing of Parliament which is pretty impressive considering the point Eck makes about it being difficult for minority opposition parties to actually influence political outcomes at Westminster.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 14 Jul 18:13
Quote:
londonparsfan, Fri 14 Jul 17:49
They stopped the unlawful proroguing of Parliament which is pretty impressive considering the point Eck makes about it being difficult for minority opposition parties to actually influence political outcomes at Westminster.
They never stopped the proroguing, it was one individual and what was her reward?
So we`ve sent our best brains down to Westminster for the last 8 years and achieved zilch...not great is it? Don`t you feel conned, one more push and we`ll have independence, they said 6 weeks before getting elected then what....couldn`t even tell the truth that that plan was achieving nothing
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 14 Jul 18:18
Surely this is the biggest issue for voters? We`ve got a pretty much 50-50 split between independents and unionists. The unionist have 3 parties to vote for whereas the three supposed independence supporting parties are:
Greens - power gone to their heads with ill-thought-out policies.
Alba - Never going to happen
SNP - the SCOTTISH NATIONAL party who appear to have no interest in Scottish Nationalism.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 14 Jul 18:27
They weren`t acting alone though were they? All the opposition parties, including the SNP, united to stop it by appealing to the Supreme Court which ruled it was unlawful.. There`s no way the SNP would get any support to further Scottish independence.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Fri 14 Jul 18:38
Quote:
Tenruh, Fri 14 Jul 18:13
Quote:
londonparsfan, Fri 14 Jul 17:49
They stopped the unlawful proroguing of Parliament which is pretty impressive considering the point Eck makes about it being difficult for minority opposition parties to actually influence political outcomes at Westminster.
They never stopped the proroguing, it was one individual and what was her reward?
So we`ve sent our best brains down to Westminster for the last 8 years and achieved zilch...not great is it? Don`t you feel conned, one more push and we`ll have independence, they said 6 weeks before getting elected then what....couldn`t even tell the truth that that plan was achieving nothing
Look at the court filing and its Joanna Cherry MP. She didn`t do it on her own.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 14 Jul 18:49
Quote:
londonparsfan, Fri 14 Jul 18:38
Quote:
Tenruh, Fri 14 Jul 18:13
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londonparsfan, Fri 14 Jul 17:49
They stopped the unlawful proroguing of Parliament which is pretty impressive considering the point Eck makes about it being difficult for minority opposition parties to actually influence political outcomes at Westminster.
They never stopped the proroguing, it was one individual and what was her reward?
So we`ve sent our best brains down to Westminster for the last 8 years and achieved zilch...not great is it? Don`t you feel conned, one more push and we`ll have independence, they said 6 weeks before getting elected then what....couldn`t even tell the truth that that plan was achieving nothing
Look at the court filing and its Joanna Cherry MP. She didn`t do it on her own.
Did it get us any nearer to Independence though? That`s what we sent them down there to do, one thing and only that.
They`ve just got lazy and the Scottish public have sussed them out.
Sitting down there doing nothing doesn`t work.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 14 Jul 18:58
Hanvey and MacAskill have done nothing to further the case for independence in all their time with their snouts in the Westminster trough. Come to think about it what did MacAskill achieve when he held ministerial positions in Holyrood?
Post Edited (Fri 14 Jul 18:58)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 14 Jul 19:13
The idea that the SNP haven`t achieved independence because they don`t really want it is for the birds imo. Angus MacNeil is the latest to criticise them without coming up with any new ideas how to achieve it. He claimed :-
"The SNP still have no clear understanding that it has to use elections to negotiate Scottish independence from Westminster by getting the backing of the majority of the electorate.``
Wasn`t that Nicola Sturgeon`s proposal??
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Fri 14 Jul 19:31
Quote:
Tenruh, Fri 14 Jul 18:49
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londonparsfan, Fri 14 Jul 18:38
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Tenruh, Fri 14 Jul 18:13
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londonparsfan, Fri 14 Jul 17:49
They stopped the unlawful proroguing of Parliament which is pretty impressive considering the point Eck makes about it being difficult for minority opposition parties to actually influence political outcomes at Westminster.
They never stopped the proroguing, it was one individual and what was her reward?
So we`ve sent our best brains down to Westminster for the last 8 years and achieved zilch...not great is it? Don`t you feel conned, one more push and we`ll have independence, they said 6 weeks before getting elected then what....couldn`t even tell the truth that that plan was achieving nothing
Look at the court filing and its Joanna Cherry MP. She didn`t do it on her own.
Did it get us any nearer to Independence though? That`s what we sent them down there to do, one thing and only that.
They`ve just got lazy and the Scottish public have sussed them out.
Sitting down there doing nothing doesn`t work.
Sorry mate but no it wasn`t. They were sent down there to represent their constituents interests at a UK level. Independence is one of the policies of the SNP. There`s also a lot of representation on cross party oversight boards. I`m not exactly sure how you think they are meant to achieve Independence.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 14 Jul 19:51
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Fri 14 Jul 18:58
Hanvey and MacAskill have done nothing to further the case for independence in all their time with their snouts in the Westminster trough. Come to think about it what did MacAskill achieve when he held ministerial positions in Holyrood?
Why single them out, there`s another 40+ who have spent more time down there you could criticise .
How would you gauge MacAskills achievements against any of the present cabinet ?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 14 Jul 20:03
Quote:
londonparsfan, Fri 14 Jul 19:31
Quote:
Tenruh, Fri 14 Jul 18:49
Quote:
londonparsfan, Fri 14 Jul 18:38
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Tenruh, Fri 14 Jul 18:13
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londonparsfan, Fri 14 Jul 17:49
They stopped the unlawful proroguing of Parliament which is pretty impressive considering the point Eck makes about it being difficult for minority opposition parties to actually influence political outcomes at Westminster.
They never stopped the proroguing, it was one individual and what was her reward?
So we`ve sent our best brains down to Westminster for the last 8 years and achieved zilch...not great is it? Don`t you feel conned, one more push and we`ll have independence, they said 6 weeks before getting elected then what....couldn`t even tell the truth that that plan was achieving nothing
Look at the court filing and its Joanna Cherry MP. She didn`t do it on her own.
Did it get us any nearer to Independence though? That`s what we sent them down there to do, one thing and only that.
They`ve just got lazy and the Scottish public have sussed them out.
Sitting down there doing nothing doesn`t work.
Sorry mate but no it wasn`t. They were sent down there to represent their constituents interests at a UK level. Independence is one of the policies of the SNP. There`s also a lot of representation on cross party oversight boards. I`m not exactly sure how you think they are meant to achieve Independence.
Fighting for independence comes before anything else that`s what the SNP used to stand for., not sitting on cross party committees wasting their and our time.
That`s why people voted for them
Why has it taken the nuSNP 8 years to get to the position we find ourselves in now re the SC judgement.
40+ Independence MPs have down there and we're further back now than we were before 2014 . A disgrace shame on the lot of them
Post Edited (Fri 14 Jul 20:06)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 14 Jul 20:32
Would have even more snp MPs had Salmond not lost the last election he stood in. Turfed out by the electorate though wasn`t he and then took a job working for The Kremlin. He was pretty tight with Trump as well for a while. What were we thinking?!
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 14 Jul 21:56
The anti-SNP argument seems to be - `I don`t know what they should have done to get independence but whatever it was they haven`t done it.`
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 15 Jul 06:39
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Fri 14 Jul 20:32
Would have even more snp MPs had Salmond not lost the last election he stood in. Turfed out by the electorate though wasn`t he and then took a job working for The Kremlin. He was pretty tight with Trump as well for a while. What were we thinking?!
Cannot keep blaming Salmond ,when did he last have power? The party had 126k members (allegedly) in 2016 now 70k (allegedly) where have they all gone...
Interesting times ahead with the continuity FM.
Wonder if Toxic Nic will attend Winnie Ewing` s memorial service today ?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 15 Jul 06:54
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 14 Jul 21:56
The anti-SNP argument seems to be - `I don`t know what they should have done to get independence but whatever it was they haven`t done it.`
They kept promising independence just before an election knowing they didn`t have a route to achieve it.
Been on the gravy train ever since.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 15 Jul 07:53
In politics a `promise` isn`t a cast-iron guarantee. Most voters understand that and you`re naive if you don`t.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 15 Jul 07:53
Still many more members now than there was when Salmond was the leader. Never forget that the closest we came to independence was in 2014 but Salmond just couldn`t sell it. We can but only wonder what the result would have been had Sturgeon been in charge for the referendum. Will go down as one of Scottish historys great `what ifs`. For all Sturgeon`s faults she is a far superior orator and communicator than Salmond ever was.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 15 Jul 08:23
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 15 Jul 07:53
Still many more members now than there was when Salmond was the leader. Never forget that the closest we came to independence was in 2014 but Salmond just couldn`t sell it. We can but only wonder what the result would have been had Sturgeon been in charge for the referendum. Will go down as one of Scottish historys great `what ifs`. For all Sturgeon`s faults she is a far superior orator and communicator than Salmond ever was.
But no matter what you say above Salmond he got a referendum.
What's Sturgeons biggest achievement when FM
Post Edited (Sat 15 Jul 08:28)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 15 Jul 08:29
Yeah but he got a referendum which he lost, and by quite a considerable margin. Despite after that Sturgeon coming along and wiping labour off the electoral map in Scotland ,that referendum defeat was still a major set back for the independence movement.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 15 Jul 09:26
So what IS the route to independence? Why is this not being asked every day in Westminster until an answer is given?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 15 Jul 09:26
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 15 Jul 08:29
Yeah but he got a referendum which he lost, and by quite a considerable margin. Despite after that Sturgeon coming along and wiping labour off the electoral map in Scotland ,that referendum defeat was still a major set back for the independence movement.
Put the fishing rod away min, the independence movement is fractured because of Sturgeon...what has Sturgeon left the country and the continuity candidate? A damn sight less than Salmond left her.
Post Edited (Sat 15 Jul 09:31)
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 15 Jul 09:49
Quote:
jake89, Sat 15 Jul 09:26
So what IS the route to independence? Why is this not being asked every day in Westminster until an answer is given?
Jake, that`s a very interesting question, the nuSNP lead by Sturgeon wanted the "gold standard" route which I believe is asking for a s30, which obviously isn`t going to happen.
So you would assume 40+ MPs each taking in wages and other costs in excess of £200k per annum would surely have the time and foresight to achieve something towards the independence cause?
The Irish Independence MPs have probably achieved more not attending.
That said, the NuSNP Mps love sitting on cross party committees killing time until they need to pull out the old tired trope..."One more vote for Independence " Then the cycle starts again...
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 15 Jul 10:18
No need for the fishing rod. Your man did more damage to the independence movement than any other individual in the history of the SNP.
I`ve asked this before but what is this nuSNP nonsense all about? They are the SNP, plain and simple.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Sat 15 Jul 10:42
Quote:
Tenruh, Sat 15 Jul 08:23
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 15 Jul 07:53
Still many more members now than there was when Salmond was the leader. Never forget that the closest we came to independence was in 2014 but Salmond just couldn`t sell it. We can but only wonder what the result would have been had Sturgeon been in charge for the referendum. Will go down as one of Scottish historys great `what ifs`. For all Sturgeon`s faults she is a far superior orator and communicator than Salmond ever was.
But no matter what you say above Salmond he got a referendum.
What`s Sturgeons biggest achievement when FM
The only reason he got a referendum was because the Yes vote was sitting about 30% in the polling at the time and the Tories were sure they would win. It was nothing to do with his ability as a politician. The yes vote is consistently polling higher these days and the Tories won`t agree to a referendum they think they could lose.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Sat 15 Jul 11:04
“Weve sent our best brains down to Westminster”
Not exactly the calibre of Robin Cook, Gordon Brown, John Smith et al eh?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 15 Jul 11:09
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 15 Jul 10:18
No need for the fishing rod. Your man did more damage to the independence movement than any other individual in the history of the SNP.
I`ve asked this before but what is this nuSNP nonsense all about? They are the SNP, plain and simple.
Here`s a clue to nuSNP ,it`s when the leadership remove the members powers which held them to account.
https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2023/07/15/take-back-your-own-party/
Post Edited (Sat 15 Jul 11:15)
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 15 Jul 11:12
Quote:
Parboiled, Sat 15 Jul 11:04
“Weve sent our best brains down to Westminster”
Not exactly the calibre of Robin Cook, Gordon Brown, John Smith et al eh?
And here`s everyone on here thinking you were a blue Tory. No mention of Tony on the list...the one who should be jailed for mass murder
Post Edited (Sat 15 Jul 11:14)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 15 Jul 11:15
`Not exactly the calibre of Robin Cook, Gordon Brown, John Smith et al eh?`
...or Ian Murray (!) or ......oh,wait!
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Sat 15 Jul 13:56
Kirsty Blackman is a prime example of the “lights are on but nobody’s home” Snippers that infest the Commons.
Just read WOS brutal but hilarious column on her mind bending bletherings on gender, sex and chromosomes
Best brains? Good grief!
Post Edited (Sat 15 Jul 14:41)
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 15 Jul 14:43
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 15 Jul 10:18
No need for the fishing rod. Your man did more damage to the independence movement than any other individual in the history of the SNP.
I`ve asked this before but what is this nuSNP nonsense all about? They are the SNP, plain and simple.
The nuSNP stuff is genuinely cringe. He just seems bitter nobody cares about his party filled with right wingers and tools. So long as all they care about is Independance, to hell with the method it is acheived
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 15 Jul 14:52
Anything has to be better than the Cabal that are controlling us from Westminster!
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 15 Jul 15:43
Quote:
Andrew283, Sat 15 Jul 14:43
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The One Who Knocks, Sat 15 Jul 10:18
No need for the fishing rod. Your man did more damage to the independence movement than any other individual in the history of the SNP.
I`ve asked this before but what is this nuSNP nonsense all about? They are the SNP, plain and simple.
The nuSNP stuff is genuinely cringe. He just seems bitter nobody cares about his party filled with right wingers and tools. So long as all they care about is Independance, to hell with the method it is acheived
Educate yourself ,
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qVqx5qcrg6o&fbclid=IwAR20ackCQFTLSRfCkC_UbHCkYhw7yvrtx5S-Kjo5JlG6-47gPvz6IgEsKys
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sat 15 Jul 17:20
You so realise that those who support independence are not looking for a dictatorship?!?
There will be Scottish general elections, where different parties can put forward their vision and plans. and we can vote for them...
What would be unique in the above scenario, is that we`d have a general election and get the government we actually voted for!!!
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 15 Jul 18:01
Quote:
DBP, Sat 15 Jul 17:20
You so realise that those who support independence are not looking for a dictatorship?!?
There will be Scottish general elections, where different parties can put forward their vision and plans. and we can vote for them...
What would be unique in the above scenario, is that we`d have a general election and get the government we actually voted f!!
Not sure if the above comment is directed at me ? Anyway the last thing I want is a dictatorship. I left the SNP because over the last 8 years that is exactly what they were veering towards, removing all powers that the members enjoyed was probably the main reason the membership was reduced by 50,000 members, trying to jail individuals who you see as a threat.
What kind of individual can coerce others to support that course of action.
If that`s what you`d get with devolution, what do you think it would be like with independence? Jury free trials with friendly judges....
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sat 15 Jul 18:41
And if that was the genuinely the direction, we`d all vote for someone else (but in an independent Scotland)
As it is, you view for a unionists party then you are explicitly endorsing the union and being ruled, essentially by and for England
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 15 Jul 18:53
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DBP, Sat 15 Jul 18:41
And if that was the genuinely the direction, we`d all vote for someone else (but in an independent Scotland)
As it is, you view for a unionists party then you are explicitly endorsing the union and being ruled, essentially by and for England
You do realise there`s now alternatives to nuSNP
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Sat 15 Jul 19:17
With the exception of the Greens not any credible ones.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 15 Jul 19:48
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londonparsfan, Sat 15 Jul 19:17
With the exception of the Greens not any credible ones.
Time will tell,the Greens are certainly leading the way. The Canadian girl has certainly hit the ground running.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Sun 16 Jul 09:25
Looks like Angus is gonna be booted out of the SNP for good. The golden rule thou shalt not criticise the leadership will be enforced
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sun 16 Jul 09:45
Have to agree that the nuSNP stuff is completely cringe. Almost as cringe as the bile from our resident Navy Yoon Brat, just without the poor attempts at comedy.
Alba is a decent concept, but Salmond is yesterdays man, Hanvey is a relative nobody and MacAskill is well known to be partial to the drink in legal circles so hardly credible. Like many Yoons, they are a bunch of auld men who`s egos have gotten the better of them and they can`t move with the times.
I reckon the SNP will remain as the largest party in the next Scottish election, but the question will be by how much. I also wouldn`t bet against a few of the "heavy-hitters" moving from Westminster to Holyrood such as Alyn Smith, Joanna Cherry and potentially Mairi Black. Personally I think any of those three would be a better choice than Humza Yousuf for First Minister.
Frankly, neither Yousuf nor especially Forbes should be or have been anywhere near ministerial positions with their religious beliefs. The whole argument surrounding trans rights was completely toxic and, frankly, the only reason it became so was because of beliefs instilled in society by the legacy of Christianity.
The SNP have unquestionably been guilty of poor management (Glasgow-centric policing), but I would say that their political company is, by-and-large, in-keeping with the fact that 80% of Scotlands vote Centre to Left-of-Centre. Douglas Ross is not intellectually capable of challenging the SNP. Anas Sarwar is just unlikeable and has very little credibility as a Social Democrat. Lib Dems are pretty much gone and none of the three Unionist parties have presented much in the way of alternative policy. So, as others have stated, the Scottish electorate have very little in the way of choice at the moment.
For me, the best choice for FM would be Cherry as she has one of the best legal minds on offer in Scotland and has shown that she`s not afraid to mount a challenge. That said, Smith could offer the same as he has a legal background and would be an ideal choice to guide the country back into the EU.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Sun 16 Jul 10:42
What a smorgasbord of skit
Post Edited (Sun 16 Jul 10:51)
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 16 Jul 10:45
The next Scottish election will be a coalition of Labour/nuSNP or Labour/Tory
The two variants of the SNP will have been in power for around nearly 20 years come the next election just like the Tories down south. They`ve ran the course and the electorate will want change.
Greens will get short shift from the voting public
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 16 Jul 10:46
Quote:
Parboiled, Sun 16 Jul 10:42
What a smogarsbord of *****
Sadly I`ve got to agree Buddy.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Sun 16 Jul 10:57
It’s smorgasbord to be exact, or buffit as we say in Dumfie…
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 16 Jul 11:00
It`s official - they are `buddies` now!
HJ`s analysis, as always, is interesting. I`m not sure about Joanna Cherry as leader though. There`s no doubting her intellect and legal credentials but she was embroiled in the trans-gender issues as well and will be seen as divisive by some.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 16 Jul 11:08
Quote:
Parboiled, Sun 16 Jul 10:57
It’s smorgasbord to be exact, or buffit as we say in Dumfie…
Dunfy.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sun 16 Jul 11:23
Think you`ll find it`s Smörgåsbord in Swedish, but we all know how distasteful you find anything Foreign or Scottish Parboiled, so I won`t hold your use of "Swinglish" against you but I will rather commend you for trying to speak Forrin. With that lack of intellectualism and English Naval Officer arrogance, I can see exactly why you vote for Douglas Ross! 😂
Curious though Tenruh, what did I write that`s wrong in your mind? Alba being full of auld men? MacAskill being an alchy?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 16 Jul 11:45
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hurricane_jimmy, Sun 16 Jul 11:23
Think you`ll find it`s Smörgåsbord in Swedish, but we all know how distasteful you find anything Foreign or Scottish Parboiled, so I won`t hold your use of "Swinglish" against you but I will rather commend you for trying to speak Forrin. With that lack of intellectualism and English Naval Officer arrogance, I can see exactly why you vote for Douglas Ross! 😂
Curious though Tenruh, what did I write that`s wrong in your mind? Alba being full of auld men? MacAskill being an alchy?
Don`t think the character assassination is warrented, although I don`t disagree that they`ll maybe find it hard to breakthrough, With 50,000 members leaving the nuSNP where have they gone? Alba sitting at around 7000 they`ve certainly not gone there.
Will be interesting to see how the Independence vote stands up if there`s Alba candidate`s standing in key constituencies.
Kirkcaldy will fall to Labour for instance.
Black has walked away, Smith has declared himself for the new Stirling seat for Westminster and unfortunately Cherry is as devisive as Salmond and Sturgeon, at this point in time Sturgeon still pulling the strings.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sun 16 Jul 13:02
Interesting nobody comes up with daft nicknames for Alba or the Tories, we just stick to them being complete twats. Labour just a right wing alternative at this point
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sun 16 Jul 13:03
"The next Scottish election will be a coalition of Labour/nuSNP or Labour/Tory"
The desperation 😂
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 16 Jul 13:49
Quote:
Andrew283, Sun 16 Jul 13:02
Interesting nobody comes up with daft nicknames for Alba or the Tories, we just stick to them being complete twats. Labour just a right wing alternative at this point
Interesting you support a devolutionist party and bad mouth an Independence one
https://wingsoverscotland.com/developing-a-complex/
Post Edited (Sun 16 Jul 13:53)
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sun 16 Jul 14:21
Quote:
Tenruh, Sun 16 Jul 13:49
Quote:
Andrew283, Sun 16 Jul 13:02
Interesting nobody comes up with daft nicknames for Alba or the Tories, we just stick to them being complete twats. Labour just a right wing alternative at this point
Interesting you support a devolutionist party and bad mouth an Independence one
https://wingsoverscotland.com/developing-a-complex/
I`ve got more chance voting for a rolled up newspaper achieving Indy than your Diddy little party even getting joint leadership in Scotland.
Pipe down
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 16 Jul 14:24
HJ, you talk about the trans right issue and you seem to suggest that the toxicity surrounding it has its roots in Scotland Christian heritage but you then forward Cherry as being your favourite for FM. Cherry is an individual that is among those most hated by the trans community. Is that because the trans community is toxic because of its Christian heritage or that Cherry is toxic because of her Christian heritage?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Sun 16 Jul 14:42
HJ has had a few gin and toxics today already..
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Sun 16 Jul 14:48
Quote:
Tenruh, Sun 16 Jul 13:49
Quote:
Andrew283, Sun 16 Jul 13:02
Interesting nobody comes up with daft nicknames for Alba or the Tories, we just stick to them being complete twats. Labour just a right wing alternative at this point
Interesting you support a devolutionist party and bad mouth an Independence one
https://wingsoverscotland.com/developing-a-complex/
Conversely it`s interesting you claim to support Independence and yet continue to post someone who would rather vote Tory than a pro Independence party because of Trans rights.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 16 Jul 15:49
Quote:
londonparsfan, Sun 16 Jul 14:48
Quote:
Tenruh, Sun 16 Jul 13:49
Quote:
Andrew283, Sun 16 Jul 13:02
Interesting nobody comes up with daft nicknames for Alba or the Tories, we just stick to them being complete twats. Labour just a right wing alternative at this point
Interesting you support a devolutionist party and bad mouth an Independence one
https://wingsoverscotland.com/developing-a-complex/
Conversely it`s interesting you claim to support Independence and yet continue to post someone who would rather vote Tory than a pro Independence party because of Trans rights.
What`s someone`s personal viewpoint got to do with their journalistic credibility.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Sun 16 Jul 16:08
I`d have thought that was glaringly obvious. If he cares more about gender issues than Independence to the extent he would rather vote Tory than anyone else then they obviously aren`t going to be particularly complimentary about the party trying to protect Trans rights in Scotland.
I stopped reading Wings in the run up to the referendum as I had to apologise to MCT and OMWAV more than once for using information from his blog which was either completely wrong or was a significant distortion of facts or stats taken from other reports. He`s not been a credible blogger for a long time possibly ever.
The fact he`s now a Trans activist rather than someone whose primary focus on Independence invariably leads to the dross you`ve been posting. If you want to listen to someone whose focus is Trans rights you`re obviously welcome to do that but you can`t dress it up as credible commentary on Independence. It just doesn`t wash.
And he`s a blogger not a journalist. He was just about a video game journalist when wrote for Amiga Format but those days are long gone.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 16 Jul 16:18
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londonparsfan, Sun 16 Jul 16:08
I`d have thought that was glaringly obvious. If he cares more about gender issues than Independence to the extent he would rather vote Tory than anyone else then they obviously aren`t going to be particularly complimentary about the party trying to protect Trans rights in Scotland.
I stopped reading Wings in the run up to the referendum as I had to apologise to MCT and OMWAV more than once for using information from his blog which was either completely wrong or was a significant distortion of facts or stats taken from other reports. He`s not been a credible blogger for a long time possibly ever.
The fact he`s now a Trans activist rather than someone whose primary focus on Independence invariably leads to the dross you`ve been posting. If you want to listen to someone whose focus is Trans rights you`re obviously welcome to do that but you can`t dress it up as credible commentary on Independence. It just doesn`t wash.
And he`s a blogger not a journalist. He was just about a video game journalist when wrote for Amiga Format but those days are long gone.
Ha ha..guid rant from our fountain of knowledge. 10 out of 10 take a bow
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Sun 16 Jul 16:34
Sorry to shatter your illusions mate.
Edited to add: there is no rant there by the way. His Trans position is perfectly clear even if you refuse to acknowledge he would rather vote Tory than support the SNP in trying to get Independence.
Post Edited (Sun 16 Jul 16:43)
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 16 Jul 16:44
Quote:
londonparsfan, Sun 16 Jul 16:34
Sorry to shatter your illusions mate.
No problem 👍
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 16 Jul 17:10
Quote:
londonparsfan, Sun 16 Jul 16:34
Sorry to shatter your illusions mate.
Edited to add: there is no rant there by the way. His Trans position is perfectly clear even if you refuse to acknowledge he would rather vote Tory than support the SNP in trying to get Independence.
I know he did say TBO it was If I recall correctly in frustration with the SNPs inaction .
Post Edited (Sun 16 Jul 17:11)
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Sun 16 Jul 17:47
No it`s not. His own words are that he cares more about Trans issues and would rather vote for his local Tory candiate in Bath if they would use their powers to stop the GRA at Westminster.
So not only is his primary focus not Independence he`d also rather overlook the shockingly bad Tory record in Govenrment to have them overrule the democratically elected Scottish Government`s policy and make a mockery of devolution as long as it blocks the GRA.
His rants on that are nothing to do with Independence and as he`s said himself it`s his most important topic in life - more important than Independence.
That`s why you can`t expect anyone else to take his views on the SNP seriously anymore. He`s more bothered about the GRA than anything else by his own admission.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 16 Jul 19:45
Quote:
londonparsfan, Sun 16 Jul 17:47
No it`s not. His own words are that he cares more about Trans issues and would rather vote for his local Tory candiate in Bath if they would use their powers to stop the GRA at Westminster.
So not only is his primary focus not Independence he`d also rather overlook the shockingly bad Tory record in Govenrment to have them overrule the democratically elected Scottish Government`s policy and make a mockery of devolution as long as it blocks the GRA.
His rants on that are nothing to do with Independence and as he`s said himself it`s his most important topic in life - more important than Independence.
That`s why you can`t expect anyone else to take his views on the SNP seriously anymore. He`s more bothered about the GRA than anything else by his own admission.
Can you put up links to the above?
Post Edited (Sun 16 Jul 19:53)
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 16 Jul 20:10
Quote:
londonparsfan, Sun 16 Jul 20:04
No problem. I`ve got little interest in the blog commentary but the screenshot is quite telling.
Scotgoespop deary me I think you can take these comments with a pinch of salt. Got to agree though the bill hopefully gets rid of Sturgeon. And the tories did indeed through the bill out. Man of honour he now has to vote Tory to get libdem MP out next election.
Wee James did embellish the blog a bit there.
Post Edited (Sun 16 Jul 20:25)
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Sun 16 Jul 20:22
Like I said I`ve got little interest in bloggers so haven`t read any of that. He`s made his position clear on the GRA though. Nothing to do with ability to vote SNP in Bath.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 16 Jul 20:26
Quote:
londonparsfan, Sun 16 Jul 20:22
Like I said I`ve got little interest in bloggers so haven`t read any of that. He`s made his position clear on the GRA though. Nothing to do with ability to vote SNP in Bath.
Apologies, I did edit the SNP bit out.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 16 Jul 20:31
Unionists and their pals in the media must love blogs like WOS. GRA should have nothing to do with independence.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 16 Jul 21:22
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 16 Jul 20:31
Unionists and their pals in the media must love blogs like WOS. GRA should have nothing to do with independence.
We should tell our MPs and MSPs that independence comes well before a GRA bill that they didnt have the power to legislate on furthermore it wasn`t in the nuSNP manifesto. Cannot see any outcome other than the tories binning it.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-disgraces-of-scotland/
Post Edited (Sun 16 Jul 21:27)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 16 Jul 21:56
Aren`t you capable of debating any issue without providing a link to WOS?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 16 Jul 21:58
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 16 Jul 21:56
Aren`t you capable of debating any issue without providing a link to WOS?
No
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Sun 16 Jul 22:15
Good to see the Tories featuring prominently again.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Mon 17 Jul 01:50
Funnily enough Parboiled, I did enjoy my Toxicology classes when I studied Chemistry but I do have a rather strong dislike of Gin. Single malt and craft beers is more where its at!
TOWK - First and foremost, I don`t for one second believe that Joanna Cherry is transphobic. This is a narrative that a small number of louder activists have peddled basically because they: (i) don`t understand the intricacies of Scots law and (ii) simply were not going to get exactly what they wanted. My Dad and Sister are both lawyers and, having listened to them discuss various things over the years I really think that those outwith the Legal profession (by-and-large) don`t fully comprehend how strong an eye for detail is required to do such a job. With that in mind, my interpretation of what Joanna Cherry was saying regarding their being legal conflicts between the GRA legislation and currently existing legislation relating to women`s rights - this is entirely plausible. And, considering the fact that Joanna Cherry is a lesbian, I find it very hard to believe that she is in fact Transphobic and I think she has been the victim of wokeness.
All that said, to play Devil`s advocate, Alyn Smith is also a lawyer by trade and was or is on the opposite side of the floor regarding GRA.
Regarding my own personal opinion on the Trans issue, I would say that the overarching mentality should be "live and let live" and people should be free to identify as and live as they wish. For me there are two parts to gender: (i) Biological (ii) Mental or Identifiable. The second is relative, the first is...unchangeable fact. I, personally, did not see the need for a change in the law in the first place as there were the legal mechanisms in place to change gender legally and to receive access to the necessary medical and counselling services, albeit I`m led to believe that there is a concern about the provision of said services. Being a qualified teacher and having been involved in the counselling of gay and trans kids (to a small extent), the one reservation I would have is the access that youngsters have to irreversible surgeries at such a young age and they could essentially do these surgeries on a whim without a formal medical and psychological assessment. For me, there wasn`t going to be safeguards for those that may wish to de-transition but I`m not sure if this will be amended going forward. All that said, I am not a member of the LGBT community and my thoughts are formed from the outside and I can`t pretend to fully understand the process that someone transitioning would go through.
As an addendum, one of my closest friends is in the police, and the issues that the police would face need a proper analysis as there is definitely room there for people to take advantage of the system as has been seen already...
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Tue 18 Jul 10:43
Another one bites the dust Phillipa Whitford is not standing for re-election....Is that now 9 or 10 walking away..
Post Edited (Tue 18 Jul 10:44)
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Tue 18 Jul 11:27
Drugs and Booze minister Elena Whitham has thrown some bangers on the fire!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 18 Jul 13:59
The buddies are back!
Philippa Whitford is 64 and her husband is already retired. It must have been a tough decision to retire. Mind you all the SNP MPs at Westminster are only interested in staying on the gravy train so you would think she`d want another shot at that.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Tue 18 Jul 15:28
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wee eck, Tue 18 Jul 13:59
The buddies are back!
Philippa Whitford is 64 and her husband is already retired. It must have been a tough decision to retire. Mind you all the SNP MPs at Westminster are only interested in staying on the gravy train so you would think she`d want another shot at that.
The former NHS Surgeon says being an MP the last 8 years have changed and " Boris's legacy is toxic"
Another nuSNP MP gets out before they're pushed.
£800K In wages and achieved zilch.
Post Edited (Tue 18 Jul 15:43)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 18 Jul 15:39
MPs from all parties are `walking away` even those from the Labour party who are apparently a shoo-in for the next election which hasn`t even been declared yet.
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