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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Mon 1 Apr 09:24
They have made a mess of everything they touch, but never mind it’s Westminster’s fault or it’s worse in Wales.
Their foot soldiers in Holyrood are nodding yes men/women, some of whom can barely utter a word without a script that’s been penned for them.
They have young lassies as cabinet secs who really should be manning a till in Tesco.
I love Humza though, apart from being a plant from the neck up is he a MI5 planted stooge?
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Mon 1 Apr 09:48
I do love the notion that fogey Yoons like Parboiled slaver about youngsters being "uneducated". Despite your keyboard brovado, you`d stand no chance in a proper debate setting. If you do want to call me out on that then I`m happy to organise something on zoom at your earliest convenience, so let me know.
As for you Tenruh, you are to the Yoons as Orban is to Putin: "the useful idiot". I would far rather have Joanna Cherry in charge of the SNP (which I think will happen in the next few years) and dislike Humza and Kate. But if you really can`t see that you are doing more harm than good to the Independence cause then more fool you.
The two of you need to get a grip and realise that you are in the minority, and quite substantially at that. Being noisy isn`t going to give your nonsense viewpoints any more credence.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Mon 1 Apr 10:21
Tenruh is no more interested in independence than parboiled is…
Only difference between the two is one is pretending to be in the camp
Post Edited (Mon 01 Apr 10:23)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 1 Apr 11:58
Tenruh is likely similar to me in that he thinks independence makes sense but doesn`t think it`ll be achieved with the current lot. Though I`m not a fan of sharing stories that are very one-sided.
We`ve banked on the SNP bringing independence now at at least 2 Westminster and 2 Holyrood elections. We`re no further forward and there is even less media support. The media was obsessed with the GRA even though it made very little change (it essentially reduced the paperwork) and is now obsessed with the Hate Crime bill, which largely brings Scotland into line with the rest of the UK. It`s all a convenient distraction to the massive corruption and fraud going on. How is it that someone can donate a load of money then get conveniently rewarded some months later?
We used to have solid MPs who you`d see about town and would be interested and care. The current lot don`t seem bothered about anything other than political point scoring. This applies across all parties btw.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Mon 1 Apr 11:58
Quote:
DBP, Mon 1 Apr 10:21
Tenruh is no more interested in independence than parboiled is…
Only difference between the two is one is pretending to be in the camp
Aye yer smarter than I thought?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Mon 1 Apr 12:04
Quote:
hurricane_jimmy, Mon 1 Apr 09:48
I do love the notion that fogey Yoons like Parboiled slaver about youngsters being "uneducated". Despite your keyboard brovado, you`d stand no chance in a proper debate setting. If you do want to call me out on that then I`m happy to organise something on zoom at your earliest convenience, so let me know.
As for you Tenruh, you are to the Yoons as Orban is to Putin: "the useful idiot". I would far rather have Joanna Cherry in charge of the SNP (which I think will happen in the next few years) and dislike Humza and Kate. But if you really can`t see that you are doing more harm than good to the Independence cause then more fool you.
The two of you need to get a grip and realise that you are in the minority, and quite substantially at that. Being noisy isn`t going to give your nonsense viewpoints any more credence.
Oh how I love a personal insult , what`s it they say, looks like you`ve won the argument...
6 elections since 2014 and the old chestnut pulled out "only nuSNP will deliver Independence "
Well where is it ?
Ever get the feeling you`ve been cheated
Post Edited (Mon 01 Apr 14:22)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 1 Apr 12:27
I don`t feel cheated because in politics, as in football, there are no guarantees.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Mon 1 Apr 13:00
Oh dear I’ve done a faux pas …lassies manning a till”
Then again these days you could have laddies saying they are lassies so manning would be ok because they aren’t really lassies then they could say that was a hate crime saying they’re not really lassies and oh dear I’m away for a lie down..
Post Edited (Mon 01 Apr 13:01)
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 1 Apr 13:07
The cash cow that is Westminster is really needs sorted out, previous Expenses Scandal and Cash for Honours were revised but have made little difference.
Brexit protected those that had offshore accounts and stopped pensions being increased to European levels.
Tories have tried to stop people voting with their ID legislation and giving expats (foreign migrants) a vote has a look of desperation.
The apathy from voters will be seen at the next General Election, voting should really be made compulsory!
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 1 Apr 13:12
Jake wrote; "It`s all a convenient distraction to the massive corruption and fraud going on. How is it that someone can donate a load of money then get conveniently rewarded some months later?"
Similar to a ship yard thay had no business getting a 100 million pounds contract (that figure has risen to just shy of 400 million pounds now) to build two ferries. The ship yard was of course owned by a high profile independence supporter.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 1 Apr 14:00
Are you suggesting those ships aren`t in the news almost every day? 😂
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 1 Apr 15:23
Comparing `corruption` at Holyrood to what has gone on at Westminster is like comparing the crimes of a shoplifter to those of a mass murderer. Corruption under the Tories is so rife that it just seems to be accepted as the norm. Getting away from that should be as good an argument as any in favour of independence.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 1 Apr 16:34
It`s often in the news Jake yet surprisingly gets talked about very seldomly on here. 300 million pounds, which is not a trifling sum from the budget of the Scottish government, frittered away on a couple of boats that have yet to be delivered. Yet to ovheqr any satisfactory explanation as to why that contract was awarded to the company it was given to. A company that didn`t have the infrastructure to complete such a project and which the Scottish government were informed couldn`t do it. Of course everyone knows all that because it`s always in the news.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 1 Apr 16:59
It`s certainly always in the Herald. They never stop going on about ferries.
I see you`ve side-stepped the scale of corruption at Westminster though. It`s an everyday event down there.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 1 Apr 17:25
I`ve no need to side step anything. I`m not indoctrinated to support any side. Corruption is seemingly not uncommon in Westminster but then if we can`t stamp out incompetence and corruption at Holyrood when they have less powers, money and temptation then it doesn`t bode well for what would happen in an independent Scotland.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 1 Apr 17:43
You`re not `indoctrinated` to support any side? What`s that all about?
What you consider to be corruption at Holyrood is an obstacle to independence but you just accept it`s part of the system at Westminster!
I`m amazed how some people (usually Unionists) metaphorically shrug their shoulders at the mention of corruption at Westminster. Partygate, Owen Paterson, donors given titles, etc. Will we ever get to the bottom of the allocation of PPE contracts during the COVID epidemic?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 1 Apr 17:50
Wee Eck, I never see you criticise anything the SNP do. Ever. If that`s not sign of indoctrination I don`t know what is.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Mon 1 Apr 18:10
Oaft, Towk, but all that Russian oligarch money that has funded the Tories is a fart in the wind compared to the SNP campaign finances, kin? I guess they`ll make up for it though if they actually show some stones and transfer it to Ukraine. Might even be a way for them to cover up some of their dodgy dealings!
Tenruh, I haven`t seen you make a substantive point on the Independence debate in aeons. All we get is drivel about some obscure entity called "NuSNP". How do you even define "NuSNP"? Is it the post-Salmond SNP?
Parboiled - sure you don`t want to shift over to Norn Iron and join the DUP or TUV with that patter? Archaic stuff.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Mon 1 Apr 18:39
Quote:
hurricane_jimmy, Mon 1 Apr 18:10
Oaft, Towk, but all that Russian oligarch money that has funded the Tories is a fart in the wind compared to the SNP campaign finances, kin? I guess they`ll make up for it though if they actually show some stones and transfer it to Ukraine. Might even be a way for them to cover up some of their dodgy dealings!
Tenruh, I haven`t seen you make a substantive point on the Independence debate in aeons. All we get is drivel about some obscure entity called "NuSNP". How do you even define "NuSNP"? Is it the post-Salmond SNP?
Parboiled - sure you don`t want to shift over to Norn Iron and join the DUP or TUV with that patter? Archaic stuff.
Yes indeed it is the post Salmond period, the period when the party lost 70,000 members due to crackpot polices which have torn apart the Independence movement.
You`d think it was deliberate.
How could a party which totally wiped out in Scotland the English Labour Party 10 years ago find theirselfs behind them in the polls now ?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 1 Apr 18:45
`Wee Eck, I never see you criticise anything the SNP do. Ever. If that`s not sign of indoctrination I don`t know what is.`
Funnily enough, I don`t post all my views on here. I do remember criticising Michael Matheson`s behaviour though, particularly his lack of judgement. I like to believe I can think for myself, thanks.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 1 Apr 19:03
Tenruh, how could a party, the Scottish Labour Party , which dominated Scottish general elections up to and including 2010 then find itself almost totally wiped out at the 2015 general election by Sturgeon`s SNP?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Mon 1 Apr 19:20
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Mon 1 Apr 19:03
Tenruh, how could a party, the Scottish Labour Party , which dominated Scottish general elections up to and including 2010 then find itself almost totally wiped out at the 2015 general election by Sturgeon`s SNP?
It amazes me how Sturgeon 6 months after Salmond stood down managed to win 56 of the then 59 Scottish constituencies, then in 2017 reduced it to just over 30 MPs whatever could have gone wrong. That was off the back of 60%+ Scots voted to stay in the EU in 2016. You`d think they would have won 59 constituencies ? Remember they won every region in Scotland to stay in the EU.
Ever get the feeling you`ve been cheated?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 1 Apr 19:23
The SNP didn`t lose those members because of policies. They lost them because loads of people signed up after the vote to make a statement then gradually quit. Was it not something like £10 to join? I know people don`t like facts but that`s pretty much it.
All I see and hear day in, day out is people talking nonsense. Today it was someone moaning about their MP in Holyrood not sorting the roads. I don`t even know where to start with that one.
People need hung, drawn and quartered over the ferries but I`m more concerned about Dunfermline becoming like Biff Tanen`s future in Back to the Future 2. We`ll have the city chambers turned into a casino.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Mon 1 Apr 19:28
Quote:
jake89, Mon 1 Apr 19:23
The SNP didn`t lose those members because of policies. They lost them because loads of people signed up after the vote to make a statement then gradually quit. Was it not something like £10 to join? I know people don`t like facts but that`s pretty much it.
All I see and hear day in, day out is people talking nonsense. Today it was someone moaning about their MP in Holyrood not sorting the roads. I don`t even know where to start with that one.
People need hung, drawn and quartered over the ferries but I`m more concerned about Dunfermline becoming like Biff Tanen`s future in Back to the Future 2. We`ll have the city chambers turned into a casino.
Jake, you could be a member of the SNP by paying as little as a £1.00 a month....
I was paying £28 a month for my sins
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