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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 13 Feb 13:58
Hundreds of millions over budget and years late but the first of the Ferguson shipyard ferries is finally out on the water undergoing testing. Let`s hope it fairs better than the aircraft carriers constructed here and doesn`t continually breakdown.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 13 Feb 20:37
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Tue 13 Feb 13:58
Hundreds of millions over budget and years late but the first of the Ferguson shipyard ferries is finally out on the water undergoing testing. Let`s hope it fairs better than the aircraft carriers constructed here and doesn`t continually breakdown.
To be fair, the issue with the aircraft carriers was caused by Americans 😂
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 13 Feb 20:49
Care to elaborate?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 17 May 15:19
https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2024/05/17/a-sorry-tale-that-can-still-be-rectified/#respond
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 18 May 02:23
A very interesting proposal. Stuart Ballantyne is a personal friend, someone I have known for 40 years. He has a brilliant mind and has created some superbly innovative craft over here in Oz. Like me he is an exiled Scot. He is some years older than me but a man of tremendous energy. I would have a lot of faith in his plan as he knows the ferry industry inside out. Indeed, I have a feeling he was the chairman of the global ferry industry body some years ago. The Scottish Government would do well to listen to what he has to say.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 18 May 06:24
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OzPar, Sat 18 May 02:23
A very interesting proposal. Stuart Ballantyne is a personal friend, someone I have known for 40 years. He has a brilliant mind and has created some superbly innovative craft over here in Oz. Like me he is an exiled Scot. He is some years older than me but a man of tremendous energy. I would have a lot of faith in his plan as he knows the ferry industry inside out. Indeed, I have a feeling he was the chairman of the global ferry industry body some years ago. The Scottish Government would do well to listen to what he has to say.
Apparently he was ignored.
The existing fleet including the part completed ships include accommodation for the ships company along with restaurant facilities, as his designs removed both and cutting the journey time the Scottish government fearing Union upset opted for the status quo.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Sat 18 May 07:15
Poor Admiral Byng
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 19 May 12:59
Whilst I`m sure he had valid points, there are usually good reasons NOT to go with an option, particularly one that sounds like it would save money. I don`t pretend to understand the whole ferry thing but I expect part of the reason related to the staff and the alleged needs for berths for them, even on seemingly short crossings. These ferries should be viewed no differently to trains and buses. They provide vital connections and should simply do what they need to do.
These ferries have been a disaster but I have to say I`ve used Calmac quite a few times over the past few years. Never a delay, never a cancellation, brilliant staff. My only issue was the Norwegian ferry they`ve borrowed as it`s far more basic. That said, it did what it needed to.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 7 Aug 12:41
Good to know that our 6 hunter/killer nuclear subs are all sitting in docks being repaired, one has been stuck for 2yrs!
Kept that quiet, but mention ferries!🤬🤬🤬
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Wed 7 Aug 19:19
Kept it quiet ?
I thought it was common knowledge.
Triumph is now awaiting disposal (at last) so it`s actually 5 subs that are stuck in port.
3 of the 5 could put to sea if they were really needed at a push.... Is the official line. Whether that is true or not is anyones guess.
But we do have surface ships that can track enemy subs and we do have other subs (albeit they are ssbn`s)
It`s weird .... Folk are all "nuke subs are bad" , but now it`s "why aren`t they out there protecting us".
🤣
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 7 Aug 22:16
Think you missed the point…
It’s about double standards for political point scoring
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 8 Aug 08:45
Quote:
widtink, Wed 7 Aug 19:19
Kept it quiet ?
I thought it was common knowledge.
Triumph is now awaiting disposal (at last) so it`s actually 5 subs that are stuck in port.
3 of the 5 could put to sea if they were really needed at a push.... Is the official line. Whether that is true or not is anyones guess.
But we do have surface ships that can track enemy subs and we do have other subs (albeit they are ssbn`s)
It`s weird .... Folk are all "nuke subs are bad" , but now it`s "why aren`t they out there protecting us".
🤣
Or could just get rid of them 🤷🏻♂️ if nuclear war does ever happen, then they will be the first target, meaning Scotland gets obliterated. Remove them from our shores and we may just fly under the radar…..you know, since we are slightly more likeable than our southern neighbours (sorry I mean rulers)
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 8 Aug 09:59
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 8 Aug 08:45
Quote:
widtink, Wed 7 Aug 19:19
Kept it quiet ?
I thought it was common knowledge.
Triumph is now awaiting disposal (at last) so it`s actually 5 subs that are stuck in port.
3 of the 5 could put to sea if they were really needed at a push.... Is the official line. Whether that is true or not is anyones guess.
But we do have surface ships that can track enemy subs and we do have other subs (albeit they are ssbn`s)
It`s weird .... Folk are all "nuke subs are bad" , but now it`s "why aren`t they out there protecting us".
🤣
Or could just get rid of them 🤷🏻♂️ if nuclear war does ever happen, then they will be the first target, meaning Scotland gets obliterated. Remove them from our shores and we may just fly under the radar…..you know, since we are slightly more likeable than our southern neighbours (sorry I mean rulers)
Think Scotland, Especially the central belt would be gone regardless of us housing the UKs naval nuclear arsenal.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Thu 8 Aug 11:53
These subs (Astute class) don’t carry nuclear weapons.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 8 Aug 15:55
Quote:
widtink, Wed 7 Aug 19:19
Kept it quiet ?
I thought it was common knowledge.
Triumph is now awaiting disposal (at last) so it`s actually 5 subs that are stuck in port.
3 of the 5 could put to sea if they were really needed at a push.... Is the official line. Whether that is true or not is anyones guess.
But we do have surface ships that can track enemy subs and we do have other subs (albeit they are ssbn`s)
It`s weird .... Folk are all "nuke subs are bad" , but now it`s "why aren`t they out there protecting us".
🤣
Thought they were Astute class submarines?
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Thu 8 Aug 18:56
Quote:
Andrew283, Thu 8 Aug 09:59
Quote:
Dave_1885, Thu 8 Aug 08:45
Quote:
widtink, Wed 7 Aug 19:19
Kept it quiet ?
I thought it was common knowledge.
Triumph is now awaiting disposal (at last) so it`s actually 5 subs that are stuck in port.
3 of the 5 could put to sea if they were really needed at a push.... Is the official line. Whether that is true or not is anyones guess.
But we do have surface ships that can track enemy subs and we do have other subs (albeit they are ssbn`s)
It`s weird .... Folk are all "nuke subs are bad" , but now it`s "why aren`t they out there protecting us".
🤣
Or could just get rid of them 🤷🏻♂️ if nuclear war does ever happen, then they will be the first target, meaning Scotland gets obliterated. Remove them from our shores and we may just fly under the radar…..you know, since we are slightly more likeable than our southern neighbours (sorry I mean rulers)
Think Scotland, Especially the central belt would be gone regardless of us housing the UKs naval nuclear arsenal.
Don`t know if it`s still.valid but going back to the eighties they reckoned a single hit on Stirling would take out Faslane , Coulport, and Rosyth in a oner.
Why waste three missiles when one would do the job.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 10 Aug 07:24
Just another 130 months and they`ll be level pegging with Ferguson
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 10 Aug 09:18
But unfair. It`s more like 70 months.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 10 Aug 09:41
Indeed, multiplied it by ten but then forgot to half it😳. Apologies.
ETA: Actually I`ll cut them further slack. Should have been delivered mid 2018 so it`s incredibly late but maybe wouldn`t have been nearly as long as five years but for the pandemic.
Post Edited (Sat 10 Aug 09:44)
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sat 24 Aug 12:01
Quote:
DBP, Wed 7 Aug 22:16
Think you missed the point…
It’s about double standards for political point scoring
I don’t think that’s correct and it’s comparing apples with oranges.
Nobody painted windows on the side of nuclear subs and stood in front of it for a “mission accomplished” type of photo opportunity for a start.
All we had to do was build two replacement ferries. So far we’ve nationalised a ship yard and spent roughly roughly £560million (not incl a further £25mill requested by Ferguson marine to secure its future beyond the ferries), proved the industry experts who said LNG would only work under certain circumstances and under huge costs-correct and completely destroyed any remaining reputation we had in this industry 🤷🏻♂️
I’m sure initial estimates were around £200million for the two ferries.
Lets not include the controversial procurement process.
The whole thing is indicative of a banana republic that’s run the whole thing through a Kangaroo court.
I went down the ferry rabbit hole about 12/18months ago.
COYP
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