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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Fri 6 Dec 10:08
So far thirteen papers on Scotland post independence have been published by Scotgov, and a final one will “round off the process” according to total vacuum heided Shona Robison.
Working title “ One more on the road to nowhere” perhaps?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 6 Dec 12:36
Meanwhile, in other news -
`The cost of a “bat shed” to protect a species in woodland along the new HS2 high-speed line has risen to more than £100m, HS2’s chair has revealed.
The 1km-long mesh structure will be built where the London-Birmingham high-speed line emerges from a tunnel in Buckinghamshire, to protect a colony of Bechstein’s bats.
Describing it as a “blot on the landscape” built with “no evidence” that bats were at risk from the trains, Sir Jon Thompson said: “This shed, you’re not going to believe this, cost more than £100m.”`
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Fri 6 Dec 13:27
Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Fri 6 Dec 10:08
So far thirteen papers on Scotland post independence have been published by Scotgov, and a final one will “round off the process” according to total vacuum heided Shona Robison.
Working title “ One more on the road to nowhere” perhaps?
Imagine having aspirations for your country to be a normal independent country, have control over your own economy, abundant resources, immigration etc. ……What a silly idea.
Better to let a bunch of incompetent, corrupt, failed governments in England decide what’s best for us eh? I mean they have a great track record don’t they……..as the UK descends into complete chaos….Let’s stick with it, they might get it right …..hard to imagine though isn’t it as they have had long enough and things progressively get worse. Got to hand it to the Scots though, we don’t give up easily…..
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Fri 6 Dec 15:57
Well, there’s no Minister for Independence now, they’ve given up but dream on regardless!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 6 Dec 17:44
I see the SNP had three donations in excess of £200k each in the third quarter of 2024.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 7 Dec 07:31
Quote:
wee eck, Fri 6 Dec 17:44
I see the SNP had three donations in excess of £200k each in the third quarter of 2024.
That should make up for some of the short money they previously enjoyed .
Maybe they`ll not have to make 30% of their staff redundant now ?
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Sat 7 Dec 09:02
And no doubt a humongous donation from Sturgeon when her memoir starts flying off the shelves!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 7 Dec 09:11
The terrible twins in unison again; uncanny.
With its presentation of policies re WFA, national insurance, inheritance tax, retention of the two-child benefits cap, etc, Labour make the SNP look competent!
Post Edited (Sat 07 Dec 09:33)
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Topic Originator: pacifist
Date: Sat 7 Dec 18:39
Labour in England now 3rd after Reform. They have managed to blow it in less than 6 months in office.
It`s just a matter of time before this is reflected in Scottish opinion polls but sub-polls from the uK polls show the SNP increasing the lead over Labour.
Independence supporters have only the SNP to support now.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 7 Dec 21:42
Quote:
pacifist, Sat 7 Dec 18:39
Labour in England now 3rd after Reform. They have managed to blow it in less than 6 months in office.
It`s just a matter of time before this is reflected in Scottish opinion polls but sub-polls from the uK polls show the SNP increasing the lead over Labour.
Independence supporters have only the SNP to support now.
What have you and your fellow troughers done in the last 10 years for independence?
The SNP are not the independence movement . That was driven home to them by the public in July.....you and your ilk will get another day of reckoning in 2026.
The best you'll get is a coalition with BliS...and the minority party at that.
Where's it all gone wrong from the heady days of 2014.....
Post Edited (Sat 07 Dec 21:56)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 7 Dec 21:55
Labour may be unpopular due to their left wing cash grab which has so enraged the conservative media but fortunately for Labour the next general election isn`t until 2029.
The extra billions that these Labour tax rises have added to the Scottish budget has been a boon to the snp and so paradoxically could negatively impact their chances at Holyrood in eighteen months. Could.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 7 Dec 22:09
The SNP have been in power in the Scottish Parliament for 17 years, and that in itself would indicate change, but the last 10 years of failure and the recent UK results guarantee it.
Not great news for us and the benefits we enjoyed from the first 7 years of SNP government.
Once British Labour take control of the Scottish Parliament they`re going to unravel all the benefits achieved.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 7 Dec 22:41
Quote:
Tenruh, Sat 7 Dec 22:09
The SNP have been in power in the Scottish Parliament for 17 years, and that in itself would indicate change, but the last 10 years of failure and the recent UK results guarantee it.
Not great news for us and the benefits we enjoyed from the first 7 years of SNP government.
Once British Labour take control of the Scottish Parliament they`re going to unravel all the benefits achieved.
So Labour will "unravel all the benefits achieved" in the *checks notes* "10 years of failure" and the solution to prevent Labour getting in is to not vote for the party who would stop them 🤔
Who is the party most likely to deliver independence, Tenruh?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sat 7 Dec 23:28
Quote:
jake89, Sat 7 Dec 22:41
Quote:
Tenruh, Sat 7 Dec 22:09
The SNP have been in power in the Scottish Parliament for 17 years, and that in itself would indicate change, but the last 10 years of failure and the recent UK results guarantee it.
Not great news for us and the benefits we enjoyed from the first 7 years of SNP government.
Once British Labour take control of the Scottish Parliament they`re going to unravel all the benefits achieved.
So Labour will "unravel all the benefits achieved" in the *checks notes* "10 years of failure" and the solution to prevent Labour getting in is to not vote for the party who would stop them 🤔
Who is the party most likely to deliver independence, Tenruh?
None, the SNP are now full of devolutionists and troughers who sat back the last 10 years vilifying anyone outside their circle who tried to move independence forward until we the electorate muck out the byre I see no road to Independence.
Post Edited (Sun 08 Dec 08:06)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 8 Dec 13:55
Quote:
Tenruh, Sat 7 Dec 23:28
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jake89, Sat 7 Dec 22:41
Quote:
Tenruh, Sat 7 Dec 22:09
The SNP have been in power in the Scottish Parliament for 17 years, and that in itself would indicate change, but the last 10 years of failure and the recent UK results guarantee it.
Not great news for us and the benefits we enjoyed from the first 7 years of SNP government.
Once British Labour take control of the Scottish Parliament they`re going to unravel all the benefits achieved.
So Labour will "unravel all the benefits achieved" in the *checks notes* "10 years of failure" and the solution to prevent Labour getting in is to not vote for the party who would stop them 🤔
Who is the party most likely to deliver independence, Tenruh?
None, the SNP are now full of devolutionists and troughers who sat back the last 10 years vilifying anyone outside their circle who tried to move independence forward until we the electorate muck out the byre I see no road to Independence.
So what`s the solution then?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Mon 9 Dec 06:34
Quote:
jake89, Sun 8 Dec 13:55
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Tenruh, Sat 7 Dec 23:28
Quote:
jake89, Sat 7 Dec 22:41
Quote:
Tenruh, Sat 7 Dec 22:09
The SNP have been in power in the Scottish Parliament for 17 years, and that in itself would indicate change, but the last 10 years of failure and the recent UK results guarantee it.
Not great news for us and the benefits we enjoyed from the first 7 years of SNP government.
Once British Labour take control of the Scottish Parliament they`re going to unravel all the benefits achieved.
So Labour will "unravel all the benefits achieved" in the *checks notes* "10 years of failure" and the solution to prevent Labour getting in is to not vote for the party who would stop them 🤔
Who is the party most likely to deliver independence, Tenruh?
None, the SNP are now full of devolutionists and troughers who sat back the last 10 years vilifying anyone outside their circle who tried to move independence forward until we the electorate muck out the byre I see no road to Independence.
So what`s the solution then?
The process has started already, The SNP got 57 of the 59 MPs in the 2015 Westminster election , now they have 9 out of 57 MPs.
Are political parties going to achieve independence for Scotland ?
Theres a move to bring the Independence movement together and formulate a process going forward but there`s one group who would appear not to want involved.
Incredibly Independence is over 50% at the moment and and with leadership and drive that will increase.
Post Edited (Mon 09 Dec 06:36)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 9 Dec 08:04
So the plan is...?
Groups like Salvo are doing some good work but they need people in power to make change.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Mon 9 Dec 09:11
Salvo .. good grief, nuttier than your average fruitcakes!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 9 Dec 10:21
Support for independence is now at 54% according to the latest poll for the Sunday Times. These pesky Nats just will not go away!
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Mon 9 Dec 10:56
Quote:
jake89, Mon 9 Dec 08:04
So the plan is...?
Groups like Salvo are doing some good work but they need people in power to make change.
So the plan is ???
That`s a good question, a country in a union of equals but cannot leave because the other country they share the union with won`t allow them to....that looks like a good start point.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 9 Dec 13:25
Well, that`s a breakthrough. It used to be purely the SNP`s fault.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Mon 9 Dec 13:26
That poll excludes the don’t knows., the don’t knows overwhelming spurned Yes when it really mattered ….with the ballot box pencil was in their mitts.
I thought everybody knowed that!
Oh and another country didn’t stop us leaving, we No voters did! And Westminster is not the government of another country, it’s ours!
And Holyrood is not a government it’s an assembly!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 9 Dec 13:38
Every poll that`s ever been published excludes `don`t knows`.
We`re talking about the situation now, not ten years ago.
How can you have a `union` if it doesn`t comprise more than one country?
Government/assembly = it`s just semantics.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 9 Dec 22:04
I would suggest the "don`t knows" are "no" people who just don`t want to say or haven`t thought about it and will stick with the status quo.
Parboiled, I think I`ve corrected you on this before but Holyrood is a parliament where the government or assembly or whatever other name you wish to call it sits.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 10 Dec 10:55
I`d say I`m more in the don`t no camp now. In 2014 I was yes and quite certain of that belief. Brexit has changed all that though. Having a proper hard border with the rest of the rUK, well, I just can`t see how that wouldn`t have a massive economic impact on us.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 10 Dec 11:36
How exactly would this `hard border` work? If Scotland were independent both England and Scotland would be out of the EU and presumably able to negotiate their own trade deals. We`re told it would be years before Scotland could gain entry to the EU anyway.
Didn`t Ireland suddenly have a hard border with the UK after Brexit? I don`t hear them complaining. `Special rules` I suppose.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 10 Dec 19:55
There are quite a few countries that border non EU nations with no real hard border. Some have random spot checks on freight and that`s about it.
I`d like to see Westminster will see sense and take us back into the EU but not with Farage and his mob of idiots brainwashing the below average IQ people. Saying that, most of them are too busy posting about how they`re not buying Lurpak. Graham`s Dairy must be coining it in from those idiots.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Tue 10 Dec 20:06
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 10 Dec 10:55
I`d say I`m more in the don`t no camp now. In 2014 I was yes and quite certain of that belief. Brexit has changed all that though. Having a proper hard border with the rest of the rUK, well, I just can`t see how that wouldn`t have a massive economic impact on us.
So you were Yes. Then a Brexit that we did not vote for changed you to a No…….
A Tory/British Nationalist mindset that pushed leave over the line without a thought about how it might adversely effect Scotland has made you have doubts about whether we should leave the grip of the very parliament/politicians that caused it…..Beam me up Scotty ffs….
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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