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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 11 Jan 16:04
Still waiting to hear your plan, Tenruh.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 12 Jan 07:24
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jake89, Sat 11 Jan 16:04
Still waiting to hear your plan, Tenruh.
In the SNP we trust.....not.. I was hoping the SNP politician who posts on here would maybe tell us the plan for independence rather than the plan to keep them in jobs with fat pensions by being less than honest with their constituents.
Post Edited (Sun 12 Jan 07:31)
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 12 Jan 07:36
The SNP are not interested in independence, surely people can see that now?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sun 12 Jan 07:49
tenruh, I think you should be a politician neebur…
The way you always avoid answering the question whilst simultaneously kicking another party is as good as you see in any episode of question time
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 12 Jan 08:27
Still waiting, Tenruh.
I know you can`t answer as there is no answer, which you know fine well. Easier to keep sniping from the sidelines though.
Did Alba ever publish a plan, or was it also a "trust me bro" assertion on their manifesto?
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 12 Jan 09:36
Meanwhile a Brighton Labour politician is arrested for child grooming, wonder how MSM will cover that?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 12 Jan 09:53
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jake89, Sun 12 Jan 08:27
Still waiting, Tenruh.
I know you can`t answer as there is no answer, which you know fine well. Easier to keep sniping from the sidelines though.
Did Alba ever publish a plan, or was it also a "trust me bro" assertion on their manifesto?
But but but...the SNP have told us they`ll get us independence usually 6 weeks before an election then it`s forgotten about until the next election.
Alba or ISP,would it matter if they had a plan they don`t have elected politicians.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 12 Jan 10:07
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Tenruh, Sun 12 Jan 09:53
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jake89, Sun 12 Jan 08:27
Still waiting, Tenruh.
I know you can`t answer as there is no answer, which you know fine well. Easier to keep sniping from the sidelines though.
Did Alba ever publish a plan, or was it also a "trust me bro" assertion on their manifesto?
But but but...the SNP have told us they`ll get us independence usually 6 weeks before an election then it`s forgotten about until the next election.
Alba or ISP,would it matter if they had a plan they don`t have elected politicians.
Mmmhmm...ignoring the question again. You need to step up from the community council and into big boy politics. Deflection skills like that don`t go unnoticed.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 12 Jan 10:35
Maybe if Alba or ISP had a plan then they`d manage to get more elected officials. As it was they didn`t have a plan hence why Hanvey and MacAskill got booted out by the voters at the last election.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 12 Jan 10:43
Just heard John Swinney on the radio. There now seems to be an intention to establish some sort of formalisation of the conditions under which Scotland would be entitled to hold a referendum rather than depend on the whim of the Westminster government. He drew the comparison with N Ireland. I think that could be quite a fruitful route to explore. The present situation isn`t democratic.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 12 Jan 11:03
Maybe I missed it, but I don`t think Alba have ever had an elected MP or MSP? Aren`t they all SNP defectors?
Good to hear Swinney has a plan and I hope it`s a real plan rather than just words. It`s also good to hear parties like the Greens are coming back around the table on the development of a National Cars Service. I still find it utterly ridiculous that Scottish Labour is playing party politics on this service while throwing their weight behind it in England. Sarwar has to realise he`s killing Labour with this approach.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 12 Jan 11:15
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The One Who Knocks, Sun 12 Jan 10:35
Maybe if Alba or ISP had a plan then they`d manage to get more elected officials. As it was they didn`t have a plan hence why Hanvey and MacAskill got booted out by the voters at the last election.
Along with 40 plus SNP MPs...where has it all gone wrong Nicola?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 12 Jan 11:21
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wee eck, Sun 12 Jan 10:43
Just heard John Swinney on the radio. There now seems to be an intention to establish some sort of formalisation of the conditions under which Scotland would be entitled to hold a referendum rather than depend on the whim of the Westminster government. He drew the comparison with N Ireland. I think that could be quite a fruitful route to explore. The present situation isn`t democratic.
Don`t believe a word he says eck..remember he wasn`t voted into the position of FM by either the electorate or SNP membership. He`s there to keep a lid on all the alleged behaviour of the party official`s.
Even though it's looking like Murrell is going to be the patsy going by the SNP comic the national.
Post Edited (Sun 12 Jan 11:22)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 12 Jan 11:42
Tenruh, you`re one of these posters on here who would suck the hope out of everyone. I can`t remember the last time you made a positive point. All you do is repeat old grievances and fight old battles. You come across as a very bitter person and that`s a hard position to make any progress from. I find it very hard to believe that you actually want independence.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 12 Jan 12:00
I`m pretty much in the Tenruh camp of "I`ll believe it when I see it." But it at least sounds like a positive step.
I would hope there are learnings from votes in Catalonia and UK (Brexit). As it stands today, Scotland would vote (marginally) for independence. Any vote would have to be a proper one rather than advisory (as it was in Catalonia) but the outcome would likely be similar to Brexit with one side royally cheesed off.
There are various issues that would need to be clarified around currency and trade among other things. Based on the last attempt, it would appear England will play the role of the spurned lover who will reject any compromise so Scotland would need to establish viable seaports and an alternative to the pound. I can only speak for my generation, but we couldn`t care less what currency we use as we rarely see physical cash anymore. The older generation might cling to a need to see the Kings head on it though.
A hard border will need to be an accepted. Will this impact on people living in places like Northumbria and the Scottish Borders? Yes, but the Borders vote Tory so who cares? 😂
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 12 Jan 12:00
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wee eck, Sun 12 Jan 11:42
Tenruh, you`re one of these posters on here who would suck the hope out of everyone. I can`t remember the last time you made a positive point. All you do is repeat old grievances and fight old battles. You come across as a very bitter person and that`s a hard position to make any progress from. I find it very hard to believe that you actually want independence.
Comment from the article referring to the new SNP thinking for independence. Why did I not think of that ?
John Swinney is reported in the press today as “calling for NI-style trigger for an indyref”. Everyone, including John Swinney, knows perfectly well that this is just whistling in the dark to try to keep up his spirit and those of his deluded supporters. This is a reserved matter and every MP at Westminster, except the small number of SNP members, would vote against such a measure. Just more empty talk, John – we need some action instead.
Post Edited (Sun 12 Jan 12:02)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 12 Jan 12:02
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Tenruh, Sun 12 Jan 12:00
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wee eck, Sun 12 Jan 11:42
Tenruh, you`re one of these posters on here who would suck the hope out of everyone. I can`t remember the last time you made a positive point. All you do is repeat old grievances and fight old battles. You come across as a very bitter person and that`s a hard position to make any progress from. I find it very hard to believe that you actually want independence.
Comment below referring to the new SNP thinking for independence.
John Swinney is reported in the press today as “calling for NI-style trigger for an indyref”. Everyone, including John Swinney, knows perfectly well that this is just whistling in the dark to try to keep up his spirit and those of his deluded supporters. This is a reserved matter and every MP at Westminster, except the small number of SNP members, would vote against such a measure. Just more empty talk, John – we need some action instead.
What would your alternative be?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 12 Jan 12:18
His latest post just proves my point. He seems to be saying the SNP are powerless to change the rules but criticises them for doing nothing about it.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 12 Jan 12:39
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wee eck, Sun 12 Jan 12:18
His latest post just proves my point. He seems to be saying the SNP are powerless to change the rules but criticises them for doing nothing about it.
The SNP are a devolutionist party, and that`s why they`ll not do anything about independence .
How many man hours collectively has our SNP MP and MSPs had in the last 10 years to develop a plan for independence ? Tens of thousands possibly and what have they achieved nothing and you want me to come up with a plan..ha ha.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 12 Jan 12:58
Jake I don`t think the currency issue has anything to do with what actually physical currency we use. It`s all to do with how strong it will be how much interest the markets will charge the Scottish government to borrow. I suspect it will be very high.
If a independent Scotland joins the EU there will be no choice but to have a hard border , with the customs and passport checks that entails, with rUK.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 12 Jan 13:01
Still waiting for your suggestion on how the SNP moves towards something you accept isn`t possible, Tenruh.
I know it`s just been his birthday but I don`t think Jesus holds an SNP membership.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Sun 12 Jan 13:44
‘Meanwhile a Brighton Labour politician is arrested for child grooming, wonder how MSM will cover that?’
Well it’s in most of the papers, but the BBC and the Guardian are still just ignoring it.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 12 Jan 14:07
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jake89, Sun 12 Jan 13:01
Still waiting for your suggestion on how the SNP moves towards something you accept isn`t possible, Tenruh.
I know it`s just been his birthday but I don`t think Jesus holds an SNP membership.
Write to your local SNP MSP and ask them to clarify the independence process they used to get your vote that might work 😉
p.s. remember you don`t now have a SNP MP
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sun 12 Jan 15:26
Still waiting to hear yours
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 12 Jan 19:42
There isn`t a legitimate route, which is why it`s baffling that your criticising a party for not managing to find a solution.
The SNP may make little progress towards independence but they at least protect what we have already. Under Labour the plan is to devolve a series of powers to local councils. I can`t emphasise enough just how stupid that is with a population as small as Scotland.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Mon 13 Jan 06:10
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DBP, Sun 12 Jan 15:26
Still waiting to hear yours
Why should I have one? I`m not a paid politician, and the ones who are use the independence mantra to gather votes with it but fail to deliver. Don`t you feel you`ve been cheated.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Mon 13 Jan 06:20
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jake89, Sun 12 Jan 19:42
There isn`t a legitimate route, which is why it`s baffling that your criticising a party for not managing to find a solution.
The SNP may make little progress towards independence but they at least protect what we have already. Under Labour the plan is to devolve a series of powers to local councils. I can`t emphasise enough just how stupid that is with a population as small as Scotland.
What progress towards independence have the SNP made? Plenty of promises 6 weeks before an election, and then it`s all forgotten about. Alas the last election shows signs that the electorate have finally awakened.
What you want is Devolution not independence, how often do you hear the words to small to stupid ?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 13 Jan 07:43
I`ll break this down for you:
1. There is no legal way to hold a referendum on independence. You have accepted this.
2. What I have said is the SNP prevent the erosion of current powers, not that they will get Scotland it`s independence.
3. They cannot get Scotland it`s independence because of 1.
I`m not sure what of the above you fund hard to understand, or what better plan would come from your chums in Alba or Wings. As I`ve said many times before, it`s easy to snipe from the sidelines. Don`t get angry with the SNP, who in my opinion do a better job of representing Scotland than the unionist parties. Get angry with the utterly ridiculous position that Scotland cannot leave a supposed "union". Can you imagine the outcry if the EU had said the UK couldn`t vote to leave the EU?
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 13 Jan 15:59
Daniel Defoe (c.1660-1731): "The Scots will be allowed to send to Westminster a handful of men who will make no weight whatever. They will be allowed to sit there for form`s sake to be laughed at."
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Tue 14 Jan 22:15
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 12 Jan 11:42
Tenruh, you`re one of these posters on here who would suck the hope out of everyone. I can`t remember the last time you made a positive point. All you do is repeat old grievances and fight old battles. You come across as a very bitter person and that`s a hard position to make any progress from. I find it very hard to believe that you actually want independence.
Oh dear, here`s someone more bitter than me.
Its very hard to believe Sturgeon wanted independence?
https://robinmcalpine.org/when-does-post-sturgeon-begin/#
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 15 Jan 00:05
Do you get commission for all those `referrals`? You rarely seem to come up with an original idea yourself.
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