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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 29 Jan 12:08
A report by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation.
Child poverty rates are expected to fall in Scotland during the next four years from 23.7 to 21.8 % …. Still shockingly high for an oil and gas producing nation. I wonder why that is ?
Scotland is the only part of the UK where rates are expected to fall. I wonder why that is ?
England expected to rise from 30.8 to 31.5 %. I wonder why that is ?
Wales expected to rise from 32.3 to 34.4%… a horrendous figure. I wonder why?
I am sure our resident “ The Union at all cost” posters will enlighten us. Explain why it is so high and give us their ….reasoned….thoughts as to why Scotlands figures are substantially lower……..
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Wed 29 Jan 13:20
That’s a forecast which may not become a fact.
What is a fact that the SNP Scot Gov have overseen the worst drug and alcohol death rates in Europe..so away and gloat when you’ve got something to gloat aboot….
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 29 Jan 13:50
You`re the one who seems to be gloating.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 29 Jan 14:39
Quote:
Parboiled, Wed 29 Jan 13:20
That’s a forecast which may not become a fact.
What is a fact that the SNP Scot Gov have overseen the worst drug and alcohol death rates in Europe..so away and gloat when you’ve got something to gloat aboot….
These things cannot be resolved quickly, child poverty can (to a certain degree).
The rate in Scotland has been 20-25% for as long as I can remember. The main reason it`s remaining that way currently is additional child benefits that are paid in Scotland and not in England. While I don`t disagree with that, more needs done to properly eradicate poverty. No-one should be struggling to stay warm and fed in this country. It`s an absolute disgrace.
While rates are fairly standard across Scotland, parts of England have percentages in the 40s! That-is-disgusting.
I hope this remains in the minds of our MPs when they sit about Westminster blethering nonsense while people are suffering. We need change now, not in 5 years.
Same applies to drugs and alcohol but that will take decades to resolve, particularly in the west of Scotland where the health outcomes are appallingly bad.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 29 Jan 15:02
Hearing the drug figures are falling as well, seems they`re rising down South!🤔😲
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Wed 29 Jan 15:34
Do these rates measure relative or absolute poverty?
Are they measured against local or national benchmarks?
There will be a lot of factors at play - such as differences in labour markets, housing markets and demographics. The Child Payment will be one factor.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 29 Jan 16:03
Would you not expect a politically-neutral organisation like the Joseph Rowntree Foundation to measure them consistently?
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Wed 29 Jan 16:31
Quote:
McCaig`s Tower, Wed 29 Jan 15:34
Do these rates measure relative or absolute poverty?
Are they measured against local or national benchmarks?
There will be a lot of factors at play - such as differences in labour markets, housing markets and demographics. The Child Payment will be one factor.
Presumably they will have used the same criteria over the past two years, so there is a like for like comparison?
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 29 Jan 16:39
Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Wed 29 Jan 13:20
That’s a forecast which may not become a fact.
What is a fact that the SNP Scot Gov have overseen the worst drug and alcohol death rates in Europe..so away and gloat when you’ve got something to gloat aboot…
Typical response from someone who is incapable of giving Scotgov credit for anything. Someone who is actually happy to hear bad news about his adopted country, Drug deaths being one.
I don’t think it would matter who was in power in Holyrood we would still have the same issue with drugs. There is not too much Scotgov can do when English county line gangs are able to spread their deadly wares in our country so easily.
How long did it take our Governor General to approve a safe consumption room which opened only recently ? These have been proven to reduce drug deaths but WM blocked it for years as it was politically expedient for them to do so.
FWIW drug deaths are spiraling out of control in Englandshire as is knife crime. Both are broadly consistent in Scotland.
Getting back to child poverty rates. The UN themselves I believe said that Scotgov’s child payment was the single biggest factor anywhere in Europe for reducing poverty. I don’t think they have a political agenda.
Our resident “ Union at all cost” posters cannot for the life of them congratulate the nasty SNP for absolutely anything….whilst telling us that we are better together with that mob in WM who are basically destroying the very fabric of our society..
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Wed 29 Jan 16:50
Decimal points in a forecast - spurious precision. Pinch of salt required.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Wed 29 Jan 16:54
England and Wales significantly higher than Scotland…..No salt needed.
Do you think Scot Gov policies are helping to reduce child poverty and if so do you welcome it ? Simple question that even a rabid unionist should be able to answer.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Wed 29 Jan 17:43
‘Do you think Scot Gov policies are helping to reduce child poverty and if so do you welcome it ?’
The only honest answer is I’ve no idea. I don’t even know what the definition of child poverty is. I’m sure it’s not something you can precisely measure though.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 29 Jan 17:50
That`s why politically-neutral organisations like the Joseph Rowntree Foundation, a charity which `works to speed up and support the transition to a future free from poverty, in which people and planet can flourish` are important.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 29 Jan 17:58
Quote:
Tad Allagash, Wed 29 Jan 17:43
‘Do you think Scot Gov policies are helping to reduce child poverty and if so do you welcome it ?’
The only honest answer is I’ve no idea. I don’t even know what the definition of child poverty is. I’m sure it’s not something you can precisely measure though.
Proportion of children living in households with equivalised incomes below 60% of the median (middle) UK income in the current year.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Wed 29 Jan 18:06
Heard a stat today that the uk is now poorer than the poorest state of USA (Mississippi)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 29 Jan 18:31
If true then most of Europe is also poorer
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 29 Jan 18:40
Quote:
DBP, Wed 29 Jan 18:06
Heard a stat today that the uk is now poorer than the poorest state of USA (Mississippi)
They post this tripe all the time. It`s not true.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 29 Jan 19:50
C4 News is about to show a report on UK child poverty.
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Topic Originator: Tad Allagash
Date: Wed 29 Jan 19:59
‘Proportion of children living in households with equivalised incomes below 60% of the median (middle) UK income in the current year.’
Cheers Jake. So it’s really an attempt to measure income inequality and not a measure of poverty at all.
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Topic Originator: McCaig`s Tower
Date: Wed 29 Jan 20:32
Yes, the JRF will be politically neutral and I would expect its figures to be consistent from year to year. I would not expect any conclusions to be drawn to be similarly neutral (!).
As Jake and Tad have said, it is a relative measure (so doubling net incomes across the board would leave relative poverty unchanged but not absolute poverty). Which begs the question - which would you rather reduce?
(There are parallels in football - a few weeks ago Hibs and Hearts were down at the bottom of their division, but it seemed that some Hibs fans were more concerned about being above Hearts than being higher up the league table).
Now the Child Payment will help to reduce child poverty on both measures. Well done the SG. But there will be other factors. Differences in housing costs. a propensity to have larger families for example. I haven`t read the report, but presumably others have?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 29 Jan 20:56
Well a lady from the JRF said on C4 that the Scottish child payment made a difference and so would the abolition of the two-child benefit cap. She stressed that they weren`t the full solution though. Why should we doubt her?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 29 Jan 21:03
Quote:
Tad Allagash, Wed 29 Jan 19:59
‘Proportion of children living in households with equivalised incomes below 60% of the median (middle) UK income in the current year.’
Cheers Jake. So it’s really an attempt to measure income inequality and not a measure of poverty at all.
Yes and no. That`s how they measure relative poverty. It`s a fairly straightforward and easy to measure. However, it doesn`t give a full picture. They also look at your ability to afford necessities and housing costs, which obviously vary. However, as with all measures, I`d take it with a pinch of salt. Those carrying out the research will never know the full details of every person`s circumstances.
When I first graduated I was probably considered in poverty as I was working a minimum wage job and paying a sizeable mortgage. I`m astonished I got by (no car, no holidays abroad, no Sky/Virgin etc) back then but at no point did I feel like I was living in poverty. I could afford to heat the flat and make cheap dinners. I suspect I didn`t feel too impoverished as I`d spent the previous 4 years living in manky student flats and living off ramen noodles! I dread to think how people nowadays on minimum wage survive. Housing costs alone would eat up your whole wage.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 29 Jan 21:04
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 29 Jan 20:56
Well a lady from the JRF said on C4 that the Scottish child payment made a difference and so would the abolition of the two-child benefit cap. She stressed that they weren`t the full solution though. Why should we doubt her?
She`s right. Both have helped maintain the current levels, but really change is needed. No child should be brought up in poverty in 2025.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 30 Jan 07:50
Quote:
Parboiled, Wed 29 Jan 13:20
That’s a forecast which may not become a fact.
What is a fact that the SNP Scot Gov have overseen the worst drug and alcohol death rates in Europe..so away and gloat when you’ve got something to gloat aboot….
Why are you gloating about that?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Thu 30 Jan 08:54
Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 30 Jan 07:50
Quote:
Parboiled, Wed 29 Jan 13:20
That’s a forecast which may not become a fact.
What is a fact that the SNP Scot Gov have overseen the worst drug and alcohol death rates in Europe..so away and gloat when you’ve got something to gloat aboot….
Why are you gloating about that?
Because he is a BritNat who wants to see his adoptive country fail at every level and revels in bad news( Just like the media ) so that it can be completely subsumed into greater Englandshire.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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