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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 16 Apr 10:51
According to the supreme court....
The term "woman" and "sex" in the 2010 equality act refers to biological women and biological sex.
Much like our American cousins we have come to the conclusion that sex is binary.
They found the Scottish government was wrong.
Well done for Women Scotland...a long battle but common sense is becoming fashionable again.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvgq9ejql39t
Post Edited (Wed 16 Apr 10:53)
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Wed 16 Apr 11:14
Holyrood in recess, do us a favour and make it permanent….
NHS Fife “considering” the ruling. How about considering their position and resigning? But only after reinstating nurse Peggie and telling the chap who got her suspended to get changed and apply his lippy in the men’s room?
Post Edited (Wed 16 Apr 12:17)
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 16 Apr 13:22
Hopefully an end to this utter madness.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 16 Apr 17:01
Sex has always been binary - male or female. You`re thinking of gender. The court has essentially said that only people born female can be considered women (so sex = gender).
I`m pretty ignorant on this stuff so does this also mean male = man?
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 16 Apr 18:18
Quote:
Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 16 Apr 17:01
Sex has always been binary - male or female. You`re thinking of gender.
Nah that`s just silly bugger word games jake. Gender always was the same as sex until it was highjacked to mean something ethereal that could not be measured.
Godless people trying to create a new name for the soul.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 16 Apr 18:45
Some of my female friends felt concerned that someone who was born a man could appear in the ladies toilets if they had now transitioned.
Given the ruling does that mean someone who was born a female but who has transitioned into male should go to the ladies toilets?
Despite all the fist pumping I`m not sure this moves us forward much. I suspect I`ll remain confused but just in a different box of the 4 box matrix.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 16 Apr 18:58
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Wed 16 Apr 18:18
Quote:
Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 16 Apr 17:01
Sex has always been binary - male or female. You`re thinking of gender.
Nah that`s just silly bugger word games jake. Gender always was the same as sex until it was highjacked to mean something ethereal that could not be measured.
Godless people trying to create a new name for the soul.
Yes and no. Sex isn`t gender and gender isn`t sex but you`re right that until relatively recently it was assumed, as remains the case for probably 99.99% of people, that a male is a boy/man and a female is a girl/woman.
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Topic Originator: Aaron Labonte
Date: Wed 16 Apr 21:18
Anyone seen Wee Eck?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 16 Apr 21:27
Yeah, I`m here. What`s up?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Wed 16 Apr 23:56
Quote:
jake89, Wed 16 Apr 18:58
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Wed 16 Apr 18:18
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 16 Apr 17:01
Sex has always been binary - male or female. You`re thinking of gender.
Nah that`s just silly bugger word games jake. Gender always was the same as sex until it was highjacked to mean something ethereal that could not be measured.
Godless people trying to create a new name for the soul.
Yes and no. Sex isn`t gender and gender isn`t sex but you`re right that until relatively recently it was assumed, as remains the case for probably 99.99% of people, that a male is a boy/man and a female is a girl/woman.
So why did the SNP government go down this path ? It wasn`t in any of their manifestos, but Independence was?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 17 Apr 00:21
Probably to curry favour with the Greens and because it was a personal mission of a certain ex-FM.
Being honest, I`m not really clear how the decision today really resolves the issue of trying to incorporate multiple genders into a predominantly binary world. We now know that biological sex determines whether you`re a man or a woman, but does this mean, for example, a man living their life as a woman must use male facilities? Currently the decision on placing in a male or female prison is determined by the SPS doing an assessment (and not a decision by the FM as the media previously made out!). Will this now change and no assessment will occur? Doesn`t this raise a risk of a post-op trans woman being a potential target in a male prison?
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 17 Apr 06:08
Quote:
jake89, Thu 17 Apr 00:21
Probably to curry favour with the Greens and because it was a personal mission of a certain ex-FM.
Being honest, I`m not really clear how the decision today really resolves the issue of trying to incorporate multiple genders into a predominantly binary world. We now know that biological sex determines whether you`re a man or a woman, but does this mean, for example, a man living their life as a woman must use male facilities? Currently the decision on placing in a male or female prison is determined by the SPS doing an assessment (and not a decision by the FM as the media previously made out!). Will this now change and no assessment will occur? Doesn`t this raise a risk of a post-op trans woman being a potential target in a male prison?
To be honest, I`ve kept away from this subject because it`s been hard for me to understand what`s been going on.
My main gripe has been the abandonment of independence while this sort of policy has been going on.
Once again, the costs that this has cost along with the failed bottle bank project will horrify most folk.
Would think Fife NHS will pull the plug on their case......
We did this for you Beth....
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Topic Originator: Aaron Labonte
Date: Thu 17 Apr 08:05
Just surprised you didn’t reply to Tenruh with some whataboutery as soon as he posted, eck.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 17 Apr 08:21
Sorry, but I tend to ignore Tenruh`s posts now and this isn`t a subject I have strong opinions about anyway. From what I can gather the ruling seems to have raised more questions than it has answered.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Thu 17 Apr 11:04
There are nearly as many F2M transations now as there are M2F, so it`ll be interesting to see how folk respond when post-op trans men start trying to access women`s toilets like they are supposed to.
Or more masculine-looking cis women for that matter.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 17 Apr 11:30
That`s a good point Wotsit.
I think really it`s a pity it had to come to this. Five judges having to produce a mountain of paperwork to define what a woman is does seem a bit ridiculous. There did have to be a legal definition for single sex only places and for sports but people should always be treated with dignity and respect and allowances when possible should be made but it does have to take into consideration all reasonable viewpoints.
Ultimately I hope this starts to put this issue to bed as I`m fed up with far right nut jobs using this as a wedge issue. There are far more pressing concerns facing society than what the less than fraction of a percent of the population who identify as trans pose.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 17 Apr 11:59
Bigots and c**ts will find another group to target and harass now. Maybe it`s time for me and my fellow gingers to get the spotlight again.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Thu 17 Apr 12:19
You`re more of a hobknob than a ginger nut
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Thu 17 Apr 12:29
How holier than thou TOWK…all those women campaigners far right nut jobs?
A long serving female nurse suspended because she objects to the presence of male in a female changing room is a right wing nutter?
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 17 Apr 12:37
Quote:
Parboiled, Thu 17 Apr 12:19
You`re more of a hobknob than a ginger nut
It`s Hobnob, but good try buddy.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Thu 17 Apr 12:54
I was just the other day recalling singing along to that great 80`s/90`s chant about a certain hair colour being unacceptable.
Better, happier times.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 17 Apr 13:03
That`s why it`s called a wedge issue Parboiled.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Thu 17 Apr 13:39
Sadly uk govt 1 Scots government 0 and rightly so. Perhaps the Scots now need to focus on important things like
Scot health - appalling
Scots violence - not good
Scots religious bigotry - appalling
Scots education - too complex and awful.
Scots over indulgent MPs - awful
Post Edited (Thu 17 Apr 13:39)
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Thu 17 Apr 14:35
Quote:
thebear, Thu 17 Apr 13:39
Sadly uk govt 1 Scots government 0 and rightly so. Perhaps the Scots now need to focus on important things like
Scot health - appalling
Scots violence - not good
Scots religious bigotry - appalling
Scots education - too complex and awful.
Scots over indulgent MPs - awful
INDEPENDENCE- IGNORED
Other than 6 weeks before an election
Post Edited (Thu 17 Apr 14:36)
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Thu 17 Apr 14:59
No Andrew it’s definitely knob..
Anyhoo, Scotch politicians are far from being the only gender bampots - David Lammy said men could grow a cervix. Mind you on Mastermind he said Marie Antoinette won the Nobel prize for physics…
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 17 Apr 15:23
It`s heart-warming to see a sexist, homophobic misogynist joining the lesbian community in celebrating this decision. Strange bedfellows (is that expression appropriate?) indeed.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Thu 17 Apr 16:29
A fellow cannae be a lesbian…in or oot of the bed. Do keep up!
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Thu 17 Apr 16:36
No, but he can be a hypocrite.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 17 Apr 21:04
Quote:
thebear, Thu 17 Apr 13:39
Sadly uk govt 1 Scots government 0 and rightly so. Perhaps the Scots now need to focus on important things like
Scot health - appalling
Scots violence - not good
Scots religious bigotry - appalling
Scots education - too complex and awful.
Scots over indulgent MPs - awful
Hate to be the fact checker but...
Health - better in Scotland
Violence - worse in England (and Wales)
Bigotry - worse in England (using religious hate crime as a measure)
Education - Depends which subjects you look at but I`d suggest Curriculum for Excellence is ***** and needs dropped.
Over indulgent MPs - Highest expenses claimant is English and 8 out of the top 10 biggest spenders are English.
So maybe give you 1 out of 5 there.
As has been highlighted, although it`s good to confirm that a biological sex determines if you`re a man or a woman, this simply raises further questions. Of course, it`s a nice distraction from things like economic failure, rising child poverty and public unrest.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 18 Apr 07:21
Are any of you dog owners?
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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