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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 18 Jun 21:32
I see the BBC is reporting another 11 Palestinian people have been murdered today by Israeli forces who opened fire on the crowds of people queuing for aid.
Absolutely appalling actions, there is no humanity there
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 18 Jun 21:33
And our genocide apologist pig government looking to back them up, utterly disgraceful.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 18 Jun 21:39
Reports are these are fake aid stations set up by the Israelis as well. Absolutely vile that they are getting away with this and the US and UK are actively backing them.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 19 Jun 07:13
Raffi Berg, there`s your bbc right there.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Fri 20 Jun 22:26
Palestinian Action to be branded as a terrorist organisation for breaking into RAF Brize Norton and spraying planes with red paint. Couldn’t make it up.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 21 Jun 00:11
Quote:
Dave_1885, Fri 20 Jun 22:26
Palestinian Action to be branded as a terrorist organisation for breaking into RAF Brize Norton and spraying planes with red paint. Couldn’t make it up.
Starmer quick to condemn a wee bit of justified non-harmful vandalism, and brand the group as terrorists but strangely silent when it comes to genocide, bombing refugee camps, indiscriminently firing into crowds of starving people queuing for aid. Funny that.
The people need to start making our local politicians know how they feel. If they are making decisions that lead to the deaths of millions, then they should be held accountable for those actions. They should be looking over their shoulders
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 21 Jun 07:14
Do not believe what your mainstream media is telling you.
I have been checking out BBC, ITV, Channel 4, GB News, Times Radio, Spectator TV, etc, to get a taste of what you are being told up there. And, in the main, it is distorted fiction. According to these sources, Israel is winning hands down and Iran is set for a civil war and regime change. The son of the Shah will be King of Iran in a matter of days.
Reality check. Iran is winning. Approximately 30% of Tel Aviv looks like Gaza. Its financial district is all but destroyed. Huge chunks of the city are flattened. Two of the nation`s three ports are completely out of action. Much of Ben Gurion Airport is said to be in ruins. Do not believe the stories that the Israeli deaths are in the tens. They have to be in the high hundreds or thousands, judging by the horrific footage of the hypersonic and ballistic missiles sweeping into Tel Aviv and Haifa.
The British media reports that Israel rules the skies over Iran. If so, how come the Iranians have launched 18 major missile attacks so far? And do you really think Israel can patrol all the skies of Iran?
Look at the map... superimpose Iran over Europe placing its NW corner on the border of Scotland, and the SE corner is comfortably into Greece. It is a huge country. In contrast, superimpose Israel over the UK, placing its NE corner over John O`Groats and its SW tip meets Stranraer! Iran has a population of 92 million. Israel has 9 million. The numbers just don`t make for an even fight.
And let`s not ignore the advanced technology being employed by Iran: it is a completely different level to that being supplied to Israel by the West.
So they bring in the Americans... God help us if Trump falls for it. We are on the edge of the precipice. Ahead lies a World War, a nuclear conflict, economic destruction, and an end to all that we have held dear.
Before it is too late, the Chinese should be brought in to mediate a peace deal.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 21 Jun 07:52
Israel getting what it deserves.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 21 Jun 09:15
Well, let`s hope most of that is true OzPar. Out of interest, what sources do you use. I was tending to use BBC but it is very biased, it`s anti-Scottish, pro-monarchy, and extremely pro-Israel, to the point of propaganda now.
I just need a news site that just tells me the facts, there doesn`t seem to be many that do that without putting their own angle on it
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 21 Jun 09:27
Oz I`m sorry but not surprised that it is your sources that are spinning you a fiction. No media here is reporting that the son of the Shah is will be back in power in a matter of days and every mainstream (i.e verifiable) source I`ve consumed has all had analysis that says regime change will not be likely and certainly not imminent. I mean how could it be? In Iran they have secret police using surveillance and covert measures to make sure women aren`t breaking any religious laws with how the dress but can`t detects the scores of Mossad squads setting up drones to take out their air defences. That shows you where the priority of the Iranian regimes lies which is keeping its foot down on the people it rules over.
A third of Tel Aviv is not in ruins and Israeli deaths are not, thankfully, in the hundreds. I say thankfully because, guess what, I`m also hoping the Iranian death toll is as low as it possibly can be as well.
See here is where some people`s thinking starts to fail the logic test. If 30% the Israeli capital, home to some half million people, was now rubble and ruins with a casualty list to match such destruction wouldn`t that be all over Western (whatever `The West" is these days) media? I mean I hear all the time that Israelis (see Jews) control the media so why wouldn`t American prime time news be showing this carnage? Israelis being pulled out injured or dead from dusty, collapsed buildings would really ramp up the pressure on the Trump administration to step in. Iran bombed a hospital the other day and thankfully nobody died as it had been evacuated prior but if they are lying about the death tolls why not just say that X number died in that hospital? Why would they make it better instead of worse when the worst it gets the more pressure American internal politics puts on Trump to intervene?
How can Iran still be launching missiles if Israel controls the skies you ask? Well you answered that yourself. Iran is indeed a big country and the Israeli air force can`t be everywhere at once. It can though go where it wants, at least in the western half of Iran. That`s because the air defences have already been destroyed or because they are Russian they just aren`t very good and can`t detect the Israeli F-35s. They have air superiority but not air supremacy. In military terms the difference between the two can be significant. Even with air supremacy though it`s hard to stop missile launches. Think back to WW2 and the V2 campaign against London or even the first Gulf War and Iraq firing off Scuds.
Trump desperately wants Iran to take the diplomatic off ramp being afforded to them by his self imposed two week deadline. If it wasn`t such a momentous decision and I was the Ayatollah I`d be be tempted to call Trump`s bluff as I don`t think in two weeks time he`ll be inclined to strike unless Israel is on the brink of a strategic defeat. Iran says it won`t negotiate while it`s under attack and I wonder how much longer Israel can sustain this
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 21 Jun 09:37
Continued:
Iran says it won`t negotiate while it`s under attack and I wonder how much longer Israel can sustain this offensive which is over a thousand miles from it`s border. It could be that by the time Trump`s deadline comes about both sides could be ready to sit down, albeit through third parties.
Now for the hard of thinking on here just because my fourth rate, half baked thoughts on this matter differ significantly from Oz`s does not mean I am supportive of their actions in Gaza which I find to be largely reprehensible and will ultimately be counter productive.
I afford Oz the respect to assume that just because his stance is anti Israeli that he is not an anti Semite but I`ve no doubt that is not the same for all on here as proven by the fact that the last thread was deleted.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 21 Jun 09:39
A well reasoned and thoughtful post TOWK. Thanks
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 21 Jun 10:23
Oz, those twitter clips don`t show 30% of Tel Aviv destroyed. They are short clips taken at close range and probably edited so that you don`t see when the clip start or ends as the full footage would show the buildings all around still intact and only suffering superficial damage. Missiles are undoubtedly hitting Tel Aviv and other places in Israel but the damage and death toll is currently and mercifully limited though obviously that still going to be devastating for those directly affected.
Iran still does have , reportedly, a large stash of hypersonic missiles which it could fully deploy with severe effect, but they will be loathe to use them up as that`s their last card to play. So I do think it could get a lot worse for Israel but for that to happen things would have to get a lot worse for Iran so let`s hope that doesn`t transpire.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 21 Jun 10:56
Heavens above! You are incorrigible, TOWK. You asked for evidence and I gave it, but now you say it is not enough. I wonder if I want to engage with you any further. It is frustrating and becoming increasingly pointless.
And as to your comment about hypersonic missiles being Iran`s last card, yet again, you are misinformed.
As I have said several times before, in the case of further escalation on the part of Israel and the US, Iran has the option to close the Strait of Hormuz, attack and likely destroy US military bases in the region, as well as oil and gas facilities in neighbouring countries.
Meanwhile, don`t dismiss the possibility of an Israeli false flag event to encourage the US into action.
There are suggestions among experienced analysts that the elderly aircraft carrier, the USS Nimitz, could be a vulnerable target. The vessel is currently being deployed to the area from Singapore. It is 48 years old and scheduled to be decommissioned next year. The USS Nimitz carries a crew of about 3,000.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 21 Jun 11:26
Engage or not, matters little to me but I will continue to call out incorrect information/propaganda whenever I see it. You stated that 30% of Tel Aviv had been turned to rubble. Your sources turned out to be short clips from twitter, none of which showed a city one third destroyed. I mean just think about it and I`m just repeating myself here.l, Tel Aviv is a city of half a million, little less than Edinburgh. You aren`t destroying 30% of it and keeping it under wraps. Even if it was 10% the devastation would be immense.
How are they going to destroy US bases in the region Oz? With hypersonic missiles that`s what. Their Shad drones aren`t going to manage it. That`s why when they get deployed against any target its from a regime looking at the clock and seeing it`s five minutes to midnight because the day after they attack US bases or, god forbid a US carrier, Iran`s regime ceases to exist.
Actually I think I will disengage from this for the time being until other events transpire worth commenting on.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 21 Jun 16:08
Well events may now be transpiring quicker than I thought. B2 stealth bombers have been tracked leaving their Missouri base for destination unknown and then requiring prompt refuelling. Experts say this indicates they are carrying a heavy payload and couldn`t be burdened with a full fuel tank until airborne.
I also noted that earlier Tulsi Gabbard, the controversial IS director of intelligence had backed down and changed her opinion that Iran could have a nuclear bomb in weeks. This is an extraordinary change of tune from her after testifying only months ago, in front of Congress, that Iran wasn`t actively pursuing a nuclear weapon. Trump had rebuked her at the start of the week saying he didn`t care what she thought. On the face of it, it looks as if she can see the way the wind is blowing and has decided to be on the right side of the decision as far as Trump is concerned.
Ominous signs that things are about to escalate massively or is this just Trump ramping up the pressure and taking things to the very brink in order to force the Iranians to the bargaining table? The Art of the Deal played out on a geopolitical scale.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Sat 21 Jun 16:37
The BBC “anti Scottish”…give us examples do. Pro Israel? eh? They have repeatedly had to apologise for being anything but!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 21 Jun 20:04
Quote:
Parboiled, Sat 21 Jun 16:37
The BBC “anti Scottish”…give us examples do. Pro Israel? eh? They have repeatedly had to apologise for being anything but!
Last week the BBC reported that John Swinney was aware of Alexander Dennis leaving Scotland with the inference he`d done nothing. This obviously was far from the truth but the BBC headline suggested otherwise.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 22 Jun 00:00
Remember: This was never about Iran’s nuclear capability, it was always about regime change.
It’s the fools elsewhere who have got hold of the nuclear buttons today that we should all worry about. We stand on the edge of a precipice.
Post Edited (Sun 22 Jun 00:15)
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Sun 22 Jun 00:23
Never forget Iraq 🇮🇶 had weapons of mass destruction.
Post Edited (Sun 22 Jun 00:24)
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 22 Jun 01:09
The Americans have officially joined the war bombing three Irani nuclear sites.
God help us all.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sun 22 Jun 07:02
Took, we`ve been hearing Iran are weeks away from nuclear weapons since the 80`s.
I guess if you have a hard on for Israel you`ll see what you want to through the kids burning bodies.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sun 22 Jun 08:44
"The Americans have officially joined the war bombing three Irani nuclear sites.
God help us all."
Indeed.
Submarine launched cruise missiles - whatever the rights and wrongs of the conflict Iran is riding the whirlwind.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 22 Jun 10:29
Two B2 bombers were used. Each can carry two of the 30,000 Ilbs bunker busting munitions so I`d imagine that`s four of them dropped on the underground facility at Fordo while the thirty sub launched cruise missiles being used on the other two targets though also possibly to soften up the ground prior to the bunker busters making contact with earth.
How will the Iranians respond? Well they maybe won`t other than to continue their missile barrage against Israel. Any direct action against US assets in the region and they`ll face retaliatory strikes far greater than what happened last night. They could shut down the Strait of Hormuz where a whopping 20% of the globes oil supply passes but when those tankers pass through the gulf the majority of them no longer head west they instead turn east to Asia. I mean oil prices would go through the roof but in China there could actually be an oil shortages. Coincidentally the US plan for any conventional military confrontation with China is to use its navy to blockade oil travelling to China from west of India. I`d imagine and hope that China will use whatever influence it has over the Iranian regime to urge it to keep this waterway open.
It seems strange that after twenty five years the Iranian nuclear question has now, seemingly, been decisively answered but history doesn`t end and more questions have arisen waiting to be settled.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sun 22 Jun 12:14
Trump and the whole US administration are lunatics. Trump
rebuked Zelenski about starting WWIII and now look what the citrus skinned psychopath has done.
The British poodles will no doubt get us involved too. More death more destruction more refugees and more terrorism. Madness.
If only Scotland was an independent country as we would absolutely nothing to do with this.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sun 22 Jun 12:18
Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Sat 21 Jun 16:37
The BBC “anti Scottish”…give us examples do. Pro Israel? eh? They have repeatedly had to apologise for being anything but!
Just saw this post. Anyone who is remotely intelligent can see on an almost daily basis the bias from BBC with regards to Scottish politics. They don’t even try to hide it anymore.
Two different subjects on same thread.
I think the situation in Iraq will take precedence.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 22 Jun 12:39
Starmer the lap dog has already responded to the whistle by telling Iran to return to the table. No telling of Trump and Benjo to stop bombing them though…….embarrassing stuff
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 22 Jun 13:54
In order to get elected, @BarackObama will start a war with Iran.
- Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 29, 2011
Now that Obama’s poll numbers are in tailspin – watch for him to launch a strike in Libya or Iran. He is desperate.
- Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 9, 2012
Be prepared, there is a small chance that our horrendous leadership could unknowingly lead us into World War III.
- Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 31, 2013
I predict that President Obama will at some point attack Iran in order to save face!
- Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump), September 16, 2013
Remember that I predicted a long time ago that President Obama will attack Iran because of his inability to negotiate properly-not skilled!
- Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 11, 2013
Looking forward to seeing Bibi Netanyahu on Friday, and even more forward to achieving Peace in the Middle East! DJT
- Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 23, 2024
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 22 Jun 14:04
Trump`s found God now as well! Nauseating stuff at the end of his speech. I`m surprised he was prepared to share credit with Him.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 22 Jun 14:21
Dave, Starmer isn`t a lapdog. This isn`t a a university first year debating club that he`s taking part in. He has to tread a fine a line because we still need American support in Europe. If he wants to persuade Trump to continue to, however limited, support our Ukrainian allies then he can`t be lunging in two footed with criticism. He has to hedge his bets and watch his words.
The tone of Trump`s and Hegsworth`s boasting and hyperbole makes for uncomfortable listening but then so to was listening to the Iranian foreign minister (I think that`s his position) speaking a short while ago in Istanbul. He spoke of America and Israel breaking international law with their actions. No doubt but no more than Russia has with their illegal invasion of Ukraine. Worth remembering that Ukrainian civilians and soldiers have died in their hundreds, if not thousands, due to Iranian supplied drones. Border integrity and international law didn`t seem to mean much to them when it was their strategic partner being the aggressor.
Long term there can only be a diplomatic solution to this or this will just be rinse and repeat for years to come. Unfortunately as it stands just now I doubt Trump and his cohorts have the nous to pull that off.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Sun 22 Jun 14:40
TOWK, why do you defend Ukrainian politicians who make speeches promising retribution for their invaders yet criticise Iranian ones for doing the same?
How many countries in the region have the US, or its attack dog, bombed now? How many civilians have they killed or maimed?
How sure are you that Iran are the bad guys here?
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 22 Jun 14:56
I don`t remember defending Ukrainian politicians recently (certainly not in this thread?) but I was criticising the hiporacy of the Iranians, perhaps quite rightfully, being embittered about the actions of Israel and America breaking international law while at the same time being wholly supportive and complicit in Russia doing exactly the same to another sovereign nation.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 22 Jun 17:22
Shenanigans already brewing in the Strait of Hormuz as GPS in the area goes haywire.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 23 Jun 11:22
Israel has just targeted Shahid Beheshti University in Tehran with huge explosives. Many were reported to be dead.
Be patient, Iran is coming for these swine.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Mon 23 Jun 13:44
Quote:
OzPar, Mon 23 Jun 11:22
Israel has just targeted Shahid Beheshti University in Tehran with huge explosives. Many were reported to be dead.
Be patient, Iran is coming for these swine.
Iran now the “good guys” - or at least the better of the bad guys ?
Nobody in white hats like the Hollywood cowboy films as far as that region is concerned.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 23 Jun 14:50
There are no good guys in any of this. People trying to live normal lives are being killed so that some rich/powerful people can act all Billy Bigbaws. Absolutely pathetic waste of life. Even more pathetic is how this country immediately steps in.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Mon 23 Jun 17:28
Iran citing breach of International Law in response to American action is a bit rich considering their total lack of similar behaviour when the regime “allowed” the US embassy in Teheran to be overrun and staff held as hostages.
Let him without sin etc., etc.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 23 Jun 17:33
I`m not sure they`ve read that particular book vee!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 23 Jun 17:44
Quote:
ipswichpar, Mon 23 Jun 17:33
I`m not sure they`ve read that particular book vee!
Genuine chuckle.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 23 Jun 18:41
So the President that vowed to bring peace to the Middle East has now seen the violence increase and brought attacks upon his own air bases due to his actions.
Not long now till they take out the Ayatollah and push for another regime change in another country they have no control over.
Or just drop off a nuke on Tehran. You know, those bombs that Iran aren’t allowed……
But wait for it “Iran brought this upon themselves” will be the claim 😂
Post Edited (Mon 23 Jun 18:42)
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Mon 23 Jun 19:24
Quote:
ipswichpar, Mon 23 Jun 17:33
I`m not sure they`ve read that particular book vee!
They’ll have read it but don’t like the bit about no stoning, that’s part of their punishment under the disguise of religious practices 🙄
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Tue 24 Jun 12:15
Can’t do links so if someone could fix this fir me please :-)
https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/wait-why-is-israel-allowed-to-have-nukes
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sat 28 Jun 10:01
Reports every day now of 20 to 50 people being killed waiting for food. They have normalised genocide, easy to see now how the Nazi`s managed it.
"Only following orders", is a line I`ve heard somewhere before
"Haaretz, Israel`s longest running newspaper and its paper of record, reported that commanders had ordered troops to shoot at crowds to drive them away, even though it was clear they posed no threat.
According to Gaza`s Health Ministry, 549 people have been killed and more than 4000 wounded near aid centres and in areas where people were waiting for UN food trucks since May 27, when the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) started operating."
"The number of fatalities near food distribution centres has risen sharply in recent weeks. According to Gaza`s Health Ministry, 57 people were killed on June 11, 59 on June 17 and around 50 on June 24.
The UN and other humanitarian agencies have refused to take part in the new system. Thameen Al-Keetan, the UN`s human rights office spokesperson, said on Tuesday that "the weaponisation of food for civilians" constitutes a war crime.
In the last 24 hours, Israeli forces killed at least 72 people in the Gaza Strip. Since October 7, 2023, a total of 56,331 Palestinians have been killed."
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 28 Jun 14:58
They are absolute monsters and to think our UK gov supports them and arms them is horrific.
There cannot be any sane person that supports Israel and the actions they are conducting in Gaza.
How the world sits by and allow as this slaughter to continue is utterly baffling, sickening.
What an opportunity we missed in 2014.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 28 Jun 22:49
Please, please, please listen to this speech in full...
https://youtu.be/StKivF23Rms
And did anyone notice the comment by Smotrich, the Israeli finance minister, that the 1.8 million Gazans should be encouraged to emigrate from the Gaza Strip?
Hang on a minute... the population of Gaza was widely stated as 2.2 million. Is this Israel admitting that the number of individuals killed in Gaza, mostly hidden forever under the rubble, is 400,000?
We are witnessing a holocaust.
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Sun 29 Jun 21:41
Wonder if the missiles they have been lobbing at Gaza still contain guidance chips made by Raytheon?
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 30 Jun 18:59
Israeli attack on Gaza cafe kills another 20……
Meanwhile, in the UK, rappers are being charged with sticking up for Gazans at Glastonbury…….
It’s just staggering.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Mon 30 Jun 21:56
Quote:
Dave_1885, Mon 30 Jun 18:59
Israeli attack on Gaza cafe kills another 20……
Meanwhile, in the UK, rappers are being charged with sticking up for Gazans at Glastonbury…….
It’s just staggering.
It`s actually beyond belief that the UK Prime Minister is saying nothing about the Israeli army carrying out genocide on innocent civilians, hearing about them murdering dozens of starving people every day, but is quick to condemn any musicians who point out these war criminals. Things need to change, people need to start speaking up. The politicians need to be given the message that they will be held to account for their actions in assisting the genocide
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 2 Jul 09:12
Reports ciming in Israel are spiking aid packages with drugs now.
deplorable
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 13 Jul 19:06
6 more children killed waiting for aid due to an Israeli “error” - absolute scum
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Sun 13 Jul 19:55
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sun 13 Jul 19:06
6 more children killed waiting for aid due to an Israeli “error” - absolute scum
It`s disgusting, reports on Channel 4 news tonight, that doctors in Gaza (what`s left of them) are increasingly treating young boys who have been shot in the testicles, seems like this is a new deliberate tactic.
This is sport to them, they are inhuman
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Mon 14 Jul 09:11
The Palestinian Authority newspaper Al-Hayat Al-Jadida has accused Hamas of being responsible for the shootings near aid centres.
<https://www.memri.org/reports/palestinian-authority-daily-hamas-murdering-civilians-who-come-gaza-aid-distribution-centers#_edn1>
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 14 Jul 10:12
The Palestinian Authority newspaper Al-Hayat Al-Jadida has accused Hamas of being responsible for the shootings near aid centres.
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To use your term: Bull crap! Mossad runs the Palestinian Authority.
Shame on you!
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Mon 14 Jul 10:24
Quote:
OzPar, Mon 14 Jul 10:12
The Palestinian Authority newspaper Al-Hayat Al-Jadida has accused Hamas of being responsible for the shootings near aid centres.
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To use your term: Bull crap! Mossad runs the Palestinian Authority.
Shame on you!
🤣😂🤣😂🤣
You are totally deluded.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 14 Jul 13:55
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sadindiefreak, Mon 14 Jul 09:11
The Palestinian Authority newspaper Al-Hayat Al-Jadida has accused Hamas of being responsible for the shootings near aid centres.
<https://www.memri.org/reports/palestinian-authority-daily-hamas-murdering-civilians-who-come-gaza-aid-distribution-centers#_edn1>
And here comes the apologist.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Mon 14 Jul 14:18
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Dandy Warhol, Mon 14 Jul 13:55
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sadindiefreak, Mon 14 Jul 09:11
The Palestinian Authority newspaper Al-Hayat Al-Jadida has accused Hamas of being responsible for the shootings near aid centres.
<https://www.memri.org/reports/palestinian-authority-daily-hamas-murdering-civilians-who-come-gaza-aid-distribution-centers#_edn1>
And here comes the apologist.
I`m simply sharing what the Fatah run Palestinian Authority has reported. Are the Palestinians in the West Bank also apologists for Israel?
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Mon 14 Jul 15:07
So the Israeli government is slightly below Hamas with regard to care for innocent lives, and folk consider that acceptable?
"We`re only slightly more evil than Hamas" isn`t a brag.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Mon 14 Jul 15:16
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Wotsit, Mon 14 Jul 15:07
So the Israeli government is slightly below Hamas with regard to care for innocent lives, and folk consider that acceptable?
"We`re only slightly more evil than Hamas" isn`t a brag.
This particular thread is about innocent Palestinians being killed at aid centres.
The claim is that it`s Israel doing the killing. The report from the Palestinian Authority is accusing Hamas.
I absolutely admit Israel are guilty of war crimes and those responsible should face justice. We should not however be blaming them for killings carried out by Hamas.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 14 Jul 17:42
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sadindiefreak, Mon 14 Jul 15:16
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Wotsit, Mon 14 Jul 15:07
So the Israeli government is slightly below Hamas with regard to care for innocent lives, and folk consider that acceptable?
"We`re only slightly more evil than Hamas" isn`t a brag.
This particular thread is about innocent Palestinians being killed at aid centres.
The claim is that it`s Israel doing the killing. The report from the Palestinian Authority is accusing Hamas.
I absolutely admit Israel are guilty of war crimes and those responsible should face justice. We should not however be blaming them for killings carried out by Hamas.
The ones I posted about the other day (the 5 children) were admitted to by the IDF……..5 CHILDREN!
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Mon 14 Jul 17:58
Quote:
Dave_1885, Mon 14 Jul 17:42
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sadindiefreak, Mon 14 Jul 15:16
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Wotsit, Mon 14 Jul 15:07
So the Israeli government is slightly below Hamas with regard to care for innocent lives, and folk consider that acceptable?
"We`re only slightly more evil than Hamas" isn`t a brag.
This particular thread is about innocent Palestinians being killed at aid centres.
The claim is that it`s Israel doing the killing. The report from the Palestinian Authority is accusing Hamas.
I absolutely admit Israel are guilty of war crimes and those responsible should face justice. We should not however be blaming them for killings carried out by Hamas.
The ones I posted about the other day (the 5 children) were admitted to by the IDF……..5 CHILDREN!
Were they not killed in an airstrike rather than shot?
Still an absolute tragedy and if anyone is shown to have deliberately targeted them they must face justice.
We are talking about innocent Palestinians being shot and killed at aid centres by Hamas as claimed by the Palestinian Authority.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 14 Jul 18:26
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sadindiefreak, Mon 14 Jul 17:58
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Dave_1885, Mon 14 Jul 17:42
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sadindiefreak, Mon 14 Jul 15:16
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Wotsit, Mon 14 Jul 15:07
So the Israeli government is slightly below Hamas with regard to care for innocent lives, and folk consider that acceptable?
"We`re only slightly more evil than Hamas" isn`t a brag.
This particular thread is about innocent Palestinians being killed at aid centres.
The claim is that it`s Israel doing the killing. The report from the Palestinian Authority is accusing Hamas.
I absolutely admit Israel are guilty of war crimes and those responsible should face justice. We should not however be blaming them for killings carried out by Hamas.
The ones I posted about the other day (the 5 children) were admitted to by the IDF……..5 CHILDREN!
Were they not killed in an airstrike rather than shot?
Still an absolute tragedy and if anyone is shown to have deliberately targeted them they must face justice.
We are talking about innocent Palestinians being shot and killed at aid centres by Hamas as claimed by the Palestinian Authority.
So its ok for the IDF to use a to bomb people waiting for water aid? They have already admitted to doing this, which means it was deliberate.
The article you posted was from 3 weeks ago, anything more up to date from a verified, neutral source?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 14 Jul 18:48
The IDF must be the most inefficient fighting force in the world when you consider how much `unintentional` collateral damage they`ve been responsible for by their own admission.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Mon 14 Jul 19:07
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Dave_1885, Mon 14 Jul 18:26
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sadindiefreak, Mon 14 Jul 17:58
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Dave_1885, Mon 14 Jul 17:42
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sadindiefreak, Mon 14 Jul 15:16
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Wotsit, Mon 14 Jul 15:07
So the Israeli government is slightly below Hamas with regard to care for innocent lives, and folk consider that acceptable?
"We`re only slightly more evil than Hamas" isn`t a brag.
This particular thread is about innocent Palestinians being killed at aid centres.
The claim is that it`s Israel doing the killing. The report from the Palestinian Authority is accusing Hamas.
I absolutely admit Israel are guilty of war crimes and those responsible should face justice. We should not however be blaming them for killings carried out by Hamas.
The ones I posted about the other day (the 5 children) were admitted to by the IDF……..5 CHILDREN!
Were they not killed in an airstrike rather than shot?
Still an absolute tragedy and if anyone is shown to have deliberately targeted them they must face justice.
We are talking about innocent Palestinians being shot and killed at aid centres by Hamas as claimed by the Palestinian Authority.
So its ok for the IDF to use a to bomb people waiting for water aid? They have already admitted to doing this, which means it was deliberate.
The article you posted was from 3 weeks ago, anything more up to date from a verified, neutral source?
They claimed it was a mistake as they were meant to be targeting a Hamas terrorist and hit the wrong place. So NOT deliberate. It should of course be investigated and if shown that it was planned someone must face justice.
At no point have I said it was OK
Let`s see if you will say the same about Hamas needing to face justice.
The article was about an accusation made by the PA about Hamas. What`s wrong with an article from the time. And where the f*** am I going to find a "more recent" article about something that happened 3 weeks ago.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 14 Jul 19:13
There have been a lot of IDF “mistakes” in the last year - have any been investigated yet? Or just swept under the carpet?
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Mon 14 Jul 19:23
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Dave_1885, Mon 14 Jul 19:13
There have been a lot of IDF “mistakes” in the last year - have any been investigated yet? Or just swept under the carpet?
There has been, I don`t know what investigation has happened but the Israelis should not be investigating these incidents themselves. A neutral authority must be tasked with a full investigation of all incidents after the conflict is over.
It`s normal for full investigations to take place after war ends.
It must happen in this case as it does in others.
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Mon 14 Jul 19:58
The Apartheid Ethno-state has failed and the only faintly viable siolution I can see is to have a single state where everyone, including everyone in Gaza and the West Bank, is an equal citizen with equal rights and access to the same roads, shops, public transport, schools - the same access to everything.
Israel lost its biggest ally when South Africa saw sense, it`s time they did the same and accepted that handing out or revoking rights based on a person`s ethnic heritage is not an acceptable, or viable, way to exist.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 14 Jul 21:29
The problem with all these "leaks" is they can`t be verified. People could be dressed to look/act like someone else, they can use AI, they can re-use old footage from another attack/event. Non-mainstream sources aren`t any more reliable than mainstream. The reality is the only people who know the truth are those committing these atrocities and the rest of us will find out in many years to come.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Tue 15 Jul 08:49
There is a lot of misinformation out there, but I think everyone must be able to see for themselves that the IDF, are murdering innocent, defenceless, starving people for the fun of it, every single day.
Anyone that comes on here, like sadindiefreak, defending or try to find excuses for the Israelis actions, really needs to have a word with themselves, and try and find some human compassion
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Tue 15 Jul 09:05
One of Israel`s stated war aims is to destroy Hamas. They also keep telling us how they do all they can to avoid and minimise civilian casualties.
Now, you want us to believe that despite all the drones, spy-planes and informants, Hamas fighters are able to operate in/near an environment the Israelis themselves created and control? For a month or more. Think of all the technology, intelligence and weaponry they have at their disposal and yet the same thing happens, predictably, day after day.
You`d think it would be a quick win for them and gain some positive headlines, "killing Hamas and saving starving children from being shot". But no, day after day it happens.
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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Tue 15 Jul 10:42
No access to journalists says it all...
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 16 Jul 04:48
According to a Washington Institute survey in 2023, a staggering 87 per cent of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza believed that the Palestinian Authority (PA) is corrupt, 78 per cent wanted Abbas to resign, and 62 per cent thought that the PA is a liability.
This loss of popular legitimacy has had real-life implications. Even before the current war in Gaza, areas of the West Bank were practically ungoverned. The international community, appalled by the PA`s corruption and dealing with competing crises elsewhere, reduced aid.
"Diplomatically, outside powers continued to treat the PA as the legitimate representative of the Palestinians. But in reality, world leaders have largely given up on it," the Institute said.
In essence, don`t believe a word the Palestinian Authority says. It has zero credibility.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Wed 16 Jul 07:13
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OzPar, Wed 16 Jul 04:48
According to a Washington Institute survey in 2023, a staggering 87 per cent of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza believed that the Palestinian Authority (PA) is corrupt, 78 per cent wanted Abbas to resign, and 62 per cent thought that the PA is a liability.
This loss of popular legitimacy has had real-life implications. Even before the current war in Gaza, areas of the West Bank were practically ungoverned. The international community, appalled by the PA`s corruption and dealing with competing crises elsewhere, reduced aid.
"Diplomatically, outside powers continued to treat the PA as the legitimate representative of the Palestinians. But in reality, world leaders have largely given up on it," the Institute said.
In essence, don`t believe a word the Palestinian Authority says. It has zero credibility.
You don`t have to when the IDF are putting videos online snipering kids.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 16 Jul 07:47
Agreed. But who is to say the snipers are Palestinians? Do you really think this Israeli/US run “charity” would allow Hamas fighters with guns anywhere near the food queues… not to mention the IDF snipers and drones? It stretches credibility if you ask me.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 16 Jul 22:33
Israel bombing Damascus today……when will ever end?
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 16 Jul 23:33
It`s absolutely crazy. That`s attacks on Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and the genocide in Palestine all ongoing at the moment. They are a rogue state, a law unto themselves. They appear to have influence over the US and UK Governments. For the sake of world peace, countries need to work together to find a final solution to stop them
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