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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 30 Nov 02:17
I know this isn’t a popular viewpoint, but I say: thank God for Vladimir Putin. He may be ruthless, but he is intelligent and not impulsive. Without him, we would likely already be in World War III. We may still face that nightmare, but for now, it is his measured responses to increasingly reckless demands from Europe and the UK over Ukraine that have kept it at bay. Even Donald Trump now openly accepts the inevitable—Russia has won.
Since the failed Ukrainian counteroffensive in 2023, the outcome has been clear. Militarily, the war ended then. Yet for reasons that seem less about defence and more about political convenience and corruption, Western leaders and a compliant media insisted on the opposite. At the same time, NATO leaders thumped the table, demanding a “firm response” to Russia while knowing full well that without the United States, NATO lacks the forces or the ammunition for a protracted conflict with a battle-hardened Russia.
America’s attention has moved: to the Middle East, to Venezuela, and ultimately to China. Washington cannot fight effectively on multiple fronts, so responsibility for NATO has drifted back to Europe, whose governments can neither afford nor politically sustain the military budgets required. Stealing Russian assets frozen in European banks? That will backfire. Raising defence spending while cutting domestic programs? That will backfire, too. It’s hard to see Macron, Merz, or Starmer surviving the political cost for long.
So why does NATO keep pushing to prolong the war? Vast sums of public money are being siphoned into the conflict, and through various bait-and-switch schemes, are being presented as unwavering support for Ukraine. Western promises have repeatedly been loud upfront, while actual deliveries have been slow, restricted, or diluted. Russian soldiers report finding Ukrainian units armed with WWII-era rifles. Where, then, is the money going? Corruption.
It’s worth remembering that Russia and Ukraine had the outlines of a peace agreement within a month of the invasion. In late March 2022, Ukraine offered neutrality — no NATO membership and no foreign bases — in exchange for binding security guarantees. Moscow signalled it might accept a framework that didn’t demand total Ukrainian capitulation. It wasn’t a done deal, but diplomacy appeared possible. Then came Bucha. The atrocities hardened Ukrainian attitudes. And in mid-April, Boris Johnson told Zelensky that even if Ukraine was ready to sign, the Western powers were not.
Three and a half years later, with perhaps two million dead, we are left with corrupt politicians still lining their pockets with public money while demanding that more Ukrainians and Russians die for a lost cause.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Sun 30 Nov 08:12
And then after splooging all over himself while writing that Oz cleaned himself up and went to sleep
The End
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sun 30 Nov 08:31
Australian security services need to do a thorough audit of this guy`s contacts and bank accounts methinks! 😂
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Sun 30 Nov 08:45
Ukraine are running out of men to send to the meatgrinder, they are losing.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sun 30 Nov 08:54
You could always head off and help the Ruscists out Bletchley if you think that - Turkish Airlines are still flying there and had some cracking Black Friday deals to and from Edinburgh. Should be easy work for Trumpians like yourself, no?
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Sun 30 Nov 09:04
"If I think that".
I think that not because I wish to "help Russia", I think it simply because it is the reality of the situation and has been for some time now.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sun 30 Nov 09:33
Same thing your lot have been saying for years...so when will Ukraine fold?
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Sun 30 Nov 10:41
I think it was around 2023.
Post Edited (Sun 30 Nov 10:42)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 30 Nov 11:23
Wealthy people playing war with the lives of poor people. We can debate who is right/wrong all day long but in the meantime.more and more people die in a largely needless war.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sun 30 Nov 12:13
Keep off the 4X Oz
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sun 30 Nov 13:13
Not sure the Ukrainians would agree with you there Jake: they`re quite ready for peace, but not at any cost. I would agree with you that the war is needless, but from the perspective that it was a plot for Putin to distract the masses from the growing anti-corruption sentiment. With the resources Russia has, it should be doing far better economically, yet the likes of Poland do it to shame. Why? Because the money is disappearing into the Oligarchy`s pockets.
Bletchley, anyone can post a table but it would be handy to know the source and to see something comparable from the Russian side, which is conspicuously always missing from your poats on this topic. Russian casualties are currently about 3x those of the Ukraine and the mortality rate is much higher in the Russian side, simply because they don`t value their soldiers` lives.
Then you have all the mercenaries from Kenya, Nepal and elsewhere because Putin is scared to recruit from ethnically Russian families, particularly in the Moscow-Peterburg bubble. Did you not notice how he bricked it the minute Tomohawk missiles were mentioned and got on the phone to his plant in the white house?
The war could end with Putin simply withdrawing, which we all know he won`t do because this would cost him his power and, most likely, his life.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 30 Nov 13:33
Weird how someone was probably an inch away from killing Trump yet no-one`s managed to take Putin.
Neither side fills itself with glory but obviously the issue starts and ends with Russia and Putin. He can`t seem to back down so needs offered something but the longer it goes on the bigger that something needs to be.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Sun 30 Nov 17:16
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sun 30 Nov 13:13
Bletchley, anyone can post a table but it would be handy to know the source and to see something comparable from the Russian side, which is conspicuously always missing from your poats on this topic. Russian casualties are currently about 3x those of the Ukraine and the mortality rate is much higher in the Russian side, simply because they don`t value their soldiers` lives.
I said this 9 months ago on the Trump thread.
Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Fri 28 Feb 23:32
And the solid brutal truth is this....Ukraine are killing Russians at a higher rate than the Russians are killing Ukrainians, they are fighting the good fight....but it`s not enough, they will run out of men to feed the meat grinder.
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Then you have all the mercenaries from Kenya, Nepal and elsewhere because Putin is scared to recruit from ethnically Russian families, particularly in the Moscow-Peterburg bubble. Did you not notice how he bricked it the minute Tomohawk missiles were mentioned and got on the phone to his plant in the white house?
Not sure how him using battle-hardend mercenaries rather than a conscripted civilian is a disadvantage tbh.
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The war could end with Putin simply withdrawing, which we all know he won`t do because this would cost him his power and, most likely, his life.
Are there any people posting here who don`t think that?
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Sun 30 Nov 23:37
"Battle-hardened mercenaries" is a stretch to say the least: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/11/8/ukraines-fm-says-over-1400-africans-recruited-to-fight-for-russia-in-war
You do have folk like Oz saying "thank God for Vladimir Putin" and who has previously stated that "Ukraine should surrender" and claiming Zelensky is a con-man etc.
Funny thing is, you can bet there`ll be very little knowledge of the staged apartment bombings that were used to launch the war in oil-rich Chechnya or of the fact that Putin headed several investigations into corruption in the late 90s that got him into a position where he could effectively blackmail Yeltsin, whom he just happened to grant immunity before taking office himself...but yeah, Zelensky is the conman right enough!
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Mon 1 Dec 03:38
Jimmy I get the impression you are going to great lengths in an attempt to get me to call Putin a *the c word.
Would that be a fair assessment of where this discussion is at?
* Edited due to the swear filter being a flower.
Post Edited (Mon 01 Dec 03:40)
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Mon 1 Dec 19:59
Why not just share your opinion? Or are you afraid to show your true colours?
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Wed 3 Dec 22:15
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ipswichpar, Sun 30 Nov 12:13
Keep off the 4X Oz
He’s graduated from 4X to Crystal Meth by the looks of it
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 3 Dec 22:34
What a sad state of affairs that people can come on here and insult you in quite vicious and offensive ways when all you have done in is express opinions that are quite common outside of the UK and EU.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 4 Dec 08:36
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OzPar, Wed 3 Dec 22:34
What a sad state of affairs that people can come on here and insult you in quite vicious and offensive ways when all you have done in is express opinions that are quite common outside of the UK and EU.
.Net doesn`t like people who don`t furiously virtue signal, you have to play the citizen card round these parts.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Thu 4 Dec 09:03
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Dandy Warhol, Thu 4 Dec 08:36
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OzPar, Wed 3 Dec 22:34
What a sad state of affairs that people can come on here and insult you in quite vicious and offensive ways when all you have done in is express opinions that are quite common outside of the UK and EU.
.Net doesn`t like people who don`t furiously virtue signal, you have to play the citizen card round these parts.
Write the opposite of the original post on a site in Russia and perhaps you will realise it is a nonsense argument.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Thu 4 Dec 14:32
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ipswichpar, Thu 4 Dec 09:03
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Dandy Warhol, Thu 4 Dec 08:36
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OzPar, Wed 3 Dec 22:34
What a sad state of affairs that people can come on here and insult you in quite vicious and offensive ways when all you have done in is express opinions that are quite common outside of the UK and EU.
.Net doesn`t like people who don`t furiously virtue signal, you have to play the citizen card round these parts.
Write the opposite of the original post on a site in Russia and perhaps you will realise it is a nonsense argument.
.net absolutely hounds people who don`t stick to the popular narrative, quite disgustingly too.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Thu 4 Dec 15:51
The key thing is, if Russia takes Ukraine, Europe will just sit back and allow it in the end. They aren’t in NATO, so no real prerogative to help.
If they then choose to attack a NATO nation, which I reckon would come next, then I cant see it ending well for anyone.
What is mind boggling is how people think Putin is a nice guy and not the aggressor in this. Its like thinking Hitler was a nice guy when the Nazis marched into Poland.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Thu 4 Dec 22:58
The strange thing though Dandy is that Oz`s posts RE China and Russia are remarkably similar to things like CGTN, China Global and the Facebook posts of the Russian Foreign Ministry and various embassies abroad - we`re talking to the point of using the same vocabulary. Strangely, these bodies are allowed to freely post as they like across platforms like Facebook and Instagram, which are banned in their own countries. Don`t you find that a bit odd?
Now, while there are unquestionably issues with our own media, do you seriously expect anyone to believe that the democratic nations don`t have a more transparent information system than Russia or China?
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Thu 4 Dec 23:37
Hurricane Jimmy,
I need to address this directly.
I have engaged with your criticisms in good faith, providing reasoned arguments, explaining my methodology for gathering information, and citing sources where appropriate. Regarding China and Hong Kong, for example, I have shared that my own family has direct, personal experience there.
However, you constantly dismiss this and return with the same broad, unfounded accusations - about my supposed use of Instagram and Telegram (neither of which I use) or Facebook, which I left in 2013. This pattern suggests you are not interested in genuine discussion, but rather in repeating polemics.
Therefore, I will no longer engage with you on these topics. I find the conversation unproductive and, frankly, disrespectful. I suggest we agree to disagree and move on.
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Topic Originator: Tenruh
Date: Fri 5 Dec 06:41
Quote:
hurricane_jimmy, Thu 4 Dec 22:58
The strange thing though Dandy is that Oz`s posts RE China and Russia are remarkably similar to things like CGTN, China Global and the Facebook posts of the Russian Foreign Ministry and various embassies abroad - we`re talking to the point of using the same vocabulary. Strangely, these bodies are allowed to freely post as they like across platforms like Facebook and Instagram, which are banned in their own countries. Don`t you find that a bit odd?
Now, while there are unquestionably issues with our own media, do you seriously expect anyone to believe that the democratic nations don`t have a more transparent information system than Russia or China?
The media in Scotland is owned by 5 companies or individuals so you get what they`re prepared to give you....why do you think the BBC is losing so many subscribers?
Everything is controlled here also.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Fri 5 Dec 07:47
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hurricane_jimmy, Thu 4 Dec 22:58
The strange thing though Dandy is that Oz`s posts RE China and Russia are remarkably similar to things like CGTN, China Global and the Facebook posts of the Russian Foreign Ministry and various embassies abroad - we`re talking to the point of using the same vocabulary. Strangely, these bodies are allowed to freely post as they like across platforms like Facebook and Instagram, which are banned in their own countries. Don`t you find that a bit odd?
Now, while there are unquestionably issues with our own media, do you seriously expect anyone to believe that the democratic nations don`t have a more transparent information system than Russia or China?
Media serves it`s masters everywhere but that`s not my point, my point is whenever anyone puts over a view not commonly shared or a view that challenges what has been spoon fed, .net gangs up, especially if it`s contrary to a good bit of virtue signalling.
Edit : i do not support Putin or Zelensky, both are distasteful cretins.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
Post Edited (Fri 05 Dec 08:26)
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Fri 5 Dec 20:41
I like reading OzPar`s views on the world, he`s a man that has lived life, knows how things work, it`s good to get his perspective on things
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Sat 6 Dec 09:00
The money laundering is massive, St Ukraine`s mask slipping, still though, send more billions and keep flying those flags.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: hurricane_jimmy
Date: Tue 9 Dec 20:30
Oz, frankly, you really need to take a good look at yourself: your attempt to withdraw gracefully is nothing other than a tacit admission that you are wrong but can`t admit it because to do so would be a massive loss of face. I guess that`s a virtue you share with the Mainland Chinese, particularly the CCP sycophants.
When it comes to Russia and China, the source matters not - the narrative from these two countries is centrally controlled and heavily censored, meaning that pretty much any outlet will say the same thing. Surely as someone who supposedly has an extensive background in media, you would be well aware of this?
You`ve tried to rubbish what I`ve said about the fire in Tai Po, yet I`m on the ground in Hong Kong and actually worked for a year in the town where it happened and have a number of local friends there and both they and I have directly seen the Mainland Mandarin speakers posting about and taking from the charities helping victims there. Surely, if you were are well-informed as you seem to think you are, you`d be aware that the National Security Police were dispatched to Tai Po last week? But nae doubt you`ll have an excuse for that one...
One thing that I do find quite amusing is that many of your posts are rather reminiscent of the posts of the Russian Foreign Ministry and their outlets abroad:
https://www.facebook.com/MIDRussia
https://www.facebook.com/RusEmbAu
Tell me, why are the Russian Foreign Ministry posting on Facebook when META is a black-marked organisation in Russia?
And look, the Chinese are at it as well posting about naughty Japan and America:
https://www.facebook.com/XinhuaNewsAgency
https://www.facebook.com/ChinaGlobalTVNetwork
https://www.facebook.com/cctvcom
Again, why is China posting on a platform that they ban for their own citizens? A cursory glance at the comments shows you all the Wumao bots trying to give the posts traction.
You have in the past freely admitted to quoting TASS from Russia and many of the things you say about China are quite obviously directly taken from the likes of CGTN, CCTN and Xinhua. While I have no doubt that UK and Scottish media is not without bias - that much is obvious from simply looking at different political leanings in the Scottish papers - but do you really expect anyone to believe that the sources mentioned above are on the same level as Reuters etc? C`Mon min..
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