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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Mon 1 Jun 22:39
Part 2 seems to be broken so please continue the thread here.
Regards
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Post Edited (Tue 02 Jun 10:00)
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Tue 2 Jun 09:43
Thought the name would have been spelled correctly on this one :) Not as if we haven't seen it on the news.
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Tue 2 Jun 10:04
Happy now? 🤣
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Tue 2 Jun 10:13
Too much time on my hands just now :)
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Tue 2 Jun 18:18
I just read some possible good news about a second wave.
It is possible that recent infection with a different coronavirus (the interestingly named OC43 or NL63) might actually be protecting people against this one.
If this is the case, it massively reduces the chances of a second wave in countries that have already been badly hit.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 2 Jun 18:20
The disappointing news in Fife is that the data was misreported last week and we've seen continued cases in Fife. Given the lack of social distancing being displayed outside right now we can expect this to grow.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 2 Jun 18:58
Jake the social distancing has been a disgrace in the last few week-ends North Berwick and Gullane towns and beaches mobbed with folk from miles away ...Caravans and cars with foreign plates spotted every day public toilets closed so folk peeing and pooing on or around the beach areas and leaving all their trash behind them I heard there were folk from Glasgow through at the week- end
Also heard on the news yesterday a woman from Ayr saying the same thing and there were taxi's from Edinburgh
...What is wrong with these people ???
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 2 Jun 19:06
In alot of peoples minds lockdown is over and it'll be hard to change that mindset now if we were needed to go back.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 2 Jun 19:16
Think you are right Towk but I can see this coming back to bite us :(
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 2 Jun 19:29
Quote:
Buspasspar, Tue 2 Jun 18:58
Jake the social distancing has been a disgrace in the last few week-ends North Berwick and Gullane towns and beaches mobbed with folk from miles away ...Caravans and cars with foreign plates spotted every day public toilets closed so folk peeing and pooing on or around the beach areas and leaving all their trash behind them I heard there were folk from Glasgow through at the week- end
Also heard on the news yesterday a woman from Ayr saying the same thing and there were taxi's from Edinburgh
...What is wrong with these people ???
Are you Victor Meldrew in disguise, BPP?
Can't say I disagree with you. Sadly, a %age of the population are complete @r$eh0le$
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 2 Jun 19:31
And yet that idiot Cummings is allowed to carry on as normal. People seem to think it's gone. It hasn't. It's still there, waiting for numpties to head to the beach or wherever and spread it about without realising.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 2 Jun 19:49
Quote G.G.
Are you Victor Meldrew in disguise, BPP?
Can't say I disagree with you. Sadly, a %age of the population are complete @r$eh0le$
Hahaha.... "I don't believe it" .... I've been called that a few times G.G. :)
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Topic Originator: Stoo
Date: Tue 2 Jun 21:20
Lockdown is pretty much humped now.
People at large are desensitised to the death toll and they're done with the restrictions. Its a veritable free for all.
Good luck out there folks. I'm quite happy to carry on how I have been, not missing too much about "normal life".
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 4 Jun 19:07
Watched the video not a bead of sweat in site
Business Secretary Alok Sharma has received a negative test result for coronavirus.
Mr Sharma said he would like to offer "huge thanks" to those who have expressed their well wishes over the last 24 hours as well as the Parliamentary authorities.
He became unwell in the Commons on Wednesday, where he was seen mopping his brow several times while speaking.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 4 Jun 21:03
Quote:
Stoo, Tue 2 Jun 21:20
Lockdown is pretty much humped now.
People at large are desensitised to the death toll and they're done with the restrictions. Its a veritable free for all.
Good luck out there folks. I'm quite happy to carry on how I have been, not missing too much about "normal life".
Well I'm missing spending quality time with my girlfriend, visiting my parents and the rest of my family, going to the Pars, wee breaks away, a family holiday, a run in the car, meeting my pals every month for a few pints, out with my uncle on his wee boat....all the things about "normal life" that make living worthwhile and I can't wait for the day when i can do these things again.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Thu 04 Jun 21:04)
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 4 Jun 21:04
Quote:
Buspasspar, Thu 4 Jun 19:07
Watched the video not a bead of sweat in site
Business Secretary Alok Sharma has received a negative test result for coronavirus.
Mr Sharma said he would like to offer "huge thanks" to those who have expressed their well wishes over the last 24 hours as well as the Parliamentary authorities.
He became unwell in the Commons on Wednesday, where he was seen mopping his brow several times while speaking.
Another conspiracy? FFS
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 4 Jun 22:05
Quote :-
Well I'm missing spending quality time with my girlfriend, visiting my parents and the rest of my family, going to the Pars, wee breaks away, a family holiday, a run in the car, meeting my pals every month for a few pints, out with my uncle on his wee boat....all the things about "normal life" that make living worthwhile and I can't wait for the day when i can do these things again.
Aye can see them aw waiting wi bated breath da no 1
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 4 Jun 22:23
Quote:
Buspasspar, Thu 4 Jun 22:05
Quote :-
Well I'm missing spending quality time with my girlfriend, visiting my parents and the rest of my family, going to the Pars, wee breaks away, a family holiday, a run in the car, meeting my pals every month for a few pints, out with my uncle on his wee boat....all the things about "normal life" that make living worthwhile and I can't wait for the day when i can do these things again.
Aye can see them aw waiting wi bated breath da no 1
What's that meant to mean?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 4 Jun 22:26
Meaning I'll bet they canny wait see you as well
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 4 Jun 23:05
Quote:
Buspasspar, Thu 4 Jun 22:26
Meaning I'll bet they canny wait see you as well
I'm not sure if I'm reading the tone of your post correctly but I'd like to think we're all eager to see our families and vice versa.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Fri 5 Jun 09:42
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Fri 5 Jun 13:22
The Chinese had that before the Corona Virus outbreak 😂
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Topic Originator: Thaipar
Date: Fri 5 Jun 14:18
Health and safety executive might be investigating health workers deaths from cóvid 19
The whole 91 of them.
Dispicable number mostly through lack of ppe I would imagine
Post Edited (Fri 05 Jun 14:20)
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 5 Jun 17:12
Now officially only the second country in the world to pass 40,000 deaths
But death certificate mentions, which rely on the judgement of doctors, suggest the UK was actually close to 50,000 deaths by the end of May.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 6 Jun 03:39
You have to ask the question, why? Why did an island nation, with the protection that nature provides, become so badly infected with this virus?
Look at the number of deaths in other island nations of similar size, like Taiwan (7 dead), Japan (907), New Zealand (22). Your first thought would be population density and that would certainly apply to NZ, but Japan has twice the population of the UK.
The answer lies elsewhere.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 6 Jun 09:30
The sheer volume of lies this government tells is sheer gold.
Britain's gone full rogue state run by criminal suits...it's done, gone, dusted down and ****ed.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 6 Jun 09:48
Quote :-
Topic Originator: OzPar like | nolike
Date: Sat 6 Jun 03:39
You have to ask the question, why? Why did an island nation, with the protection that nature provides, become so badly infected with this virus?
Look at the number of deaths in other island nations of similar size, like Taiwan (7 dead), Japan (907), New Zealand (22). Your first thought would be population density and that would certainly apply to NZ, but Japan has twice the population of the UK.
The answer lies elsewhere.
Flippancy
Complacency
Ignoring scientific advise
Too late in locking down
Allowing huge events like Cheltenham and football to continue
Allowing flights in to GB from every infected Country with no testing
Failure to buy into the EU scheme for PPE
Failure to acknowledge the risk in care homes
Encouraging construction work in England to continue (highest % deaths)
I know hindsight is an exact science Oz but it is still continuing right now
Relaxing too early ....Folk think they have been let loose
Signs already that cases in certain parts of England are beginning to rise
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 6 Jun 10:12
I'll blame it on those pesky immigrants!😉
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 6 Jun 11:29
You missed out the top answer, BPP.
Sheer arrogance.
This is the UK Government which failed to even acknowledge the helpful information and advice they were sent by Italian doctors and scientists, so that they might not make the same mistakes Italy made.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 6 Jun 13:32
Correct G.G. should have had incompetence in there as well
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Topic Originator: Thaipar
Date: Sun 7 Jun 14:25
No new deaths today. 1st time since the reporting started.
Meanwhile In Engurland still over 200 reported today.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 7 Jun 15:22
Quote:
Thaipar, Sun 7 Jun 14:25
No new deaths today. 1st time since the reporting started.
Meanwhile In Engurland still over 200 reported today.
Why feel the need to say Engurland. People are dying
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: southernpar
Date: Sun 7 Jun 17:06
So, do the lives of those people in England not matter? How do you know there were no Scottish people in that number?
Such a silly statement to come out with.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 7 Jun 18:41
Is it not the case that not all weekend cases get recorded?
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Topic Originator: dd23
Date: Sun 7 Jun 18:54
Quote:
southernpar, Sun 7 Jun 17:06
So, do the lives of those people in England not matter? How do you know there were no Scottish people in that number?
Such a silly statement to come out with.
I guess he's comparing the way the Scottish parliament is run compared to Westminster. I don't think he was bring crass or insensitive.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 7 Jun 18:57
Expect more to come down south. Much as I'm in favour of people having a voice, the BLM rally looked out of control. Sadly, black people are more at risk too.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 7 Jun 20:48
Quote:
dd23, Sun 7 Jun 18:54
Quote:
southernpar, Sun 7 Jun 17:06
So, do the lives of those people in England not matter? How do you know there were no Scottish people in that number?
Such a silly statement to come out with.
I guess he's comparing the way the Scottish parliament is run compared to Westminster. I don't think he was bring crass or insensitive.
Oh I think he knows exactly what he means......
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Thaipar
Date: Sun 7 Jun 22:28
Quote:
da_no_1, Sun 7 Jun 20:48
Quote:
dd23, Sun 7 Jun 18:54
Quote:
southernpar, Sun 7 Jun 17:06
So, do the lives of those people in England not matter? How do you know there were no Scottish people in that number?
Such a silly statement to come out with.
I guess he's comparing the way the Scottish parliament is run compared to Westminster. I don't think he was bring crass or insensitive.
Oh I think he knows exactly what he means......
Yup I do.
It means Holyrood reported no deaths Engurland reported over 200. Simple really.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 7 Jun 22:38
Quote:
Thaipar, Sun 7 Jun 22:28
Quote:
da_no_1, Sun 7 Jun 20:48
Quote:
dd23, Sun 7 Jun 18:54
Quote:
southernpar, Sun 7 Jun 17:06
So, do the lives of those people in England not matter? How do you know there were no Scottish people in that number?
Such a silly statement to come out with.
I guess he's comparing the way the Scottish parliament is run compared to Westminster. I don't think he was bring crass or insensitive.
Oh I think he knows exactly what he means......
Yup I do.
It means Holyrood reported no deaths Engurland reported over 200. Simple really.
It's England. Not Engurland.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Thaipar
Date: Sun 7 Jun 22:43
Quote:
da_no_1, Sun 7 Jun 22:38
Quote:
Thaipar, Sun 7 Jun 22:28
Quote:
da_no_1, Sun 7 Jun 20:48
Quote:
dd23, Sun 7 Jun 18:54
Quote:
southernpar, Sun 7 Jun 17:06
So, do the lives of those people in England not matter? How do you know there were no Scottish people in that number?
Such a silly statement to come out with.
I guess he's comparing the way the Scottish parliament is run compared to Westminster. I don't think he was bring crass or insensitive.
Oh I think he knows exactly what he means......
Yup I do.
It means Holyrood reported no deaths Engurland reported over 200. Simple really.
It's England. Not Engurland.
You should try listening to the supporters when they shout. So it's football only in your opinion, I would say fitbaw
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 8 Jun 05:50
New Zealand has announced that the country has zero cases of Covid-19 and has eliminated the virus from the country. As of midnight tomorrow, NZ will be lifting all Covid-19 restrictions except those that apply to international borders.
Well done the Kiwis!
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Topic Originator: BoAPar
Date: Mon 8 Jun 08:22
Midnight tonight! All remaining domestic restrictions here are being removed in just under 5 hours. We'll have crowds at rugby matches this weekend!
The big hope is that our economy will now escape the worst due to the relatively quick (and tough) restrictions.
Hopefully our Aussie brothers will be joining us soon!!
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 8 Jun 09:35
Indeed BoAPar. I hope we are not far behind you.
And as further inspiration to the rest of the world, New Zealand's Super Rugby competition will kick off its opening round in front of crowds this weekend, generating further hype about the sport's return.
With no restrictions on crowd size, there is the possibility of sold-out grandstands when the Highlanders host the Chiefs in Dunedin on Saturday and the Blues face the Hurricanes at Eden Park on Sunday in the first round of Super Rugby Aotearoa matches.
The competition has been set up as a temporary replacement for the international Super Rugby tournament, which is suspended due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 8 Jun 14:02
Quote:
Thaipar, Sun 7 Jun 22:43
Quote:
da_no_1, Sun 7 Jun 22:38
Quote:
Thaipar, Sun 7 Jun 22:28
Quote:
da_no_1, Sun 7 Jun 20:48
Quote:
dd23, Sun 7 Jun 18:54
Quote:
southernpar, Sun 7 Jun 17:06
So, do the lives of those people in England not matter? How do you know there were no Scottish people in that number?
Such a silly statement to come out with.
I guess he's comparing the way the Scottish parliament is run compared to Westminster. I don't think he was bring crass or insensitive.
Oh I think he knows exactly what he means......
Yup I do.
It means Holyrood reported no deaths Engurland reported over 200. Simple really.
It's England. Not Engurland.
You should try listening to the supporters when they shout. So it's football only in your opinion, I would say fitbaw
What an utterly bizarre post
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Thaipar
Date: Mon 8 Jun 14:11
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da_no_1, Mon 8 Jun 14:02
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Thaipar, Sun 7 Jun 22:43
Quote:
da_no_1, Sun 7 Jun 22:38
Quote:
Thaipar, Sun 7 Jun 22:28
Quote:
da_no_1, Sun 7 Jun 20:48
Quote:
dd23, Sun 7 Jun 18:54
Quote:
southernpar, Sun 7 Jun 17:06
So, do the lives of those people in England not matter? How do you know there were no Scottish people in that number?
Such a silly statement to come out with.
I guess he's comparing the way the Scottish parliament is run compared to Westminster. I don't think he was bring crass or insensitive.
Oh I think he knows exactly what he means......
Yup I do.
It means Holyrood reported no deaths Engurland reported over 200. Simple really.
It's England. Not Engurland.
You should try listening to the supporters when they shout. So it's football only in your opinion, I would say fitbaw
What an utterly bizarre post
What is bizarre is you saying you know what I meant by my post, to try and put your own agenda into it.
I am glad you find me unique as I don't think anybody else in the world has used the word Engurland.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 10 Jun 21:22
Hubble Bubble Toil and Trouble
Just watched this on the mac Boris looks stressed to the nines
The government gave examples for how the new "support bubbles" might work for single adults in England:
A grandparent who lives alone would be able to form a bubble with one of their children, which means they could go to see them and interact with their grandchildren as normal
A single parent could form a bubble with a parent or friend so they can interact as normal
Two single people who both live on their own could form a bubble
And a couple who do not live together could form a bubble, but only if they both live alone
No 10 also said that if a person lives alone but their partner has a flatmate, for example, then they can form a bubble but the flatmate cannot then form their own with another household.
If anyone within a bubble develops coronavirus symptoms, everyone within the bubble must self-isolate for 14 days.
There were 8.2 million people living alone in the UK last year, according to the Office for National Statistics, with just under half aged 65-and-over. There were also 2.9 million single-parent households.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 10 Jun 22:57
Quote:
Buspasspar, Wed 10 Jun 21:22
Hubble Bubble Toil and Trouble
Just watched this on the mac Boris looks stressed to the nines
The government gave examples for how the new "support bubbles" might work for single adults in England:
A grandparent who lives alone would be able to form a bubble with one of their children, which means they could go to see them and interact with their grandchildren as normal
A single parent could form a bubble with a parent or friend so they can interact as normal
Two single people who both live on their own could form a bubble
And a couple who do not live together could form a bubble, but only if they both live alone
No 10 also said that if a person lives alone but their partner has a flatmate, for example, then they can form a bubble but the flatmate cannot then form their own with another household.
If anyone within a bubble develops coronavirus symptoms, everyone within the bubble must self-isolate for 14 days.
There were 8.2 million people living alone in the UK last year, according to the Office for National Statistics, with just under half aged 65-and-over. There were also 2.9 million single-parent households.
Too much p*sh min
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Thu 11 Jun 07:17
Quote:
Buspasspar, Wed 10 Jun 21:22
Hubble Bubble Toil and Trouble
Just watched this on the mac Boris looks stressed to the nines
The government gave examples for how the new "support bubbles" might work for single adults in England:
A grandparent who lives alone would be able to form a bubble with one of their children, which means they could go to see them and interact with their grandchildren as normal
A single parent could form a bubble with a parent or friend so they can interact as normal
Two single people who both live on their own could form a bubble
And a couple who do not live together could form a bubble, but only if they both live alone
No 10 also said that if a person lives alone but their partner has a flatmate, for example, then they can form a bubble but the flatmate cannot then form their own with another household.
If anyone within a bubble develops coronavirus symptoms, everyone within the bubble must self-isolate for 14 days.
There were 8.2 million people living alone in the UK last year, according to the Office for National Statistics, with just under half aged 65-and-over. There were also 2.9 million single-parent households.
The largest Venn Diagram in history 😀
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 12 Jun 11:33
Just caught "Contagion " on Netflix, made 9 years ago, strangely familiar!🤔
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 12 Jun 11:58
Uncanny isn't it?!?
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Topic Originator: Thaipar
Date: Fri 12 Jun 15:40
R rate above 1 now in UK.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 12 Jun 20:29
Quote:
Thaipar, Fri 12 Jun 15:40
R rate above 1 now in UK.
BBC news says its between 0.8 & 1
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 12 Jun 20:32
Quote:
da_no_1, Fri 12 Jun 20:29
Quote:
Thaipar, Fri 12 Jun 15:40
R rate above 1 now in UK.
BBC news actually says its between 0.7 & 0.9 in the UK but specifically between 0.8 & 1 in England.
Only between & 0.9 & 1.1 in the SW of England
Happy to help
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Fri 12 Jun 20:34)
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Fri 12 Jun 21:00
Perhaps those trips to the beach weren't such a good idea after all....
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Fri 12 Jun 21:58
Quote:
Thaipar, Fri 12 Jun 15:40
R rate above 1 now in UK.
Scotland is 0.6 to 0.8.
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Topic Originator: Thaipar
Date: Fri 12 Jun 23:17
Quote:
da_no_1, Fri 12 Jun 20:32
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da_no_1, Fri 12 Jun 20:29
Quote:
Thaipar, Fri 12 Jun 15:40
R rate above 1 now in UK.
BBC news actually says its between 0.7 & 0.9 in the UK but specifically between 0.8 & 1 in England.
Only between & 0.9 & 1.1 in the SW of England
Happy to help
Happy to quote the government.
Coronavirus R number may have risen above 1 in parts of England, govt says
Officials say the estimates are less robust and less useful in determining the state of the epidemic as there are now fewer cases.
Friday 12 June 2020 20:59, UK
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 12 Jun 23:38
Not what you said earlier.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Mon 15 Jun 22:30
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 15 Jun 22:58
Aye, let's copy England 'cos they always get things right.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Mon 15 Jun 23:01
Rightly or wrongly two weeks behind I would guess. No big deal in the scheme of things. Considering that Scot Gov has had no control over the virus entering Scotland in the beginning or the possibility of reinfection through our porous borders I don’t think it will make much difference now.
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Mon 15 Jun 23:02
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Mon 15 Jun 23:05
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 15 Jun 23:24
The biggest risk will be the holiday period as people from worse hit areas head off for a "staycation".
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 15 Jun 23:32
China bubbling under again, you think we'll be ready this time?🤔🤔🤔
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Mon 15 Jun 23:50
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Tue 16 Jun 00:07
So go to work then... Catch the virus... What does that prove?
You might not catch it... But you might.
Is it not better to wait til it's deemed safe to do so ?
Admin
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 16 Jun 00:56
Quote:
widtink, Tue 16 Jun 00:07
So go to work then... Catch the virus... What does that prove?
You might not catch it... But you might.
Is it not better to wait til it's deemed safe to do so ?
Our SNP government is saying it is kinda safe. As of Thursday coming it will be deemed even safer. So if the 2nd wave Lochgelly seems obsessed with materialises up here will it still be the big bad Tories fault?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 16 Jun 00:58
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LochgellyAlbert, Mon 15 Jun 23:32
China bubbling under again, you think we'll be ready this time?🤔🤔🤔
We'll be a lot better prepared if it materialises. Localised lockdowns will happen quickly. The widespread panic generated in the main by the media wont happen as they will be too busy obsessing about BLM or something else. Wait and see.....
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Tue 16 Jun 05:17
Is that true about local lockdown? I have a friend who works on essential hospital equipment in the South West where there R number is rising and he sent me a photograph of the Sports Direct queue. No social distancing, massive queue. He is ex Navy and classes them as cannon fodder and couldn’t think of a better term for it.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 16 Jun 07:00
Trump is holding a rally in Tulsa this weekend at an enclosed venue with a capacity for 19,000. What are the odds of the virus going gangbusters in Oklahoma after this?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 16 Jun 08:26
Time to let those who live in fear do so and let those who don't get back to normal.
I've been at work throughout all of this, travelling on public transport etc as have many others.
Still no sight of this deadly vilurant killer.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 16 Jun 08:41
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da_no_1, Tue 16 Jun 00:58
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LochgellyAlbert, Mon 15 Jun 23:32
China bubbling under again, you think we'll be ready this time?🤔🤔🤔
We'll be a lot better prepared if it materialises. Localised lockdowns will happen quickly. The widespread panic generated in the main by the media wont happen as they will be too busy obsessing about BLM or something else. Wait and see.....
Yeah it was all media hype right enough, it's not like thousands were dying or anything.
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Tue 16 Jun 08:48
41,698 deaths apparently.
Anyone got the figures for deaths at this time of year normally?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 16 Jun 08:59
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londonparsfan, Tue 16 Jun 08:41
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da_no_1, Tue 16 Jun 00:58
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LochgellyAlbert, Mon 15 Jun 23:32
China bubbling under again, you think we'll be ready this time?🤔🤔🤔
We'll be a lot better prepared if it materialises. Localised lockdowns will happen quickly. The widespread panic generated in the main by the media wont happen as they will be too busy obsessing about BLM or something else. Wait and see.....
Yeah it was all media hype right enough, it's not like thousands were dying or anything.
That's not what I meant. They're already focussing on queues outside M&S whereas 2 months ago they were outside hospitals.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 16 Jun 09:37
In that case I apologise DA but I took the line "The widespread panic generated in the main by the media wont happen" to be that people were only worried because of media reports.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 16 Jun 09:43
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londonparsfan, Tue 16 Jun 09:37
In that case I apologise DA but I took the line "The widespread panic generated in the main by the media wont happen" to be that people were only worried because of media reports.
It's cool. What I mean is the way this country behaves is often defined by absolute rockets like Piers Morgan and whatever theme GMB are running on any given day. Scary
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Tue 16 Jun 10:29
It will take at least a year to make sense of how many ‘extra’ deaths have occurred in various countries, especially if there is a second spike. Even then, some of these ‘extra’ deaths will have been caused indirectly by measures taken by governments. (e.g. reduced hospital treatment, fewer operations, possible increase in violence after being locked down etc.)
As for lockdown I have called it a blunt instrument and stand by that. It seems that it is a useful tactic if done quickly so as to allow tracking and testing, enabling us to separate the healthy from the infected. Otherwise it is just a fetish, an attempt to convince the public that there is a great danger of death and that the government is taking action. The wild claim that 500,000 would die will be used to justify that lockdown has worked since only around 50,000 died.
Yet that 50,000 figure of likely deaths in the UK was being mooted by many commentators before the notion of lockdown ever surfaced. It’s vulnerable people who die of the virus and their numbers can be judged reasonably accurately, unless we are facing some lethal virus which attacks the young and the healthy which this Covid clearly is not.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 16 Jun 11:04
"As for lockdown I have called it a blunt instrument and stand by that. It seems that it is a useful tactic if done quickly so as to allow tracking and testing, enabling us to separate the healthy from the infected."
I completely agree with that part of your post. Lockdowns on their own don't solve the issue.
"Otherwise it is just a fetish, an attempt to convince the public that there is a great danger of death and that the government is taking action. The wild claim that 500,000 would die will be used to justify that lockdown has worked since only around 50,000 die"
Disagree with that part. The danger of death is well documented for various age categories so people already know. The Government had no intention of doing anything and were quite happy to ride it out at one point. They were completely unprepared to do any of the points that needed to be done in your the first part of your post that would have enabled better management of virus as they simply don't want to spend money on proper health care and protection for people.
The 500,000 number seems to get seized on a lot but gets taken out of context. The figure was based on absolutely nothing being done and was based on the virus having an R number of 3. The limitations of the calculation are in the document and are pretty clear even to a non expert.
The minute you do something to limit the R number, you reduce the number of deaths. Some of the criticism of the figure originally even centred around a lack of variables being included such as people like those in Sweden that voluntarily locked themselves down would change the death rate.
The lockdown which was never even a proper lockdown was about all they had left that they could do and in the intervening time they've failed to build any proper processes (back to the 1st half of your post) to manage the virus coming out of lockdown. We still don't have a proper track and trace system. Its no surprise that some other countries won't accept our tourists once they begin to let people start to visit again.
20,000 was the figure that was being banded around in March as the likely number of deaths but the people that made those predictions never seem to cop the same flack that Ferguson did for the 500,000 number. We're still suffering over 1,000 deaths a week due to the virus as well so the number of deaths continues to tick up.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/uk-already-55000-coronavirus-cases-21707938
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Tue 16 Jun 13:06
Separating the healthy from the infected is basic medical practice and the UK has struggled to do this for the reasons you stated. However I feel that the lockdown was partly a ploy to place responsibility for controlling the virus onto the public so that any increases could laid at the door of ‘Covidiots’ a term handily coined by Pies Morgan I think. To a large extent the public bought into this until the demonstrations of the last week or so.
The 500,000 figure was projected on the basis of nothing being done? Well that was a waste of time: any government was bound to do something rather than nothing, even if it only amounted to a lockdown that was largely useless by the time it was implemented. Scientific laws are not the same as mathematical proofs especially when human beings are brought into the equation, yet they have been treated as such by the people running the country. At least until the pressure from business saw the scientists being ignored. No more talk of following the science, which they should not have being doing in the first place. The politicians should have been guided by the science, not following like it was holy writ.
I don’t see how we can be sure that 1,000 deaths are being caused by the virus each week. That would require more autopsies than are manageable. 1,000 sounds a lot but that is less in a week than the average number of people who die on an average each day in the UK. In the final reckoning the only statistic we can trust is the number of dead bodies.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Tue 16 Jun 14:01
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jake89, Mon 15 Jun 23:24
The biggest risk will be the holiday period as people from worse hit areas head off for a "staycation".
And benefiting the holiday companies who were refusing to hand out refunds when they couldn't honour bookings.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 16 Jun 14:07
"The 500,000 figure was projected on the basis of nothing being done? Well that was a waste of time: any government was bound to do something rather than nothing,"
The crazy thing is that they weren't going to do anything. When they were pursuing the heard immunity policy they didn't appear to have looked at how many people would actually die from following it.
They commissioned the Imperial College report and then shat it. Scientists couldn't understand why as basic maths using known mortality rates from other countries indicated it would be tens possibly hundreds of thousands dead. By that time it was too late to do anything other than chuck in a half arsed lockdown and hope for the best.
The Government have repeatedly said they are following the science but have they really? How many other countries done what we've done? The US but who else? Brazil?
The science from the WHO was test test test so lockdowns could be similar to those in South Korea - targeted to at risk areas. Other countries implemented travel bans, we said we were putting on our superman cape to bravely lead the way on behalf of neo con economics.
Virologists have repeatedly criticized the Government for having too many behavioural scientists in the scientific working group rather than actual virologists.
The whole wish washy following the science stuff is where they are looking to palm off the blame.
If they had followed the science, we would have had a stock of PPE equipment, coherent plans to protect nursing homes, a track and trace system and travel bans at least targeted to high risk countries initially.
The number of dead bodies is being tracked here and we are still well above average. The last weeks data that we have Covid 19 deaths accounting for 14.8% of all deaths and that number can be added to as death codings are processed but we are still above the 5 year average weekly death toll. The ONS figures count the bodies:
ons gov website
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Tue 16 Jun 14:45
That's a lot of data to digest. I'll make a couple of points.
The number of deaths until the virus struck was below average for the time of year. This could mean that persons who might have been expected to die in the first three months of the year didn't, but then succumbed to the virus.
In a similar vein, we might be seeing people dying now who might normally have died through natural causes in late autumn or winter. This would produce a spike in the numbers but would level out over a year.
I am in no way disagreeing with your overall criticisms of how the UK government has dealt with the pandemic. And I know Johnson is running away from the figures, something he would not be doing were the UK 'beating' other countries like Germany. But these figures are only indicative at the moment and one graph was careful to state it measured people who died where coronavirus was 'involved.' That is not quite the same as saying it was the cause of death. Pneumonia deaths which commonly affect elderly citizens are also routinely being classified as covid deaths.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 16 Jun 15:50
"The number of deaths until the virus struck was below average for the time of year. This could mean that persons who might have been expected to die in the first three months of the year didn't, but then succumbed to the virus.
In a similar vein, we might be seeing people dying now who might normally have died through natural causes in late autumn or winter. This would produce a spike in the numbers but would level out over a year."
The number of flu deaths in the UK had been lower than the average but I don't see that as being linked to CV deaths outside of there likely being some more elderly people alive who would be more susceptible to CV. If you've swerved the flu it shouldn't be the case that you were expected to die at some point that year. CV is a separate virus and you also need to make sure that other deaths aren't increasing due to measures you've put in place to manage CV (are cancer patients still getting proper treatment etc).
The same applies to those that have potentially died early from Covid, they have still died from Covid.
I'd agree there are challenges in recording Covid deaths but pneumonia is a good example. It can be brought on by the body being weekend by Covid and but its pneumonia that does the damage. If you wouldn't have caught pneumonia without Covid then there's a bit of chicken and egg. When the Russians were claiming they had no Covid deaths it was because they were reporting a large increase in pneumonia deaths. Conversely some deaths that would have been due to pneumonia anyway also have CV noted on the death certificate. The FT tried to quantify the discrepancy and it came out about with a 10% increase in cases were CV was mentioned but not likely to be the main cause of death. It was significantly offset by deaths not having CV recorded against it and didnt cover the spike in excess deaths we've experienced irrespective of the cause of death listed on the death certificate.
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Topic Originator: Parfect68
Date: Tue 16 Jun 17:20
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 16 Jun 08:26
Time to let those who live in fear do so and let those who don't get back to normal.
I've been at work throughout all of this, travelling on public transport etc as have many others.
Still no sight of this deadly vilurant killer.
Im glad you've had no sight. I'm not getting into the bigger debate of how this is being handled but if anyone thinks it has not hit locally it has. Some members of thus board may have lost loved ones. Health colleagues I've worked with caring for positive patients outwith the hospital have tested positive, some mild symptoms, some very poorly but not required hospitalisation. If lockdown had not been in place and social distancing wherever possible the spread and therefore impact locally would be much more substantial.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 16 Jun 18:50
Seems the new outbreak in China is a different strain and is more infectious!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 16 Jun 19:18
All of a sudden you believe everything China says.....
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Tue 16 Jun 19:49
And it came from Europe too... Honestly?
Seems a bit "it's not our fault this time" to me 🤔
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 16 Jun 20:23
The virus is definitely out there. Go up to the Vic and there's a test building outside the main building.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 16 Jun 21:42
Quote:
jake89, Tue 16 Jun 20:23
The virus is definitely out there. Go up to the Vic and there's a test building outside the main building.
Who said it wasn't?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: shrek par
Date: Tue 16 Jun 22:43
The lower pre covid lockdown death numbers are being attributed to the hand washing that was suggested as a precaution prior to lockdown. There was also a marked drop in flu spreading and sick days taken as a result of this. Will be interesting to see the difference post covid to see if people continue to wash their hands.
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Tue 16 Jun 22:52
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Topic Originator: shrek par
Date: Tue 16 Jun 23:23
I'm currently furloughed but hope to go back soon , the completely different tack with regards to the h&s procedures and daily checks and balances within the company I work for when we go back is seismic. Wondering if a side effect of this will be an upsurge in allergies due to the more complete sanitising process we are undertaking as a whole and continuing to do for the foreseeable future.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 17 Jun 08:06
All the people who seem to have decided they can go out like normal. My pal sent me a pic of the park behind his flat. Load of kids with parents. No social distancing whatsoever. Told me they all hugged when they finally left. Couldn't make it up.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Wed 17 Jun 12:01
Sounds like your pal is a bit of a voyeur...
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: back oh the net
Date: Wed 17 Jun 13:26
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DA-go Par Adonis, Wed 17 Jun 12:01
Sounds like your pal is a bit of a voyeur...
Or a bit oh a nosey **** 😂😂😂
Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Wed 17 Jun 14:12
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 17 Jun 17:38
Or perhaps too many people completely ignorant to the simple concept of social distancing. All it would take would be one person their to be carrying the virus. 1 person infecting them. They then go to the shop and potentially infect more. That's how these viruses spread. A simple measure like not hugging someone could save a life. It's not hard.
This is the biggest issue. Folk think it's suddenly gone. It's not and that's why Beijing had to close it's schools yesterday. Of course, Britain is different. Stiff upper lip, bulldog spirit etc. It got us through two world wars...sadly, it appears to have failed us given the shocking death stats.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Wed 17 Jun 21:48
Your devotion to lockdown and social distancing has no basis in the data so far acquired. Sweden has still a lower death rate than the UK despite never having put into place such restrictions as the UK has had to endure. As for Japan, it blows your theory out of the water.
Healthy people survive: unhealthy people are more likely to die. There is nothing complicated about this. The spread of the virus is of no consequence to the vast majority of the population unless they are already ill or old aged. Healthy people are now gathering in groups without, so far at least, the doom laden threat of a second spike and all you can do is call for lockdown in perpetuity?
Lockdown does not solve anything. It is a political construct. At best it can give medics time to separate the sick from the healthy. Unless that is done, and so far it has not been, then lockdown is little more than a sop thrown to the credulous citizenry. To me lockdown is like ration cards: it solves a short term problem but creates many of its own, and is so short sighted it has no answer to what lies ahead.
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Wed 17 Jun 21:58
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Wed 17 Jun 22:36
All the medical professionals seem to be of the opinion that it's you that doesn't grasp the situation. Maybe they are all wrong.
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Wed 17 Jun 22:48
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Wed 17 Jun 23:07
It's the old problem in assuming scientific advice has mathematical truth: it doesn't. We were all brought up in a scientific age and find this difficult to accept.
Even Johnson bought into the scaremongering of Ferguson although he might have dome so since he knew the NHS was underfunded. Maybe that is where to look when we count the bodies in March 2021.
We are no more aware of how this virus acts than the People of Dunfermline were with cholera in 1832. The scientists won't admit their ignorance and the politicians never do.
As a result we still have people on this sight begging for stricter lockdown which is no more effective than a Rec Indian Rain Dance. It's a chastity belt that will reflect more, in years to come, on those who supported it than those who opposed it.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 17 Jun 23:55
Who to trust - Public Health professionals with years of experience in infection control, or Pars fans on dotnet. It's a tough call.
Sweden's Coronavirus growth continues to grow. Areas of Sweden are now increasing lockdown measures. If we had locked down a week or so earlier we would likely have had far fewer deaths as the spread would have been better contained.
Yes, you can't lock down forever, but you can slow growth by not being a total muppet and going around cuddling folk.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Thu 18 Jun 00:37
The muppets are the people who accepted the lockdown. It was nonsense from day one as I said at the time. Healthy people imprisoned themselves on a scare. And now they are getting angry.
You talk of Sweden but their figures are being compared unfavourably with other Nordic countries. But if you compare them to the UK and USA figures Sweden is, to quote Boris Johnson, a world leader in tackling coronavirus. What about Japan? How can that be explained? Maybe I am going to hear about nutrition and diet again.
Lockdown is for serfs. It accepts the notion that government is in control of the situation and only the people can screw things up. It's a bowing of the knee big time. As for health 'experts' I have ignored them all of my life. The ones who told me to stop drinking and smoking in the 1980s are mostly now dead. That is what they knew. Damn little.
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Thu 18 Jun 00:46
So are we saying that the lockdown was pointless and that it hasn't saved any lifes?
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Thu 18 Jun 01:14
I'm saying it was essentially pointless and achieved little.
Had it been brought in quickly with a testing system then it might have been able to determine the healthy from the sick. Instead lockdown was introduced as a panic measure which has since panicked much of the UK population, save those who went on demonstrations and raves last weekend. It's a busted flush.
Young, healthy people know they can't be killed by the virus so why the hell are they being confined to barracks to protect a miniscule population of the UK? It's legalised idiocy.
The Baby Boomers had better be careful, although they can kiss goodbye to their pensions. The fight for their accrued wealth is now taking off. Welcome to the new world: not identity wars but generational wars. Look at the age of the US Presidents for goodness sake. It's going to change very quickly.
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Topic Originator: back oh the net
Date: Thu 18 Jun 01:41
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sammer, Thu 18 Jun 01:14
I'm saying it was essentially pointless and achieved little.
Had it been brought in quickly with a testing system then it might have been able to determine the healthy from the sick. Instead lockdown was introduced as a panic measure which has since panicked much of the UK population, save those who went on demonstrations and raves last weekend. It's a busted flush.
Young, healthy people know they can't be killed by the virus so why the hell are they being confined to barracks to protect a miniscule population of the UK? It's legalised idiocy.
The Baby Boomers had better be careful, although they can kiss goodbye to their pensions. The fight for their accrued wealth is now taking off. Welcome to the new world: not identity wars but generational wars. Look at the age of the US Presidents for goodness sake. It's going to change very quickly.
Wow you are insane think you have been living in Russia for to long mate
Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 18 Jun 08:19
Jesus wept. Where did you get your qualification in Public Health, Sammer? Did it come with a free toy? You should contact one of the analysts in Health Protection. They'll kindly explain to you why you're wrong.
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Topic Originator: Thaipar
Date: Thu 18 Jun 14:14
And our world leading tracing app has been ditched.
How utterly embarrassing for Johnson as at pmq's a few weeks back he boasted of our world leading or beating app which was to launch before June 1st. Now ditched and they have opted to use Apple and googles app.
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Topic Originator: wetherby
Date: Thu 18 Jun 14:59
As Thaipar says our " world leading " app which was due for launch in Mid May has been scrapped -another day another U turn by this incompetent shower of useless ........
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Thu 18 Jun 16:27
Didn't Cummings pal or something have something to do with that app?
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Thu 18 Jun 16:44
There were posts on social media saying his sister was a director of the company awarded the app contract but it turned out not to be true.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 18 Jun 18:04
You need to watch Parliament and the question to Hancock regarding the PPE contract, still waiting on an answer.
Contract tracing app is Dido Harding's baby, her that was head of Talk Talk when security was breached!
Connections to the Jockey Club and Cheltenham races, just keeps going on and on!!
Wonder who's painting his airplane at just under a million, something that Qatar Airways get done for £200K.
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Thu 18 Jun 19:20
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Thu 18 Jun 21:22
It's impossible to embarrass Johnson. He's got a world championship winning brass neck.
Post Edited (Thu 18 Jun 21:22)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 18 Jun 22:47
What's interesting is that the Government turned down Google and Apple as they didn't trust their approach (an approach far.more secure than what the Gov was developing btw). So either the Gov was wrong, or they're now saying it's fine to use an untrusted application...
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Fri 19 Jun 12:56
I heard from one of my colleagues in Germany this morning that for every death the EU shall pay money to that government. Is this true? Has anyone heard of such a system. This is something circulating German media about the quantity of deaths in Spain, Italy, UK.
I haven’t heard or seen anything in this country of such a system.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 19 Jun 13:08
Is the implication being that nations are exaggerating the death toll to get money from the EU? Sounds like nonsense if that is the implication.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Fri 19 Jun 14:31
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Fri 19 Jun 17:07
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Fri 19 Jun 13:08
Is the implication being that nations are exaggerating the death toll to get money from the EU? Sounds like nonsense if that is the implication.
Hi TOWK this was my thought when they told me that they were implying countries were boosting numbers. It is definitely circulating in Germany amongst the populous but when I asked where they got this information they were coy to tell me. I was surprised also as I thought at least something would have been said in the UK. Completely blind sided me.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 19 Jun 17:36
Given every death has been recorded slightly differently dependent on the country, I can't see how the EU could make a payment.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 19 Jun 18:05
Apple says it did not know the UK was working on a "hybrid" version of the NHS coronavirus contact-tracing app using tech it developed with Google.
The firm took the unusual step of saying it was also unaware of an issue regarding distance-measuring, which was flagged by Health Secretary Matt Hancock in Thursday's daily briefing.
Apple said it was "difficult to understand" the claims.
Downing Street said the government had "worked closely with Apple and Google".
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Fri 19 Jun 18:22
And Boris said "wibble" 🤣
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Fri 19 Jun 20:45
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/19/over-1000-deaths-day-uk-ministers-accused-downplaying-covid-19-peak?CMP=share_btn_fb
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 20 Jun 05:28
https://theferret.scot/scotland-covid-19-excess-deaths-rate/
Dunno if it Is fancy enough but it shows a graph measuring excess death rates.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 21 Jun 19:05
German R number rockets up to 2.78. A sign of things to come for many nations I fear.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 21 Jun 19:30
I think we have now come to a point where the economy, profit, and future business existence has taken necessity over health and safety
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Sun 21 Jun 21:04
Germany is a very unusual example in western Europe. I wouldn't read too much into the R number there at the moment.
I am still hopeful that a second (bad) wave might not necessarily occur in the UK as a whole. If a large proportion of the population is immune or partly immune thanks to coronaviruses they picked up in the last couple of years then a major second wave might not be possible. Local outbreaks can always happen, though.
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Sun 21 Jun 22:57
Week or so till we see rises here but after the mad demos etc it will probably happen.Already higher down south and our nutters will probably do the same in Glasgow area.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 21 Jun 23:44
Seems that rise in the R rate is due to infections in meat processing factories, quite high in Germany, also cases in Wales.
America has very high rates in the same industry, conclusion is that the virus can live in low temperatures.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 21 Jun 23:53
Experts are unsure as to why meat processing plants seems to a hot spot for virus infections but one theory is the chillers are helping to circulate the air with it any aerosol viral droplets.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 24 Jun 09:00
12 million for an app that won't be used....
Is just crap, is it because the tech us owned elsewhere or are they scared it'll show the true numbers?
Either way we're giving money away.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 24 Jun 09:15
Rasta I wonder if we will ever find out the true amount of money this government has wasted in preparation for Brexit and Covid dishing out useless contracts etc :(
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Topic Originator: back oh the net
Date: Wed 24 Jun 10:14
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 24 Jun 09:00
12 million for an app that won't be used....
Is just crap, is it because the tech us owned elsewhere or are they scared it'll show the true numbers?
Either way we're giving money away.
You forgot to add that the app going live would soon show its true intended purpose!!!
I’m not sure I am very comfortable with the idea of Dominic Cummings have that sort of data so readily available to him or anyone else from this tory government for that matter
Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Wed 24 Jun 10:26
Yeah it's a mad world when Google and Apple are more concerned about Data Privacy than your Government. Admittedly probably a financial bonus to them as well but still.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 24 Jun 19:04
It'll come as no surprise I wouldn't have been installing the now non existent app....
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Wed 24 Jun 22:32
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 24 Jun 23:04
The debate about the data happened a month or so and was utterly embarrassing from the UK Gov perspective. Genuinely have no faith whatsoever in this bunch. Time and time again they have ignored the advice of experts then gone down some random route based on what Cummings said or what their pal who just happens to know a guy who owns a company that could help happens to offer.
What's worse is how utterly inept our journalists are at exposing this. Perhaps that's not fair on them as they'll just be telling us what their owners want us to know/believe.
Edited to add link to story from 6 weeks ago(!) about why the UK Gov approach was stupid https://www.theregister.com/2020/05/05/uk_coronavirus_app/
Post Edited (Wed 24 Jun 23:08)
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 25 Jun 12:16
Well no more daily conferences from our UK government, Dominic has decided it's no good telling any more lies.
Boris doing it in Westminster now and not being pulled up for it!
Wonder if Jenrick scandal will come back and bite him on the bum?
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 25 Jun 20:46
Saw this earlier G.G. and appalled by it get ready for lockdown part 2 in August
But back nearer home The Meadows in Edinburgh, Portobello beach, North berwick Longniddry bents all packed Trains spewing passengers No public toilets open ..Camper vans, foreign number plates there has NEVER been a lockdown here ..I have seen 2 polis on fancy quad bikes once in April chasing folk who were not there on the beach as it was too cauld .. never seen an officer of the law since
Were doomed Captain Mainwaring
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 26 Jun 18:12
Bear in mind the pictures on the mainstream media were lifted from the 2018 air show....
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Stoo
Date: Sat 27 Jun 10:09
"Various social media posts have claimed a photograph showing a busy Bournemouth beach, with parasols, sunbathers and people in the sea, UK was taken on June 24, 2020. This claim is true, despite scepticism expressed by some users in response to the image."
Taken from Reuters Fact Check
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Sat 27 Jun 11:26
Quote:
Stoo, Sat 27 Jun 10:09
"Various social media posts have claimed a photograph showing a busy Bournemouth beach, with parasols, sunbathers and people in the sea, UK was taken on June 24, 2020. This claim is true, despite scepticism expressed by some users in response to the image."
Taken from Reuters Fact Check
If it wasn't someone went to a lot of trouble to make sure the government's covid 19 slogan was on the pier.
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Topic Originator: Stoo
Date: Sat 27 Jun 16:00
Just to confirm, the quote I posted AFFIRMS that the pictures in the media of Bournemouth beach WERE taken on the 24th of June 2020. Not earlier.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 27 Jun 16:16
Thanks for clarifying your earlier post Stoo. I read it three times and still wasn't sure 😂
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 27 Jun 17:05
So Scotland flatlining just now with deaths whilst England's totals are still high, wonder if the European holiday destinations will only welcome flights from Scottish airports?
What a stooshy that would cause!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 27 Jun 19:34
Would be pointless as folks from Newcastle regularly use Edinburgh airport (and vice versa) to get round the stupid Scottish/English school holidays.
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Topic Originator: Stoo
Date: Sun 28 Jun 15:44
Yeah it is a bit mealy mouthed, TOWK
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 28 Jun 20:27
Ah well, this will be interesting?
<https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/scotland/english-tourists-may-face-quarantine-in-scotland-if-cases-rise-south-of-the-border-l0k6th37c?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1593334723>
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 28 Jun 22:01
Worth reading the comments on twitter from the likes of Dave from Swindon who hasn't set foot in Scotland for 30 odd years and definitely won't now. Best comment is from an idiot in Banbury who is disgusted by this. Interesting given the comments about Banbury in the racism thread.
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Topic Originator: back oh the net
Date: Mon 29 Jun 06:43
Quote:
jake89, Sun 28 Jun 22:01
Worth reading the comments on twitter from the likes of Dave from Swindon who hasn't set foot in Scotland for 30 odd years and definitely won't now. Best comment is from an idiot in Banbury who is disgusted by this. Interesting given the comments about Banbury in the racism thread.
Good hope there are many more who decided not to set foot in Scotland
Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 29 Jun 08:51
Quote:
back oh the net, Mon 29 Jun 06:43
Quote:
jake89, Sun 28 Jun 22:01
Worth reading the comments on twitter from the likes of Dave from Swindon who hasn't set foot in Scotland for 30 odd years and definitely won't now. Best comment is from an idiot in Banbury who is disgusted by this. Interesting given the comments about Banbury in the racism thread.
Good hope there are many more who decided not to set foot in Scotland
Why?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 29 Jun 09:07
I would hope that answer relates to the virus but suspect it may not.
Personally, I think Scotland and other parts of the UK should be annexed whilst those areas with bad rates have time to reduce. There's been talk of increasing the lockdown in the Midlands as the rate there is high.
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Topic Originator: back oh the net
Date: Mon 29 Jun 14:37
Quote:
jake89, Mon 29 Jun 09:07
I would hope that answer relates to the virus but suspect it may not.
Personally, I think Scotland and other parts of the UK should be annexed whilst those areas with bad rates have time to reduce. There's been talk of increasing the lockdown in the Midlands as the rate there is high.
You are right it does relate to the virus Scotland looks to be the only part of the uk where we seem to be getting the better of this virus not sure I really want people from infected areas trooping up here for a wee day out or a holiday it’s taken Scotland long enough to get this far
Come on ye pars ⚽️
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 29 Jun 15:31
Quote:
back oh the net, Mon 29 Jun 14:37
Quote:
jake89, Mon 29 Jun 09:07
I would hope that answer relates to the virus but suspect it may not.
Personally, I think Scotland and other parts of the UK should be annexed whilst those areas with bad rates have time to reduce. There's been talk of increasing the lockdown in the Midlands as the rate there is high.
You are right it does relate to the virus Scotland looks to be the only part of the uk where we seem to be getting the better of this virus not sure I really want people from infected areas trooping up here for a wee day out or a holiday it’s taken Scotland long enough to get this far
To be fair, don't talk p*sh
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 29 Jun 17:41
Covid19 ....the resurgence
Evidence of a second spike in many Countries and indeed Cities in England Not surprising taking the current behaviour into consideration
Should we be stopping them coming into Alba ?.......YES
Are we stopping them ......No
Tourists are coming and going as they please
I fear the worst as Boris the Braves gung ho approach will only exacerbate the situation
When was the last time you did press ups in your suit trousers and dress shirt ??........Says it all really :)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 29 Jun 18:25
Think it looks like some areas of England may be locked down again. Of course if people in the UK actually listened to the rules rather than filling parks across the country then we'd be well ahead.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 29 Jun 18:39
jake89 Correct but I think some areas will end up most areas after some of the disgraceful disregaurd of the lockdown rules
Add into the equation the UK's late reaction to the virus and the too early relaxing of the restrictions then I think a second wave/lockdown is inevitable
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Topic Originator: dd23
Date: Mon 29 Jun 18:40
Boris is an absolute fud of the highest order and people are starting to see through his image and realise his total lack of leadership ability and strategy. If only the msm weren't in his back pocket he would never have got so far.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 29 Jun 19:17
You borderline bigots act like everyone down south has forgotten about covid and everyone up here is behaving absolutely sensibly.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 29 Jun 19:29
da no 1
There is a lot of truth in that and cannot argue there are as many idiots up here and the Meadows, Potobello, Longniddry and North Berwick will augment your statement
All public toilets closed ...Folk driving in and stepping off the train for a day out pissin and shittin on the beach, behind the health centre bushes and in residents gardens
Where is the Polis ? seen them once since March
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 29 Jun 20:08
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 29 Jun 19:17
You borderline bigots act like everyone down south has forgotten about covid and everyone up here is behaving absolutely sensibly.
You're missing the point. This isn't about saying one area has done better than the other (just look at all the fuds who had a party up Calaismuir woods a couple of weeks ago). It's about pointing out that rates are still going up in places like Leicester. The solution to this is to impose restrictions in that area to prevent a spread around the country. This is especially important during the summer holiday period.
The gutter press (Daily Heil) is trying to turn it into a Scotland hates England thing but it's about being sensible and seeking to avoid any spread from areas of England in the same way we should with other countries that still have high rates.
The people against this are probably the same ones demanding the UK closes it's borders to Chinese people.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Mon 29 Jun 20:49
Nailed it there Jake.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Mon 29 Jun 21:06
Quote:
londonparsfan, Mon 29 Jun 20:49
Nailed it there Jake.
Agree. It is too difficult to work out any scientific correlations without a viable tracing system. For example, it would be easy to say population density or ethnicity for Leicester, but without true scientific data it is all wild guesswork. Science works on 95% statistical probability. I would love to hear what the ONS is privately saying about this and what there probability predictions of the experts to government are.
Boris is a fud. How will we ever move forward with this guy in charge.
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Topic Originator: AJ27
Date: Mon 29 Jun 21:12
Da no 1 has a point though - twitter is awash with idiots demanding that we close the border to the English.
Scotland’s figures may be better but we have huge numbers of people completely ignoring the rules - most people seem to be acting like this has passed. Nicola says we should all wear face coverings in shops but only a tiny proportion of the population are complying with this - seems to me people love saying what a great job she’s doing but have no problem completely ignoring her if she asks us to do something that doesn’t suit us.
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Topic Originator: shrek par
Date: Mon 29 Jun 21:26
I fear the only reason we are in a better position is purely down to population density rather than better behaviours. Best example was a pals wife bemoaning the lack of social distancing in the supermarket, yet saying that she had travelled 15 miles for a walk because all the local places were busy.....
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 29 Jun 21:28
Population density argument is fairly weak. Most of Scotland lives in the central belt, which is very dense. Leith is the most densely populated area outside London.
I haven't looked at the figures but the virus seems to affect BAME people more. This would explain why places like Leicester are so badly affected.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 29 Jun 21:43
Ironic that we're considering banning tourists who contribute millions to the Scottish economy. Yet have hotels bursting at the seams with all kinds of nationalities. Weird.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 29 Jun 21:44
And that's it announced that Leicester is to be put under stricter restrictions.
I wonder what Ken from Banbury thinks about this. Should people from Leicester still be allowed to visit Banbury? In fairness, why would they visit!?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 29 Jun 21:45
Quote:
jake89, Mon 29 Jun 20:08
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 29 Jun 19:17
You borderline bigots act like everyone down south has forgotten about covid and everyone up here is behaving absolutely sensibly.
You're missing the point. This isn't about saying one area has done better than the other (just look at all the fuds who had a party up Calaismuir woods a couple of weeks ago). It's about pointing out that rates are still going up in places like Leicester. The solution to this is to impose restrictions in that area to prevent a spread around the country. This is especially important during the summer holiday period.
The gutter press (Daily Heil) is trying to turn it into a Scotland hates England thing but it's about being sensible and seeking to avoid any spread from areas of England in the same way we should with other countries that still have high rates.
The people against this are probably the same ones demanding the UK closes it's borders to Chinese people.
Breaking news Jake. Never mind an anti-Tory stance, which I have absolutely no issue with, there is a serious anti-English vibe on this thread. The Daily Mail isn't needed, we're already there.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 29 Jun 22:11
I can only see one post that could be argued to be anti-English. Though it appears to be suggested that the poster intended their comments in terms of not wanting infected people crossing the border. Whether that was their intent or not is only known by them.
Failing to see any other potential anti-English posts unless you want to mark them all?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 29 Jun 22:14
Quote:
jake89, Mon 29 Jun 22:11
I can only see one post that could be argued to be anti-English. Though it appears to be suggested that the poster intended their comments in terms of not wanting infected people crossing the border. Whether that was their intent or not is only known by them.
Failing to see any other potential anti-English posts unless you want to mark them all?
No well you wouldn't, would you?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Mon 29 Jun 22:20
That's because they don't exist.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Mon 29 Jun 22:28
You can bet your bottom dollar in the virus was running out of control in Scotland Boris and Co would restrict travel for the Northern savages and gleefully taunt the SNP about how incompetent they are.
Why should Scotland just accept free travel from England if it might cause another spike up here?
Other countries have similar issues and have restrictions in place.
The UK Gov should be actively discouraging people to travel up here.
Have they ? No
Therein lies the problem.
They would be happy to see a spike up here.
Can’t have NS and the dastardly Scottish Government outshining the Buffoon and his cohorts now can we ?
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 29 Jun 22:29
It's strange that the Mayor of Leicester doesn't know that his City is in crisis, he was seemingly informed by e-mail at 1.00am this morning!
Government haven't disclosed the figures that this lockdown is based on???
Extra testing was mentioned in the cases rising, once again no figures revealed!
Boris saying that lockdown will follow example set in Weston super mare, who say they never had an extended lockdown ??
Couldn't make this up!!🤡🤡🤡
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 29 Jun 22:42
Quote:
desparado, Mon 29 Jun 22:28
You can bet your bottom dollar in the virus was running out of control in Scotland Boris and Co would restrict travel for the Northern savages and gleefully taunt the SNP about how incompetent they are.
Why should Scotland just accept free travel from England if it might cause another spike up here?
Other countries have similar issues and have restrictions in place.
The UK Gov should be actively discouraging people to travel up here.
Have they ? No
Therein lies the problem.
They would be happy to see a spike up here.
Can’t have NS and the dastardly Scottish Government outshining the Buffoon and his cohorts now can we ?
See, anti English.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 29 Jun 22:51
That doesn't feel anti-English, it's stating an opinion. A questionable opinion but still just an opinion.
Could you go through each offending post and explain where and why you feel it is anti-English? I'm trying to understand your view but struggling.
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Mon 29 Jun 22:53
da no 1.
If you think my post is anti English then you need to lie down in a darkened room.
I am certainly anti Tory and anti Boris and yes anti WM.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 29 Jun 23:01
Quote:
Thaipar, Sun 7 Jun 14:25
No new deaths today. 1st time since the reporting started.
Meanwhile In Engurland still over 200 reported today.
It started here.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 29 Jun 23:02
Quote:
desparado, Mon 29 Jun 22:53
da no 1.
If you think my post is anti English then you need to lie down in a darkened room.
I am certainly anti Tory and anti Boris and yes anti WM.
And obviously anti English.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: AJ27
Date: Mon 29 Jun 23:05
Mayor of Leicester certainly knew about the discussions around possibly re-entering lockdown prior to 1 am this morning - I read lengthy comments from him about it yesterday!!
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Mon 29 Jun 23:13
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 29 Jun 23:15
Quote:
BigJPar, Mon 29 Jun 23:13
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 29 Jun 23:03
Quote:
GG Riva, Thu 25 Jun 20:02
Lockdown, what lockdown?
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/amp/bournemouth-major-incident-beaches-scli-intl-gbr/index.html
Plenty photos of this type of incident in Scotland yet this poster picks this one.
You've obviously got some sort of agenda. Desperately trying to twist posts to suit your opinion that others are anti english.
I'VE got an agenda??? You must be joking eh?! I just recognize underlying bigotry when I see it
And I was invited to prove my point. So you can politely do one
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Mon 29 Jun 23:17)
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Topic Originator: Thaipar
Date: Mon 29 Jun 23:28
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 29 Jun 23:01
Quote:
Thaipar, Sun 7 Jun 14:25
No new deaths today. 1st time since the reporting started.
Meanwhile In Engurland still over 200 reported today.
It started here.
Where is the anti English?
I think you think I've pumped your husband at some point.
Post Edited (Mon 29 Jun 23:33)
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 29 Jun 23:33
Quote:
Thaipar, Mon 29 Jun 23:28
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 29 Jun 23:01
Quote:
Thaipar, Sun 7 Jun 14:25
No new deaths today. 1st time since the reporting started.
Meanwhile In Engurland still over 200 reported today.
It started here.
Where is the anti English?
I'm sorry. You just can't spell. My mistake
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles
Date: Mon 29 Jun 23:36
I take it some people are conveniently forgetting some of the Disguisting scenes over the last few days in our country. The volume of people gathering in the Meadows and Portobello, fighting, littering, urinating etc. I live 5 minutes from Portobello beach and it has been a disgrace over the last week or two with idiots and i don't use that term lightly not giving a flying f about rules, restrictions or social distance and doing what the hell they want.
Spin your political pash whatever way you want but trying to take some moral high ground over the English over this is wrong, sad and pathetic.
Awight Pat!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 29 Jun 23:40
There's my point right there.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Thaipar
Date: Mon 29 Jun 23:41
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 29 Jun 23:33
Quote:
Thaipar, Mon 29 Jun 23:28
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 29 Jun 23:01
Quote:
Thaipar, Sun 7 Jun 14:25
No new deaths today. 1st time since the reporting started.
Meanwhile In Engurland still over 200 reported today.
It started here.
Where is the anti English?
I'm sorry. You just can't spell. My mistake
And where is the anti English, I will ask you again
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 29 Jun 23:45
At risk of being accused of being anti-English I noted that analysis on the BBC News tonight demonstrated that the UK had suffered more deaths per 100,000 than any other country, apart from Spain. However, if Scotland, Wales and N Ireland were excluded from the UK figures, then England on its own exceeded Spain. I think that was based on 'excess deaths' which is generally considered to be the most reliable measurement of deaths attributable to the coronavirus pandemic.
When the pandemic reached the UK I anticipated we wouldn't be hit as hard as lots of other countries because we would benefit from the experience of other countries which had already reached their peaks and tailor our approach accordingly. On the other hand, I expected that, within the UK, Scotland would fare worst as people with underlying health conditions were known to be most vulnerable to the virus and Scotland was generally acknowledged to be 'the sick man of Europe'. For some reason neither of these things came to pass.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 29 Jun 23:47
Quote:
Thaipar, Mon 29 Jun 23:41
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 29 Jun 23:33
Quote:
Thaipar, Mon 29 Jun 23:28
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 29 Jun 23:01
Quote:
Thaipar, Sun 7 Jun 14:25
No new deaths today. 1st time since the reporting started.
Meanwhile In Engurland still over 200 reported today.
It started here.
Where is the anti English?
I'm sorry. You just can't spell. My mistake
And where is the anti English, I will ask you again
FFS your spelling "Engurland" rather than the correct spelling "England' is a pathetic attempt to portray the whole country as moronic knuckle dragging cavemen because of their supposed nationwide inability to abide by lockdown rules thus falling behind in the .net Covid 19 league table.
Got it?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 29 Jun 23:49
Weeeck why split the UK? Pointless statistic.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Thaipar
Date: Mon 29 Jun 23:50
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da_no_1, Mon 29 Jun 23:47
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Thaipar, Mon 29 Jun 23:41
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da_no_1, Mon 29 Jun 23:33
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Thaipar, Mon 29 Jun 23:28
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Thaipar, Sun 7 Jun 14:25
No new deaths today. 1st time since the reporting started.
Meanwhile In Engurland still over 200 reported today.
It started here.
Where is the anti English?
I'm sorry. You just can't spell. My mistake
And where is the anti English, I will ask you again
FFS your spelling "Engurland" rather than the correct spelling "England' is a pathetic attempt to portray the whole country as moronic knuckle dragging cavemen because of their supposed nationwide inability to abide by lockdown rules thus falling behind in the .net Covid 19 league table.
Got it?
3rd time, where is the anti English ya muppet.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 29 Jun 23:52
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Thaipar, Mon 29 Jun 23:50
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da_no_1, Mon 29 Jun 23:47
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Thaipar, Mon 29 Jun 23:41
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da_no_1, Mon 29 Jun 23:33
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Thaipar, Mon 29 Jun 23:28
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da_no_1, Mon 29 Jun 23:01
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Thaipar, Sun 7 Jun 14:25
No new deaths today. 1st time since the reporting started.
Meanwhile In Engurland still over 200 reported today.
It started here.
Where is the anti English?
I'm sorry. You just can't spell. My mistake
And where is the anti English, I will ask you again
FFS your spelling "Engurland" rather than the correct spelling "England' is a pathetic attempt to portray the whole country as moronic knuckle dragging cavemen because of their supposed nationwide inability to abide by lockdown rules thus falling behind in the .net Covid 19 league table.
Got it?
3rd time, where is the anti English ya muppet.
I give up
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 30 Jun 00:10
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Frank Butchers LoveHandles, Mon 29 Jun 23:36
I take it some people are conveniently forgetting some of the Disguisting scenes over the last few days in our country. The volume of people gathering in the Meadows and Portobello, fighting, littering, urinating etc. I live 5 minutes from Portobello beach and it has been a disgrace over the last week or two with idiots and i don't use that term lightly not giving a flying f about rules, restrictions or social distance and doing what the hell they want.
Spin your political pash whatever way you want but trying to take some moral high ground over the English over this is wrong, sad and pathetic.
It's not about whose been better behaved under the lockdown conditions or some imaginary moral high ground it's about where the risks are. The virus relies on the movement of people to be able to transmit itself. If we have got it under more control than the rest of the UK then the rest of the UK poses more of a risk to us then we do to them. Same for other countries such as the US and Brazil. The best way to stop infections being reintroduced or spread is to limit infected people coming into your country. Because of our proximity and land border England probably represents the biggest risk vs the likes of Brazil where there will be far fewer possibly no people travelling from. That's not really a contentious point or it shouldn't be.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 30 Jun 00:15
I'd be very surprised if we don't see similar spikes in Scotland in the next few weeks sadly
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 30 Jun 00:23
We might well do and let's say things get far worse up here and England get things under control then I'd have no beef with them discussing closing the border.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 30 Jun 01:26
Yeah I can see that going down well up here...…...
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 30 Jun 03:56
I agree with londonparsfan. It is not a complex issue; if you can reduce the transmission of the virus by applying hard borders, however temporary, then it is a beneficial move.
There is nothing racist going on here; that is just nonsense.
Right now in Australia, you cannot travel between the different states for the very same reason. The borders are closed except for essential transport. People understand and generally support the rationale behind that move.
Given the imbalance in the number of COVID cases between the two countries, surely it would be sensible for similar temporary restrictions to be applied at Scotland's border with England?
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 30 Jun 05:54
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londonparsfan, Tue 30 Jun 00:23
We might well do and let's say things get far worse up here and England get things under control then I'd have no beef with them discussing closing the border.
I think shutting the border would be a largely pointless and antagonistic move. Shutting down cities or regions would be much more beneficial.
But it needs to be a proper lockdown. Not this "we recommend that you do not travel" pihs. This attitude is costing lives again. The situation in Leicester hasnt happened by magic. People have clearly not been following the very clear instructions. One guy was saying it was because his community dont have English their first language....aye, right. More like enough people dont give a ****.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 30 Jun 06:41
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da_no_1, Mon 29 Jun 23:03
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GG Riva, Thu 25 Jun 20:02
Lockdown, what lockdown?
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/amp/bournemouth-major-incident-beaches-scli-intl-gbr/index.html
Plenty photos of this type of incident in Scotland yet this poster picks this one.
Woah, right there, da.no. 1. I suggest you stick to the football forum, where you often make a lot of sense, cos you're well wide of the mark on this thread.
I didn't "use that pic." I copied and pasted a CNN report which highlighted the casual, care free attitude adopted by tens of thousands flocking to the beaches along England's south coast and widely reported on the BBC national news that weekend.
My comment was a parody ofJim Callaghan's notorious reply, when he came back from a midwinter Carribean holiday, to a pertinent question from a journalist waiting at the airport. The UK was a country in crisis in the late 70s but the PM appeared blissfully unaware of it.
Eta. I'm Italian born, so presumably, if I'd posted a pic of a Scottish location, you would still have labelled me as "racist"? If it's any consolation, there are plenty of Italian idiots flocking to Italian beaches up and down the country, as Italy is currently experiencing some hot sunny weather, so topping up their tan is a priority for the hard of thinking.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 30 Jun 07:17
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OzPar, Tue 30 Jun 03:56
I agree with londonparsfan. It is not a complex issue; if you can reduce the transmission of the virus by applying hard borders, however temporary, then it is a beneficial move.
There is nothing racist going on here; that is just nonsense.
Right now in Australia, you cannot travel between the different states for the very same reason. The borders are closed except for essential transport. People understand and generally support the rationale behind that move.
Given the imbalance in the number of COVID cases between the two countries, surely it would be sensible for similar temporary restrictions to be applied at Scotland's border with England?
Is there that big an imbalance, if we go by deaths per head of population? Obviously the last few days of zero deaths here are good to see but we're not free of covid-19 it's still out there so shutting our borders seems pointless.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Tue 30 Jun 07:48
Shutting borders worked pretty well for New Zealand.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 30 Jun 07:59
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da_no_1, Tue 30 Jun 07:17
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OzPar, Tue 30 Jun 03:56
I agree with londonparsfan. It is not a complex issue; if you can reduce the transmission of the virus by applying hard borders, however temporary, then it is a beneficial move.
There is nothing racist going on here; that is just nonsense.
Right now in Australia, you cannot travel between the different states for the very same reason. The borders are closed except for essential transport. People understand and generally support the rationale behind that move.
Given the imbalance in the number of COVID cases between the two countries, surely it would be sensible for similar temporary restrictions to be applied at Scotland's border with England?
Is there that big an imbalance, if we go by deaths per head of population? Obviously the last few days of zero deaths here are good to see but we're not free of covid-19 it's still out there so shutting our borders seems pointless.
Why do you want to use the "per head of population" measurement? I suggest it's rather irrelevant in this context. If significant numbers of people from England come to Scotland for a holiday rather going abroad, some of them will perhaps unknowingly bring the virus with them and contribute to an increase in the infection rate here. Why should Scotland risk a second wave, having successfully managed to get the numbers down to current levels by largely following Scottish Government guidelines?
I'd also appreciate a reply to my previous post on this thread, since you called my motive into question.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 30 Jun 08:02
People are mixing up issues. People breaching lockdown rules is only relevant if there is a suddenly increase in spread. There are idiots all.across the UK, but moreso in England simply due to the fact there are 10x more idiots there.
The reason for seeking to lockdown travel to Scotland is that there have been so few deaths in recent weeks.
If we want to see real anti-something or racism then look no further than comments about Leicester. People suggesting it's linked to the end of Eid or people not speaking English. The sad reality is that BAME people are more susceptible.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 30 Jun 08:07
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moviescot, Tue 30 Jun 07:48
Shutting borders worked pretty well for New Zealand.
Aye...and locking down cities and regions worked well in China. The NZ and Scottish border is a bit different.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 30 Jun 08:49
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ipswichpar, Tue 30 Jun 05:54
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londonparsfan, Tue 30 Jun 00:23
We might well do and let's say things get far worse up here and England get things under control then I'd have no beef with them discussing closing the border.
I think shutting the border would be a largely pointless and antagonistic move. Shutting down cities or regions would be much more beneficial.
But it needs to be a proper lockdown. Not this "we recommend that you do not travel" pihs. This attitude is costing lives again. The situation in Leicester hasnt happened by magic. People have clearly not been following the very clear instructions. One guy was saying it was because his community dont have English their first language....aye, right. More like enough people dont give a ****.
It would cause aggro but I'm not sure it would be entirely pointless when you lack mass testing that better allows you to target the infected only.
A block at country level would mean you dont have to worry about any new cases coming your way (theoretically at least. I'm sure there will probably be some exceptions and some small numbers would be allowed to cross for various reasons) and it should be easier to manage than trying to verify which cities people have really come from. You'd also have questions about people working in one city that's not infected but work in another and would you want to limit their movement and if you do, how on earth do you check that?
The blanket ban also has obvious problems. You'll be stopping more non infected than infected travelling so it will be unfair on many and you'll have an economic loss. You'd also still have to verify people's claims when crossing the border that they are using an exception and how do you manage that without any border checks? It would be a logistical nightmare as I doubt there would be anyway you could stop everyone coming up the M6 and M1 (let alone every other minor road) to determine whether they should be crossing.
I'm not saying I'm in favour of shutting the border by the way, my main point was that you can understand why it would be a potential option and it's certainly not anti English to consider it. I wouldn't consider it anti Scottish in reverse. One of the biggest failings we made (UK level) was to implement travel restrictions on high risk countries so it would be daft to repeat the mistakes once you might be getting on top of it.
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Tue 30 Jun 09:01
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da_no_1, Mon 29 Jun 23:47
to portray the whole country as moronic knuckle dragging cavemen because of their supposed nationwide inability to abide by lockdown rules thus falling behind in the .net Covid 19 league table.
This the most anti-English quote in this whole thread..........
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Tue 30 Jun 09:16
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ipswichpar, Tue 30 Jun 08:07
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moviescot, Tue 30 Jun 07:48
Shutting borders worked pretty well for New Zealand.
Aye...and locking down cities and regions worked well in China. The NZ and Scottish border is a bit different.
But if the UK had locked down like New Zealand where would we be now. Hiw did our main advantage (being an island) not seem to help us?
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 30 Jun 09:27
''Topic Originator: da_no_1 like | nolike
Date: Mon 29 Jun 23:49
Wee eck why split the UK? Pointless statistic.''
That's a question for the BBC rather than for me as it was their analysis. Presumably they thought it would be of interest to viewers. It seemed a reasonable thing to do given that Health is a devolved responsibility within the UK.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 30 Jun 09:37
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alwaysaPar, Tue 30 Jun 09:01
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da_no_1, Mon 29 Jun 23:47
to portray the whole country as moronic knuckle dragging cavemen because of their supposed nationwide inability to abide by lockdown rules thus falling behind in the .net Covid 19 league table.
This the most anti-English quote in this whole thread..........
Don't be stupid
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 30 Jun 10:15
If you want some good analysis, check the Ferret.
The biggest issue with covid death recording is that every country has done it differently.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 30 Jun 10:18
That's why the excess deaths comparison is quite useful.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 30 Jun 10:28
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GG Riva, Tue 30 Jun 06:41
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da_no_1, Mon 29 Jun 23:03
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GG Riva, Thu 25 Jun 20:02
Lockdown, what lockdown?
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/amp/bournemouth-major-incident-beaches-scli-intl-gbr/index.html
Plenty photos of this type of incident in Scotland yet this poster picks this one.
Woah, right there, da.no. 1. I suggest you stick to the football forum, where you often make a lot of sense, cos you're well wide of the mark on this thread.
I didn't "use that pic." I copied and pasted a CNN report which highlighted the casual, care free attitude adopted by tens of thousands flocking to the beaches along England's south coast and widely reported on the BBC national news that weekend.
My comment was a parody ofJim Callaghan's notorious reply, when he came back from a midwinter Carribean holiday, to a pertinent question from a journalist waiting at the airport. The UK was a country in crisis in the late 70s but the PM appeared blissfully unaware of it.
Eta. I'm Italian born, so presumably, if I'd posted a pic of a Scottish location, you would still have labelled me as "racist"? If it's any consolation, there are plenty of Italian idiots flocking to Italian beaches up and down the country, as Italy is currently experiencing some hot sunny weather, so topping up their tan is a priority for the hard of thinking.
I don't know who you think you are but you're not in charge of a class now, I'll contribute where I see fit, thanks.
I may be wrong but i didn't use the word racism, I'd call it underlying casual anti-English bigotry.
Fair enough it wasn't deliberate in your part perhaps, but I felt it contributed to the direction I believe this thread has taken. In my opinion, certain posters seem to be revelling in the relatively low numbers of deaths/cases here in Scotland constantly comparing it to England like it's some sort of competition.
Not that it matters, but FWIW my dad is English, not Engurlish so I won't apologise for my comments.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 30 Jun 10:59
It's not a competition but as I said earlier you need to know where your risks are. I'm not sure we're out the woods either and I can also see a bounce back in cases as well but, if we are getting a hold on our numbers, then citizens of any country represents a risk of reintroducing greater numbers of the virus back into Scotland.
England are by no means the worst currently but they have been amongst the worst historically because of the p!ss poor leadership they've had through this. Scotland has also been pretty bad relative to countries that have handled this well but have still had less deaths than England. That's not anti English and I don't think anyone has treated that as a competition between Scotland and England but I do think people have thought the leadership in England often representing the UK have handled this badly. I've put loads of posts up criticising the Government. You don't need to be an expert in Covid to be able to read about the measures that countries that have handled this well have implemented and compare it to what we've done.
If England make changes that begin to allow the virus to spread again quicker than it does in Scotland then it's not anti English to point that out. My dad is English as well.
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Tue 30 Jun 11:01
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da_no_1, Tue 30 Jun 09:37
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alwaysaPar, Tue 30 Jun 09:01
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da_no_1, Mon 29 Jun 23:47
to portray the whole country as moronic knuckle dragging cavemen because of their supposed nationwide inability to abide by lockdown rules thus falling behind in the .net Covid 19 league table.
This the most anti-English quote in this whole thread..........
Don't be stupid
Hahaha, love the irony....
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Tue 30 Jun 11:06
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Tue 30 Jun 11:22
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BigJPar, Tue 30 Jun 11:06
Thread been hijacked by someone with a massive chip on his shoulder jumping, nay leaping to massive conclusions. Shame really.
Yep there is a big difference between schadenfreude and thinking thank f those numbers/events are happening elsewhere but it’s still too close for comfort because I fear for my own friends and family safety - which is what most of the replies here seem motivated by
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 30 Jun 14:50
''I don't know who you think you are but you're not in charge of a class now, I'll contribute where I see fit, thanks.
I may be wrong but i didn't use the word racism, I'd call it underlying casual anti-English bigotry.
Fair enough it wasn't deliberate in your part perhaps, but I felt it contributed to the direction I believe this thread has taken. In my opinion, certain posters seem to be revelling in the relatively low numbers of deaths/cases here in Scotland constantly comparing it to England like it's some sort of competition.
Not that it matters, but FWIW my dad is English, not Engurlish so I won't apologise for my comments.''
I know who I am, but if you're basing your character assessment solely on the posts I contribute to these forums, you're unlikely to come to a valid conclusion. If you speak to those who do know me well (and there are plenty of my FPs who post on here) I'm confident they'll advise how accurate your perceptions are.
You're correct in saying that you didn't use the word racism, but given that the English are descended mainly from Anglo Saxon stock, whereas the Scots ancestors were mostly Celts, then being anti-English would be more accurately described as racist, since bigotry is usually associated as intolerance of other groups because of religious or cultural differences. Examples of bigotry are rife in Northern Ireland, where essentially Republicans and Loyalists are of the same race.
You're certainly entitled to your views and opinions and are perfectly welcome to contribute on any forum you like, but if others don't agree with you you or feel that you've misinterpreted their post - as I did - then you must be prepared to be taken to task about it. My ''advice'' about sticking to the football forum was a whimsical suggestion - perhaps I should have added a :-) but I didn't think it was necessary. I've often sided with you in debates on there.
You may not have liked my posts on this thread, but if you go through it you will see that no posters appear to have any issues with them, whereas yours have been politely but firmly addressed by some (like the erudite LPF) and vigorously attacked by others. I don't believe you have a chip on your shoulder but to some it appears that way. Revealing that you have an English dad has clinched it for them, but to me that's irrelevant.
I hope we will be able to continue to discuss and debate the football and non-football issues of the day, without resorting to snide comments in future.
Eta. I wasn't looking for an apology from you or anybody else. I'm a big boy and I can take any flak going. :-)
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 30 Jun 15:01
GG that's a fair enough reply. I'm done with this thread tho. Take it easy 👍
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 30 Jun 15:18
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moviescot, Tue 30 Jun 09:16
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ipswichpar, Tue 30 Jun 08:07
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moviescot, Tue 30 Jun 07:48
Shutting borders worked pretty well for New Zealand.
Aye...and locking down cities and regions worked well in China. The NZ and Scottish border is a bit different.
But if the UK had locked down like New Zealand where would we be now. Hiw did our main advantage (being an island) not seem to help us?
I agree. But Scotland isn't an island.
Last thing this needs is everybody pulling in different directions. That probably says more about WM government though.
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Topic Originator: shrek par
Date: Tue 30 Jun 15:48
My sister lives just outside Salisbury and has two disabled 20 yr olds with various issues. It was decided to take them into town with the correct protocols and protections to cheer them up after a suggestion by their doctor . As you can imagine it's like an expedition with the amount of kit plus wheelchairs. They went round the weekly market(one of their favourite things to do) as a group (sis/carer/ lads) and were not going quick enough for some folk , two clowns actually spat on them and some others were abusive and downright nasty. The fella they normally get their veg from seen this happen and served them as usual and refused to take payment because of the way others had treated them. He also took her number and drops off what she needs at the house now and she leaves money out the front for him. It just seems to bring the worst out of some folk and the best from others. Although the self justification in spitting on a disabled person must be a somewhat complicated moral minefield. Been down there a few times and it's normally a fairly gentile sleepy town of the Waitrose and blue rinse brigade.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 30 Jun 16:21
^^^^^^ What an absolutely shocking revelation about life in Salisbury for your sister and her disabled family, shrek. As you say, it must take an especially moronic mind to spit on someone in a wheelchair. It's the kind of thing I'd happily bring back the birch for and I'm no right wing nut job.
I obviously don't know about your sister's situation than you've revealed above, but in her shoes, I wouldn't want to live there if at all possible.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 30 Jun 16:22
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da_no_1, Tue 30 Jun 15:01
GG that's a fair enough reply. I'm done with this thread tho. Take it easy 👍
No worries, mate. Life's too short to get wound up about a few posts on a forum. 😍
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 30 Jun 16:56
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GG Riva, Tue 30 Jun 16:21
^^^^^^ What an absolutely shocking revelation about life in Salisbury for your sister and her disabled family, shrek. As you say, it must take an especially moronic mind to spit on someone in a wheelchair. It's the kind of thing I'd happily bring back the birch for and I'm no right wing nut job.
I obviously don't know about your sister's situation than you've revealed above, but in her shoes, I wouldn't want to live there if at all possible.
I think, unfortunately, this would be more widespread than we would all like to admit. Not saying it is common but scum exists everywhere.
I'm really sorry for what your sister and her family had to go through shrek. Top stuff from the market guy...hopefully he has given her some faith in humanity.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 30 Jun 18:46
At one point it looked like this was going to develop into a 'My dad's more English than your dad' argument. Thank goodness it's calmed down.
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Topic Originator: shrek par
Date: Tue 30 Jun 19:09
It is totally out of the norm for there it's a really easy going place and the folk are normally lovely, the odd skanky weasel like anywhere else but not expected.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Tue 30 Jun 20:07
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ipswichpar, Tue 30 Jun 15:18
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moviescot, Tue 30 Jun 09:16
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ipswichpar, Tue 30 Jun 08:07
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moviescot, Tue 30 Jun 07:48
Shutting borders worked pretty well for New Zealand.
Aye...and locking down cities and regions worked well in China. The NZ and Scottish border is a bit different.
But if the UK had locked down like New Zealand where would we be now. Hiw did our main advantage (being an island) not seem to help us?
I agree. But Scotland isn't an island.
Last thing this needs is everybody pulling in different directions. That probably says more about WM government though.
Where did I say Scotland was an island. UK us (mostly) an island. That's the point
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Tue 30 Jun 21:41
Of course they are. They have lied all the way through this pandemic.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 30 Jun 21:53
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 30 Jun 18:46
At one point it looked like this was going to develop into a 'My dad's more English than your dad' argument. Thank goodness it's calmed down.
I've shut my puss, wee eck, maybe you could try it for once. Grow up
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 30 Jun 22:43
Maybe you take yourself and the comments on here too seriously, telling folk they're stupid or to shut up or grow up. Have a look at yourself first.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 30 Jun 22:59
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wee eck, Tue 30 Jun 22:43
Maybe you take yourself and the comments on here too seriously, telling folk they're stupid or to shut up or grow up. Have a look at yourself first.
That comment was really immature if you meant it and not even remotely funny if that was an attempt at humour.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 30 Jun 23:15
Put the rod away ffs.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 30 Jun 23:16
Immature? Pot, kettle, black.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Wed 1 Jul 00:05
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 30 Jun 18:46
At one point it looked like this was going to develop into a 'My dad's more English than your dad' argument. Thank goodness it's calmed down.
That's a race to the bottom nobody would want to win.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 1 Jul 00:08
Quote:
londonparsfan, Wed 1 Jul 00:05
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 30 Jun 18:46
At one point it looked like this was going to develop into a 'My dad's more English than your dad' argument. Thank goodness it's calmed down.
That's a race to the bottom nobody would want to win.
Why?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Wed 1 Jul 00:11
That was a bit of light hearted banter at England's expense.
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Topic Originator: Thaipar
Date: Wed 1 Jul 00:14
Quote:
londonparsfan, Wed 1 Jul 00:11
That was a bit of light hearted banter at England's expense.
How very dare you 😊😊
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 1 Jul 08:23
US President Donald Trump's administration has secured almost all the world's upcoming supply of the drug remdesivir. The drug, produced by the firm Gilead Sciences, is the first approved by authorities in the US to be used to treat Covid-19.
It has been shown to help people recover faster from the disease.
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Wed 1 Jul 08:54
Quote:
da_no_1, Wed 1 Jul 00:08
Quote:
londonparsfan, Wed 1 Jul 00:05
Quote:
wee eck, Tue 30 Jun 18:46
At one point it looked like this was going to develop into a 'My dad's more English than your dad' argument. Thank goodness it's calmed down.
That's a race to the bottom nobody would want to win.
Why?
LPF,
You might be getting accused of being anti-ancestry soon.....
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Wed 1 Jul 09:27
My mum's already shamed the family 😉
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 1 Jul 12:01
The figures are certainly falsified, nobody much has died of much else since it started.
Hit by a bus...COVID.
Cancer....COVID.
Diabetes....COVID.
Need more?
We're being engineered, conned.....and as per usual the rich are still making the money.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 1 Jul 12:43
That's in very poor taste, Rasta. I hope no one who has lost someone to any of these causes reads that. Yesterday I was nearby when a wee boy of 3 was killed by a car mounting the pavement in Edinburgh. - his life snuffed out in a trice. It just showed how fickle life - and death - can be.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Wed 1 Jul 12:45
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 1 Jul 12:01
The figures are certainly falsified, nobody much has died of much else since it started.
Hit by a bus...COVID.
Cancer....COVID.
Diabetes....COVID.
Need more?
We're being engineered, conned.....and as per usual the rich are still making the money.
Completely wrong I'm afraid and easy to check. There are issues with the Covid reporting but the ONS figures record all the other forms of death and there are no significant drops in any other form of death.
Edited to add: the significant increase in body count means that it's extremely likely authorities globally have done the opposite and tried to downplay the number of deaths.
Post Edited (Wed 01 Jul 12:53)
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Wed 1 Jul 15:10
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 1 Jul 12:01
The figures are certainly falsified, nobody much has died of much else since it started.
Hit by a bus...COVID.
Cancer....COVID.
Diabetes....COVID.
Need more?
We're being engineered, conned.....and as per usual the rich are still making the money.
Duh
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 3 Jul 20:07
The easing of lockdown restrictions in England on Saturday is the "biggest step yet on the road to recovery", the prime minister has said.
Does Boris the Brave not read or listen to the news ? or his health advisors ?
Is he talking about health recovery or economic recovery ?
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 3 Jul 21:35
Quote:
Buspasspar, Fri 3 Jul 20:07
The easing of lockdown restrictions in England on Saturday is the "biggest step yet on the road to recovery", the prime minister has said.
Does Boris the Brave not read or listen to the news ? or his health advisors ?
Is he talking about health recovery or economic recovery ?
I hope this doesn't come back to bite him on the bum, big style. Much as I dislike him, his party and their politics, that would mean that many more innocent people would die.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Fri 3 Jul 22:54
The way it's going I think they are back doing the evil Doms herd immunity plan undercover.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 3 Jul 23:22
How does the easing of lockdown in the UK compare with other European nations which were hit hard by covid such as Italy and Spain?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: AJ27
Date: Fri 3 Jul 23:30
Why on earth are staff in banks, shops etc being forced to wear a face mask for hours on end from next Friday? - they’ve been perfectly ok without them for the last 13 weeks when the so called deadly disease was much more prevalent. Sometimes I think she just delights in coming across as a bit tougher as the much maligned Boris (not that I wouldn’t do the same in her position).
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 4 Jul 06:54
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Fri 3 Jul 23:22
How does the easing of lockdown in the UK compare with other European nations which were hit hard by covid such as Italy and Spain?
That's a very pertinent question, TOWK. Italy is about a week ahead of England in that respect and I believe the situation is similar in Spain but I can't vouch for it. Of course, the Mediterranean countries are desperate to avoid missing out on the tourist trade, which is such a major employer for them and consequently a huge contributed to their GDP.
Eta. It goes without saying that decisions based on a perceived necessity, aren't always for the best......
Not your average Sunday League player.
Post Edited (Sat 04 Jul 07:35)
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 4 Jul 08:21
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Fri 3 Jul 23:22
How does the easing of lockdown in the UK compare with other European nations which were hit hard by covid such as Italy and Spain?
Watch some videos, life largely back to normal while we kept like lab rats.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 6 Jul 10:55
Face masks mandatory when in shops from later this week. I got into habit this weekend and have no problem doing so but I can imagine many won't do it. Nicola Sturgeon has said she doesn't expect shop staff to enforce the rule so it'll be interesting to see how the shops handle this.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 6 Jul 11:30
Many of the staff in shops don't wear them just now but presumably they'll have to from Friday. I heard one check-out woman telling a customer this morning she didn't wear one because it messed up her lipstick!
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Mon 6 Jul 20:17
Great planning on air bridges.
Only 25 countries on government lists aimed at restarting foreign holidays are accessible for English visitors, according to new analysis.
As PA Media reports, last week the Department for Transport (DfT) named 74 countries and territories from where people will not need to quarantine if they return to or visit England from Friday. The Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) published a separate list of 67 destinations which are exempt from its advisory against all non-essential travel.
But analysis by travel consultancy The PC Agency and consumer research agency AudienceNet found that just 25 locations included on the lists do not have border controls that stop English visitors entering. Others are either closed to international flights or impossible to enter without quarantine or coronavirus testing, according to the analysis, PA Media reports.
I think you can change the English to British in the report.
Post Edited (Mon 06 Jul 20:19)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 6 Jul 22:22
Ignore me. Missed last line.
Post Edited (Mon 06 Jul 22:23)
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 7 Jul 08:18
My home state here in Australia, Victoria, will return to full lockdown tomorrow midnight under a ruling that will stay in place for the next six weeks.
We came out of lockdown barely three weeks ago.
For the first time in 100 years, the border between Victoria and New South Wales has been closed with the Army securing all official crossing points.
We thought we were in the clear, but in the past week we have had a second wave of the coronavirus hit the state with several hundred cases requiring hospitalisation. There have been few deaths so far; there two reported in Melbourne last night.
The new outbreaks started at some city hotels which have been used by travellers who were put into mandatory quarantine for two weeks. Clearly, several of them had the virus. They passed it on to hotel workers who then took it home. Many of the workers lived in multi-storey council flats nearby and the virus spread like wildfire through these buildings, ten in all. People living in these flats have been sealed off for a few days now with police stationed at each entrance.
It is such a sad state of affairs. Collectively, we feel like we are back to square one in many respects.
I guess my message to you folk back in the UK is don't get complacent. This is not over by any stretch of the imagination.
If you are planning a holiday, you probably don't want to be thinking about going too far from home.
The second wave is certain to be heading your way.
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Topic Originator: Thaipar
Date: Tue 7 Jul 08:27
Unfortunately Oz the UK still seems to be in the 1st wave, never having any days with no new reports.
We are now past 40 days with no new cases apart from the ones being repatriated and put into mandatory isolation.
The PM here seems to have played it out good so far.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Tue 7 Jul 08:40
My concern in the UK is how to trace any cases and how effective this will be. Also is it any different to different countries with different monitoring techniques. The opening of bars and pubs seems to have a major impact on spikes or there is a greater prevalence in reporting from the papers. It would be good to see any real numbers other than newspaper stories as to “2nd wave” root causes from around the world e.g. schools, nursery, shopping malls, etc.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 7 Jul 08:44
Thailand's performance in this has really been impressive. I think the Asian nations, in general, are far more attuned to these events.
When I left Bangkok at the end of January, I was amazed at how many people were wearing masks - and that was only days after the announcement of Covid-19.
I was originally scheduled to return there in April, but now it looks like my plan to get back over to Thailand in September might also have just gone awry.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 7 Jul 09:42
Earlier this year, and until 12 March, the government’s own official advice was, and I’m quoting from it,
‘’it remains very unlikely that people receiving care in a care home will become infected.’”
Now This :-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53315178
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 7 Jul 13:03
All the Asian countries took lessons from the SARS outbreaks I believe.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 8 Jul 09:14
How much better would the planet be without us humans
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 8 Jul 10:24
Quote:
Buspasspar, Wed 8 Jul 09:14
How much better would the planet be without us humans
Agreed. We're the only animals which are completely at odds with nature and the environment,
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 8 Jul 12:12
When the population control narrative chimes up I assume you pair will be first in line to save the planet?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 8 Jul 15:45
''When the population control narrative chimes up I assume you pair will be first in line to save the planet?''
OK, I'll bite, Rasta. (I was going to leave out the second comma. :-) )
Nothing to do with population control, just an observation that a significant proportion of the human race are absolute @r$eh0le$. I usually walk to my local supermarket for essential shopping. The number of discarded gloves and facemasks left in trolleys, on pavements and grass verges, has to be seen to be believed. Not forgetting those in the nearby burn, along with several rusting trolleys.
Now if only instead of a paltry fine for littering, the penalty was compulsory sterilisation, we'd be able to breed these cave dwellers out.......
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 8 Jul 17:32
My point GG is that the narrative is already being pushed by the wealthy, we can guarantee won't be first in line...
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 8 Jul 18:05
When the population control narrative chimes up I assume you pair will be first in line to save the planet?
Not so much about population control Rasta as to controlling the population :)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 8 Jul 18:30
Apparently the current infection rate in Scotland is 28 per 100,000 which means approximately 1500 have the virus. The average infection rate for the whole of the UK is 128 per 100,000.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 8 Jul 18:46
Quote:
Buspasspar, Wed 8 Jul 18:05
When the population control narrative chimes up I assume you pair will be first in line to save the planet?
Not so much about population control Rasta as to controlling the population :)
And once you have them under control begging for a rushed vaccine ;)
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Wed 8 Jul 19:52
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 8 Jul 18:46
Quote:
Buspasspar, Wed 8 Jul 18:05
When the population control narrative chimes up I assume you pair will be first in line to save the planet?
Not so much about population control Rasta as to controlling the population :)
And once you have them under control begging for a rushed vaccine ;)
Which rushed vaccine is that? They have been working on coronavirus vaccines for 40 years. The success rate for any coronavirus vaccine is so far zero. The chances of getting any vaccine are remote. Coronaviruses are notoriously difficult to pin down.
Maybe they will this time. They got very close with SARS but then the virus faded away and it became economically irrelevant
Post Edited (Wed 08 Jul 19:53)
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 9 Jul 07:21
Quote:
moviescot, Wed 8 Jul 19:52
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 8 Jul 18:46
Quote:
Buspasspar, Wed 8 Jul 18:05
When the population control narrative chimes up I assume you pair will be first in line to save the planet?
Not so much about population control Rasta as to controlling the population :)
And once you have them under control begging for a rushed vaccine ;)
Which rushed vaccine is that? They have been working on coronavirus vaccines for 40 years. The success rate for any coronavirus vaccine is so far zero. The chances of getting any vaccine are remote. Coronaviruses are notoriously difficult to pin down.
Maybe they will this time. They got very close with SARS but then the virus faded away and it became economically irrelevant
You first when it appears out of nowhere,not for me I don't subscribe to the crazy conspiracy all these billionaire eugenicists and largely corrupt governments are conspiring to keep us safe, that's a bit wild.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Thu 9 Jul 08:09
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 9 Jul 07:21
Quote:
moviescot, Wed 8 Jul 19:52
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 8 Jul 18:46
Quote:
Buspasspar, Wed 8 Jul 18:05
When the population control narrative chimes up I assume you pair will be first in line to save the planet?
Not so much about population control Rasta as to controlling the population :)
And once you have them under control begging for a rushed vaccine ;)
Which rushed vaccine is that? They have been working on coronavirus vaccines for 40 years. The success rate for any coronavirus vaccine is so far zero. The chances of getting any vaccine are remote. Coronaviruses are notoriously difficult to pin down.
Maybe they will this time. They got very close with SARS but then the virus faded away and it became economically irrelevant
You first when it appears out of nowhere,not for me I don't subscribe to the crazy conspiracy all these billionaire eugenicists and largely corrupt governments are conspiring to keep us safe, that's a bit wild.
That's just it. It's very unlikely to appear at all. Noises are being made but coronaviruses are very difficult to get vaccines for. Personally, I won't be having one. I avoid the flu one every year despite being in a risk group.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 10 Jul 00:52
If you want to get a really clear picture of what the future holds for this virus and how we tackle it, then this lady is well worth listening to. She knows her stuff and is not frightened to say what she thinks will happen in the months and years ahead.
What the experts are reluctant to say is that this virus is going to last for years and we are going to have to learn to live with the effects of it. Like HIV, there won't be a vaccine to fix it.
Even Michael Moore was left gobsmacked by what she had to say...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTuVpWLkfCo &list=PLkiOSLd6ZnJ5UPUbGjthKsmiYn2rdHUnH&index=2&t=4716s
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 10 Jul 08:19
WHO saying this morning that the virus is accelerating in most Countries
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Fri 10 Jul 11:24
I think Laurie Garrett is presenting a potential scenario that cannot be ruled out, but I think it is a huge jump to say that this is definitely going to be a major problem for years.
I am in a unusual camp in that I am relatively optimistic about the future, but purely for scientific reasons and not political ones. There are still a lot of things that we don't understand about this virus, and some of these unknowns could have a huge positive impact in the long term.
The main unanswered question for me is "How many people have been infected?".
The data on this at the moment is very poor.
If you take the UK, we know how many positive swab tests we have. This will be a huge underestimate of the true number of infections because not everyone is tested and some people are not tested at the right time.
We also have an estimate of how many people have positive SARS-CoV-2 antibody tests (which indicate past infection). It is currently around 10% in the UK. Scientists thought this would be the key to knowing how much of the population is still at risk, but a recent study in Strasbourg has suggested that even this value might be a huge underestimate.
This could mean that, in countries that have been hit the hardest by Covid (Belgium, UK, Spain, Italy, France) as much as half of the population may have already been infected. If this is the case then any second wave will automatically be weaker than the first one even if we return to life as normal in these countries.
I suppose we will just need to wait a few more months to see what happens.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 10 Jul 11:42
Yes but is the science suggesting that past infection offers future immunity? Serious question because I don't know but I have read several different conflicting reports on that.
Will be interesting to see how many of our citizens will be heeding the law and wearing a face covering or mask when out doing their shopping. In America it seems to have gone down political lines with some making life hard for shop staff by not following rules. It's infringing their liberties don't you know.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Fri 10 Jul 12:00
It's a good question about immunity and there is still no clear answer.
In fact, as usual, the answer is probably a lot more grey than black and white.
We know people who have antibodies after infection can lose them very quickly. This has been interpreted by a lot of people to mean that they are not protected.
In reality they probably have a degree of cellular immunity that won't result in a positive antibody test and that protects them to some extent.
So people who have already been infected might be protected for months or years, and even if they are reinfected after this they might get a very mild case compared to the first time around.
This is being put forward as one of the reasons why we might never have a vaccine, but the flip side of that is that it makes a vaccine less necessary.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 10 Jul 12:46
Interesting observations ....aaargh.
We have moved into winter here and are experiencing a second surge of the coronavirus. We are back in lockdown in the Melbourne area for the next six weeks at least.
It is obviously quite depressing after having had a month of "freedom", but there's a very real sense among the population that this is not a one-off; there will be further waves in the future. They may diminish in scale as time passes, but the view here seems to be that rather than go into lockdown every few months we will have to permanently adjust our behaviour.
Over the long-term, this may mean adopting a similar approach to the one we take to HIV with the use of condoms.
We may, as a matter of course, have to accept the wearing of a facemask whenever we leave our homes to go into public areas, while perspex barriers at shop counters as well as social distancing are likely to become permanent features.
With this second wave, there's a growing if reluctant, acceptance here that the virus has created a turning point in the way we must live our lives from now on.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Fri 10 Jul 13:37
I have no idea what the governments in Australia and NZ are going to do now.
I think they have no other choice that to wait it out for a few months to see what happens around the world.
If no vaccine appears then there will only be two options in the long term. Keep lots of restrictions in place forever and try to control every outbreak individually or just let the virus in. The first choice could be economically and socially damaging in the long term, but the second choice would probably result in at least 25000 deaths in Australia (and 5000+ in NZ) in a few months. I'm not sure governments would like to make that choice.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Fri 10 Jul 18:57
Immunity from coronaviruses after previous infection is not the norm. The main coronavirus is of course the common cold. You don't get any immunity despite having it several times in your life. The indication is that SARS and MERS can recur after a few years.
Now if Covid-19 is a typical coronavirus then immunity is unlikely to come into play. So regardless of how many people have had the disease we could still see a second spike.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 10 Jul 19:28
Was it ever proven that you can only get it once? There's been a suggestion that those who have had it are suffering long lasting effects.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 10 Jul 20:48
There is also evidence that some never even realise they've had it.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Fri 10 Jul 20:50
Quote:
jake89, Fri 10 Jul 19:28
Was it ever proven that you can only get it once? There's been a suggestion that those who have had it are suffering long lasting effects.
I don't believe it's proven either way. The thing is you probably have some immunity for a period after having it. However, no one knows how long this would be if at all.
As far as I'm aware no one has been confirmed as having it twice. There was a report early on that some people had been reinfected. This just turned out to be that the original infection had not cleared up fully.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Fri 10 Jul 20:51
Quote:
da_no_1, Fri 10 Jul 20:48
There is also evidence that some never even realise they've had it.
There is indeed. Symptoms so mild they never realised.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 10 Jul 21:20
Quote:
moviescot, Fri 10 Jul 20:51
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da_no_1, Fri 10 Jul 20:48
There is also evidence that some never even realise they've had it.
There is indeed. Symptoms so mild they never realised.
I watched Kate Garraway interviewed last week. Her husband had no underlying problems yet it has ravaged his body. He's barely alive. Yet hundreds of thousands of us will never know we've got it.
It's a total mystery why it affects some so badly while others remain relatively untouched.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Sat 11 Jul 16:34
Quote:
da_no_1, Fri 10 Jul 21:20
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moviescot, Fri 10 Jul 20:51
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da_no_1, Fri 10 Jul 20:48
There is also evidence that some never even realise they've had it.
There is indeed. Symptoms so mild they never realised.
I watched Kate Garraway interviewed last week. Her husband had no underlying problems yet it has ravaged his body. He's barely alive. Yet hundreds of thousands of us will never know we've got it.
It's a total mystery why it affects some so badly while others remain relatively untouched.
That's the interesting thing and surely something to investigate. If you can ascertain why some people have mild symptoms there may be a way to use this knowledge to assist
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 11 Jul 16:59
No underlying problems....or none diagnosed?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 11 Jul 17:17
Quote:
ipswichpar, Sat 11 Jul 16:59
No underlying problems....or none diagnosed?
Not sure but all she said he was a bit overweight
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 12 Jul 11:18
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 11 Jul 17:17
Quote:
ipswichpar, Sat 11 Jul 16:59
No underlying problems....or none diagnosed?
Not sure but all she said he was a bit overweight
Ooft! That suggests more than half the population are susceptible to being ravaged by it. ☹
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 12 Jul 12:19
Quote:
GG Riva, Sun 12 Jul 11:18
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 11 Jul 17:17
Quote:
ipswichpar, Sat 11 Jul 16:59
No underlying problems....or none diagnosed?
Not sure but all she said he was a bit overweight
Ooft! That suggests more than half the population are susceptible to being ravaged by it. ☹
I was thinking that too 🙈
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 12 Jul 12:25
Very pleasing indeed to see the vast majority of folks following the law and wearing face coverings while in shops. I admit I did have fears that it would be ignored by many.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 12 Jul 12:31
See they're not bothering with them in England.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 12 Jul 12:35
Nor Wales.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 13 Jul 05:04
<<Very pleasing indeed to see the vast majority of folks following the law and wearing face coverings while in shops. I admit I did have fears that it would be ignored by many.>>
Facemasks are a must.
According to the latest scientific evidence, eventually, 55-60% of us are going to be infected by the virus. The vast majority of us will have very little or no symptoms. About 15% of the people who get infected will need hospital care and a small percentage will die.
That small percentage is still a huge number.
In the US, where this latest study originated, the estimate is that ultimately 800,000-1.5 million will die from Covid-19. The current figure is about 137,000.
No one yet knows for certain what the long-term effects will be on survivors of this virus, but the anecdotal evidence would suggest that in some cases the lasting effects can be severe.
Every single human being on the planet is affected by this. All of us have a responsibility to look after ourselves, our families and those around us.
Wearing facemasks in public, proper hygiene and exercising social distancing may well be the new norm. That's certainly the way we are thinking in Australia now that we are starting to experience the second wave of Covid-19.
The alternative is that we accept that we go in and out of lockdown every few months for the next few years. Do we want life and our economy to be disrupted like this indefinitely or do we accept that we have a collective responsibility to protect each other?
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 13 Jul 06:50
^^^^ A very well reasoned and comprehensive post, Oz. On the point on face masks, I saw on the BBC news that their use in Australia is only 20%, much less than a number of other countries featured, including the UK.
Do many Australians have a similar attitude to face masks as President Trump?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 13 Jul 07:21
In the main, this is correct, GG. I went to the supermarket yesterday and I would say that it is currently one-in-five who wear facemasks - I was wearing one, by the way.
But this is progress and things are definitely changing. Two weeks ago, no one would have been wearing a facemask.
I think the view here has been that so few people have been affected, it is not necessary. In the whole nation, we have only had 108 deaths so far. Until the recent spike, we had gone almost a month with zero deaths.
So in a word, COMPLACENCY, rather than Trumpism is to blame here. The term "She'll be right" has been around the Australian lexicon since the First World War and it kind of sums up the easy-going, somewhat lackadaisical attitude to life of a lot of Aussies.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 13 Jul 08:22
Interesting stats on the facemarks Oz It is mandatory now here in Scotland but I was in Tesco for the first time in weeks yesterday and there were a couple go guys wandering about without a mask... "There are some people in life ye canny help my Gran used to say"
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 13 Jul 09:22
I think the Scottish Government is playing this exactly right, Busspasspar. The decision to make the wearing of facemasks compulsory is a very wise one as it is abundantly clear that it helps reduce the spread of infection.
You just need to look at low infection rates in countries like Taiwan and Thailand where mask use has been widely adopted since early in the outbreak.
I hope that Australia will follow Scotland's example and make this mandatory pretty soon.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 13 Jul 09:33
Lets hope so Oz ......stay safe
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Topic Originator: Thaipar
Date: Mon 13 Jul 09:59
Quote:
OzPar, Mon 13 Jul 09:22
I think the Scottish Government is playing this exactly right, Busspasspar. The decision to make the wearing of facemasks compulsory is a very wise one as it is abundantly clear that it helps reduce the spread of infection.
You just need to look at low infection rates in countries like Taiwan and Thailand where mask use has been widely adopted since early in the outbreak.
I hope that Australia will follow Scotland's example and make this mandatory pretty soon.
Here in my province the Governor is going to relax the wearing of masks in the next week or 2 as we haven't had any internal COVID-19 cases in Thailand for 49 days now.
In our province its over 60 days.
The wearing of masks will be upto the individual but knowing folk in this area most will continue to wear them as a lot wore even before COVID-19 was heard of.
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Topic Originator: AJ27
Date: Mon 13 Jul 12:36
Bus pass par - your response to seeing “2” people not wearing a mask in supermarkets is a big part of the problem in making face coverings (not masks) compulsory - there are many reasons why people will be exempt - my daughter has asthma and suffers from acute anxiety and is rightly therefore exempt. She went to Aldi on Saturday without a mask and immediately a nosy busy body went to a staff member and complained - my daughter turned and walked out and came home in tears and is now refusing to go near a shop.
Ozpar states the scientific evidence is clear - I disagree - if you search for it you will find many scientists who disagree - whatever view we take on most things related to this pandemic if we look harder enough we will find evidence to support us.
I’m not convinced at the argument for face coverings but if it is compulsory I’m happy to go along with this - please though don’t judge those who don’t.
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Topic Originator: Mr Mac
Date: Mon 13 Jul 13:51
Quote:
AJ27, Mon 13 Jul 12:36
Bus pass par - your response to seeing “2” people not wearing a mask in supermarkets is a big part of the problem in making face coverings (not masks) compulsory - there are many reasons why people will be exempt - my daughter has asthma and suffers from acute anxiety and is rightly therefore exempt. She went to Aldi on Saturday without a mask and immediately a nosy busy body went to a staff member and complained - my daughter turned and walked out and came home in tears and is now refusing to go near a shop.
Ozpar states the scientific evidence is clear - I disagree - if you search for it you will find many scientists who disagree - whatever view we take on most things related to this pandemic if we look harder enough we will find evidence to support us.
I’m not convinced at the argument for face coverings but if it is compulsory I’m happy to go along with this - please though don’t judge those who don’t.
The sunflower lanyard scheme is useful for this type of situation. The idea is that it indicates the wearer has a hidden disability so preventing the need to explain over and over. Staff should also know the person may need extra time or help and can discreetly offer to help.
The scheme is relatively new so not everyone will recognise it but might be worth a shot if it gives your daughter the confidence to go out again.
I know you can get one at Waverley and Glasgow Central stations as Network Rail are handing them out, these ones also have a card on them which indicates the wearer is exempt from the face mask requirements too.
This is the website https://hiddendisabilitiesstore.com/ for the scheme.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 13 Jul 15:24
Sounds like the one-way police in Tesco now have a new interest to keep them busy.
You have to be some sort of special case to go out your way to complain about someone not wearing a mask when it is common knowledge that there are exemptions.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 13 Jul 15:32
AJ27 ..Mr Mac and DA-go Par Adonis It was after I posted the Tesco thing that I thought maybe they are exempt ....So apologies for not thinking it through
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
Post Edited (Mon 13 Jul 15:33)
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Topic Originator: AJ27
Date: Mon 13 Jul 16:06
No problem - many’s a time I’ve put my foot in it by making incorrect assumptions about people.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 13 Jul 19:01
Agree about the issue of mandatory face masks. I'm fairly easy going about it. It's better if everyone wears them but if there are people not wearing them then there's no need to point and stare. Same with disabled parking. It annoys me seeing people who look perfectly able parking in the spaces but who am I to know if someone is disabled or not?
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Mon 13 Jul 23:06
I see that England will now make face masks compulsory from 24/7. Why wait that long? If you're gonna do it then do it quickly.
Bit strange really.
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Mon 13 Jul 23:15
Thought the press kept saying we were following Boris's gang.Looks like the other way round actually.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 14 Jul 00:37
Quote:
moviescot, Mon 13 Jul 23:06
I see that England will now make face masks compulsory from 24/7. Why wait that long? If you're gonna do it then do it quickly.
Bit strange really.
To allow people to obtain them maybe? Sturgeon did the same
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 14 Jul 03:21
<< your response to seeing “2” people not wearing a mask in supermarkets is a big part of the problem in making face coverings (not masks) compulsory>>
It was wise of you to point out that not everyone can wear a mask/face covering, AJ27. I sympathise with how your daughter would have felt after her unpleasant experience.
The suggestion to wear some form of an item like a lanyard that identifies the person as being exempt is perhaps the way for her to avoid this happening again and hopefully free her of any anxiety.
As an asthma sufferer for at least the past 40 years, I readily understand how difficult it could be for her, though so far I haven't personally experienced any problem with wearing a facemask.
<<She went to Aldi on Saturday without a mask and immediately a nosy busy body went to a staff member and complained>>
This is a whole different issue. Here, I support the person who brought the matter to the store's attention but would bet that the way the store handled the issue is the problem, not the reporter.
<<You have to be some sort of special case to go out your way to complain about someone not wearing a mask when it is common knowledge that there are exemptions.>>
Can't agree with this, DA-go. Laws are in place for a good reason and in this case, the law is there to protect the public from contracting a potentially fatal virus.
Remember the old adage, "Assume makes an ASS out of U and ME".
If you make the assumption that someone is probably exempt without first confirming that this is the case, you are exposing customers to the risk of catching the virus. That just doesn't make sense.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Tue 14 Jul 08:30
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 14 Jul 00:37
Quote:
moviescot, Mon 13 Jul 23:06
I see that England will now make face masks compulsory from 24/7. Why wait that long? If you're gonna do it then do it quickly.
Bit strange really.
To allow people to obtain them maybe? Sturgeon did the same
Fair enough but it's a face covering. Most people have scarves or other items. Sturgeon did the same but still not sure that was right either.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 14 Jul 08:50
Quote:
moviescot, Tue 14 Jul 08:30
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 14 Jul 00:37
Quote:
moviescot, Mon 13 Jul 23:06
I see that England will now make face masks compulsory from 24/7. Why wait that long? If you're gonna do it then do it quickly.
Bit strange really.
To allow people to obtain them maybe? Sturgeon did the same
Fair enough but it's a face covering. Most people have scarves or other items. Sturgeon did the same but still not sure that was right either.
You know what folk are like? It's a fashion accessory now. Next selling them for £22
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 14 Jul 09:11
We're selling them 😉
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 14 Jul 09:31
Quote:
londonparsfan, Tue 14 Jul 09:11
We're selling them 😉
Got mine but it's a bit nippit 🤪
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Tue 14 Jul 09:36
"Can't agree with this, DA-go. Laws are in place for a good reason and in this case, the law is there to protect the public from contracting a potentially fatal virus.
Remember the old adage, "Assume makes an ASS out of U and ME".
If you make the assumption that someone is probably exempt without first confirming that this is the case, you are exposing customers to the risk of catching the virus. That just doesn't make sense."
We've been pretty compliant in Scotland and, in the shops I've been in, there's generally been someone at the door to ensure that the place doesn't get overcrowded, making social distancing impossible. As such, if someone is quietly going about their business without a mask, I'll probably not see fit to go out my way to confront them or find an employee to give them a grilling. I'll assume that they've covered the issue at the door with the person designated to monitor the situation.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
Post Edited (Tue 14 Jul 09:36)
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 14 Jul 10:26
That's a fair and reasonable assessment DA-go. Having someone at the front door should sort out those issues.
Thanks for that.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 14 Jul 11:13
Before wearing a face covering became mandatory I would say the worst 'offenders' were shop staff. Most of them didn't wear one although the counter/checkout staff usually had some form of protection between them and the customer they were serving. The floor-walkers and shelf-stackers tended to move around at random without protection and without observing social-distancing. The situation had improved in the supermarket I visited yesterday though.
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Topic Originator: AJ27
Date: Tue 14 Jul 12:49
Pretty much all staff in supermarkets are wearing them now - I’m ok wearing mine for a quick visit to the shops - glad I don’t have to have it on for a 7 hour shift though.
My biggest gripe with shop staff was around social distancing - in Asda lots of them have been wearing t shirts exhorting us to stay 2 metres apart yet I regularly saw them standing right next to each other having a chat.
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Topic Originator: allparone
Date: Tue 14 Jul 13:40
Shop staff don’t need to challenge anyone. The law puts the onus on the individual. I’ve spoken with a few shop workers and none of them are going to challenge anyone and co op staff have been told not to. The police statement gives the impression that they’ll not be too bothered either. I wear a mask at work all day so wearing one in a shop for half an hour or so doesn’t bother me. I’ve been wearing one for a while with no problems. Any member of the public who challenges someone who isn’t wearing one should mind their own business. I can’t be doing with these busybody types.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 14 Jul 14:27
<<Any member of the public who challenges someone who isn’t wearing one should mind their own business. I can’t be doing with these busybody types.>>
I just don't understand that reasoning. But each to his own.
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Topic Originator: Mr Mac
Date: Tue 14 Jul 14:31
Quote:
allparone, Tue 14 Jul 13:40
Shop staff don’t need to challenge anyone. The law puts the onus on the individual. I’ve spoken with a few shop workers and none of them are going to challenge anyone and co op staff have been told not to. The police statement gives the impression that they’ll not be too bothered either. I wear a mask at work all day so wearing one in a shop for half an hour or so doesn’t bother me. I’ve been wearing one for a while with no problems. Any member of the public who challenges someone who isn’t wearing one should mind their own business. I can’t be doing with these busybody types.
This all day long, public transport is the same. Currently there are staff offering a disposable mask at main stations but, the onus is on the individual to provide their own. The Scottish Government have made it clear when talking about transport and shops that they do not expect staff to challenge.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Tue 14 Jul 14:33
"in Asda lots of them have been wearing t shirts exhorting us to stay 2 metres apart yet I regularly saw them standing right next to each other having a chat."
Maybe they all live together?
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Tue 14 Jul 15:01
Six months ago you'd have been told to get that off if you walked in a shop with it on.How the world changes.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Tue 14 Jul 15:29
Some details from a surgeon about masks.
RETIRED SURGEON Sam Laucks, has this to say about wearing masks:
“OK, here’s my rant about masks:
I have spent the past 39 years working in the field of surgery. For a significant part of that time, I have worn a mask. I have worked with hundreds (probably thousands) of colleagues during those years, who have also worn masks. Not a single one us of became ill, passed out or died from lack of oxygen. Not a single one of us became ill, passed out or died from breathing too much carbon dioxide. Not a single one us of became ill, passed out or died from rebreathing a little of our own exhaled air. Let’s begin here by putting those scare tactics to rest!
(It is true that some people, with advanced lung diseases, may be so fragile that a mask could make their already-tenuous breathing more difficult. If your lungs are that bad, you probably shouldn’t be going out in public at the present time anyway; the consequences if you are exposed to Covid-19 would likely be devastating.)
~ “But”, you ask, “can’t viruses go right through the mask, because they are so small?” (“Masks keep viruses out just as well as a chain link fence keeps mosquitoes out,” some tell us.) It is true that individual virus particles can pass through the pores of a mask; however, viruses don’t move on their own. They do not fly across the room like a mosquito, wiggle through your mask like a worm, or fly up your nose like a gnat. The virus is essentially nothing more than a tiny blob of genetic material. Covid-19 travels in a CARRIER – the carrier is a fluid droplet- fluid droplets that you expel when you cough, sneeze, sing, laugh, talk or simply exhale. Most of your fluid droplets will be stopped from entering the air in the room if you are wearing a mask. Wearing a mask is a very efficient way to protect others if you are carrying the virus (even if you don’t know that you are infected). In addition, if someone else’s fluid droplets happen to land on your mask, many of them will not pass through. This gives the wearer some additional protection, too. But, the main reason to wear a mask is to PROTECT OTHERS. Even if you don’t care about yourself, wear your mask to protect your neighbors, co-workers and friends!
~ A mask is certainly not 100% protective. However, it appears that the severity of Covid-19 infection is at least partially “dose-dependent.” In other words, the more virus particles that enter your body, the sicker you are likely to become. Why not decrease that volume if you can? “What have you got to lose?!”
~ “But doesn’t a requirement or a request to wear a mask violate my constitutional rights?” You’re also not allowed to go into the grocery store if you are not wearing pants. You can’t yell “fire” in the Produce Department. You’re not allowed to urinate on the floor in the Frozen Food Section. Do you object to those restrictions? Rules, established for the common good, are component of a civilized society.
~ “But aren’t masks uncomfortable?” Some would say that underwear or shoes can be uncomfortable, but we still wear them. (Actually, being on a ventilator is pretty darned uncomfortable, too!) Are masks really so bad that you can’t tolerate them, even if they will help keep others healthy?
~ “But won’t people think I’m a snowflake or a wimp if I wear a mask?” I hope you have enough self-confidence to overcome that.
~ “But won’t I look stupid if I wear a mask?” I’ve decided not to dignify that question with an answer!! 📷:)
~ “But I never get sick; I’m not worried.” Well, then, wear a mask for the sake of the rest of us who are not so perfect!
There is good evidence that masks make a real difference in diminishing the transmission of Covid-19. Please, for the sake of others (and for the sake of yourself), wear your mask when in public. It won’t kill you!
P.S. - And, by the way, please be sure that BOTH your nose and mouth are covered!
Recommendations around mask usage are confusing. The science isn't. Evidence shows that masks are extremely effective to slow the coronavirus and may be the best tool available right now to fight it.”
Thank you, Sam Laucks!!
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 14 Jul 16:37
Thanks for posting that moviescot. It is an important message. Perhaps that will reassure some of the doubters. If not, then perhaps this will...
Why is even Donald Trump wearing a mask now?
Because he has been told the seriously bad news that, just like the common cold, there may never be a useful vaccine for Covid-19. Additionally, it is now becoming clear that many of those that recover from the virus are developing critical long-term medical conditions.
According to two separate studies that have involved extensive monitoring of patients with the virus, Coronavirus antibodies start to fade away just weeks after people show symptoms.
Research carried out by scientists at King’s College London found that the presence of antibodies peaked three weeks after symptoms appeared, before fading away. In some cases, the antibodies were undetectable three months afterwards.
A Spanish study released last week, also showed antibody protection rapidly declining in many patients.
The UK researchers found that just 5% of people tested maintained coronavirus antibodies.
One of the UK study’s authors said it put “another nail in the coffin of the dangerous concept of herd immunity.”
And the news just gets worse…
Hospitals are reporting that Covid-19 causes massive clotting in 15% of people everywhere in the body causing random organ failure. Also, many people that got it early on are still sick months later, with out-of-control heart rates, waves of pain and fatigue worse than Lyme disease.
Even people only struck a glancing blow are debilitated for long periods of time, unable to do simple tasks and suffering weakness and shortness of breath like emphysema victims, certainly unable to work in any normal sense.
That’s why the politicians are starting to take this outbreak much more seriously now. They are changing their tune and you will be hearing a lot more about this very soon.
With several countries already facing a second wave of the virus, it is starting to dawn on people that Covid-19 is likely to be around for years to come.
We are all going to have to adjust our behaviour. This is not a matter of choice.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 14 Jul 19:51
So what about all those that are asymptomatic?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 14 Jul 20:19
Truly asymptomatic cases are very rare and it isn't clear yet that they can't transmit the virus. You can certainly transmit the virus even if you haven't yet developed symptoms though.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 17 Jul 18:16
More lies from Boris the Brave :-
Boris Johnson: "We have substantially increased the pipeline of personal protective equipment [PPE] for the NHS and social care constituting over 30 billion items of PPE over the course of the pandemic".
However, government figures show that only 2.3 billion items have actually been delivered to health and social care services in England, up to 12 July.
This includes 1.4 billion gloves (which are counted individually as opposed to in pairs).
It's not immediately clear where the 30 billion number comes from, but it could include future deliveries."
It actually does include future deliveries 28 billion still to be delivered
Oh Jings imagine counting a glove as a single item
He lied as a Laddie, he lied as a student, he lied as a journalist, he lied in Parliament, and he lied to the Queen.
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 18 Jul 17:13
So no daily figures going to be issued from No.10, WTF!!!😡😡😡
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Sat 18 Jul 23:07
They aren't happy at the figures so decided to start blaming the health service for giving bad numbers.After all he has been the best in the whole world for controlling it,well so he tells us.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 19 Jul 00:37
Meanwhile in Scotland we've seen the biggest daily increase in covid infections for over a month.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Thaipar
Date: Sun 19 Jul 02:58
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sun 19 Jul 00:37
Meanwhile in Scotland we've seen the biggest daily increase in covid infections for over a month.
Only to be expected I suppose. Borders opened, more socialising. Only positive I see is that it isn't clusters.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 19 Jul 10:29
Can he set one up to query why peers have spent thousands of tax payers money on champagne during lockdown?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 20 Jul 13:07
So... who is going to rock up and get rushed through vaccine?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Tue 21 Jul 22:54
Heard the best comment yet from ,an American doctor. In certain states,they have a cowboy mentality, Brilliant !
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 21 Jul 23:45
The Courier just ran a story that a taxi driver in Dundee (in his 60s) has had to self isolate after the woman in his taxi revealed half-way through the journey that she'd tested positive for COVID! Hope she's had a telling from the police.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 23 Jul 12:04
Discussing now on mainstream tv, should the rushed vaccine be made mandatory.
Can't say I didn't bring it up.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 23 Jul 13:26
What are your concerns Rasta? Are the concerns the same for the likes of HPV, Flu etc?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 23 Jul 15:48
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jake89, Thu 23 Jul 13:26
What are your concerns Rasta? Are the concerns the same for the likes of HPV, Flu etc?
My concerns are that it is being pushed by Bill Gates and companies owned by him, I'm not trusting a rushed through anything from an Epstein Airways frequent flyer.
I also think that once these things become mandatory they'll always be.
Been alive long enough to see what governments do.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Thu 23 Jul 16:53
Can’t say I would be charging to get a rushed out vaccine until I was sure it would be safe.
Anyone avoiding it because they think Bill Gates is leading an illuminati plot to microchip or depopulate the world is full on bonkers
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 24 Jul 07:57
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P, Thu 23 Jul 16:53
Can’t say I would be charging to get a rushed out vaccine until I was sure it would be safe.
Anyone avoiding it because they think Bill Gates is leading an illuminati plot to microchip or depopulate the world is full on bonkers
Do you know what a vaccine passport is?
And I didn't mention illuminati, you did.
I said I want nothing from a guy who visited Epstein frequently....oh...ans isn't a doctor.
Anyone thinking corrupt governments and crooked paedophile enabling billionaire are conspiring to save us...now that's wild.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Fri 24 Jul 09:57
Quote:
Rastapari, Fri 24 Jul 07:57
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P, Thu 23 Jul 16:53
Can’t say I would be charging to get a rushed out vaccine until I was sure it would be safe.
Anyone avoiding it because they think Bill Gates is leading an illuminati plot to microchip or depopulate the world is full on bonkers
Do you know what a vaccine passport is?
And I didn't mention illuminati, you did.
I said I want nothing from a guy who visited Epstein frequently....oh...ans isn't a doctor.
Anyone thinking corrupt governments and crooked paedophile enabling billionaire are conspiring to save us...now that's wild.
Where did I say I was referring to you? I was talking about some of the loony conspiracy theories doing the rounds (John Oliver did a good bit on conspiracy theories this week which is worth a watch for anyone interested).
But to answer - yes I know what a vaccine passport is, what is the point you are trying to make?
The fact check above covers the Epstein quote and re the not a doctor bit - I suspect that Bill isn’t sitting there with his test tube and beakers developing a vaccine himself. I would imagine with his paying people to do that and extending that reasoning I reckon those people will be doctors 🤷🏻♂️😀
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 24 Jul 15:11
Nah he's not in the flight logs numerous times.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 24 Jul 17:13
Who fact-checks the fact-checkers?
And who fact-checks those who fact-check the fact-checkers?
And who ....etc?
It's all fake news! Just make up your own facts! 😊😊😊
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Fri 24 Jul 18:14
Quote:
Rastapari, Fri 24 Jul 13:54
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Fri 24 Jul 09:25
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/false-claim-targets-gates-using-epstein-connection/
That is a case of who owns the fact checker chum, he's in the flight logs numerous times.
And the pictures of Gates with Epstein....all take right?
Fact checker😂😂😂[/quote
Actually Rasta he is not in the flight logs at all. The logs are public domain. Do the research properly and read the logs. They're pretty boring but very clear..
Stop making things up to further some sort of personal agenda.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 24 Jul 23:13
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Fri 24 Jul 15:11
Nah he's not in the flight logs numerous times.
Exactly and the issue is that people believe what suits their own views. The media plays up to this. They write stories with very little basis and it's easy to assume it's true.
Someone starts a rumour and it spreads like wildfire around Facebook. Look at all these idiots hounding out innocent men from Fife Council homes because Michelle on Facebook claimed her new neighbour is a paedophile?
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 25 Jul 11:14
122 deaths in England announced on Friday, WTF!!!
Meanwhile Laura Kunesberg cuddles up to the prime minister. 😥😥😥
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 25 Jul 11:26
Yes, but Westminster has just given Scotland millions of pounds...that it borrowed on our behalf...hang on a minute...
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Sat 25 Jul 20:44
And we would be incapable of borrowing Money if we were independent, just like Ireland , Denmark, Sweden ,Finland, New Zealand , and every other country in the world.....hang on a minute indeed.....
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 25 Jul 21:11
Quarantine rules are back in play for people returning to the UK from Spain.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 25 Jul 21:28
Obvious this was going to happen. Uk gov putting its citizens at risk again
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 25 Jul 21:45
Scottish government as well.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Sat 25 Jul 22:11
The British transport secretary Grant Shapps is reportedly on holiday in Spain, which, unless he returns to the UK in the next two and a half hours, will make him subject to the government’s newly imposed quarantine rules for all travellers returning from Spain.
Might be interesting to see if the rules get bent for him.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 26 Jul 00:34
Quote:
ipswichpar, Sat 25 Jul 21:28
Obvious this was going to happen. Uk gov putting its citizens at risk again
Bit of a swing and a miss there mate.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sun 26 Jul 06:18
Quote:
da_no_1, Sun 26 Jul 00:34
Quote:
ipswichpar, Sat 25 Jul 21:28
Obvious this was going to happen. Uk gov putting its citizens at risk again
Bit of a swing and a miss there mate.
What do you mean?
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sun 26 Jul 11:14
<<In the main, this is correct, GG. I went to the supermarket yesterday and I would say that it is currently one-in-five who wear facemasks - I was wearing one, by the way. But this is progress and things are definitely changing. Two weeks ago, no one would have been wearing a facemask.>>
Well, I went shopping at the supermarket today and everywhere I looked, inside and out in the street, mask usage was 100%.
That is quite a change from a month ago.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 26 Jul 12:08
Quote:
OzPar, Sun 26 Jul 11:14
<<In the main, this is correct, GG. I went to the supermarket yesterday and I would say that it is currently one-in-five who wear facemasks - I was wearing one, by the way. But this is progress and things are definitely changing. Two weeks ago, no one would have been wearing a facemask.>>
Well, I went shopping at the supermarket today and everywhere I looked, inside and out in the street, mask usage was 100%.
That is quite a change from a month ago.
Inside, I would imagine it's pretty high here having been in shops over the last week.
Outside, not so much.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Sun 26 Jul 12:09)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 26 Jul 12:19
There's no advice currently to wear a face covering outside, only in shops and on buses, so it's no surprise that fewer people wear one out-of-doors. The virus isn't transmitted so readily in the fresh air and where it's so much easier to observe social distancing guidelines.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 4 Aug 07:50
Italy has just conducted 60,000 Covid-19 on a cross section of its population and discovered that there are about 3 times as many asymptomatic carriers as had been previously estimated.
Gulp..... If this is accurate and reflected around the world, we have a real problem.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Tue 4 Aug 09:28
I think we are still lacking a lot of data about this virus.
I think it is probably more contagious than many people think, more people have been exposed or infected than the antibody tests are suggesting, and we (in most of Western Europe) have probably come through the worst a long time ago.
Asymptomatic infection might seem like a bad thing because it can lead to uncontrolled spreading of the virus, but that horse may have bolted months ago.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 4 Aug 09:36
Worrying statistics indeed G.G.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Tue 4 Aug 10:42
I hope and expect the scientists are working on some of the following hypotheses other than the asymptomatic information using the previously supplied data.
- is there a relationship between asymptomatic cases and age
- is there a relationship between population density
- is there a relationship to race
- is this asymptomatic case rate increasing / decreasing.
There has to be an understanding also of the false positive rate. The cases of St Mirren players was a jolt to the testing.
Keep our fingers crossed the healthcare scientists are getting closer to a vaccine.
There are a number of worrying factors from a global pandemic that people need to consider.
- What COORDINATED effort is being made between countries for a vaccine?
- variance in test methods and procedures makes correlation impossible if there is no standard. It also makes any AI work useless. If the inputs are bad then no possibility of outputs.
- what have we learned from the first 6 months of this pandemic.
The final item above is my most worrying thing. The items being discussed by governments (face mask) should have been obligatory from day 1. We are not reacting quick enough or coordinated enough.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Tue 4 Aug 17:25
Here in Aberdeen we have a pub problem. The Hawthorn bar had been in the news. One person with Covid-19 entered the bar and now 33 cases have been confirmed. This would suggest it is easily transferred.
However, it turns out there were crowds of people inside sitting watching football and little or no social distancing going on. Loads of people outside smoking. Really pubs need to operate differently now but they don't seem to get it.
Another pub chain has decided to close until it's safe to reopen. Once again though the pub in question - Soul Bar - was allowing queues to build up. Staff were asking groups inside if they minded sharing their table with strangers. How can this be correct?
Bars really need to act more like restaurants. Sitting at tables only with waiter service only. Use of apps etc.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 4 Aug 18:06
It's 4 pubs in Aberdeen now.
The issue the bar manager has is that he/she can't police what people do. They can't go around saying "stay apart! stay apart!". Basically, it's not practical for pubs to be open but the economy needs to start up.
So if we want pubs open and economic recovery, we need people to grow up and be sensible. Wash your hands, don't let your pal have a wee taste of your beer, only visit one pub a week and keep socially distant. If a pub is rammed then go elsewhere or go home.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 4 Aug 18:48
Our local pub/restaurant was closed down two Saturdays running by the Polis ...A free for all mobbed bar area ....mobbed car park
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 4 Aug 19:03
Quote:
jake89, Tue 4 Aug 18:06
don't let your pal have a wee taste of your beer
What kind of minger does that?!?!
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Tue 4 Aug 19:09
Quote:
jake89, Tue 4 Aug 18:06
It's 4 pubs in Aberdeen now.
The issue the bar manager has is that he/she can't police what people do. They can't go around saying "stay apart! stay apart!". Basically, it's not practical for pubs to be open but the economy needs to start up.
So if we want pubs open and economic recovery, we need people to grow up and be sensible. Wash your hands, don't let your pal have a wee taste of your beer, only visit one pub a week and keep socially distant. If a pub is rammed then go elsewhere or go home.
Soul bar could easily have policed the queues. They have an outside area which can be closed off at the pavement. They chose to let everyone in. They were even trying to squeeze more people in by asking people with tables to have strangers sitting with them. These things are all avoidable. They had several doormen on the door who chose to do nothing so why bother having them.
Pubs need to operate a strict booking system with little or no walk ins unless they are very quiet.
The problem here is more about the greedy owners (well known in Aberdeen,) and less to do with punters.
Most bars were closing early. No later than 11. This chain was staying open until 2am. You're not going to get many sober people at 12 or 1am. They have voluntarily closed their bars. This looks like a good move until you find out from the police that they were "advised" to do so or risk prosecution.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Tue 4 Aug 19:19
Hawthorn Bar incident. The main culprit in the number of cases.
Yes the pub had some distancing in place. What they also had was a football match on. This results in people shouting and screaming at the screen. Reasonable behaviour normally but a brilliant way to spread covid19 all over the bar. And of course once outside crowds of people standing having a smoke...
The day after the incident but before it was reported the whole of the Cove Rangers football first team were sitting at one table. This shouldn't happen either.
Everyone needs to take responsibility here. Close the pubs until they are following the guidelines.
A lot of the pubs are doing the right thing. Table bookings, no or few walk ins, outside seating areas and staff delivering to your table whilst wearing masks. They are also mostly closing at 10pm or 11pm at weekends to prevent overly drunken behaviour.
Post Edited (Tue 04 Aug 19:20)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 4 Aug 19:20
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 4 Aug 19:03
Quote:
jake89, Tue 4 Aug 18:06
don't let your pal have a wee taste of your beer
What kind of minger does that?!?!
I've seen it happen. Though admittedly only in Brewdog in both Edinburgh and Manchester and the place on Lothian Road that does the scooners.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Wed 5 Aug 13:12
And no surprise Aberdeen back in lockdown
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 5 Aug 14:38
........except it isn't really.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 5 Aug 15:50
Pubs and restaurants will have to close from 17:00 on Wednesday.
People are being told not to travel to Aberdeen, and those living in the city face travel restrictions.
Ms Sturgeon said there were now 54 cases in the "significant outbreak" and that community transmission could not be ruled out.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53666665
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 5 Aug 16:52
Shops still open, schools open next week.
It's not the kind of lockdown other countries are imposing.
It's a sensible, practical approach to try to nip this in the bud & avoid the kind of panic some posters on here seem to revel in.
Hopefully it works.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 5 Aug 17:06
Lets hope so dano 1
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Wed 5 Aug 18:46
The sad thing is that this could all have been avoided if people and pubs had followed the rules.
Normally if you go out for night in Aberdeen pre covid19 you would have seen several police and city wardens. Since the lockdown release these have been absent. They could have been breaking up queues outside Soul Bar, Prohibition etc. Of course these bars could have taken a more sensible approach and closed early.
Hopefully this will work and when they reopen they will do so more sensibly. However, if takes them closing until October that's fine because it's more important that children get back to school.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 5 Aug 19:22
Nailed it moviescot
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Wed 5 Aug 19:40
Interesting to see what the publicans in other areas of Aberdeen feel about this pub tonight?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 5 Aug 19:54
Quote:
parsmad68, Wed 5 Aug 19:40
Interesting to see what the publicans in other areas of Aberdeen feel about this pub tonight?
Can't say I'd be best amused if I was one of the pubs playing by the rules.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 5 Aug 20:14
Nor would I guys ...but due to this Governments inability and delayed reaction to protect us from the virus They/We are now faced with profit, jobs ..versus safety and lives ...It is a balancing act ..hard to call and there will be many more deaths and lost jobs before we get back to normal .... if we ever will ....:(
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 5 Aug 20:21
We're not all stupid. The government politely asks us to follow rules. Most do. Some think they don't need to. If they enforce the rules we complain that its infringement of our human rights. Even track and trace relies on us putting the notion of our privacy to one side for the greater good. Again some follow, some ignore. It's a no win situation but as usual have a rant about the government. It's all their fault.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Wed 5 Aug 20:31
Quote:
jake89, Wed 5 Aug 19:54
Quote:
parsmad68, Wed 5 Aug 19:40
Interesting to see what the publicans in other areas of Aberdeen feel about this pub tonight?
Can't say I'd be best amused if I was one of the pubs playing by the rules.
A couple of the pubs have been very vocal about the issue. If you knew Aberdeen you would see that this issue was concentrated at one end of the city. The other end off Union Street had no pubs mentioned. These were the pubs who were only allowing people to book tables and not have walk ins and were closing early. Suffice to say they are not impressed.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 5 Aug 20:42
Aha the ever present dano 1 the nemesis of dot net
No one mentioned stupid
Human rights or human deaths dano ?
Track and trace contravenes human rights ? ...take the day off Min
BTW its Laws that are enforced not rules
Let us read your thoughts on this Governments handling of the Virus situation Dano 1
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 5 Aug 20:52
Quote:
Buspasspar, Wed 5 Aug 20:42
Aha the ever present dano 1 the nemesis of dot net
No one mentioned stupid
Human rights or human deaths dano ?
Track and trace contravenes human rights ? ...take the day off Min
BTW its Laws that are enforced not rules
Let us read your thoughts on this Governments handling of the Virus situation Dano 1
Please go back and read my post. I'm passing comment on reasons why others (not me) may view the rules all governments put in place (not necessarily the UK government, the post was regarding the development in Aberdeen)
You blame the government for everything. The fact is this virus would always have made it here, regardless of who is in charge. The government both here and the UK as a whole have asked us to abide by some rules. When folk don't follow these rules, the government get the blame.
As for me having a day off, eh naw. You keep posting your drivelling rants, I'll keep replying. If you don't like it, maybe the internet ain't for you
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Wed 05 Aug 20:52)
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 6 Aug 08:13
And so it continues :-
Fifty million face masks bought by the government in April will not be used in the NHS because of safety concerns.
The government says the masks, which use ear-loop fastenings rather than head loops, may not fit tightly enough.
They were bought for healthcare workers from supplier Ayanda Capital as part of a £252m contract.
Ayanda says the masks meet the specifications the government had set out. The government says its safety standards process is "robust".
It also emerged that the person who originally approached the government about the deal was a government trade adviser who also advises the board of Ayanda.
But he told the BBC his position played no part in the awarding of the contract.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 6 Aug 09:52
Andrew Mills and his Prospermill company getting dissected by Jo Maugham QC on Twitter.
The paper trail is shocking!!😡😡😡
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 6 Aug 13:04
I'm struggling to see how this isn't a massive scandal and how this advisor isn't under huge scrutiny beggars belief. It wasn't even a ppe firm that supplied the masks!
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Thu 6 Aug 14:59
One of my mates sent me it and even being a cynic I was a bit taken aback when its laid out like that.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 6 Aug 16:27
Thanks for the share guys although you have now made me a very sad and angry old man reading what this Tory Government are getting away with Again
Some of that even if half true is a flagrant misuse of public money to boost the Tory Faithful bank accounts They really should be in Gaol
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
Post Edited (Thu 06 Aug 16:53)
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Thu 6 Aug 16:37
Don't plebs go to jail for this kind of stuff?
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 6 Aug 16:57
Quote :-
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks like | nolike
Date: Thu 6 Aug 13:04
I'm struggling to see how this isn't a massive scandal and how this advisor isn't under huge scrutiny beggars belief. It wasn't even a ppe firm that supplied the masks!
They are laughing at us Towk, they can do what they please They are above the law and looking after their own :(
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 6 Aug 17:08
This is why the nhs won't be privatised. Too many snouts in a trough that gets filled with taxpayer pounds.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 7 Aug 00:35
Even from 12,000 miles away, this looks utterly shocking and disgraceful. Politics has always had an element of corruption about it, but it seems to have gone into "hyperdrive" in recent years.
This was once regarded as the sort of thing you would only see from a despotic government in Africa or the Middle East, now it seems to have become accepted practice in the West.
Putting government work out to tender is done for a very good reason; to avoid behaviour like this and to keep a control on public expenditure. When governments don't apply this principle, that's an invitation for the unscrupulous to exploit the system and that is precisely what has happened here.
Will someone go to prison for this? Without a doubt, someone should, but I wouldn't count on it. Would you?
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 7 Aug 08:30
OzPar
I might be wrong but I think the normal tender procedure was bypassed as an emergency measure
Which left it wide open to corruption
You are correct someone should go to gaol but we will probably hear no more about it :(
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 8 Aug 05:32
Here in Melbourne, we have had two men in their 30s die of the Coronavirus this week.
The authorities have not said if either man had underlying health issues, but it emphasises the point that this virus is not the sole preserve of the elderly.
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Topic Originator: Parfect68
Date: Sat 8 Aug 10:26
Quote:
OzPar, Sat 8 Aug 05:32
Here in Melbourne, we have had two men in their 30s die of the Coronavirus this week.
The authorities have not said if either man had underlying health issues, but it emphasises the point that this virus is not the sole preserve of the elderly.
Exactly this Oz. This is closer to home. Similarly i don't know background health but he's my age group, working in my kind of workplace, not front covid line but would probably have worked throughout if not unwell. We have a collective responsibility, to look after each other. How can deniers or sceptics opt for trying for herd immunity when we know so little and it does not behave in the same way to what we know. Another 12months info and i might opt for herd immunity.... If that's what science and experience tell us.
Facebook post
And don't quote me %of population deaths, we have still had many people die in Scotland and it would have been potentially much more if we had not lockeddown and I'm glad we acted the way we did, just wish it had been earlier. And that we'd handled care homes differently but hindsight is a wonderful thing. 😔
Post Edited (Sat 08 Aug 11:04)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 8 Aug 17:34
Randox is based in Antrim and Paterson is a former Secretary of State for N Ireland. ''Wheels within wheels...''?
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 10 Aug 09:31
The official Covid-19 daily death toll may never be brought back following an investigation into Public Health England's method of counting it, the Telegraph understands.
The conclusions of the review, which was ordered by Matt Hancock after it emerged officials were "over-exaggerating” deaths from the virus, are expected this week.
One expected recommendation would be to stop daily reporting altogether and move to a weekly official death toll instead, a government source said on Sunday night.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Mon 10 Aug 11:56
"The official Covid-19 daily death toll may never be brought back following an investigation into Public Health England's method of counting it, the Telegraph understands."
Also reporting 16,000 deaths caused by lack of hospital treatment for non Covid issues such as viruses/cancers/heart attacks.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 10 Aug 20:29
Deary me indeed LA and so it continues :( :(
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 11 Aug 15:27
It really does stink Thaipar :(
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 11 Aug 15:41
It may be quicker and save space on the server if we start listing the contracts that haven't got a dodgy connection to them.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 11 Aug 17:05
Quote:
londonparsfan, Tue 11 Aug 15:41
It may be quicker and save space on the server if we start listing the contracts that haven't got a dodgy connection to them.
Struggling with that one!😉
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Topic Originator: dd23
Date: Tue 11 Aug 17:48
But they've only done trials on 38
people.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Tue 11 Aug 20:35
It's pretty clear that the UK Government are handing out millions in contracts to companies incapable of delivering. Companies which happen to be owned by their pals or tory donors. This should be a national outrage, but it won't be, it'll just be swept under the carpet
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 11 Aug 21:46
This ^^^^^
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Topic Originator: parsfan
Date: Tue 11 Aug 22:09
Quote:
red-star-par, Tue 11 Aug 20:35
It's pretty clear that the UK Government are handing out millions in contracts to companies incapable of delivering. Companies which happen to be owned by their pals or tory donors. This should be a national outrage, but it won't be, it'll just be swept under the carpet
Look! A family of brown people in a rubber dingy. Send in the fleet.
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The universe is ruled by chance and indifference
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 12 Aug 13:58
A big thank you to the testing centre at Edinburgh Airport, my daughter her husband, my 3yr old grandaughter and 6 months old grandson had to go for a test yesterday afternoon.
Contacted this morning and declared all clear, thank goodness!👍
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 12 Aug 15:05
Good news LA. Not a pleasant test.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 13 Aug 19:31
From the Beeb :-
Almost 300 people have tested positive for Covid-19 following an outbreak at a factory which makes M&S sandwiches.
Greencore in Northampton started "proactively testing" workers due to rising numbers of cases in the town.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 14 Aug 07:06
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Thu 6 Aug 13:04
I'm struggling to see how this isn't a massive scandal and how this advisor isn't under huge scrutiny beggars belief. It wasn't even a ppe firm that supplied the masks!
Journalism doesn't do massive scandal anymore, you know like rapey princes should have been a massive scandal, but no.....
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Sat 15 Aug 01:10
<<Here in Melbourne, we have had two men in their 30s die of the Coronavirus this week. The authorities have not said if either man had underlying health issues, but it emphasises the point that this virus is not the sole preserve of the elderly.>>
Our Premier announced yesterday that a man in his 20s had died after catching the virus. Granted it is a very small proportion of those who have died, but it does make you wonder if the virus is mutating and starting to affect all ages?
Unlike the UK or America, we are clearly in the second wave of Covid-19 having pretty much eliminated the first. By all reports, it is worse than the first wave. Its arrival coincided with cooler weather.
Post Edited (Sat 15 Aug 03:43)
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 15 Aug 09:00
We just forget three months of lies and bogus figures to start believing farie Tories?
How easy is it to rule Britain?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 26 Aug 17:23
From Aunty :-
Boris Johnson was today facing a furious backlash from Conservative MPs over his last-minute U-turn on face-coverings in school, with one backbencher calling on him to “get a grip on our scientists”.
Huw Merriman said the treatment of young people during the coronavirus pandemic had been an “absolute disgrace “ and the public was “sick and tired” of seeing advice constantly changing in a way that made it appear the government was “making it up as we go along”.
I like this paragraph :-
And senior Tory Charles Walker - vice-chair of the influential backbench 1922 Committee - said an increasing number of Conservative MPs were "very worried" at the government's ever-extending record of chopping and changing policy without debate, often in the wake of decisions taken by Scottish first minister Nicola Sturgeon.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Wed 26 Aug 20:16
Quote:
Buspasspar, Wed 26 Aug 17:23
From Aunty :-
Boris Johnson was today facing a furious backlash from Conservative MPs over his last-minute U-turn on face-coverings in school, with one backbencher calling on him to “get a grip on our scientists”.
Huw Merriman said the treatment of young people during the coronavirus pandemic had been an “absolute disgrace “ and the public was “sick and tired” of seeing advice constantly changing in a way that made it appear the government was “making it up as we go along”.
I like this paragraph :-
And senior Tory Charles Walker - vice-chair of the influential backbench 1922 Committee - said an increasing number of Conservative MPs were "very worried" at the government's ever-extending record of chopping and changing policy without debate, often in the wake of decisions taken by Scottish first minister Nicola Sturgeon.
Ha ha. Go Nicola
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Thu 3 Sep 02:12
My mates kids have just gone back in a London suburb and the school has been open two days before they've had to quarantine some of the kids and staff.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sun 6 Sep 16:21
"The second wave will be taken more seriously"
Bill Gates, good salesman got be honest.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Sun 6 Sep 19:11
Quote:
Rastapari, Sun 6 Sep 16:21
"The second wave will be taken more seriously"
Bill Gates, good salesman got be honest.
If and I say if there is one the chances are it will be far more serious. The history of viruses backs this up. The second wave of Spanish flu killed more than the first by multiples.
Just you pick on Bill Gates quote though. Why not pick on the several virologists that have said exactly the same thing? Because that does not fit your little conspiracy eh.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 7 Sep 07:51
You need only ask any person who lives in the state of Victoria in Australia what the second wave is like. Apart from a painfully brief 17-day respite between the first and the second waves, we have been in strict lockdown since 16th March.
We cannot travel more than 5 kms from our house and only then to visit the supermarket or pharmacy, doctor or health professional and take one-hour's exercise a day.
Yesterday, the state government announced that the lockdown would be extended and that the aim was to get back to some normality at the end of November.
By the end of the first wave (in June), deaths in Victoria were fewer than 50. Today, the deaths figure in Victoria is 666.
So, in short, yes the second wave is worse than the first.
Much, much worse.
Post Edited (Mon 07 Sep 08:07)
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 7 Sep 11:15
You simply don't get a second wave 17 days after a first.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 7 Sep 11:25
Go to hell you foolish little boy. You know nothing, you pretentious Tw*t.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 7 Sep 11:29
Nice. If you're going to come on here with the sole purpose of putting the fear of God into everyone at least get your facts right.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 7 Sep 11:36
My sole purpose is to communicate the facts, you simpleton, whether you like it or not. Now, just stop sniping from the sidelines like a silly little child.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 7 Sep 11:49
What happened seventeen days ago?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Mon 7 Sep 12:12
It didn't happen 17 days ago, TOWK.
We had 17 days, in June IIRC, from when the state government declared that the first wave was over and lockdown was ended, to the government redeclaring a lockdown as outbreaks occurred as a result of serious breaches of security at some of the quarantine hotels which resulted in workers taking the virus home to their families.
Prior to the opening up, there had been a lengthy period from April where new cases had dropped to low single figures.
This graph clearly shows the two waves, particularly highlighting the extent of the second wave.
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=graph+victoria+covid+cases&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 7 Sep 12:36
You really can't handle another person's point of view, can you?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Mon 7 Sep 13:16
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 7 Sep 12:36
You really can't handle another person's point of view, can you?
The thing is though there are no rules between virus waves. Where did you get your degree that gives you other knowledge? There was only weeks between the main two waves of Spanish flu.
And just for clarity there is no reason why we won't have a third wave.
Post Edited (Mon 07 Sep 13:20)
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 7 Sep 13:23
So I can't have a view without having a degree?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Mon 7 Sep 13:52
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 7 Sep 11:15
You simply don't get a second wave 17 days after a first.
You absolutely can. If the virus is only suppressed because people have stopped moving then you can and most likely will see an increase in the number of cases as people start moving again. The mitigation such as 2 meter distancing and wearing masks can help try and minimise the risk but it doesn't remove it. Factor in you have wallopers that can't seem to follow the risk mitigation processes and it helps the virus spread again.
The incubation period of the virus is 1 to 11 days with the average placed at 5. By day 17 you could very easily see an uptick in the number of cases which left unchecked would increase exponentially.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 7 Sep 14:42
Right, I'm oot. I should never have commented as I'm clearly completely wrong with what I said.
I'm not even try to pretend I know as much as you lot do about coronavirus. My knowledge is what's reported on TV and I don't have the time or inclination to go trawling the internet looking for the latest doom and gloom story so I can share it on .net
I've got a life to live, within guidelines obviously.
Enjoy yourselves.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Mon 7 Sep 15:27
C'mon dude! If everyone left discussions on .net because they were wrong about something or someone disagreed with them, this forum would be empty.
You may even disagree with what I said and I might be wrong but you didn't actually provide much of a rationale to back your statement up.
Personally I don't think anyone on here is looking for doom and gloom stories and if you've seen causes for optimism anywhere I'm sure folk would be happy to see some good news..
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Mon 7 Sep 16:06
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 7 Sep 13:23
So I can't have a view without having a degree?
Yes you can but you made a definite statement so I assumed you had other knowledge to back up this statement. You clearly don't. You can have a view but if it's wrong then acknowledge that.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Mon 7 Sep 16:09
If you want to think of this in terms of waves, you need to take into account the size of each wave.
The UK was hit by a big wave earlier in the year.
Australia was hit by a small one.
By the end of May, 1 in 1700 people in the UK had died with Covid.
By the same time, 1 in 250000 people in Australia had died.
That made the 'first wave' around 150 times worse in the UK than in Australia.
Australia is having a larger second wave now, but this might only be because the first wave was stopped early before it could do the kind of damage seen elsewhere around the world.
Even now, 1 in 33000 Australians have died with Covid. This unfortunately means that either the second wave will get bigger, or it will be managed successfully but followed by subsequent waves. A vaccine is the only thing that might slow or stop this.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 7 Sep 16:22
In all walks of life and throughout the world expertise has been challenged and even discredited but those who challenge and discredit seem to think they are experts too.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Mon 7 Sep 16:45
I don't want to go all happy-clappy on everyone, but I'm going to say that nearly everyone could be correct on this thread (well, apart from the minor insults).
Depending on how you define waves, Australia can be said to be having a second wave. You could also call it an interrupted first wave. Either way, OzPar is right and it is much worse now than it was earlier in the year.
While there was 'officially' 17 days between the waves, in reality is was closer to 2 months (late April to late June). This is because the lockdown restrictions were kept in place until they were sure that the virus was under control, and that doesn't happen overnight.
The Spanish flu waves were very close together, but I think the second was a mutated strain that was more lethal than the first. This hasn't (thankfully) happened with coronavirus.
Without a vaccine, countries that didn't have a very big 'first wave' are almost certainly going to have a tough time in the future. For countries that did have a big first wave, the jury is still out. A lot of experts are talking about a difficult winter. They could be right, but they could also be very wrong (which I personally think is the case). Only time will tell.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Mon 7 Sep 18:16
Quote:
aaaaaaaaaargh, Mon 7 Sep 16:45
I don't want to go all happy-clappy on everyone, but I'm going to say that nearly everyone could be correct on this thread (well, apart from the minor insults).
Depending on how you define waves, Australia can be said to be having a second wave. You could also call it an interrupted first wave. Either way, OzPar is right and it is much worse now than it was earlier in the year.
While there was 'officially' 17 days between the waves, in reality is was closer to 2 months (late April to late June). This is because the lockdown restrictions were kept in place until they were sure that the virus was under control, and that doesn't happen overnight.
The Spanish flu waves were very close together, but I think the second was a mutated strain that was more lethal than the first. This hasn't (thankfully) happened with coronavirus.
Without a vaccine, countries that didn't have a very big 'first wave' are almost certainly going to have a tough time in the future. For countries that did have a big first wave, the jury is still out. A lot of experts are talking about a difficult winter. They could be right, but they could also be very wrong (which I personally think is the case). Only time will tell.
The Spanish flu Indeed did mutate but the main cause of the number deaths was as a result of soldiers coming home from war. Also the health and hygiene were very poor in the early 1900's.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 7 Sep 18:29
Quote:
moviescot, Mon 7 Sep 16:06
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 7 Sep 13:23
So I can't have a view without having a degree?
Yes you can but you made a definite statement so I assumed you had other knowledge to back up this statement. You clearly don't. You can have a view but if it's wrong then acknowledge that.
Read my post above and wind your neck in.
FWIW drawing comparisons between pandemics over a century apart has to be pretty pointless for the reasons given above not forgetting advanced technologies.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Mon 07 Sep 18:32)
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 7 Sep 18:30
I think an interrupted or paused first wave is nearer reality than a second wave
All the precautions put in place including lockdowns certainly curtailed the spread
Then when we thought it was safe to go back in the water pack the beaches pubs restaurants low and behold it is spreading again
Go on holiday to France ......Er no wait ......come back quick
Go to Greece ........Er no ......come back quick
Go to Portugal .......etc etc etc
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 7 Sep 18:36
Quote:
Buspasspar, Mon 7 Sep 18:30
I think an interrupted or paused first wave is nearer reality than a second wave
All the precautions put in place including lockdowns certainly curtailed the spread
Then when we thought it was safe to go back in the water pack the beaches pubs restaurants low and behold it is spreading again
Go on holiday to France ......Er no wait ......come back quick
Go to Greece ........Er no ......come back quick
Go to Portugal .......etc etc etc
Pubs, restaurants and beaches are not packed, unless you count that one weekend the sun came out to play mid July. Wish you would stop saying that.
The hospitality trade is on its erse .
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Mon 07 Sep 18:36)
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Mon 7 Sep 18:39
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 7 Sep 18:29
Quote:
moviescot, Mon 7 Sep 16:06
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 7 Sep 13:23
So I can't have a view without having a degree?
Yes you can but you made a definite statement so I assumed you had other knowledge to back up this statement. You clearly don't. You can have a view but if it's wrong then acknowledge that.
Read my post above and wind your neck in.
FWIW drawing comparisons between pandemics over a century apart has to be pretty pointless for the reasons given above not forgetting advanced technologies.
Thought you were leaving. Just can't help yourself. And RUDE.
Viruses don't recognise technology. Not sure what your point of there. I did mention party of the Spanish flu read so bad was because of the poor health and hygiene.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 7 Sep 18:50
Quote:
moviescot, Mon 7 Sep 18:39
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 7 Sep 18:29
Quote:
moviescot, Mon 7 Sep 16:06
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 7 Sep 13:23
So I can't have a view without having a degree?
Yes you can but you made a definite statement so I assumed you had other knowledge to back up this statement. You clearly don't. You can have a view but if it's wrong then acknowledge that.
Read my post above and wind your neck in.
FWIW drawing comparisons between pandemics over a century apart has to be pretty pointless for the reasons given above not forgetting advanced technologies.
Thought you were leaving. Just can't help yourself. And RUDE.
Viruses don't recognise technology. Not sure what your point of there. I did mention party of the Spanish flu read so bad was because of the poor health and hygiene.
Oh dear was I rude? I'm very sorry. That was after me being called amongst other things a simpleton earlier.
Surely you'll appreciate technology has to help the fight against covid?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 7 Sep 19:11
Dano we will have to agree to disagree on the beaches pubs and restaurants
Yes they are on their erse but so are many other industries
I can assure you quite categorically that it was more than one sunny day It has been non stop here and many times worse down South
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 7 Sep 19:40
I was in a popular Italian restaurant in Kirkcaldy last Saturday night. You're lucky if it was one third full. It's simply not fair to pin all this on pubs and restaurants.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Mon 7 Sep 21:37
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 7 Sep 18:50
Quote:
moviescot, Mon 7 Sep 18:39
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 7 Sep 18:29
Quote:
moviescot, Mon 7 Sep 16:06
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 7 Sep 13:23
So I can't have a view without having a degree?
Yes you can but you made a definite statement so I assumed you had other knowledge to back up this statement. You clearly don't. You can have a view but if it's wrong then acknowledge that.
Read my post above and wind your neck in.
FWIW drawing comparisons between pandemics over a century apart has to be pretty pointless for the reasons given above not forgetting advanced technologies.
Thought you were leaving. Just can't help yourself. And RUDE.
Viruses don't recognise technology. Not sure what your point of there. I did mention party of the Spanish flu read so bad was because of the poor health and hygiene.
Oh dear was I rude? I'm very sorry. That was after me being called amongst other things a simpleton earlier.
Surely you'll appreciate technology has to help the fight against covid?
Who called you a simpleton? What technology is currently fighting covid? Vaccines?
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Mon 7 Sep 21:40
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 7 Sep 19:40
I was in a popular Italian restaurant in Kirkcaldy last Saturday night. You're lucky if it was one third full. It's simply not fair to pin all this on pubs and restaurants.
Because that's what is causing it. Pubs mainly. Living in Aberdeen I have first hand experience. Trust me it was pubs that caused the Aberdeen spike. Specific pubs who did not follow the guidelines. Nothing else. Restaurants were probably not as involved.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Mon 7 Sep 21:57
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/500000-covid19-math-mistake-panic/
Here’s an article in Russia Today by an English doctor. RT is known as the voice of the Kremlin and has also become very anti-Biden/pro-Trump of late but it does air a wide range of opinions. His basic starting point is the one made by right wingers like Peter Hitchens and left wingers like Piers Corbtyn: the covid threat followed by lockdowns was a panic reaction, which in his opinion was caused by statistical errors made and accepted from the outset.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 7 Sep 23:29
.....and you lot thought I talked a lot of sh1te?!
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 8 Sep 00:57
Quote:
moviescot, Mon 7 Sep 21:40
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 7 Sep 19:40
I was in a popular Italian restaurant in Kirkcaldy last Saturday night. You're lucky if it was one third full. It's simply not fair to pin all this on pubs and restaurants.
Because that's what is causing it. Pubs mainly. Living in Aberdeen I have first hand experience. Trust me it was pubs that caused the Aberdeen spike. Specific pubs who did not follow the guidelines. Nothing else. Restaurants were probably not as involved.
So you'd agree it'd be harsh in the extreme to tar all pub owners and restaurants with same brush?
Refer to Dr Oz post from yesterday morning for the abuse I was referring to simply for disagreeing with him. I've had a 2 week ban for far less. Not that I'm bothered in the slightest.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Tue 08 Sep 00:58)
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Tue 8 Sep 12:46
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 8 Sep 00:57
Quote:
moviescot, Mon 7 Sep 21:40
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 7 Sep 19:40
I was in a popular Italian restaurant in Kirkcaldy last Saturday night. You're lucky if it was one third full. It's simply not fair to pin all this on pubs and restaurants.
Because that's what is causing it. Pubs mainly. Living in Aberdeen I have first hand experience. Trust me it was pubs that caused the Aberdeen spike. Specific pubs who did not follow the guidelines. Nothing else. Restaurants were probably not as involved.
So you'd agree it'd be harsh in the extreme to tar all pub owners and restaurants with same brush?
Refer to Dr Oz post from yesterday morning for the abuse I was referring to simply for disagreeing with him. I've had a 2 week ban for far less. Not that I'm bothered in the slightest.
I think it's very harsh to tar all pubs and restaurants the same. Unfortunately it only takes one or two idiots to spoil it for everyone.
In Aberdeen prior to our lockdown, I visited 4 pubs all of which were very careful and were following guidelines.
However, at the same time one pub group, a local company, did absolutely nothing. When the list of problem pubs were released all bar one of their chain of pubs was on the list.
The main pub involved with all the queueing was actually asking strangers to sit together inside. And I understand so we several of the other pubs in the chain.
This is disgraceful. So have they been specifically punished. No they haven't and in fact they have been allowed to close off a road to gain outside space. Why is this? It's because they have influence on the council.
They should have been fined and their licence revoked. We need to punish the culprits in order to give the people trying hard to work through this a chance.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Tue 8 Sep 12:48
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 8 Sep 00:57
Quote:
moviescot, Mon 7 Sep 21:40
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 7 Sep 19:40
I was in a popular Italian restaurant in Kirkcaldy last Saturday night. You're lucky if it was one third full. It's simply not fair to pin all this on pubs and restaurants.
Because that's what is causing it. Pubs mainly. Living in Aberdeen I have first hand experience. Trust me it was pubs that caused the Aberdeen spike. Specific pubs who did not follow the guidelines. Nothing else. Restaurants were probably not as involved.
So you'd agree it'd be harsh in the extreme to tar all pub owners and restaurants with same brush?
Refer to Dr Oz post from yesterday morning for the abuse I was referring to simply for disagreeing with him. I've had a 2 week ban for far less. Not that I'm bothered in the slightest.
I see the post now. Bit ott from him there.
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Tue 8 Sep 13:40
For once, I have to agree with da no 1.
I did let my feelings get the better of me yesterday and I let rip at him probably more than I should have. For that I apologise.
Post Edited (Tue 08 Sep 13:40)
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 8 Sep 13:54
Good Man Oz
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Tue 8 Sep 14:03
Quote:
OzPar, Tue 8 Sep 13:40
For once, I have to agree with da no 1.
I did let my feelings get the better of me yesterday and I let rip at him probably more than I should have. For that I apologise.
To be fair to you Oz, I thought you were spot on
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 8 Sep 14:19
Not a problem Oz
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Tue 8 Sep 14:39
While there's a .Net love in ill apologise as well if my post came across as blunt but from a neutrals perspective your post actually came across as being really dismissive of the post Oz made without much in the way to back it up. It maybe wasn't your intent either?
Sammer - thanks. I like RT and as you say as long as you keep in mind it works as the other cheek of the same @rse to our media it helps keep context. Also doesn't mean its automatically wring either.
Its caused me to go back and do some reading but the Doc is actually Scottish living in England. He's come under some flak before on his views on other things and has been removed as a source for Wiki for his views but giving it a proper read as I think its an interesting area.
Post Edited (Tue 08 Sep 14:40)
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 8 Sep 14:46
I reacted to a post I viewed as a bit on the over-dramatic, negative, Holloywood-trailer-esque side in the wrong way. I can't help myself!
I didn't see how it was possible to rid a country of a virus then for it to re-appear 17 days later in "second wave" form. Others have pointed out how this is quite possible.
Someone pointed out previously that maybe Australia maybe didn't catch the virus as badly as Europe did first time around, so OzPars' point that this time around it will be "worse.....much much worse" maybe is true for them.
I suppose I'm just hoping/praying that any second wave heading our way won't reach the levels from April/May.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Tue 08 Sep 14:46)
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 8 Sep 15:31
You should have seen Alan Sugar on Good Morning today, catch it and make your own mind up!
Oh by the way, get back to work and fill those offices!😡😡😡
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 8 Sep 18:45
Good man da no 1
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 8 Sep 22:02
da no 1 this is probably the best answer to your response :-
Health Secretary Matt Hancock blamed some pubs for spreading the virus in the Greater Manchester town which now has "the highest case rate in the country."
Some pubs da not all pubs
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 8 Sep 22:11
Quote:
Buspasspar, Tue 8 Sep 22:02
da no 1 this is probably the best answer to your response :-
Health Secretary Matt Hancock blamed some pubs for spreading the virus in the Greater Manchester town which now has "the highest case rate in the country."
Some pubs da not all pubs
Exactly. So the rules need to be enforced rather than hammering businesses who are doing all they can to prevent the virus from spreading
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 8 Sep 22:19
correct da no 1
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Wed 9 Sep 08:22
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da_no_1, Tue 8 Sep 22:11
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Buspasspar, Tue 8 Sep 22:02
da no 1 this is probably the best answer to your response :-
Health Secretary Matt Hancock blamed some pubs for spreading the virus in the Greater Manchester town which now has "the highest case rate in the country."
Some pubs da not all pubs
Exactly. So the rules need to be enforced rather than hammering businesses who are doing all they can to prevent the virus from spreading
They need to hammer the pubs that break the rules
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 9 Sep 10:54
Go to work with hundreds....sound.
Serve thousand at a till a day....sound.
See friends, dance, live music....nah sorry you're killing people.
Ripping the pi5h now.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 9 Sep 11:38
Could you spell out exactly what your point is, Rasta? You seem to be saying the government is happy for people to go shopping or to go to work (actually in Scotland at least people are still being encouraged to work from home if possible) to get the economy going but they don't want people to enjoy communal entertainment or socialise at home.
If so, why would they do that? As far as entertainment goes, if they were motivated purely by economic motives, would you not expect them to encourage that as it would also stimulate the economy? Are you saying they discourage socialising at home just out of bloody-mindedness?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 9 Sep 11:50
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 9 Sep 10:54
Go to work with hundreds....sound.
Serve thousand at a till a day....sound.
See friends, dance, live music....nah sorry you're killing people.
Ripping the pi5h now.
Probably because most gig venues would be nigh on impossible to police. Even pubs being open indoors seems odd to me. An office or shop is a totally different environment and one where you can socially distance relatively easily.
Ignoring all of that, a socially distanced gig would be the least fun imaginable.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Wed 9 Sep 12:44
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 9 Sep 10:54
Go to work with hundreds....sound.
Serve thousand at a till a day....sound.
See friends, dance, live music....nah sorry you're killing people.
Ripping the pi5h now.
Really. Good grief.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 9 Sep 13:25
Find it strange that people from London are being told to go to Inverness for testing.
So they pass testing centres in Edinburgh and even Dunfermline plus more between us and the Borders.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 9 Sep 13:57
I went online for a test last Wednesday. the nearest drive-in appointment available was Aberdeen Airport or Fort William or Inverness. I live in Kirkcaldy. I ended up going to a walk-up test centre in St Andrews that had opened 2 days before.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 9 Sep 14:26
So now you're a conspiracy theorist for being alarmed at the vaccine trials producing I'll effects....
Really?
A conspiracy theorist for wanting proper testing and a working vaccine?
Oh the WHO want at least a 50% success rate....for a virus you are more than 50% likely to avoid?
By all means drones laugh away, lap it up, wear your muzzle.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Wed 9 Sep 14:39
I'm by no stretch of the imagination anti vac and I do think a vaccine is needed but a healthy amount of constructive cynicism doesn't do any harm in this area.
Although I didnt serve, I grew up with a forces background and quite a few Gulf War veterans are still fighting the effects of medication they were provided and forced to take for their own protection.
The Government are under intense pressure to develop a vaccine to keep people safe and get the economy moving which in turn means that the people tasked with developing vaccines are under intense pressure to meet those objectives.
Proper rigour is needed to make sure the vaccines not only work but are safe too.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Wed 9 Sep 14:45
I forgot to say you also need to consider the financial incentive for the private companies as well but I know that's a bit of a given.
Post Edited (Wed 09 Sep 14:45)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 9 Sep 15:29
They've paused the trials of the vaccine that caused a reaction in one of the participants. Surely that's a good thing? So many folk on here just ignore anything that contradicts their own theories.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Wed 9 Sep 15:35
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londonparsfan, Wed 9 Sep 14:45
I forgot to say you also need to consider the financial incentive for the private companies as well but I know that's a bit of a given.
Getting a vaccine for this will be one of the biggest breakthroughs in human history. There has never been a vaccine produced for any type of coronavirus. If developed this will be a first
Imagine the amount of work/school days that would be saved of we had a cold vaccine. Never happened but of course there probably has not been a lot of money thrown at it as it is considered a minor illness
And the other main coronavirus SARS. Millions were thrown at this with very little success. Fortunately Sars disappeared as quickly as it appeared.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Wed 9 Sep 16:30
If we could make a safe and effective vaccine for the common cold then we would. Even though it is mostly a minor illness, the cost savings would be huge.
The main blocking factor at the moment is that the common cold is a complex mix of viruses and strains and it is difficult to have a vaccine that protects against all (or most) of them at the same time.
As Wee Eck says, the fact that they have paused the trials for one of these coronavirus vaccines is actually a good thing if you are worried about companies and governments going too fast and taking too many risks. The independent panel that are looking into this case will not let the trial restart unless they are convinced that it is safe to do so.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Wed 9 Sep 16:58
I'd be very hopeful that is the case too but you saw what happens to certification processes where Government bodies are under staffed/lack the expertise/are under political pressure/have commercial considerations with Boeing and their 737 Max 8s.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Wed 9 Sep 17:12
Haven't other countries already ddvelooed a working vaccine?
On a different note any chance of admin looking into creating a 'coronavirus pt4' thread? This one is getting a bit long for some mobile browsers.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 9 Sep 18:58
So seven of you can't go to a pub or house in England, here soon to follow...
But six of you can....and can be surrounded by other groups of six?
Taking the pi5h....or stealth herd immunity?
Mental😂
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: dd23
Date: Wed 9 Sep 19:10
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 9 Sep 18:58
So seven of you can't go to a pub or house in England, here soon to follow...
But six of you can....and can be surrounded by other groups of six?
Taking the pi5h....or stealth herd immunity?
Mental😂
Where would you draw the line then?
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Wed 9 Sep 19:19
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 9 Sep 18:58
So seven of you can't go to a pub or house in England, here soon to follow...
But six of you can....and can be surrounded by other groups of six?
Taking the pi5h....or stealth herd immunity?
Mental😂
I've been out to a few restaurants and pubs recently.
At no point would I say I was surrounded by people. They all were at least 2m from me, had to wear masks if leaving the table and most places have perspex screens up between tables.
All sensible precautions imo
Post Edited (Wed 09 Sep 19:20)
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