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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Thu 26 Nov 19:50
As requested..
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Thu 26 Nov 19:51
It’s like the never ending Fast & Furious Franchise and almost as implausible
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Thu 26 Nov 19:54
Officially more sequels than most films 🤣
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Thu 26 Nov 22:12
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Thu 26 Nov 22:36
Quote:
EEP, Thu 26 Nov 22:12
Loads of pupils sent home from Woodmill High today to get tested!
My daughter was ok as she was sitting 2 seats away in class as all pupils have been assigned seats🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
The wee mans primary 2&3 positive covid results but he’s ok as he’s P7....
I can see schools getting closed down again soon tbh.
Schools will not close unless teachers go on strike. If schools close its a potential disaster.
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Fri 27 Nov 06:34
Quote:
moviescot, Thu 26 Nov 22:36
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EEP, Thu 26 Nov 22:12
Loads of pupils sent home from Woodmill High today to get tested!
My daughter was ok as she was sitting 2 seats away in class as all pupils have been assigned seats🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
The wee mans primary 2&3 positive covid results but he’s ok as he’s P7....
I can see schools getting closed down again soon tbh.
Schools will not close unless teachers go on strike. If schools close its a potential disaster.
Think they are just going off on the sick to get away from it. They need to strike and speak up about the situation. It’s definitely where the high numbers are coming from . How can you have kids in class with heating on full blast n windows open. Surely a breeding ground for germs/ cold ( coronavirus).
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 27 Nov 07:31
Schools will be closing in a couple of weeks for Christmas anyway.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 27 Nov 08:00
Not to be pedantic but it`s another three and a half weeks.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 27 Nov 08:13
Fair point. Suggestions the Christmas break may be extended to 11/01 now.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Fri 27 Nov 08:20
Quote:
dander par, Fri 27 Nov 06:34
Quote:
moviescot, Thu 26 Nov 22:36
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EEP, Thu 26 Nov 22:12
Loads of pupils sent home from Woodmill High today to get tested!
My daughter was ok as she was sitting 2 seats away in class as all pupils have been assigned seats🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
The wee mans primary 2&3 positive covid results but he’s ok as he’s P7....
I can see schools getting closed down again soon tbh.
Schools will not close unless teachers go on strike. If schools close its a potential disaster.
Think they are just going off on the sick to get away from it. They need to strike and speak up about the situation. It’s definitely where the high numbers are coming from . How can you have kids in class with heating on full blast n windows open. Surely a breeding ground for germs/ cold ( coronavirus).
My daughter's school has had precisely no cases so it's not where the high numbers came from. Aberdeen had a spike a week ago and again this week. This was traced back to an outdoor pub venue which had the Scotland game on. They broke all the social distancing rules and we have the spikes. There have been around about 10 cases in Aberdeen relating to schools and even then it's not clear there was any transmission in the schools.
Post Edited (Fri 27 Nov 08:22)
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Topic Originator: Mr Mac
Date: Fri 27 Nov 09:40
This story on the BBC website might just give a clue where its spreading.
Short version is Glasgow City Council felt they had to write to parents asking them not to have sleepovers for primary kids or parties for teens as track and trace showed these were a major factor in spreading Covid-19.
Parents in the article stating they had done this and would continue as they are 'entitled'....
Post Edited (Fri 27 Nov 09:41)
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 27 Nov 12:59
2 weeks to flatten the curve....now we have "freedom passes".
Wake up, this is politics now, not medicine.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Fri 27 Nov 13:05
Quote:
Rastapari, Fri 27 Nov 12:59
2 weeks to flatten the curve....now we have "freedom passes".
Wake up, this is politics now, not medicine.
It’s been politics since start Rasta in disguise of a virus
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Fri 27 Nov 15:28
Quote:
moviescot, Fri 27 Nov 08:20
Quote:
dander par, Fri 27 Nov 06:34
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moviescot, Thu 26 Nov 22:36
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EEP, Thu 26 Nov 22:12
Loads of pupils sent home from Woodmill High today to get tested!
My daughter was ok as she was sitting 2 seats away in class as all pupils have been assigned seats🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
The wee mans primary 2&3 positive covid results but he’s ok as he’s P7....
I can see schools getting closed down again soon tbh.
Schools will not close unless teachers go on strike. If schools close its a potential disaster.
Think they are just going off on the sick to get away from it. They need to strike and speak up about the situation. It’s definitely where the high numbers are coming from . How can you have kids in class with heating on full blast n windows open. Surely a breeding ground for germs/ cold ( coronavirus).
My daughter's school has had precisely no cases so it's not where the high numbers came from. Aberdeen had a spike a week ago and again this week. This was traced back to an outdoor pub venue which had the Scotland game on. They broke all the social distancing rules and we have the spikes. There have been around about 10 cases in Aberdeen relating to schools and even then it's not clear there was any transmission in the schools.
As an update. Daughter's school has just confirmed it's first pupil (S6 girl) as having covid. We know the girl. She works in accessorize in the town. This is where she caught it as a fellow worker was a confirmed case.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Fri 27 Nov 15:30
Quote:
Rastapari, Fri 27 Nov 12:59
2 weeks to flatten the curve....now we have "freedom passes".
Wake up, this is politics now, not medicine.
Freedom passed. England has had these for years. It's the oap bus pass.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 27 Nov 15:48
"The covid 19 outbreak is the first big step to unprecedented control over mankind"
Klaus Schwab...founder and executive chairman of The World Economic Forum.
Nice.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Fri 27 Nov 16:01
Quote:
Rastapari, Fri 27 Nov 15:48
"The covid 19 outbreak is the first big step to unprecedented control over mankind"
Klaus Schwab...founder and executive chairman of The World Economic Forum.
Nice.
Mibbe you should read the full context
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/now-is-the-time-for-a-great-reset/
“All of this will exacerbate the climate and social crises that were already underway. Some countries have already used the COVID-19 crisis as an excuse to weaken environmental protections and enforcement. And frustrations over social ills like rising inequality – US billionaires’ combined wealth has increased during the crisis – are intensifying.
Left unaddressed, these crises, together with COVID-19, will deepen and leave the world even less sustainable, less equal, and more fragile. Incremental measures and ad hoc fixes will not suffice to prevent this scenario. We must build entirely new foundations for our economic and social systems.”
“The COVID-19 crisis is affecting every facet of people’s lives in every corner of the world. But tragedy need not be its only legacy. On the contrary, the pandemic represents a rare but narrow window of opportunity to reflect, reimagine, and reset our world to create a healthier, more equitable, and more prosperous future.”
Also Klaus Schwab - he sounds like a real monster 🤦🏻♂️
Post Edited (Fri 27 Nov 16:01)
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 27 Nov 16:29
Quote:
P, Fri 27 Nov 16:01
Quote:
Rastapari, Fri 27 Nov 15:48
"The covid 19 outbreak is the first big step to unprecedented control over mankind"
Klaus Schwab...founder and executive chairman of The World Economic Forum.
Nice.
Mibbe you should read the full context
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/now-is-the-time-for-a-great-reset/
“All of this will exacerbate the climate and social crises that were already underway. Some countries have already used the COVID-19 crisis as an excuse to weaken environmental protections and enforcement. And frustrations over social ills like rising inequality – US billionaires’ combined wealth has increased during the crisis – are intensifying.
Left unaddressed, these crises, together with COVID-19, will deepen and leave the world even less sustainable, less equal, and more fragile. Incremental measures and ad hoc fixes will not suffice to prevent this scenario. We must build entirely new foundations for our economic and social systems.”
“The COVID-19 crisis is affecting every facet of people’s lives in every corner of the world. But tragedy need not be its only legacy. On the contrary, the pandemic represents a rare but narrow window of opportunity to reflect, reimagine, and reset our world to create a healthier, more equitable, and more prosperous future.”
Also Klaus Schwab - he sounds like a real monster 🤦🏻♂️
Oh I read the whole thing, if you believe the big players there are all for your best interests, crack on.
Have a deeper look into him.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 27 Nov 16:38
One of the cruellest things about this is making small businesses spend thousands to make their premises safe and they get dumped on....again.
Want to get fat on Macdonald's?
Sure.
Want to get fit.
Nah.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Fri 27 Nov 19:03
Quote:
Rastapari, Fri 27 Nov 16:29
Quote:
P, Fri 27 Nov 16:01
Quote:
Rastapari, Fri 27 Nov 15:48
"The covid 19 outbreak is the first big step to unprecedented control over mankind"
Klaus Schwab...founder and executive chairman of The World Economic Forum.
Nice.
Mibbe you should read the full context
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/now-is-the-time-for-a-great-reset/
“All of this will exacerbate the climate and social crises that were already underway. Some countries have already used the COVID-19 crisis as an excuse to weaken environmental protections and enforcement. And frustrations over social ills like rising inequality – US billionaires’ combined wealth has increased during the crisis – are intensifying.
Left unaddressed, these crises, together with COVID-19, will deepen and leave the world even less sustainable, less equal, and more fragile. Incremental measures and ad hoc fixes will not suffice to prevent this scenario. We must build entirely new foundations for our economic and social systems.”
“The COVID-19 crisis is affecting every facet of people’s lives in every corner of the world. But tragedy need not be its only legacy. On the contrary, the pandemic represents a rare but narrow window of opportunity to reflect, reimagine, and reset our world to create a healthier, more equitable, and more prosperous future.”
Also Klaus Schwab - he sounds like a real monster 🤦🏻♂️
Oh I read the whole thing, if you believe the big players there are all for your best interests, crack on.
Have a deeper look into him.
Yes George soros, bill gates. Rothschilds. Windsor’s to name a few
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 27 Nov 20:01
Gee Whiz :-
I can`t make the link work
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55101058
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Thu 3 Dec 21:07
Oh Jings
More than 60,000 people in the UK have now died within 28 days of a positive Covid-19 test, official figures show.
A further 414 were recorded on Thursday, taking the total to 60,113.
Two other ways of measuring deaths - where Covid is mentioned on the death certificate, and the number of "excess deaths" for this time of year - give higher total figures.
Only the US, Brazil, India and Mexico have recorded more deaths than the UK, according to Johns Hopkins University.
However, the UK has had more deaths per 100,000 people than any of those nations.
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: dd23
Date: Sat 5 Dec 05:37
Quote:
Buspasspar, Thu 03 Dec 21:07
Oh Jings
More than 60,000 people in the UK have now died within 28 days of a positive Covid-19 test, official figures show.
A further 414 were recorded on Thursday, taking the total to 60,113.
Two other ways of measuring deaths - where Covid is mentioned on the death certificate, and the number of "excess deaths" for this time of year - give higher total figures.
Only the US, Brazil, India and Mexico have recorded more deaths than the UK, according to Johns Hopkins University.
However, the UK has had more deaths per 100,000 people than any of those nations.
How can that be true, I read that you’re more likely to be killed by a lion in Cowdenbeath high street 😜
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Topic Originator: Westies squint kicks
Date: Thu 10 Dec 11:47
67 cases at Canmore Lodge Care Home, 35 residents, 32 staff, poor old dears, unlikely this`ll end well.
Post Edited (Thu 10 Dec 17:04)
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 10 Dec 12:49
Not good figures from the home in Crossgates either, 6 residents have died!RIP ❤
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 10 Dec 13:22
Just had an email from friends in the US - apparently a significant rise in cases across the country post Thanksgiving.
The family gatherings apparently the source of cross contamination.
Makes one wonder about the fallout from the upcoming Christmas 5 day relaxation scenario.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Thu 10 Dec 13:34
"One of the cruellest things about this is making small businesses spend thousands to make their premises safe and they get dumped on....again.
Want to get fat on Macdonald`s?
Sure.
Want to get fit.
Nah."
It is sad that all businesses are suffering - but you don`t need to go to a gym to exercise physically, there are ample outdoor options.
For example, bike sales have increased greatly since Spring.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 10 Dec 15:36
^^^where to start with this p*sh^^^
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 13 Dec 17:18
Its a long read LA but well worth it thanks for sharing Wonder why we don`t hear about any of this on Aunty :)
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Sun 13 Dec 20:57
Rasta the point of the vaccine is it will save lives and it will mean the country can get back to normallity without overwhelming the NHS.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 14 Dec 17:05
The BBC is now reporting that a new variant of Covid-19 is currently spreading quickly through the south of England, according to Matt Hancock.
Are the vaccines coming on stream likely to protect against any new variants of the virus, or will they need to modify them?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 14 Dec 17:17
Having an `o` level in both Physics and Metalwork G.G. I think I`m qualified enough to say they will have to be modified to match the new mutant strain
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 14 Dec 18:38
Quote:
GG Riva, Mon 14 Dec 17:05
The BBC is now reporting that a new variant of Covid-19 is currently spreading quickly through the south of England, according to Matt Hancock.
Are the vaccines coming on stream likely to protect against any new variants of the virus, or will they need to modify them?
Isn't this what happens every year with flu? Your flu vaccine this year wasn't the same as last year. They look at what strains are most prevalent and immunise against those.
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Mon 14 Dec 19:05
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Mon 14 Dec 19:58
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 15 Dec 09:41
Quote:
GG Riva, Mon 14 Dec 17:05
The BBC is now reporting that a new variant of Covid-19 is currently spreading quickly through the south of England, according to Matt Hancock.
Are the vaccines coming on stream likely to protect against any new variants of the virus, or will they need to modify them?
A virus with near perfect timing.
Did Hancock greet this time?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: dander par
Date: Tue 15 Dec 10:07
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 15 Dec 09:41
Quote:
GG Riva, Mon 14 Dec 17:05
The BBC is now reporting that a new variant of Covid-19 is currently spreading quickly through the south of England, according to Matt Hancock.
Are the vaccines coming on stream likely to protect against any new variants of the virus, or will they need to modify them?
A virus with near perfect timing.
Did Hancock greet this time?
Just in time for Christmas lockdown n make folk think twice about enjoying Christmas Day with family. Ps is the Scottish border closed to stop the strain reaching up here . In a real pandemic all borders would close 🤔
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Tue 15 Dec 10:08
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-should-we-be-worried-about-coronavirus-mutating-and-could-it-affect-the-vaccine-12161566
The virus has been regularly mutating
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Topic Originator: dave67
Date: Sun 20 Dec 13:32
The uk government has known about this new strain since September.
I`m guessing all the mini lockdown where trying to prevent it spreading.
Pity it never worked.
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Topic Originator: dave67
Date: Sun 20 Dec 13:32
The uk government has known about this new strain since September.
I`m guessing all the mini lockdown where trying to prevent it spreading.
Pity it never worked.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 20 Dec 13:36
Dave is also multiplying!
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Topic Originator: wetherby
Date: Mon 4 Jan 10:29
Looks like its about to get a whole lot tougher.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 4 Jan 12:02
Boris the Brave saying:- "Schools are very very safe"
Tony Hancock saying :- "When schools are open that spreads the disease more"
"I have mixed emotions about sending my own children"
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 4 Jan 12:07
Quote:
Buspasspar, Mon 4 Jan 12:02
Boris the Brave saying:- "Schools are very very safe"
Tony Hancock saying :- "When schools are open that spreads the disease more"
"I have mixed emotions about sending my own children"
Hancock always was "The Rebel" 😉
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 10 Jan 14:30
Knowing someone who's caught a serious dose of Covid doesn't half bring it home. A 3rd cousin of mine in Edinburgh got home from the Royal Infirmary ICU, on Thursday after a two week stay, which included a week on a ventilator, when he was completely out of it. I called him at home earlier today. He was sitting in an armchair but speaking was an effort and his breathing was audibly laboured. I asked him if he had dismissed himself from hospital when he's still clearly unwell. "No", he replied, "the doctors told me I was no longer critically ill and they needed the bed, as the queue was out the door."
He's 59.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: parfection
Date: Sun 10 Jan 18:10
“Knowing someone who`s caught a serious dose of Covid doesn`t half bring it home.”
Agreed, 100%. My wife’s uncle had a couple of weeks in hospital and he has little memory of most of it. We had the same experience as GG afterwards - when we called he was quite breathless and he felt abandoned at home. He was sent home to make space for others.
Good luck and very best wishes to all on here who have either had this awful condition or had to look out for an ailing loved one.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Sun 10 Jan 19:25
My wife works in a pharmacy. Her former pharmacist was very ill with covid in April of last year. Visited hospital but was not deemed ill enough. This was at the first pandemic height. She lost her taste, smell and was very breathless.
She recovered but was still feeling horrible in August. Has had to gradually build up to walking distances. This is a lady who had done several Ironmans.
In November she again felt a bit strange and went for another covid test. She was positive again. Again no taste, smell and once again breathless.
She is still feeling generally unwell but gradually improving.
She is 29 years old.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sun 10 Jan 19:56
4 out of our family of 5 had the virus at the end of November. Only my 16 year old avoided it - I don't know how. He had 2 negative tests in a week.
3 of us have had only mild effects although my 14 year old son had headaches and high temperatures for a good fortnight. My wife has the dreaded lingering exhaustion though. She's a school classroom assistant and regularly does 15000 steps a day at work but during the holidays we tried to go out for a wee walk with the dog and she had to turn and go back to the car after 300 yards. I just can't see when she'll be back at work as she doesn't seem to be improving.
I can't help but think we've been lucky though. We're both over 50 and I wouldn't fancy catching it when the health service is as under as much pressure as it is now.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 10 Jan 21:03
Some great posts on here with first hand experience of this horrible virus.... reading them puts it all into perspective
There are no stable rules or individual age and fitness levels that can deter it
But I am dismayed by the idiots who cannot follow the law and ultimately will play a big part in killing their fellow human beings
My thoughts and good wishes to all and hope you make a full recovery
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 10 Jan 21:17
Supposedly a gathering of covidiots is happening tomorrow in Edinburgh. No chance of these people seeing sense, they have none, but hopefully the police can quickly disperse them with out to many infections taking place.
Post Edited (Sun 10 Jan 21:21)
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 10 Jan 21:24
The vast majority of people are doing what's asked of them. Obviously that isn't worth reading so we're subjected to endless dramatic readings from the The "Co-vidiot" diaries.
Best wishes to all those who currently have it and Jimmy H I hope the missus is on the mend
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 10 Jan 22:50
People can have genuine views on how COVID is being handled (like Rasta has), but anyone denying the effects of COVID must be either naive or thick as mince.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 11 Jan 00:06
Quote:
jake89, Sun 10 Jan 22:50
People can have genuine views on how COVID is being handled (like Rasta has), but anyone denying the effects of COVID must be either naive or thick as mince.
Who's been doing that?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 11 Jan 06:55
Well first day I've felt anywhere near normal, up at 6.30 porridge made along with a nice cup of coffee, Spotify mix on and loving it!
Probably be back in my bed by 10.00am, but here's hoping 🤞😷
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Topic Originator: Thaipar
Date: Mon 11 Jan 08:08
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Mon 11 Jan 06:55
Well first day I've felt anywhere near normal, up at 6.30 porridge made along with a nice cup of coffee, Spotify mix on and loving it!
Probably be back in my bed by 10.00am, but here's hoping 🤞😷
Glad you are on the mend LA.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 11 Jan 08:25
Good Man LA
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 11 Jan 18:51
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 11 Jan 00:06
Quote:
jake89, Sun 10 Jan 22:50
People can have genuine views on how COVID is being handled (like Rasta has), but anyone denying the effects of COVID must be either naive or thick as mince.
Who's been doing that?
The woman who went round the hospital down south (to outpatients, on a bank holiday...) with no mask on claiming it was a hoax and there were no wards packed with COVID patients.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 11 Jan 19:33
Follow the rules says PM who went 7 miles from home to take a cycle ride.
Do as you are told not as we do.
That'll ease scepticism.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 11 Jan 19:40
Completely agree Rasta. Do as I say, not as I do. Which is why that idiot used up a load of NHS resources last year and why one of his posse somehow got away with travelling hundreds of miles after testing positive during a lockdown. The same guy who got off with driving to test his eyesight. The same guy who only got sacked/chose to leave because the PMs girlfriend doesn't like him. Our leader is a complete joke.
Oh, and add in his dad who repeatedly and publically broke the rules and then seemed to still not know them.when being interviewed by a woman who's husband has been in hospital for many months now with COVID.
As the campaign says - Led by donkeys.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Tue 12 Jan 06:14
Some decent actual MI here concluding ;
“it is plain, even with much of this pandemic still playing out, that this is already a moment of near unparalleled loss of life.
That this has happened in spite of some of the most severe lockdown restrictions ever endured by this country makes these numbers doubly striking. Some will ask whether they would have been many times higher were it not for the restrictions. Others will argue that mortality could be affected by these indirect decisions for many years to come. Either way, the toll of COVID-19 is becoming clearer, and the numbers are thoroughly depressing.”
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-how-mortality-rates-in-2020-compare-with-past-decades-and-centuries-12185275
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 12 Jan 08:46
"The woman who went round the hospital down south (to outpatients, on a bank holiday...) with no mask on claiming it was a hoax and there were no wards packed with COVID patients."
Oh right, her. She`s clearly unhinged though & I tend not to get to upset about what people like her do & say. The vast majority of the country know the score but as usual the focus will be on the tiny few that don`t.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 12 Jan 08:59
She does have a rather concerning band of followers. I'm not sure how political parties, but surely they vet people before allowing them to stand for election?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 12 Jan 09:34
Our politicians don't seem to scared of covid, breaking the rules left right and centre.
And the majority just accept it and beg for more cell time.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 12 Jan 10:37
"And the majority just accept it and beg for more cell time."
Stop talking p*sh FFS
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 12 Jan 10:44
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 12 Jan 10:37
"And the majority just accept it and beg for more cell time."
Stop talking p*sh FFS
Oh really?
Are there not calls for even tougher lockdown for our politicians to enforce and ignore?
Now talking about being allowed out once a week and absolutely no family or friends....that'll help those suffering loneliness and mental health but hey, there's only covid now.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 12 Jan 10:45
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 12 Jan 10:44
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 12 Jan 10:37
"And the majority just accept it and beg for more cell time."
Stop talking p*sh FFS
Oh really?
Are there not calls for even tougher lockdown for our politicians to enforce and ignore?
Now talking about being allowed out once a week and absolutely no family or friends....that'll help those suffering loneliness and mental health but hey, there's only covid now.
Two weeks to flatten the curve.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 12 Jan 10:52
Did you just reply to your own post there Rasta?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 12 Jan 11:16
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Tue 12 Jan 10:52
Did you just reply to your own post there Rasta?
No, try reading the quoted post, if you're going to try and be smart you gave to get it right, how embarrassing for you.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 12 Jan 11:26
No you posted two replies in a row, in the space of a minute, quoting your first post in the second.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 12 Jan 11:35
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 12 Jan 10:44
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 12 Jan 10:37
"And the majority just accept it and beg for more cell time."
Stop talking p*sh FFS
Oh really?
Are there not calls for even tougher lockdown for our politicians to enforce and ignore?
Now talking about being allowed out once a week and absolutely no family or friends....that'll help those suffering loneliness and mental health but hey, there's only covid now.
No one is begging for more restrictions to be introduced. Again if you want to hold together an argument, stop talking absolute nonsense all the time.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 12 Jan 12:20
If people actually followed the existing rules it would be a start.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Wed 13 Jan 06:53
Quote:
P, Tue 12 Jan 06:14
Some decent actual MI here concluding ;
“it is plain, even with much of this pandemic still playing out, that this is already a moment of near unparalleled loss of life.
That this has happened in spite of some of the most severe lockdown restrictions ever endured by this country makes these numbers doubly striking. Some will ask whether they would have been many times higher were it not for the restrictions. Others will argue that mortality could be affected by these indirect decisions for many years to come. Either way, the toll of COVID-19 is becoming clearer, and the numbers are thoroughly depressing.”
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-how-mortality-rates-in-2020-compare-with-past-decades-and-centuries-12185275
Very interesting read. Thank you.
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Wed 13 Jan 13:43
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Wed 13 Jan 14:13
``No one is begging for more restrictions to be introduced. Again if you want to hold together an argument, stop talking absolute nonsense all the time.``
Well someone must have been asking for more restrictions because they have just been announced by Nicola Sturgeon in the Holyrood Parliament. The Daily Mail is describing her decision as `beating Boris to the punch` so it is likely England will follow suit.
As reported, Ms Sturgeon`s remarks appear contradictory. She says Lockdown is clearly not working but if the situation were to stabilise this would be entirely due to Lockdown. Her logic seems to be if a policy isn`t working, then do more of the same.
sammer
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 13 Jan 14:20
Quote:
BigJPar, Wed 13 Jan 13:43
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 12 Jan 09:34
Our politicians don't seem to scared of covid, breaking the rules left right and centre.
And the majority just accept it and beg for more cell time.
What a load of nonsense. The voice of someone who seems to think they are superior
You're saying politicians haven't been caught breaking the rules, really?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 13 Jan 14:22
And another friend gets their urgent cancer treatment "paused" because of covid.
Nothing but covid covid covid.
This is potentially 3 kids left without a parent....but hey....covid right?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Wed 13 Jan 14:37
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Wed 13 Jan 14:42
Be careful..
Admin
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Topic Originator: dave67
Date: Wed 13 Jan 14:44
In the last year I`ve lost 4 friends from cancer. Rasta has a wider friends list than me
So probably a fair few would be my answer
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 13 Jan 15:19
Sammer - see my post from Tue 12 Jan 10:37
Rasta states "the majority just accept it and beg for more cell time"
Think you`ve missed the point I was trying to make - that he should work for a tabloid with all the sensationalist garbage he posts.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Wed 13 Jan 15:49
He was using emotive language I agree.
But the majority of citizens still support Lockdown despite little progress after nine months.
As for supporting tougher restrictions, there have been posters on here asking that Nicola Sturgeon do exactly that, which she has announced this afternoon.
So in terms of fact Rastapari was on the right lines, even although he shows little sympathy for the valid reasons citizens might have for supporting Lockdown.
sammer
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Wed 13 Jan 15:55
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Wed 13 Jan 15:59
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 13 Jan 16:16
Quote:
BigJPar, Wed 13 Jan 14:37
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 13 Jan 14:22
And another friend gets their urgent cancer treatment "paused" because of covid.
Nothing but covid covid covid.
This is potentially 3 kids left without a parent....but hey....covid right?
How many people with cancer do you know?
Only one now, the other two died with similar circumstances, have I breached a limit like?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: wetherby
Date: Wed 13 Jan 16:35
1500+ deaths announced to-day ( measure death occuring within 28 days of a positve Covid test) going to bust 100,000 before the end of January.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Wed 13 Jan 16:38
"But the majority of citizens still support Lockdown despite little progress after nine months."
Cases were extremely high in April 2020 and, after a few weeks of lockdown, Scotland went through a stage of no deaths for 20+ days in July/August. I am guessing that is why the citizens, in general, support the lockdown.
If the vaccine(s) had been developed in the summer, we would be largely out of this - assuming the vaccines are effective.
I think it`s difficult to construct an argument that the lockdown didn`t work in reducing deaths when there are numbers to prove the contrary.
For what it`s worth, I do not think anyone should be getting vital treatment stopped regardless of whether there is a lockdown or not.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: Parfect68
Date: Wed 13 Jan 17:51
Quote:
DA-go Par Adonis, Wed 13 Jan 16:38
"But the majority of citizens still support Lockdown despite little progress after nine months."
Cases were extremely high in April 2020 and, after a few weeks of lockdown, Scotland went through a stage of no deaths for 20+ days in July/August. I am guessing that is why the citizens, in general, support the lockdown.
If the vaccine(s) had been developed in the summer, we would be largely out of this - assuming the vaccines are effective.
I think it`s difficult to construct an argument that the lockdown didn`t work in reducing deaths when there are numbers to prove the contrary.
For what it`s worth, I do not think anyone should be getting vital treatment stopped regardless of whether there is a lockdown or not.
From my understanding, whilst the local nhs is indeed, unfortunately having to stop some elective surgeries and outpatient appointments due to current covid situation, to the best of my knowledge there is NO planned stopping of cancer treatment or appts for urgent cancer referrals
Post Edited (Wed 13 Jan 17:52)
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Wed 13 Jan 18:34
I should have added that I've not any first hand experience of anyone having treatment stopped.
Indeed, it's quite the contrary for the limited contacts I have unfortunate enough to be in that position.
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He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
Post Edited (Wed 13 Jan 18:36)
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Wed 13 Jan 19:13
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 13 Jan 16:16
Quote:
BigJPar, Wed 13 Jan 14:37
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 13 Jan 14:22
And another friend gets their urgent cancer treatment "paused" because of covid.
Nothing but covid covid covid.
This is potentially 3 kids left without a parent....but hey....covid right?
How many people with cancer do you know?
Only one now, the other two died with similar circumstances, have I breached a limit like?
What I'm interested in is where are these people who are having their cancer treatment paused. I.e. which part of the country.
Like Rasta I know several people currently undergoing cancer treatment in Aberdeen. None of them have had their treatment paused. One has also just started treatment.
Just interested why some people are having their treatment paused.
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Topic Originator: wetherby
Date: Wed 13 Jan 19:42
All elective surgery at Ayrshire and Arran NHS is postponed.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 13 Jan 20:15
Quote:
wetherby, Wed 13 Jan 16:35
1500+ deaths announced to-day ( measure death occuring within 28 days of a positve Covid test) going to bust 100,000 before the end of January.
I can offer context to one, his family were told because he was on an experimental treatment and could not be "observed" they couldn't continue the treatment...he died waiting for it to resume, I'll admit I can understand that to an extent...the family however are understandably upset.
One I have no real context other than his treatment was paused, he died in that period.
The other is in the London area and been told that the treatments will again have to be postponed, obviously worrying.
I hope that satisfies you, if you have a look there are people taking the NHS to court over this in various areas.
Given it's me I understand your scepticism, I'll say this though...after thaipars performance last night and various comments today....you could all use a little compassion about you.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Wed 13 Jan 20:29
I think most of us do. It's clear that different areas of the UK are interpreting the rules and implementing the guidelines differently to others.
There's also no doubt in my mind that massive mistakes have been made when a little common sense, and indeed compassion, would have seen a different outcome e.g. trained nurses getting stopped from taking deteriorating parents out of care homes when they wanted to look after them.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 13 Jan 21:43
Rasta the reactions on here might be different if you approached this forum with a bit more tolerance of other peoples' opinions rather than insisting we're all morons who blindly follow every instruction our government (not just the big bad Tories) give us.
Just a thought?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 13 Jan 21:53
Quote:
da_no_1, Wed 13 Jan 21:43
Rasta the reactions on here might be different if you approached this forum with a bit more tolerance of other peoples' opinions rather than insisting we're all morons who blindly follow every instruction our government (not just the big bad Tories) give us.
Just a thought?
As you can see from my post it's been an emotive time, I only come on here as myself reacting to what I react to at the time, nothing more, nothing less.
Perhaps you are right.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 13 Jan 21:56
As dark as it sounds, there's probably been a review of scenarios including deaths of, for example, people with cancer. No doubt questions around number of deaths due to lack of treatment Vs deaths due to covid. Essentially breaking humans downs to numbers of a spreadsheet.
It's been interesting hearing some in their 80s suggesting to immunise the workers first as they've lived their lives.
Hindsight is a great thing, but I hope people don't forget.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Wed 13 Jan 22:23
Breaking humans down into numbers in spreadsheets has been done for decades. What confuses me about this pandemic is that the rules on how we use these numbers seem to have changed.
If we `follow the science` to reduce road deaths, then driving would be banned. If that seems ridiculous, then we could do something simpler like banning men, or under 25s, from driving.
If we `followed the science` to reduce cancer deaths, then smoking would be banned, drinking would be banned, and people would be given free fruit, veg, and gym memberships by the government.
Science can provide us with estimates of probabilities. What we do with them is pure politics.
I`m not naive enough to say that lockdown has no effect on infection rates, but the clear panic from government is less about saving lives and more to avoid criticism for a massively underfunded health service.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Thu 14 Jan 08:41
Quote:
Rastapari, Wed 13 Jan 20:15
Quote:
wetherby, Wed 13 Jan 16:35
1500+ deaths announced to-day ( measure death occuring within 28 days of a positve Covid test) going to bust 100,000 before the end of January.
I can offer context to one, his family were told because he was on an experimental treatment and could not be "observed" they couldn't continue the treatment...he died waiting for it to resume, I'll admit I can understand that to an extent...the family however are understandably upset.
One I have no real context other than his treatment was paused, he died in that period.
The other is in the London area and been told that the treatments will again have to be postponed, obviously worrying.
I hope that satisfies you, if you have a look there are people taking the NHS to court over this in various areas.
Given it's me I understand your scepticism, I'll say this though...after thaipars performance last night and various comments today....you could all use a little compassion about you.
Thank you for that Rasta. The people I know she recently lucky then that everything in my area seems to not really have changed.
Considering the state we are told London was and is in that just shows the impact of covid.
My sympathies are with anyone who has lost friends or family through covid or as a direct result.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 15 Jan 13:22
As an aside are y'all following the sex guidelines, no kidding, wear a mask and try to use positions that face away from each other?
Science.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Fri 15 Jan 13:37
Sounds more like a fetish site you've stumbled across there.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 15 Jan 14:05
Quote:
DA-go Par Adonis, Fri 15 Jan 13:37
Sounds more like a fetish site you've stumbled across there.
Far from it government recommendations.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 15 Jan 16:42
Boris and Priti will be along soon dressed in appropriate sexual attire to give a demonstration :)
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Fri 15 Jan 17:26
Quote:
Rastapari, Fri 15 Jan 13:22
As an aside are y'all following the sex guidelines, no kidding, wear a mask and try to use positions that face away from each other?
Science.
You never look at the mantelpiece when your poking the fire. No change there then.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 15 Jan 17:59
Quote:
Buspasspar, Fri 15 Jan 16:42
Boris and Priti will be along soon dressed in appropriate sexual attire to give a demonstration :)
Shudder...
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 15 Jan 17:59
Quote:
moviescot, Fri 15 Jan 17:26
Quote:
Rastapari, Fri 15 Jan 13:22
As an aside are y'all following the sex guidelines, no kidding, wear a mask and try to use positions that face away from each other?
Science.
You never look at the mantelpiece when your poking the fire. No change there then.
😂😂
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 15 Jan 18:05
Topic Originator: Rastapari like | nolike
Date: Fri 15 Jan 17:59
Quote:
Buspasspar, Fri 15 Jan 16:42
Boris and Priti will be along soon dressed in appropriate sexual attire to give a demonstration :)
Shudder...
I`m sure he did rasta :)
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Fri 15 Jan 18:38
Quote:
Buspasspar, Fri 15 Jan 16:42
Boris and Priti will be along soon dressed in appropriate sexual attire to give a demonstration :)
Not even with yours... 🤮
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Fri 15 Jan 19:31
LuxPar has this one covered 😂
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 15 Jan 20:43
Quote:
Buspasspar, Fri 15 Jan 18:05
Topic Originator: Rastapari like | nolike
Date: Fri 15 Jan 17:59
Quote:
Buspasspar, Fri 15 Jan 16:42
Boris and Priti will be along soon dressed in appropriate sexual attire to give a demonstration :)
Shudder...
I`m sure he did rasta :)
Not gonna lie, I just laughed a fine red wine through my nose at that 😂
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 15 Jan 20:51
On a slightly more serious note, deaths within a 60 day period from a first covid diagnosis are going to be counted in the covid death numbers.
This is getting silly now.
How the **** do we get out of lockdown if we're using those numbers?
I'll take bets at this point.
That and serious talk of 6 pm curfews...
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Post Edited (Fri 15 Jan 20:52)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 15 Jan 21:20
Not sure that's right, Rasta.
PHE (note: not PHS) have been reporting the 60 day figure since the summer. The actual measure is within 28 days of a positive test but they also started including 60 days too.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 15 Jan 22:13
Yes but doesn`t the ONS only use deaths where covid is stated as a contributory cause by the coroner on the death certificate? The 28 days is for public health bodies to get a quicker look at potential figures.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: davepars
Date: Fri 15 Jan 23:49
Let`s flip this. If we were only reporting deaths of positive cases in the last day, instead of 28 days, the government would be accused of a cover up.
I`m no fan of the cretins running the country, but they are in a lose lose when it comes to reporting deaths.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 16 Jan 09:08
Quote:
davepars, Fri 15 Jan 23:49
Let`s flip this. If we were only reporting deaths of positive cases in the last day, instead of 28 days, the government would be accused of a cover up.
I`m no fan of the cretins running the country, but they are in a lose lose when it comes to reporting deaths.
Not the case, I would have expected them to play it down, why are we just getting the actual deaths from covid alone, no underlying issues and not about 80 without having to go freedom of information requests?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 16 Jan 09:19
Have you tried the Public Health Scotland and England data portal, Rasta? All this data is released. The Dunfermline Press pulls it's data from the daily cases by neighbourhood report (usually for some sensationalist click-bait to say there's a bad outbreak in ONE west Fife neighbourhood).
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 16 Jan 09:22
Because if you are some poor unfortunate who has been been made gravely ill through covid and it has left you so weak and frail that a case of pneumonia kills you while technically it`s the pneumonia that is the cause of death really it was down to covid. In the ONS figures that death will be registered as a covid death. If however you tested positive for covid three weeks ago but then unfortunately got run over by a bus the ONS will NOT register that as a covid death.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 16 Jan 09:41
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 16 Jan 09:22
Because if you are some poor unfortunate who has been been made gravely ill through covid and it has left you so weak and frail that a case of pneumonia kills you while technically it`s the pneumonia that is the cause of death really it was down to covid. In the ONS figures that death will be registered as a covid death. If however you tested positive for covid three weeks ago but then unfortunately got run over by a bus the ONS will NOT register that as a covid death.
And yet a local overdose was🤔
So there was a request done up in Tayside, from March to Decdmber MHS Tayside confirmed 6 deaths from covid alone, 6, there were more suicides.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sat 16 Jan 09:59
Aren`t the figures for `excess deaths` published to illustrate the number of additional deaths which have occurred in a period compared to a `normal` year? These figures will include those who have died directly from Covid but also those who have died from another condition which may have been exacerbated by the existence of Covid or by resources being diverted from its treatment because of pressures placed on the NHS by Covid.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 16 Jan 10:14
The local overdose wouldn`t have been included on the ONS figures unless covid was mentioned on the death certificate.
As for the Tayside figures, which I`ll take on your word as being correct, that would six deaths where only covid resulted in death. No other underlying health conditions contributed to the death.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sat 16 Jan 10:19
Quote:
Rastapari, Sat 16 Jan 09:08
Quote:
davepars, Fri 15 Jan 23:49
Let`s flip this. If we were only reporting deaths of positive cases in the last day, instead of 28 days, the government would be accused of a cover up.
I`m no fan of the cretins running the country, but they are in a lose lose when it comes to reporting deaths.
Not the case, I would have expected them to play it down, why are we just getting the actual deaths from covid alone, no underlying issues and not about 80 without having to go freedom of information requests?
Maybe the thought is that playing it down means people are less likely to do their bit by not mixing and enabling transmission than they do now?
When you think about it, Sunak's money off meals scheme in August, closely followed by the students returning to their digs were massive errors.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 16 Jan 10:24
Reports from Norway that 23 oldet people died within days of getting the vaccine, Pfizer "helping" with enquiries allegedly.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 16 Jan 10:28
Quote:
Rastapari, Sat 16 Jan 10:24
Reports from Norway that 23 oldet people died within days of getting the vaccine, Pfizer "helping" with enquiries allegedly.
Where was this "reported"?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 16 Jan 10:32
The Norwegian health authorities are reporting that there is no certain link between 23 elderly and frail patients dying after receiving the vaccine and aren`t concerned.
The full article from the British Medical Journal below for anyone interested.
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 16 Jan 10:38
Thanks TOWK
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 16 Jan 12:27
Rasta, you could get a job at the Daily Mail. Have a headline like: 23 dead after receiving vaccine and then have in small writing at the end of the article "...because of pre-existing health conditions". 🤦♂️
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Sat 16 Jan 12:47
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 16 Jan 10:32
The Norwegian health authorities are reporting that there is no certain link between 23 elderly and frail patients dying after receiving the vaccine and aren`t concerned.
The full article from the British Medical Journal below for anyone interested.
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149
That's good because Rasta trusts the BMJ so that's put to bed
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 16 Jan 20:43
Quote:
moviescot, Sat 16 Jan 12:47
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 16 Jan 10:32
The Norwegian health authorities are reporting that there is no certain link between 23 elderly and frail patients dying after receiving the vaccine and aren`t concerned.
The full article from the British Medical Journal below for anyone interested.
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149
That's good because Rasta trusts the BMJ so that's put to bed
How does that song by Bjork go again.......
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Sat 16 Jan 20:44)
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Sat 16 Jan 22:15
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 16 Jan 20:43
Quote:
moviescot, Sat 16 Jan 12:47
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 16 Jan 10:32
The Norwegian health authorities are reporting that there is no certain link between 23 elderly and frail patients dying after receiving the vaccine and aren`t concerned.
The full article from the British Medical Journal below for anyone interested.
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149
That's good because Rasta trusts the BMJ so that's put to bed
How does that song by Bjork go again.......
Is it the last track from Debut you're talking about?
It's the ⚓ song not the w⚓ song.
Post Edited (Sat 16 Jan 22:15)
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 16 Jan 22:34
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Sat 16 Jan 22:15
Quote:
da_no_1, Sat 16 Jan 20:43
Quote:
moviescot, Sat 16 Jan 12:47
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Sat 16 Jan 10:32
The Norwegian health authorities are reporting that there is no certain link between 23 elderly and frail patients dying after receiving the vaccine and aren`t concerned.
The full article from the British Medical Journal below for anyone interested.
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149
That's good because Rasta trusts the BMJ so that's put to bed
How does that song by Bjork go again.......
Is it the last track from Debut you're talking about?
It's the ⚓ song not the w⚓ song.
😁😁😁😁😁
I was more thinking about the one about someone being "oh so quiet"......
But if the cap fits an aw that
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sun 17 Jan 09:15
Quote:
jake89, Sat 16 Jan 12:27
Rasta, you could get a job at the Daily Mail. Have a headline like: 23 dead after receiving vaccine and then have in small writing at the end of the article "...because of pre-existing health conditions". 🤦♂️
I'm glad you posted that, a but like 99.8 percent of covid deaths, underlying conditions.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sun 17 Jan 09:19
It was the Norwegian Health Service that released the news..
Cases on Germany, Israel now being looked into.
You lot are just terrified of any contrary opinion of covid, a disease so virulent there's no need for mask disposal bins.
If course it will always, like covid, be "underlying conditions".
You see how this lot treat the weakest in society, you call conspiracy, I call the wildest one of all that these evil, thieving Tories are busting a gut to save your lives, a belief in that is truly special take a bow, you're in Wonderland.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Sun 17 Jan 09:24)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 17 Jan 09:53
Why would anyone think or suggest the Tories are "busting a gut" on this? We've got an excess of deaths not seen since war time.
Rasta, whether you mean it or not, you're spreading dangerous misinformation regarding the COVID vaccine.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Sun 17 Jan 09:55
There are other countries, not run by the Tories, who seem to be tackling the issue in a similar way.
Supporting a lockdown and wearing masks doesn't automatically equate to being fine with multi-million pound contracts being handed out to friends of the govt, ill-equipped to deliver, or with govt aides ignoring the rules for a jaunt up north.
Based on the experience of actual doctors and nurses, it seems to be a disease that affects a lot of people. The fact they have underlying health conditions, in most cases, doesn't detract from the fact that they wouldn't be on ventilators, taking up a hospital bed, if it weren't for having Covid.
This obviously has a knock on effect for everyone as there's not much room in hospitals for many more people and the NHS staff are working round the clock to keep things going.
I don't like what we're having to do, but don't see much choice - short of opening things up and watching pictures of old people dying in corridors until they're all gone. Interestingly, that option would be quite 'Tory' as it would get rid of a bunch of people draining the state's resources. I've no doubt that Cummings has a spreadsheet somewhere, plotting the break-even point between cost of furlough and savings from paying out state pension and benefits.
As a total aside, we all had the chance to ensure there would never be a Tory majority in parliament (for as long as we're part of the UK) in a long-forgotten 2011 referendum. Only a third of those that voted took that opportunity.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sun 17 Jan 10:31
Mask disposal bins... There's a business idea! Get the government to make it law that they are classed as hazardous waste. Every home and business needs them as it's illegal to mix this with general refuse.
Bring in [enter name of appropriate Tory party major donor] "specialist" contractor and award them a highly lucrative deal.
Sounds like the way forward, no?
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Sun 17 Jan 11:05
Michelle Mone composing an email as we speak...
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 17 Jan 11:31
Quote:
Rastapari, Sun 17 Jan 09:19
It was the Norwegian Health Service that released the news..
Cases on Germany, Israel now being looked into.
You lot are just terrified of any contrary opinion of covid, a disease so virulent there's no need for mask disposal bins.
If course it will always, like covid, be "underlying conditions".
You see how this lot treat the weakest in society, you call conspiracy, I call the wildest one of all that these evil, thieving Tories are busting a gut to save your lives, a belief in that is truly special take a bow, you're in Wonderland.
"Looked into" by who? The same people who "reported" your last pile of p*sh?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 17 Jan 11:38
Quote:
DA-go Par Adonis, Sun 17 Jan 11:05
Michelle Mone composing an email as we speak...
"Hiya Boris
A pure loved yer wee update last week and that. Mind a telt ye a stole that underwear firm aff ma husband and then ran it intae the groond and you said ah wud make a pure great lord? Goat an even better wan fur ye. How about you gie me a wee bit eh the action on yon covid. Ah could have they boys in the Philippines knockin' oot lacey facemasks by end eh the week. Aye, they'll offer f**k all protection but ah'll dae ye a wee deal. What dae ye hink?
Cheers pal
Big Meesh xoxo
p.s. let me know if ah need tae threaten tae pull oot all ma dealin's in Scotland again cause these nationalists are gettin pure rowdy and that. Jist like ma da, it'll just be a promise easily broken and a won't actually follow through. "
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sun 17 Jan 13:46
Jake / Da-go.
This is starting sound like a Rab C Nesbit influenced Yes Minister.
I like it. 😀
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Sun 17 Jan 15:55
We buy a bunch of wheely bins and some bleach spray, both as cheaply as possible, obviously. Cut out a little letter box for 'safe' disposal.
Stick a Union Flag on each one of them, write on a snappy phrase, "Cov-id, Bin-it, Beat-it", is my working idea, but I'm happy to change it for something better.
Then we join the local Conservative party (Rasta can give us the link to the application form), cosy up to the top brass at a virtual conference, pitch our idea and tell them we're ready to go.
Next thing, we're millionaires several times over and the Pars have bought the next two players off the Rovers' conveyor belt with our loose change.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 17 Jan 16:08
Good idea, but not quite.
What we do first is get local authority waste collection contracts and then just reuse existing bins but mark them as COVID safe.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sun 17 Jan 17:25
I think you're being a little "conservative" Da Go. This an emergency situation so waiting 9 months till the conference is far too long. I'd be expecting to have paid for my first Barbados villa by then.
There are compelling grounds for an advance payment of at least £10m of working capital to buy overpriced equipment and sign up other like minded directors' companies to service level agreements to do the actual work involved. That way, if the pesky vaccine does work, we can pocket the cash from selling the assets, quickly fold the company and scarper.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Sun 17 Jan 18:05
If I'm being 100% honest, I didn't check when the next party conference was due.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Sun 17 Jan 18:17
Some positive information for a change, just hope the actuaries modelling plays out along these lines
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/17/first-fruits-of-vaccine-rollout-should-be-seen-in-weeks-experts-predict?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 19 Jan 11:37
Quote:
jake89, Sun 17 Jan 09:53
Why would anyone think or suggest the Tories are "busting a gut" on this? We've got an excess of deaths not seen since war time.
Rasta, whether you mean it or not, you're spreading dangerous misinformation regarding the COVID vaccine.
Where?
Are there not countries raising concern about the vaccines amongst the elderly?
You saying, hey, people die, is far worse.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Tue 19 Jan 12:21
It seems that there should definitely be some consideration as to whether the very ill/frail should take the vaccine - rather than the 'elderly'.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Tue 19 Jan 20:36
Think back folks.If we did not have vaccinations against, whooping cough,TB,small pox ,half of us would not be here.Just a wee thought, for anti vaccine people. There is always a risk with any medication, never mind a vaccine. I will be in the line for a jab,and take the risk.My,mother had whooping cough, would have given anything for relief.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Tue 19 Jan 20:42
Aye. You only need to take a look at the wee leaflet that comes in a box of paracetamol to see that all drugs carry some risk to some people.
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Tue 19 Jan 21:38
As I've said to a few anti vacers if you don't want to take it it's well within your right. But you can't moan when your not allowed in shops cinemas airports etc without proof of vaccination because like it or not that's going to happen
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 19 Jan 22:37
They will complain tho
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 19 Jan 22:45
It would be interesting to understand the reasons any anti-vacc people are offering in terms of how they're being pushed into being vaccinated. My understanding is that it's optional and no employer can force or hold it against you if you're not vaccinated - unless it's a role where you would require it.
For required vaccinations, this is nothing new. Doctors and nurses have to provide evidence of vaccinations in order to practice.
Some people have mentioned travel. Various countries already require you to be vaccinated against the likes of yellow fever before entering.
So it's understandable people may wish to hang fire and see if anyone drops dead or grows and extra limb, but there is no evidence of this to date other than sensationalist news pieces in the gutter press.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Tue 19 Jan 23:03
For anyone not taking the Covid situation seriously or not believing things are as bad as they are reported. I hope they were watching the BBC news at 10 tonight. The professionalism, exhaustion and sheer fear on the faces of the medics trying to keep their patients alive was striking.
Heroes; every one of them.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 20 Jan 18:36
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Mon 11 Jan 06:55
Well first day I've felt anywhere near normal, up at 6.30 porridge made along with a nice cup of coffee, Spotify mix on and loving it!
Probably be back in my bed by 10.00am, but here's hoping 🤞😷
Well the forecast was true, it was all downhill from here, my wife admitted through NHS 24 on Saturday, followed by me on Sunday. Felt like I had been hit by a bus, no appetite, no energy. Admission system at Vic was great, plenty beds, space on the wards and top attention from medical staff. Just got home as my oxygen levels are ok, unfortunately my wife hasn't reached the same levels, maybe tomorrow! I've 3 days anti biotics to take and things should be ok🙏🤞
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Wed 20 Jan 18:43
Best wishes to you and the missus, LA.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 20 Jan 18:54
I was getting worried that we hadn`t heard from you for some time, LA, but hopefully you and your wife are over the worst. Some of the TV pictures we`re now getting from inside hospitals are pretty tough viewing but maybe they`ll give the Covid-deniers pause for thought.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Wed 20 Jan 19:41
All the best to you both LA.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 20 Jan 19:45
Hope all goes well LA been thinking about you all keep going and hope your wife recovers soon ... keep us updated ... best wishes
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 20 Jan 19:50
Cheers fellow dot netters, new I could count on you!👍
Blaming the Morton game for the relapse was an option!😷😷😷
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Wed 20 Jan 20:32
Hope your wife home soon and fine.My wife was in for a few days,not covid just a chest infection causing blood problems but home now.Not good waiting at home alone worrying.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 22 Jan 12:46
400?!
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Fri 22 Jan 13:21
Quote:
jake89, Fri 22 Jan 12:46
400?!
Yes. Jewish community. Which is ironic considering they have been one of the worst effected communities in London. Authors of their own doom.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 22 Jan 17:29
Quote:
cammypar 1995, Tue 19 Jan 21:38
As I've said to a few anti vacers if you don't want to take it it's well within your right. But you can't moan when your not allowed in shops cinemas airports etc without proof of vaccination because like it or not that's going to happen
The archetypal Tory, wishing someone lose all enjoyment in life unless they take an experimental technology in them for something that is of no threat to them.
Some humanity on display there.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 22 Jan 17:45
And now talk of lockdown until after Easter because numbers of care home deaths are up despite the vaccine...
Again not sorry in saying I want more for people's futures than this.
We're being locked down because our government would rather give their mates billions than spend what is required to shield the most vulnerable.
Suicides will happen, small businesses decimated, you can forget going back to the football this and probably next year (I'll take a bet on that one), restrictions on seeing family or friends, live music, pubs(not to worry, Wotherspoons, good Tory donor are going to hoover up small pubs) ....christ I could go on.
The future is looking very bleak for our children and the virus is not the threat.
Call me what you like but if you think this virus isn't being exploited to our detriment, I'l say it, you're beyond repair.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 22 Jan 17:59
Right Hand Left Hand
Boris the Brave :-
He says it "now appears there is some evidence that the new variant... may be associated with a higher degree of mortality".
Sir Patrick Vallance :-
And on mortality - he says that, in hospitals, the outcomes look the same between the original variant and the new variant.
He says other data from those who test positive with the new variant suggests greater mortality but stresses that these data are currently uncertain.
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 22 Jan 18:04
Can we not have a rule that people who have no background in research or science should not be allowed to pass comment in the media? Johnson is utterly hopeless.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 22 Jan 20:47
Oh Jings :-
Police broke up a wedding party in north London, where they now say about 150 people had gathered.
Officers found the windows at the Yesodey Hatorah Senior Girls` School, in Stamford Hill, had been covered when they arrived at 21:15 GMT on Thursday.
Guests fled from the strictly Orthodox Charedi Jewish school when the police arrived. The organisers face a £10,000 fine for breaking lockdown rules.
The Met originally claimed that about 400 guests were at the gathering.
In a statement, the school said its hall had been leased out.
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 22 Jan 20:48
Quote:
jake89, Fri 22 Jan 18:04
Can we not have a rule that people who have no background in research or science should not be allowed to pass comment in the media? Johnson is utterly hopeless.
Oh come on, Jake. He looks like he could cut it as a lollipop man in his high viz jacket.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 22 Jan 20:54
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Mon 11 Jan 06:55
Well first day I've felt anywhere near normal, up at 6.30 porridge made along with a nice cup of coffee, Spotify mix on and loving it!
Probably be back in my bed by 10.00am, but here's hoping 🤞😷
Dunno how I missed this, auld yin. Belated best wishes to you and yours.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 23 Jan 10:02
Another 350 million to a tory donor's outsourcing firm for vaccination assistance, but of course nothing to see here whilst they won't even pony up to feed kids.
If you're a Tory, you really are low grade scum.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 23 Jan 11:39
Quote:
GG Riva, Fri 22 Jan 20:54
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Mon 11 Jan 06:55
Well first day I've felt anywhere near normal, up at 6.30 porridge made along with a nice cup of coffee, Spotify mix on and loving it!
Probably be back in my bed by 10.00am, but here's hoping 🤞😷
Dunno how I missed this, auld yin. Belated best wishes to you and yours.
Come on GG keep up, it's developed since then, my wife still in, getting oxygen, though improving.
More importantly I,'m in charge of the remote, a rare thing!🤔😎
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 26 Jan 22:22
I wonder why the UK Government doesn't provide the daily number of new positive Covid cases as a %age of those tested. This is how it's reported in several other countries and provides a more accurate map of how quickly the virus is spreading.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Tue 26 Jan 22:41
Hope your wife is home soon LA.
Early night as got to get my wife up for a scan tomorrow at ,luckily,QM.Just pray they don`t find any problems.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 27 Jan 07:25
Best wishes to Mrs Donj and Mrs Lo'gelly Albert. 🙂
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 27 Jan 08:25
Thoughts and best wishes with all you guys
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Wed 27 Jan 08:37
Hi Dotnetters
Wee bit of advice please.
My father-in-law is due to get his vaccine on the 12th of February at EEP
He is elderly, frail and infirm and I need to plan his trip carefully.
Can anyone advise me where at EEP the vaccines are administered and if there are any hazardous steps en-route?
Stay safe everyone.
COYP
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 27 Jan 08:43
Quote:
DunfyDave, Wed 27 Jan 08:37
Hi Dotnetters
Wee bit of advice please.
My father-in-law is due to get his vaccine on the 12th of February at EEP
He is elderly, frail and infirm and I need to plan his trip carefully.
Can anyone advise me where at EEP the vaccines are administered and if there are any hazardous steps en-route?
Stay safe everyone.
COYP
Common sense would suggest the East Stand, Dave. It has ample parking in front, no steps and is not normally in use, I don't think. I would imagine it will be clearly sign posted. If nobody confirms it, I'll try and find out for you.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: auldpar
Date: Wed 27 Jan 09:20
Pretty sure I read it was in the Norrie concourse.
Post Edited (Wed 27 Jan 09:21)
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Wed 27 Jan 09:26
Magic - Thanks for the advice chaps.
Stay safe!
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 27 Jan 09:38
Quote:
auldpar, Wed 27 Jan 09:20
Pretty sure I read it was in the Norrie concourse.
You may well have, auldpar. I was merely guessing. The Norrie has less parking and is normally in use, but I don't think the players attend EEP other than on match days anyway.
The East Stand made more sense to me, but what do I know? ☺
Not your average Sunday League player.
Post Edited (Wed 27 Jan 09:39)
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 27 Jan 10:33
Thanks again for the messages of support, my wife came home on Tuesday, was never so glad to see her.
Now just building ourselves up, plenty visits from my kids and more importantly grandkids!
Doctor said she was very lucky, another 24 hours she would have been in ICU!
It's 50yrs this week since I met her at the Ballroom, changed my life around, I didn't think I was seeing this day last week!💘💘💘
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Topic Originator: PARSpars
Date: Wed 27 Jan 10:51
Quote:
auldpar, Wed 27 Jan 09:20
Pretty sure I read it was in the Norrie concourse.
yeh thats what I read in the papers too,
my dad who be 70 in 3rd week in February got his appointment for the 12th February down at the church at dulloch.
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Topic Originator: PARSpars
Date: Wed 27 Jan 10:56
Quote:
GG Riva, Wed 27 Jan 09:38
Quote:
auldpar, Wed 27 Jan 09:20
Pretty sure I read it was in the Norrie concourse.
You may well have, auldpar. I was merely guessing. The Norrie has less parking and is normally in use, but I don't think the players attend EEP other than on match days anyway.
The East Stand made more sense to me, but what do I know? ☺
Always cars parked in front of the east stand thru the week, guessing from the Ford garage next door, also the away teams use the concourse in east stand to change for games so would mean that at couldn't vaccinate on match days.
While the Norrie is only used underneath by the players, parking wise use normal match day car park behind North stand.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 27 Jan 10:59
Sad to hear of the passing of Jon Harrison from Rosyth, a guy involved in the football community at all levels and heavily involved in the Fleet Grounds development. I came across Jon when he was involved with Harley Villa, and he spoke passionately about football, he was later working at SKY and of course running their football team! RIP Jon!
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sun 31 Jan 20:51
9 million have now received their first dose. That will start showing in the data in a couple of weeks. The end is in sight.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 2 Feb 08:52
Scientists accusing the government of "making up" new strains.....
Science.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 2 Feb 09:42
"Scientists accusing the government of "making up" new strains.....
Science."
Which scientists? Links please or it didn`t happen
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 2 Feb 09:48
Yeah I`ve had a quick search and can`t find any articles about it. Maybe others will have more luck.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 2 Feb 10:24
The Metro suggesting no normal life until 2024, can't say I didn't tell you.
Not many small businesses will survive that, not many football teams, not many venues, not many arts, not many cinema, not many pubs, not many youth projects....I could go on.
You better get used to a very empty existence.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Tue 2 Feb 10:41
You`re quoting the Daily Mail owned Metro newspaper to validate your viewpoint?
Which Tory sympathisers and ok to side with and which are not?
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 2 Feb 10:47
Also from the Metro -
"News... but not as you know it"
Fascinating stuff mate...………..
"No you won`t waddle like penguins from anal Covid swabs, China says"
"Brain implants the size of a salt grain could let people choose their mood"
"Beekeeper told his 15,000,000 bees could be seized and burned because of Brexit"
"Meghan`s staff `removed name from Archie`s birth certificate`, it is claimed"
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Topic Originator: dave67
Date: Tue 2 Feb 12:29
Talking with a nurse yesterday. And possibly covid vaccine will be like the flu vaccine ie every year
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Tue 2 Feb 12:46
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 2 Feb 10:24
The Metro suggesting no normal life until 2024, can't say I didn't tell you.
Not many small businesses will survive that, not many football teams, not many venues, not many arts, not many cinema, not many pubs, not many youth projects....I could go on.
You better get used to a very empty existence.
You're the bloke that tells us not to believe anything in the mainstream media. Yet you are now quoting from a Daily Mail publication.
Your reputation is being shot to ribbons with that beauty.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 2 Feb 13:50
Yep, Metro is just the Daily Mail-lite. Free propoganda paper.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 2 Feb 16:21
That`s a shame but he`s left behind a memorable legacy.
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Topic Originator: dave67
Date: Tue 2 Feb 17:38
RIP Captain Tom
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 2 Feb 19:40
That's a damn shame but what a year to have as your 100th on the planet.
RIP Captain Sir Tom
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 3 Feb 09:19
That is really good news towk maybe we will get back to normal sooner than later I get mine 13th of this month lets hope its the Oxford vaccine :)
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 5 Feb 09:11
Quote:
jake89, Tue 2 Feb 13:50
Yep, Metro is just the Daily Mail-lite. Free propoganda paper.
Which is pretty much the sole diet reading of .net, do tell me if you lot are getting adventurous.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 5 Feb 09:12
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 2 Feb 19:40
That's a damn shame but what a year to have as your 100th on the planet.
RIP Captain Sir Tom
Reported on Sky News as having had the vaccine, now being changed to he never had the vaccine...
Science.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Fri 5 Feb 10:12
Quote:
Rastapari, Fri 5 Feb 09:11
Quote:
jake89, Tue 2 Feb 13:50
Yep, Metro is just the Daily Mail-lite. Free propoganda paper.
Which is pretty much the sole diet reading of .net, do tell me if you lot are getting adventurous.
Poor comeback. You used that paper for your ends. I cannot remember anyone else ever quoting from the Metro on here.
Just as an aside I've never read any newspaper since I was at school and that's a long time ago.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Fri 5 Feb 12:01
Quote:
Rastapari, Fri 05 Feb 09:12
Quote:
da_no_1, Tue 2 Feb 19:40
That's a damn shame but what a year to have as your 100th on the planet.
RIP Captain Sir Tom
Reported on Sky News as having had the vaccine, now being changed to he never had the vaccine...
Science.
So what?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 5 Feb 12:09
Either he did or he didn't. Remember though - the vaccine helps your body fight it. It does not stop you catching it. Not sure how many times that needs repeated.
If he had had it and it was less than three weeks, he would likely still be highly susceptible.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 5 Feb 12:24
It also isn`t a vaccine against contracting pneumonia which was the reason the man was hospitalised in the first place.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 5 Feb 12:34
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Fri 5 Feb 12:24
It also isn`t a vaccine against contracting pneumonia which was the reason the man was hospitalised in the first place.
A point Rasta has made before. People are dying WITH COVID rather than OF COVID but it's being recorded as being OF COVID.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 5 Feb 12:40
Recorded by whom as OF COVID?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Fri 5 Feb 12:49
Sir Tom was apparently also fighting skin and prostate cancer and his family took him off to Barbados at Christmas as it was on his bucket list.
As said, he was in hospital for pneumonia.
Now, whether it was wise taking on a long-haul flight, and whether that contributed to his demise, I don`t know.
However, it seems as though the family realised that he did not have long left and decided to give him one last big treat.
I doubt very much whether a 100% efficient Covid vaccination would have helped him any. But, as said, Covid will be on the death certificate and there is no doubt that it will appear on the death certificate of others who would likely have passed away whether they tested positive for it or not.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 5 Feb 13:22
The ONS will only record covid as a cause of death if the coroner notes it as being a factor on the death certificate.
If you test positive but then get run over by a bus it will NOT be recorded as a covid death.
I`m going to make a totally and uneducated assumption here and guess that very few people will actually die of covid. Much in the same way that many people who tested positive with HIV didn`t die from aids but complications arising from aids. Freddie Mercury died because of pneumonia but there is doubt that that particular ailment took him because of the damage that aids had done to his health.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Fri 5 Feb 13:46
`The Office of National Statistics just released its latest estimates on infection rates in the UK.
According to the ONS, one in 65 people in England had Covid-19 in the week up to 30 January, compared to one in 55 people who had the virus in England in the previous week.
In the last week of January, one in 70 people in Wales were infected, one in 65 in Northern Ireland and one in 115 in Scotland.`
These statistics which show Scotland in a favourable light never seem to get as much publicity as the statistics on the rate of vaccinations which were all over the media at the start of the roll-out.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 5 Feb 14:41
Imagine using the poor old guys` death as a way of scoring points. Sad really.
Post Edited (Fri 05 Feb 14:41)
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 5 Feb 16:22
Had positive covid test 06/01, in hospital 10/01 to 14/01, not allowed covid vaccine until 16/02 as they say it might cause damage due to antibodies in my system.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Fri 5 Feb 19:02
Glad to hear it sounds like you are past the worst of it though.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Fri 5 Feb 21:21
Some good news at last - although you get the impression that those who spread fear and misinformation will be gutted
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/magic-has-started-early-data-show-israels-vaccination-campaign/
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 8 Feb 11:29
Sounds like Switzerland are banning the Astrazenica vaccine for ALL citizens.
Nothing to see though as Britain plods along.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 8 Feb 11:43
The EU have approved it for use in all 27 member states though. Having said that it isn`t going to be used on over 65s as they don`t think it is effective enough.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Mon 8 Feb 11:53
I don't think it's been banned but they aren't going to approve it until they've seen the results of a larger trial in the Americas as they don't feel there was enough data on efficacy of the vaccine for those aged 65 and over. The latest trial has a bigger sample size apparently and should have better data as a result.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Mon 8 Feb 12:31
Quote:
Rastapari, Mon 8 Feb 11:29
Sounds like Switzerland are banning the Astrazenica vaccine for ALL citizens.
Nothing to see though as Britain plods along.
So when the results from the other two trials are in at the end of this month and Switzerland approve it you will be fully behind the vaccine then?
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Topic Originator: EastEndBoy
Date: Mon 8 Feb 14:13
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Mon 8 Feb 12:31
Quote:
Rastapari, Mon 8 Feb 11:29
Sounds like Switzerland are banning the Astrazenica vaccine for ALL citizens.
Nothing to see though as Britain plods along.
So when the results from the other two trials are in at the end of this month and Switzerland approve it you will be fully behind the vaccine then?
I'm gona say no.
...ken?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 8 Feb 14:53
I'll consider it when Pfizer et al's trial period finishes, I believe it's 2023?
So we're very much experimenting right now so no thanks.
Some of you need due to medical reasons, I don't, I'm young enough and healthy enough to avoid the albeit small risk of serious side effects, no reason to.
And no I won't take it to satisfy anyone else either, hey maybe if it stopped the spread....or stopped you catching it, or meant a relaxing in the rules but we've been primed for it changing nothing.
I told you this year would be written off and you laughed....already touted.
And you think things are going to open in April?
That'll be gone before we even hit March and so on and so forth.
I'm also reading the government have stopped the office of national statistics from reporting deaths AFTER vaccination and numbers on adverse reactions, might not be true but if it is, you're really only getting one side of the picture.
I personally will not be playing that roulette.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Mon 08 Feb 15:09)
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Topic Originator: EastEndBoy
Date: Mon 8 Feb 15:33
Quote:
Rastapari, Mon 8 Feb 14:53
I'll consider it when Pfizer et al's trial period finishes, I believe it's 2023?
So we're very much experimenting right now so no thanks.
Some of you need due to medical reasons, I don't, I'm young enough and healthy enough to avoid the albeit small risk of serious side effects, no reason to.
And no I won't take it to satisfy anyone else either, hey maybe if it stopped the spread....or stopped you catching it, or meant a relaxing in the rules but we've been primed for it changing nothing.
I told you this year would be written off and you laughed....already touted.
And you think things are going to open in April?
That'll be gone before we even hit March and so on and so forth.
I'm also reading the government have stopped the office of national statistics from reporting deaths AFTER vaccination and numbers on adverse reactions, might not be true but if it is, you're really only getting one side of the picture.
I personally will not be playing that roulette.
Telling everyone you're not taking it because reasons achieves nothing other than potentially putting others off taking it. Please don't.
...ken?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 8 Feb 16:06
Quote:
EastEndBoy, Mon 8 Feb 15:33
Quote:
Rastapari, Mon 8 Feb 14:53
I'll consider it when Pfizer et al's trial period finishes, I believe it's 2023?
So we're very much experimenting right now so no thanks.
Some of you need due to medical reasons, I don't, I'm young enough and healthy enough to avoid the albeit small risk of serious side effects, no reason to.
And no I won't take it to satisfy anyone else either, hey maybe if it stopped the spread....or stopped you catching it, or meant a relaxing in the rules but we've been primed for it changing nothing.
I told you this year would be written off and you laughed....already touted.
And you think things are going to open in April?
That'll be gone before we even hit March and so on and so forth.
I'm also reading the government have stopped the office of national statistics from reporting deaths AFTER vaccination and numbers on adverse reactions, might not be true but if it is, you're really only getting one side of the picture.
I personally will not be playing that roulette.
Telling everyone you're not taking it because reasons achieves nothing other than potentially putting others off taking it. Please don't.
That is their choice, no?
Are we to tell them there's no side effects anywhere ever?
Should we not talk about people with good health and how the jag is literally useless to them?
Pretty sinister stuff, you know you don't get a badge for cheerleading...right?
And anyways why be worried if everything's above board, just get on with it and ignore me, yeah?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Mon 8 Feb 16:12
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 8 Feb 16:16
Quote:
BigJPar, Mon 8 Feb 16:12
Quote:
Rastapari, Mon 8 Feb 14:53
I'll consider it when Pfizer et al's trial period finishes, I believe it's 2023?
So we're very much experimenting right now so no thanks.
Some of you need due to medical reasons, I don't, I'm young enough and healthy enough to avoid the albeit small risk of serious side effects, no reason to.
And no I won't take it to satisfy anyone else either, hey maybe if it stopped the spread....or stopped you catching it, or meant a relaxing in the rules but we've been primed for it changing nothing.
I told you this year would be written off and you laughed....already touted.
And you think things are going to open in April?
That'll be gone before we even hit March and so on and so forth.
I'm also reading the government have stopped the office of national statistics from reporting deaths AFTER vaccination and numbers on adverse reactions, might not be true but if it is, you're really only getting one side of the picture.
I personally will not be playing that roulette.
Again you spout your pompous, I know better than you nonsense.
Do you really think you are a covid expert?
Everything I said has been touted by mainstream media and the news, you don't have to be an expert, just try listening?
Go on, point out where I've said something not already in the public domain?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Mon 8 Feb 16:30
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 8 Feb 16:34
"I`m also reading the government have stopped the office of national statistics from reporting deaths AFTER vaccination and numbers on adverse reactions, might not be true but if it is"
Don`t you want to find out if it`s true before you post it?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Mon 8 Feb 16:45
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Mon 8 Feb 16:34
"I`m also reading the government have stopped the office of national statistics from reporting deaths AFTER vaccination and numbers on adverse reactions, might not be true but if it is"
Don`t you want to find out if it`s true before you post it?
I think we all know the answer to that question.
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Topic Originator: EastEndBoy
Date: Mon 8 Feb 16:46
Quote:
Rastapari, Mon 8 Feb 16:06
Quote:
EastEndBoy, Mon 8 Feb 15:33
Quote:
Rastapari, Mon 8 Feb 14:53
I'll consider it when Pfizer et al's trial period finishes, I believe it's 2023?
So we're very much experimenting right now so no thanks.
Some of you need due to medical reasons, I don't, I'm young enough and healthy enough to avoid the albeit small risk of serious side effects, no reason to.
And no I won't take it to satisfy anyone else either, hey maybe if it stopped the spread....or stopped you catching it, or meant a relaxing in the rules but we've been primed for it changing nothing.
I told you this year would be written off and you laughed....already touted.
And you think things are going to open in April?
That'll be gone before we even hit March and so on and so forth.
I'm also reading the government have stopped the office of national statistics from reporting deaths AFTER vaccination and numbers on adverse reactions, might not be true but if it is, you're really only getting one side of the picture.
I personally will not be playing that roulette.
Telling everyone you're not taking it because reasons achieves nothing other than potentially putting others off taking it. Please don't.
That is their choice, no?
Are we to tell them there's no side effects anywhere ever?
Should we not talk about people with good health and how the jag is literally useless to them?
Pretty sinister stuff, you know you don't get a badge for cheerleading...right?
And anyways why be worried if everything's above board, just get on with it and ignore me, yeah?
I have no problem with ignoring you (and indeed people like you). My concern is that others don't ignore it. That's a problem.
As for the side effects, have you ever read the leaflet in a box of paracetamol? Enough to put you off your dinner.
...ken?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 8 Feb 16:58
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Mon 8 Feb 16:34
"I`m also reading the government have stopped the office of national statistics from reporting deaths AFTER vaccination and numbers on adverse reactions, might not be true but if it is"
Don`t you want to find out if it`s true before you post it?
These things take time from the story breaking.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 8 Feb 17:01
Quote:
EastEndBoy, Mon 8 Feb 16:46
Quote:
Rastapari, Mon 8 Feb 16:06
Quote:
EastEndBoy, Mon 8 Feb 15:33
Quote:
Rastapari, Mon 8 Feb 14:53
I'll consider it when Pfizer et al's trial period finishes, I believe it's 2023?
So we're very much experimenting right now so no thanks.
Some of you need due to medical reasons, I don't, I'm young enough and healthy enough to avoid the albeit small risk of serious side effects, no reason to.
And no I won't take it to satisfy anyone else either, hey maybe if it stopped the spread....or stopped you catching it, or meant a relaxing in the rules but we've been primed for it changing nothing.
I told you this year would be written off and you laughed....already touted.
And you think things are going to open in April?
That'll be gone before we even hit March and so on and so forth.
I'm also reading the government have stopped the office of national statistics from reporting deaths AFTER vaccination and numbers on adverse reactions, might not be true but if it is, you're really only getting one side of the picture.
I personally will not be playing that roulette.
Telling everyone you're not taking it because reasons achieves nothing other than potentially putting others off taking it. Please don't.
That is their choice, no?
Are we to tell them there's no side effects anywhere ever?
Should we not talk about people with good health and how the jag is literally useless to them?
Pretty sinister stuff, you know you don't get a badge for cheerleading...right?
And anyways why be worried if everything's above board, just get on with it and ignore me, yeah?
I have no problem with ignoring you (and indeed people like you). My concern is that others don't ignore it. That's a problem.
As for the side effects, have you ever read the leaflet in a box of paracetamol? Enough to put you off your dinner.
Why I don't take them.....doh!
None of you have even tried to give reasons to risk good health for a vaccine still in trial until 2023.
You're all very dictatorial about it too, so I'm no expert, bingo.....so you ARE an expert and can vouch for 100% safety?
Didn't think so, you are in no better place than I to be encouraging folks.
McDonalds getting to open but gyms not....science😂
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Mon 8 Feb 17:10
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 8 Feb 17:21
Quote:
BigJPar, Mon 8 Feb 17:10
Quote:
Rastapari, Mon 8 Feb 17:01
Quote:
EastEndBoy, Mon 8 Feb 16:46
Quote:
Rastapari, Mon 8 Feb 16:06
Quote:
EastEndBoy, Mon 8 Feb 15:33
Quote:
Rastapari, Mon 8 Feb 14:53
I'll consider it when Pfizer et al's trial period finishes, I believe it's 2023?
So we're very much experimenting right now so no thanks.
Some of you need due to medical reasons, I don't, I'm young enough and healthy enough to avoid the albeit small risk of serious side effects, no reason to.
And no I won't take it to satisfy anyone else either, hey maybe if it stopped the spread....or stopped you catching it, or meant a relaxing in the rules but we've been primed for it changing nothing.
I told you this year would be written off and you laughed....already touted.
And you think things are going to open in April?
That'll be gone before we even hit March and so on and so forth.
I'm also reading the government have stopped the office of national statistics from reporting deaths AFTER vaccination and numbers on adverse reactions, might not be true but if it is, you're really only getting one side of the picture.
I personally will not be playing that roulette.
Telling everyone you're not taking it because reasons achieves nothing other than potentially putting others off taking it. Please don't.
That is their choice, no?
Are we to tell them there's no side effects anywhere ever?
Should we not talk about people with good health and how the jag is literally useless to them?
Pretty sinister stuff, you know you don't get a badge for cheerleading...right?
And anyways why be worried if everything's above board, just get on with it and ignore me, yeah?
I have no problem with ignoring you (and indeed people like you). My concern is that others don't ignore it. That's a problem.
As for the side effects, have you ever read the leaflet in a box of paracetamol? Enough to put you off your dinner.
Why I don't take them.....doh!
None of you have even tried to give reasons to risk good health for a vaccine still in trial until 2023.
You're all very dictatorial about it too, so I'm no expert, bingo.....so you ARE an expert and can vouch for 100% safety?
Didn't think so, you are in no better place than I to be encouraging folks.
McDonalds getting to open but gyms not....science😂
Listen, I'll put this bluntly.
We're all trying to do our best, follow the rules and putting trust in the scientists and medical professionals to get us through this terrible pandemic.
You, my friend are an annoyance in the way you call everyone else out.
According to you we are all thick and ignorant
Listen I'll put this bluntly, I follow the rules even though I think they are made up bollox...
I trust science so don't make out I don't, I don't trust science being manipulated
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 8 Feb 17:25
Big Jpar...my post was cut short.
I'll put this bluntly the science is bring Exploited, see recent British Medical Journal editorial.
I do follow the rules, not much choice...but hey you're an expert, tell me the necessity of McDonald's over gyms?
Billions of pounds to Tory donor start up firms, pur theft, if follow the science coming from Boris et al stick on your third mask and lap it up, you ARE thick for buying that.
I'll be blunt, you're no expert, should you really be giving out medical advice?
Let's follow science then...a simple one....vaccines are allowed with strict storage and distribution rules....oops here comes a shortage....now we can mix and match vaccines and timescales don't matter...science.
I'm sorry but science used to make sense.
Get fat at McDonald's.....sure....work it iff at a gym...no chance...just a bit stupid....thick....uf you like.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Mon 08 Feb 17:29)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 8 Feb 17:27
Just getting this right, Rasta. You agree with the science that your a low risk but not the science that suggests you should be immunised or the science that suggests the risk of an adverse reaction is incredibly small?
How do you know the science that suggests you're low risk is correct?
Completely support anyone who doesn't wish to be vaccinated, but that approach is not one endorsed by science. Whilst we can argue about long term side effects of vaccination, we can also argue about long term effects of NOT being vaccinated. No side can guarantee being correct, which is why I suggest it's up to the individual to choose, but make an informed choice.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 8 Feb 17:32
Quote:
jake89, Mon 8 Feb 17:27
Just getting this right, Rasta. You agree with the science that your a low risk but not the science that suggests you should be immunised or the science that suggests the risk of an adverse reaction is incredibly small?
How do you know the science that suggests you're low risk is correct?
Completely support anyone who doesn't wish to be vaccinated, but that approach is not one endorsed by science. Whilst we can argue about long term side effects of vaccination, we can also argue about long term effects of NOT being vaccinated. No side can guarantee being correct, which is why I suggest it's up to the individual to choose, but make an informed choice.
Science didn't recommend mixing and matching vaccines and yet here we are.
Science doesn't advocate pausing certain treatments...and yet here we are.
How do I know the science saying I'm not at risk....easy....experience....and as I've stated, for me to be at no risk from covid to take a vaccine I am potentially at risk from.....doesn't make sense.
It's you lot that assume to question is to be "anti" as well, I'm not against vaccination, I'm against rushed vaccination with no idea of the long term effects, I'll just hang back and see for a bit, as is my right.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Mon 08 Feb 17:34)
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Topic Originator: EastEndBoy
Date: Mon 8 Feb 18:10
I'm really excited about the prospect of drive through gyms.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Mon 8 Feb 18:26
This seems important - is McDonalds fully open again?
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Mon 8 Feb 18:37
Isn't it the case that once vaccinated you reduce the risk of passing it on? In other words, whilst it won't stop you catching it, it will both reduce the extent of your illness, and your chance of passing it on. So it certainly seems a "civic duty" to get vaccinated. That said, it does concern me (without knowing the scientific facts) that this is a young vaccine.. I thought trials for these things would normally take years to ensure safety? It feels like the world is taking a calculated risk with this.
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Topic Originator: EastEndBoy
Date: Mon 8 Feb 18:49
Quote:
Milos Drizzle, Mon 8 Feb 18:37
Isn't it the case that once vaccinated you reduce the risk of passing it on? In other words, whilst it won't stop you catching it, it will both reduce the extent of your illness, and your chance of passing it on. So it certainly seems a "civic duty" to get vaccinated. That said, it does concern me (without knowing the scientific facts) that this is a young vaccine.. I thought trials for these things would normally take years to ensure safety? It feels like the world is taking a calculated risk with this.
The speed of the roll out reflects the sheer amount of money and manhours that have been dedicated to the cause.
Drugs/vaccines tend to take years to develop and gain approval because they're not nearly as well funded.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 8 Feb 18:54
Everything in life is a calculated risk though isn`t it. If you get on a plane to go on holiday there is a chance the plane might crash. Highly unlikely so most people weigh up the risk and decide to take the flight.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Mon 8 Feb 19:07
It takes a while for a scientific consensus to emerge. At the moment we have differing opinions from the experts which is only to be expected. It took almost 30 years before cholera was fully understood and before that, the majority view was that the disease was airborne or caused by poor hygiene. In Dunfermline this resulted in doss houses being fumigated and tar being burned in the High Street to purify the air.
I’m confident scientific knowledge, and a consensus of how best to tackle Covid, will emerge faster in our times. As things stand, governments are throwing their weight behind some scientific opinions and discouraging others hence Rastapari’s suspicion that rather than politicians following the science, the scientists may be badgered into following the politicians.
The way the vaccination programme has been reported in tabloid newspapers is as a point scoring exercise over the EU. The UK has pulled out all the stops to use as much vaccine as is available across a wide group of the population. That’s a reasonable tactic, but other countries have focused more on making sure the most vulnerable receive their double dose first- which is equally reasonable. Last week the right wing papers were crowing that Oxford vaccine would conquer all under the wisdom of our great leader; today we are told it may not be as effective against some strains but is helpful none the less. That is a bit of a climb down in a matter of days.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 8 Feb 19:34
Where is the mixing scenario coming from? Scotland isn't mixing unless absolutely necessary.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 8 Feb 19:38
[Post Deleted] - Deliberately provoking fellow DAFC.net poster(s)
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Mon 8 Feb 20:20
Not sure why we ever needed gyms to be fair. Get a bike. Get a pair of trainers. Get outside.
Why would you leave your house to go to a gym? Gyms have never been the cleanest places even before the pandemic. Just a money pit.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 8 Feb 20:29
Did da_no_1 get a yellow for that?! Nothing offensive in what he said there. I demand VAR for this thread. 😂
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 8 Feb 20:30
I`ve never believed all I`ve read and have always taken it at face value then considered that even if half was true I would evaluate it
However the vaccine is now a concern for me It would appear from various online sources some more reliable or more biased depending on your particular outlook
that the vaccine perhaps is now not as effective, that we will need another souped up version in the Autumn to combat the ever increasing clever virus variants that are determined to invade us humans
Therefore a simple question :-
Is it worth me driving a 45 mile round trip on Saturday and my wife a 65 mile round trip on Monday to get the current vaccine on offer
Any advice greatly appreciated
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Mon 8 Feb 20:34
Rasta quote
"Everything I said has been touted by mainstream media and the news, you don't have to be an expert, just try listening?
Go on, point out where I've said something not already in the public domain?"
Sorry you'll have to help me out here. Aren't you the person who specifically tells us not to believe mainstream media. Yet here you are again quoting that very media.
Are you now a believer in mainstream media? Or only when it suits your agenda.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 8 Feb 20:34
I'd say yes BPP. First of all, I'm not sure they advise which vaccine you will receive and secondly the studies still display a good degree of protection against the newest variant.
One thing people may not appreciate is that their flu Jan changes each year depending on what the expected variants are going to be prevalent that year.
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Mon 8 Feb 20:55
Quote:
EastEndBoy, Mon 8 Feb 18:49
Quote:
Milos Drizzle, Mon 8 Feb 18:37
Isn't it the case that once vaccinated you reduce the risk of passing it on? In other words, whilst it won't stop you catching it, it will both reduce the extent of your illness, and your chance of passing it on. So it certainly seems a "civic duty" to get vaccinated. That said, it does concern me (without knowing the scientific facts) that this is a young vaccine.. I thought trials for these things would normally take years to ensure safety? It feels like the world is taking a calculated risk with this.
The speed of the roll out reflects the sheer amount of money and manhours that have been dedicated to the cause.
Drugs/vaccines tend to take years to develop and gain approval because they're not nearly as well funded.
I get the fact that the enormous world-wide resources will reduce the time, but are a few very short-term trials enough to "guarantee" safety? By the way I will almost certainly get the vaccine when offered it, but there is that niggle in the back of mind about it. That probably reflects the fact I'm generally risk-averse.
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Mon 8 Feb 20:59
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Mon 8 Feb 18:54
Everything in life is a calculated risk though isn`t it. If you get on a plane to go on holiday there is a chance the plane might crash. Highly unlikely so most people weigh up the risk and decide to take the flight.
Absolutely, and is why I fully expect to take it when offered. I am putting my trust in the medical professionals. Actually, the motivation for me to take the vaccine is to help prevent me spreading it to nearest and dearest and the public in general, not for my own safety, as I've already had it - didn't get it too bad, but it's a snidey illness that hangs around for a long time.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 8 Feb 21:10
Thanks jake89
I was gung ho last week but have reservations now .. will sort my head out the Morn
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 8 Feb 22:11
Seemingly 2 hour queues today at some centres, believed to be a c*ck up with the timings!
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Topic Originator: EastEndBoy
Date: Mon 8 Feb 22:12
Quote:
Milos Drizzle, Mon 8 Feb 20:55
Quote:
EastEndBoy, Mon 8 Feb 18:49
Quote:
Milos Drizzle, Mon 8 Feb 18:37
Isn't it the case that once vaccinated you reduce the risk of passing it on? In other words, whilst it won't stop you catching it, it will both reduce the extent of your illness, and your chance of passing it on. So it certainly seems a "civic duty" to get vaccinated. That said, it does concern me (without knowing the scientific facts) that this is a young vaccine.. I thought trials for these things would normally take years to ensure safety? It feels like the world is taking a calculated risk with this.
The speed of the roll out reflects the sheer amount of money and manhours that have been dedicated to the cause.
Drugs/vaccines tend to take years to develop and gain approval because they're not nearly as well funded.
I get the fact that the enormous world-wide resources will reduce the time, but are a few very short-term trials enough to "guarantee" safety? By the way I will almost certainly get the vaccine when offered it, but there is that niggle in the back of mind about it. That probably reflects the fact I'm generally risk-averse.
You can't even guarantee that paracetamol is safe for everyone. There's always going to be the few and far between cases where some unlucky soul will take a reaction. It's the case with every drug/jab/vaccine/medicine ever created.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 8 Feb 22:25
Quote:
jake89, Mon 8 Feb 20:29
Did da_no_1 get a yellow for that?! Nothing offensive in what he said there. I demand VAR for this thread. 😂
I knew it would get deleted and get me a yellow. It seems that anyone can post unsubstantiated garbage repeatedly day after day and nothing is done. Yet I get a yellow for telling him to give it a rest. His ramblings are really starting to p1ss me off. My dad is due for his jag tomorrow. He's in his 70s and has been in his house for a whole fkn year. Our family have followed guideline after guideline...obeyed lockdown after lockdown. He's vulnerable. My girlfriend is vulnerable. Her mum is vulnerable. We are all sick to the back teeth of this virus and if this jab offers a way out we're all taking it no matter what Rasta or any if his half wit conspiracy theorists tell us.
I know he'll read this and call me a Tory or a sheep or put "science" or some other smart @rse comment at the end of his post. Then he'll quote The Metro or The Star or the Pig Farmers Gazette with some quote that suits whatever agenda he's dreamt up the night before....then he'll tell us not to read the mainstream media.........
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 8 Feb 22:27
Good luck to your dad tomorrow, da.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 8 Feb 22:36
Quote:
jake89, Mon 8 Feb 22:27
Good luck to your dad tomorrow, da.
He's going to need given today's reports. Thanks anyway Jake
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Mon 8 Feb 22:51
When it comes to vaccines, I think it is best to trust the vaccine experts.
The benefits of vaccination massively outweigh any risks for the over 60s or people with underlying health problems.
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Mon 8 Feb 22:59
Quote:
EastEndBoy, Mon 8 Feb 22:12
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Milos Drizzle, Mon 8 Feb 20:55
Quote:
EastEndBoy, Mon 8 Feb 18:49
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Milos Drizzle, Mon 8 Feb 18:37
Isn't it the case that once vaccinated you reduce the risk of passing it on? In other words, whilst it won't stop you catching it, it will both reduce the extent of your illness, and your chance of passing it on. So it certainly seems a "civic duty" to get vaccinated. That said, it does concern me (without knowing the scientific facts) that this is a young vaccine.. I thought trials for these things would normally take years to ensure safety? It feels like the world is taking a calculated risk with this.
The speed of the roll out reflects the sheer amount of money and manhours that have been dedicated to the cause.
Drugs/vaccines tend to take years to develop and gain approval because they're not nearly as well funded.
I get the fact that the enormous world-wide resources will reduce the time, but are a few very short-term trials enough to "guarantee" safety? By the way I will almost certainly get the vaccine when offered it, but there is that niggle in the back of mind about it. That probably reflects the fact I'm generally risk-averse.
You can't even guarantee that paracetamol is safe for everyone. There's always going to be the few and far between cases where some unlucky soul will take a reaction. It's the case with every drug/jab/vaccine/medicine ever created.
Well, aye, but the risks of paracetamol are well known due to passage of time. The vaccines have not yet had that luxury...
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 9 Feb 13:56
Quote:
Milos Drizzle, Mon 8 Feb 22:59
Quote:
EastEndBoy, Mon 8 Feb 22:12
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Milos Drizzle, Mon 8 Feb 20:55
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EastEndBoy, Mon 8 Feb 18:49
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Milos Drizzle, Mon 8 Feb 18:37
Isn't it the case that once vaccinated you reduce the risk of passing it on? In other words, whilst it won't stop you catching it, it will both reduce the extent of your illness, and your chance of passing it on. So it certainly seems a "civic duty" to get vaccinated. That said, it does concern me (without knowing the scientific facts) that this is a young vaccine.. I thought trials for these things would normally take years to ensure safety? It feels like the world is taking a calculated risk with this.
The speed of the roll out reflects the sheer amount of money and manhours that have been dedicated to the cause.
Drugs/vaccines tend to take years to develop and gain approval because they're not nearly as well funded.
I get the fact that the enormous world-wide resources will reduce the time, but are a few very short-term trials enough to "guarantee" safety? By the way I will almost certainly get the vaccine when offered it, but there is that niggle in the back of mind about it. That probably reflects the fact I'm generally risk-averse.
You can't even guarantee that paracetamol is safe for everyone. There's always going to be the few and far between cases where some unlucky soul will take a reaction. It's the case with every drug/jab/vaccine/medicine ever created.
Well, aye, but the risks of paracetamol are well known due to passage of time. The vaccines have not yet had that luxury...
Watch, you'll get called a tin foil hat, this lit are scared of asking questions and pretty aggressive to any difference if opinion.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 9 Feb 13:58
Quote:
moviescot, Mon 8 Feb 20:34
Rasta quote
"Everything I said has been touted by mainstream media and the news, you don't have to be an expert, just try listening?
Go on, point out where I've said something not already in the public domain? "
Sorry you'll have to help me out here. Aren't you the person who specifically tells us not to believe mainstream media. Yet here you are again quoting that very media.
Are you now a believer in mainstream media? Or only when it suits your agenda.
No I quote mainstream media because it is literally all on here will listen to, I've covered this before, with you.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 9 Feb 14:01
Have you lot not got anything to say without flinging abuse?
It's a bit pathetic and gives away your insecurities, why so aggressive to a different point of view?
I'm simply pointing out "follow the scoence" means following a science that changes from week to week and politician to politician, what do you all wet your breeks for?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: goldensixties
Date: Tue 9 Feb 14:05
I received the vaccine at EEP yesterday. Cold waiting area and very busy. But staff were welcoming, helpful and despite a slight delay the procedure was completely painless. Well done to all concerned. Good to get inside the ground for possibly the only time this season!
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 9 Feb 14:43
And now we're charging holiday makers 1750 for the quarantine hotels....which will be exacted on us as well.
Travel for ordinary folks is over.
10 k fine for offenders and possible ten year jail sentence, that's up there with manslaughter.....
But yeah, necessary....science.
****ing joke and we're sleepwalking into it.
Available in your beloved mainstream media.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 9 Feb 15:41
Rasta, can I ask you a genuine question please?
How would you have stopped the spread of the virus?
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Topic Originator: EastEndBoy
Date: Tue 9 Feb 16:17
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 9 Feb 14:43
And now we're charging holiday makers 1750 for the quarantine hotels....which will be exacted on us as well.
Travel for ordinary folks is over.
10 k fine for offenders and possible ten year jail sentence, that's up there with manslaughter.....
But yeah, necessary....science.
****ing joke and we're sleepwalking into it.
Available in your beloved mainstream media.
Ach well. Looks like we'll never ever be able to leave the country ever again. Less air travel will be great for the climate, though. Every cloud.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 9 Feb 16:49
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wee eck, Tue 9 Feb 15:41
Rasta, can I ask you a genuine question please?
How would you have stopped the spread of the virus?
It's not incumbent on me to, are you seriously telling me that breaking a travel rule is worth more in the poke than rape?
Are you seriously saying that a literal ban on but all buy the wealthy is acceptable ?
The Tories are lovking us in, I said it would happen and was laughed at, this I'd no more about the virus than flying in the air(sic).
Do the wealthy not transmit covid?
You lot obviously don't travel much.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 9 Feb 16:50
Quote:
EastEndBoy, Tue 9 Feb 16:17
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 9 Feb 14:43
And now we're charging holiday makers 1750 for the quarantine hotels....which will be exacted on us as well.
Travel for ordinary folks is over.
10 k fine for offenders and possible ten year jail sentence, that's up there with manslaughter.....
But yeah, necessary....science.
****ing joke and we're sleepwalking into it.
Available in your beloved mainstream media.
Ach well. Looks like we'll never ever be able to leave the country ever again. Less air travel will be great for the climate, though. Every cloud.
Only it won't, you see the big polluters changing their way because of covid?
Dream on.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 9 Feb 17:08
Was that a serious attempt to answer my question? I remember after one of your rants against politicians as a breed I asked you what the alternative was to having politicians and you said that was nothing to do with you. It seems that you just like to moan about `the establishment` without having any credible alternative to it.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 9 Feb 17:14
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wee eck, Tue 9 Feb 17:08
Was that a serious attempt to answer my question? I remember after one of your rants against politicians as a breed I asked you what the alternative was to having politicians and you said that was nothing to do with you. It seems that you just like to moan about `the establishment` without having any credible alternative to it.
I said it's not up to me which is isn't, you care to answer one of my questions, is it only ok for the wealthy to travel?
Is it ok to impose jail sentences way beyond rape?
And what of the Pars? Do they have a long term plan for football without fans because outside "elite" clubs we're not getting back.
You honestly think this current government cares about you? Please, illustrate their caring for you.
They are not trying to stop the virus, the are monetizing it, if you cannot see that, honestly, I pity you.
I certainly would have tried protecting the most vulnerable instead of stealing peoples lives, treatments, education, rights etc.
I would have fed kids instead of billions to fake or new ppe companies led by Tory donors or any other party.
How about opening gyms instead of McDonald's.
And while we're at it, bets the first politicians caught pay no fine....anyone?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Tue 9 Feb 18:40
I think Rastapari’s anarchist instincts are a very healthy starting point for any citizen under any government anywhere in the world. The announcements he outlined today are draconian and had they been proposed under a Corbyn government would have the Daily Express calling for a popular uprising, a march on Westminster to restore our historic freedoms. There have been regular utterances from SAGE and fellow experts that the Lockdown should NOT end even when the vaccination programme is well underway. Rastapari is correct to draw attention to a government which claimed that a short Lockdown would defeat the ‘enemy,’ then a longer shutdown, then a track and trace system, then a vaccination programme which, to no great surprise surely, is not capable of achieving total and absolute victory. There can be no total victory over Covid anymore than total victory over seasonal ‘flu but no government in the world will ever pass up the ‘temporary’ powers offered it by the populace. The UK public like most others have transferred power from themselves to the government in the hope of winning an unwinnable war: there can be no return to normality under this arrangement.
My response to Eck’s pertinent question would be not to become embroiled in a war you cannot possibly win. Covid 19 is already being superseded by Covid 21 and presumably many more variants in the years to come and shaping up, as I wrote many months ago, like The War on Drugs (started around 1970) and The War on Terror (circa 2001). Covid presents a serious health threat which has to be tackled and we all have opinions about how that can best be done. But exaggerating that threat, spreading fear through the populace and putting the country on a war footing with contradictory daily bulletins cannot be the way to do it.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Tue 9 Feb 18:43
I don`t see how you can protect the vulnerable without affecting everybody. I`m no Tory but they`re not the only government imposing lockdowns. Maybe you haven`t noticed but Health is devolved in the UK and we have four separate administrations following their own paths but all favour lockdowns, not to mention the vast majority of governments throughout the world.
These points have been put to you numerous times on here but you just turn a deaf ear. We can all rail against certain aspects of the restrictions but somebody has to make the rules. If it`s not the government who is it?
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Tue 9 Feb 18:53
I've often heard the argument put forward about protecting the vulnerable, and letting the rest of society get on with it as per normal. Seems a fairly reasonable suggestion on the surface, but then I thought it through. Recall that this was put forward at the start of the pandemic when a vaccine was a distant dream. The strategy would have condemned perhaps 20 million people to house arrest, because the virus would be rife in society. The vulnerable would be afraid to leave the house, even the supermarket would be very risky, far more than a lockdown scenario where virus prevalence is minimal-ish and everyone is social distancing and masked up. And then you consider that these vulnerable people are in households.. So those household members would also need to be under house arrest (how many more people across the UK would that be?), otherwise they would inevitably bring the virus home from active society where covid is rife. So I fear that, arguably, the "protect the vulnerable" strategy could be worse on balance than lockdown for us all.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 9 Feb 19:31
The point us no real effort to protect the vulnerable has been made, none.
Except of course pretty much destroying everyone's rights, rights that will not be taken and are not being taken from the wealthy, I mean what's a fine for a millionaire?
And spare me the ten year jail sentence, a quick donation to the Tories and you won't see a day if you are rich enough.
They are even telling us straight up that the vaccine changes nothing...nothing.
Honestly bewildering.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Tue 9 Feb 19:41
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Rastapari, Tue 9 Feb 14:43
Available in your beloved mainstream media.
Looks to me like your the one in love with mainstream media. You're the only person that ever mentions it.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Tue 9 Feb 19:45
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Rastapari, Tue 9 Feb 13:58
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moviescot, Mon 8 Feb 20:34
Rasta quote
"Everything I said has been touted by mainstream media and the news, you don't have to be an expert, just try listening?
Go on, point out where I've said something not already in the public domain? "
Sorry you'll have to help me out here. Aren't you the person who specifically tells us not to believe mainstream media. Yet here you are again quoting that very media.
Are you now a believer in mainstream media? Or only when it suits your agenda.
No I quote mainstream media because it is literally all on here will listen to, I've covered this before, with you.
And I'll cover it again with you. Not everyone listens to mainstream media. You seem to though. Quoting The Metro. Good grief. Never lifted a copy of that rag or looked at its website but you clearly do.
Maybe if you gave us links to the media you pretend to covet.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 9 Feb 19:52
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moviescot, Tue 9 Feb 19:41
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 9 Feb 14:43
Available in your beloved mainstream media.
Looks to me like your the one in love with mainstream media. You're the only person that ever mentions it.
You know what happens if I go elsewhere, accusations of QAnon, tin foil hats etc, you know the drill.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Tue 9 Feb 21:05
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Rastapari, Tue 9 Feb 19:31
The point us no real effort to protect the vulnerable has been made, none.
Except of course pretty much destroying everyone's rights, rights that will not be taken and are not being taken from the wealthy, I mean what's a fine for a millionaire?
And spare me the ten year jail sentence, a quick donation to the Tories and you won't see a day if you are rich enough.
They are even telling us straight up that the vaccine changes nothing...nothing.
Honestly bewildering.
Thing is, I think it's either lockdown everyone "relatively mildly", or all vulnerable people plus their entire households are locked in. And for reasons in my earlier post I come down on the side of the former.
Re: the point that the vaccine changes nothing... That's true in the short to medium term, but things will start to look very different once all vulnerable people and more are vaccinated. Added to the fact that, by then at least ten million folks will already have had Covid (though surely that's an underestimate). Hopefully by the summer the discourse will be very much on what and when we open up. I'm expecting our office to be reopened by the Autumn. The vaccine really is our only way back to normality.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Tue 9 Feb 21:20
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Rastapari, Tue 9 Feb 19:52
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moviescot, Tue 9 Feb 19:41
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Rastapari, Tue 9 Feb 14:43
Available in your beloved mainstream media.
Looks to me like your the one in love with mainstream media. You're the only person that ever mentions it.
You know what happens if I go elsewhere, accusations of QAnon, tin foil hats etc, you know the drill.
No actually I don't know the drill. If you go elsewhere you never provide links or details of where you have been.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 9 Feb 21:26
Thing is Milos it's already being touted that the vaccination will not change anything in the short or long term, we're being primed for permanent tiers.....my fear is obvious and I would bet a bolt on, wealthier tiers will enjoy more freedoms, justified by blaming the poor and using numbers on a screen 90% of the population won't even try and digest.
And this is a Pars forum but no one will touch my question...
How long do the Pars have with no fans in the ground?
Any lower division sport really?
There isn't any this year, we'll get a wee bit of a dangling carrot then "sorry chaps, covid season".
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Tue 9 Feb 21:44
Rasta, I've not been privvy to the line of thinking that vaccines change nothing in the long term. I'd like to understand the reasoning behind that - maybe to do with potential lack of effectiveness, or continual waves of new strains that will take time to create vaccines for (just like what happens with flu just now). If that is the line of thought, then I suppose it comes down to what happens on the ground - how many people are catching it, how many hospitalised, how many ICU, how many deaths. The brutal reality is that as a society we may have to accept a higher number of deaths than we have been prepared to since this pandemic broke. Yet if that number is too high - if we all know someone that's been in ICU or died, then a portion of society shrinks away, not going out, not keeping the economy stoked, not going to the football. And the football along with a huge chunk of the economy (not to mention all the softer issues like mental wellbeing) are heading for serious trouble unless we can get out this lockdown.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 9 Feb 22:13
Milos I hear you.
My fear is that regardless of what covid does, we'll get fed manipulated numbers and this is it.
How many times do you see freedoms like this taken...then given back?
What worries me are all the right folks making all the right money....there's barely a soul in our government about saving lives.
What one of these crass political thieves is going to clamour to everything they can to secure our freedoms and welfare as we had or even close?
What in their actions so far would indicate there is any will there?
Sorry for being bleak but look around, bleak times, bleaker to come, Brexit gonna bite soon too...covid to blame for that too no doubt.
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Tue 9 Feb 23:18
Rasta, I think we're coming from fundamentally different places on the bigger picture. Whilst I absolutely agree there are snouts in the trough all over the place, and the thought of that angers and sickens me, I don't think there is a greater conspiracy about a power grab. That said, I will of course be watching the narrative over the coming months and seeing how it plays out. If we are still in a lockdown of sorts a year from now, and I felt the reasons were nonsensical, then I'd be on your page. But let's see what happens. As long as the numbers of covid deaths are "acceptable" (horrid phrase), I personally believe that all freedoms will be restored. Where things will get difficult in society is if we have a fundamental split in the judgement of what number of deaths is acceptable, in which case the question of whether to have a lockdown, and it's extent and nature, is going to become an even hotter topic than it is currently.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Wed 10 Feb 00:15
The phrase ‘acceptable number of deaths’ is one that will have to be faced. If you asked the average UK citizen about how many people died in 2020 they would understandably assume it was the worst outside wartime. Every newspaper headline, every editorial, has emphasised the carnage that has swept across the country. This is so misleading as to be incorrect.
The deaths per 1,000 UK citizens was 10.16 last year, a big increase on the preceding years and would doubtless have been higher without attempts to restrict infection by tactics such as Lockdown. However that ratio was considered ‘acceptable’ for nearly all of my life in the UK. In fact until I was 50 years old the death rate per 1,000 citizens was always higher, the peak year being 11.9 deaths per 1,000 in 1978.
So why the panic? Well without Lockdown the numbers might be much higher I will be told, perhaps coming close to the rate recorded during what is called Spanish ‘flu. Maybe that is so, although society did not shut itself down in 1919 to the extent of today. I rather think the explanation may lie in the phrase ‘Stay Home and Save the NHS.’ This is such an obvious piece of Orwellian language it should have been denounced at the outset. It is not a citizen’s job to save the NHS, but the job of the NHS to save the citizen who funds it.
I don’t think it’s the death toll that worries the government so much as their incapacity to deal with those who catch Covid. The provision is not there when numbers increase quickly and this may even apply to those unfortunate enough to die from it too. It’s not the death rate that matters so much as the presentational horror of citizens dying on trolleys in hospital corridors or bodies having to be stored in cold store warehouses. ‘Winter of Discontent’ headlines are their real fear.
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Wed 10 Feb 03:24
Sammer, I'd not be so quick to assume that the average UK citizen thinks like that. I'd be more inclined to think that folks on average believe we've "kept things in check". Other than that, I think you're spot on. In fact, I've often thought about the hospital capacity like road capacity, except instead of queuing cars we have queues of people on trolleys in hospital, in many cases dying a most undignified death. And you wouldn't want to be that person who takes a covid downturn just after the last ventilator has been taken. The Government have been fighting first and foremost to avoid those pictures on the evening news, not fixated on keeping absolute numbers down. And a continuing source of bewilderment for me is the lack of a more accurate figure than the bizarre "deaths within 28 days of a positive result" shown on every night on the news. Surely we can do better than that? Even if a sample of deaths can be investigated in detail by doctors so that we can estimate with more accuracy. It's as if that number may turn out to be... "disappointing", and it would risk losing the public backing of lockdown. And with NHS capacity being as it is, the rush hour is never far away.
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Wed 10 Feb 04:29
I hadn’t thought about the possibility for ‘sampling’ in order to establish cause of death. Since it is clearly impossible to carry out a post mortem for every single death I agree it’s strange such a policy has not at least been considered.
Trying to ascertain death numbers in the UK is no easy task. From the outset I realised that excess deaths is the only reliable figure to work from since it is undeniable; other figures are no doubt of great help to medical statisticians but even for them skewed by subjective opinion about cause of death.
I don’t think the panic reaction to Covid, which is pretty much worldwide, is some clever ploy to seize control of the plebs. It’s more an awareness by rulers that by following neo-conservative policies- and these are largely worldwide- you run the risk of public services like health being overwhelmed in an emergency which this clearly is. If or when that happens the game is up, so Orwellian slogan- Save the NHS- has taken front stage even although it is really a contradiction in terms.
In logical terms this NHS slogan is as reasonable as my car insurance company telling me during icy weather to ‘Save Aviva, Stay in the Garage.’ The whole point is I paid premiums based on your actuarial experts, so if my car is in an accident on an icy road I expect you to fulfil the contract. This breach of contract by governments cannot be admitted hence the emphasis on vaccines which are, to continue my metaphor, obviously useful but no better than a set of snow tyres.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 10 Feb 10:05
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Sammer, I'd not be so quick to assume that the average UK citizen thinks like that. I'd be more inclined to think that folks on average believe we've "kept things in check". Other than that, I think you're spot on. In fact, I've often thought about the hospital capacity like road capacity, except instead of queuing cars we have queues of people on trolleys in hospital, in many cases dying a most undignified death. And you wouldn't want to be that person who takes a covid downturn just after the last ventilator has been taken. The Government have been fighting first and foremost to avoid those pictures on the evening news, not fixated on keeping absolute numbers down. And a continuing source of bewilderment for me is the lack of a more accurate figure than the bizarre "deaths within 28 days of a positive result" shown on every night on the news. Surely we can do better than that? Even if a sample of deaths can be investigated in detail by doctors so that we can estimate with more accuracy. It's as if that number may turn out to be... "disappointing", and it would risk losing the public backing of lockdown. And with NHS capacity being as it is, the rush hour is never far away.
So you at least agree the death within 28 days thing us utter nonsense?
It's been extended to 60 days, so with that mind, how are we ever getting out of lockdown?
We'll still be here next year, only worse with less rights, I'll take bets.
And today people told not to book summer holidays here or abroad....they don't much trust this vaccine do they...locked dow all year...and most of you lot will lap it up and justify it....that's the frightening part.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 10 Feb 10:15
No one going to attempt my question re The Pars?
How long without fans or games has lower division sport got, we're not getting back this year and vaccine or not I don't see it being allowed next.
So how long have we got before only the big "brands" exist?
You're all very quick to call names and attempt to ridicule but not game enough to contemplate the elephant in the room, come on, must be somebody?
There has been a total attack on leisure activities and people's independence but we seem to have our head in the sand regarding the Pars survival chances..
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Wed 10 Feb 12:02
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Rastapari, Wed 10 Feb 10:15
No one going to attempt my question re The Pars?
How long without fans or games has lower division sport got, we're not getting back this year and vaccine or not I don't see it being allowed next.
So how long have we got before only the big "brands" exist?
You're all very quick to call names and attempt to ridicule but not game enough to contemplate the elephant in the room, come on, must be somebody?
There has been a total attack on leisure activities and people's independence but we seem to have our head in the sand regarding the Pars survival chances..
How long have the lower leagues got? Below the championship I would imagine without fans etc they will need the 21/22 season to be back to normal.
As for championship a bit longer. Might manage through to 22/23 season. Most clubs at this level have subscription TV to watch so can weather it better.
Above championship most will survive.
What this may do is reduce some of the ridiculous wages and transfer fees that are going about. It already had an effect on the last transfer window.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 10 Feb 12:25
To degree I agree Moviescot, I reckon we have this season and next.....if nothing changes, and I'll take bets it won't, it's goodbye for most clubs outside the Premier League.
But hey you'll have English football and McDonald's so all good.
We're not going to have much left at all and people will still be barking fof harsher lockdown rules, they've got us begging for it, not going to lie, makes me sick to my stomach.
Tories too, just adds to the disgrace.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Wed 10 Feb 12:52
Rasta - despite all the noise coming from the government I think the 2021/22 season will be back to normal, or something very close to that. That might be too late for some clubs, but hopefully most can get back on track quickly. I know you are far less optimistic than me about this, but I think the summer will be turning point.
All of the nonsense from the government, including the crazy fines for people who import the virus from abroad, will disappear pretty quickly once the numbers start to look better. Then they will try to position themselves as our saviours by letting us do things.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Wed 10 Feb 13:29
I don`t understand why the governments of the likes of New Zealand and most of Australia aren`t overplaying this situation so that they can crash the economy or why the public that live there aren`t begging for harsher restrictions.
Or why we had fewer restrictions in the summer/autumn when the numbers decreased.
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Topic Originator: EastEndBoy
Date: Wed 10 Feb 13:32
For what it's worth I agree completely with the assessment of the government and the way they've tried and succeeded in monetising the pandemic.
The whole PPE contracts for mates is mucky at best. We can only hope it all comes out and those involved are hit hard. It's sadly unlikely to happen though.
As for freedoms and liberties taken away and never returned? Nah.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 10 Feb 13:33
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DA-go Par Adonis, Wed 10 Feb 13:29
I don`t understand why the governments of the likes of New Zealand and most of Australia aren`t overplaying this situation so that they can crash the economy or why the public that live there aren`t begging for harsher restrictions.
Or why we had fewer restrictions in the summer/autumn when the numbers decreased.
You watch much Australian news?
Their attitude to the corruption going on here explains it adequately, they even went as far as to calling "the great reset" for what it is, Sky news Australia did not hold back.
We're already being primed or this it, all we get.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Wed 10 Feb 13:45
I have family in Australia, but don`t watch much Sky News Australia.
I think most of us agree that the Tories have seemingly thrown contracts around to their mates rather than those most disserving. You can`t have voted Tory any fewer times in your life than I have. I just think it`s a separate issue.
A member of my extended family runs the main Covid ward in one of the UK`s major hospital - if you want first hand experience. We went in to lockdown as the virus kills lots of people from certain demographics. If we didn`t do something drastic, they were going to be dying in hospital corridors - if they even got there.
The reason we reduced the restrictions in the summer and autumn, and even let some people back in to football stadiums, was because the numbers got much lower.
The reason we are where we are is because the numbers rose, the virus mutated and, if we didn`t do something, the poor folks trying to treat patients at the coalface - rather than pontificating behind a keyboard - would be completely broken.
I sincerely hope the vaccine does what it`s meant to i.e. enables people`s body to fight the virus so they don`t get seriously ill. If that happens, and hospital numbers drop, I think it is fanciful to suggest that the public will just accept mass restrictions remaining.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 10 Feb 14:25
DA I share your hopes, I really do but I think the monetizing and politicising of covid will be too powerful a draw for the snouts.
Will people accept it long term? Mate it's already been a year and barely a whimper, this year already being touted as written off, people will accept the little they get and be happy with it, that's what scares me...
I'll say this, when folks are wearing 3 masks, a visor and they're bent over having a Chinese made swab stuck up their erchie, don't be looking at me calling me mental 😂
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Wed 10 Feb 14:56
I`ve not called you mental. I think there`s a semblance of an idea which I can relate to with some of your posts and I think it`s dangerous just to swallow whatever version of the truth that is spoon fed.
I think your presentation style is more likely to entrench the views of others who initially disagree rather than persuade, but that`s not really a big issue unless you`re trying to get elected for something, and I am guessing you`re not.
My overall take on the saga is somewhat different, that`s all. I think it`s virtually impossible to shield those that need it most and open up the country for the rest of us. The theory makes 100% sense, I just can`t envisage a way of life where it could become a reality.
I also think that with the majority of nations, from all different political landscapes, going down the lockdown route, it`s fair to say that it`s probably the best option out of this. Some countries have implemented that very successfully and we`ve seen things open up there already. Some have not been so successful so far, but I think the vaccine will move things along.
All in all then, I think we will be back at EEP at some point next season. I suspect it won`t be just like it always was come August, but I think we will get there eventually.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 10 Feb 15:03
When you're lying in a bed, on oxygen in a Covid ward, with your wife next door, who you're not allowed to see, you start to realise that you may never see any of your family again.
It's terrifying!!!😥😥😥
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 10 Feb 15:03
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I`ve not called you mental. I think there`s a semblance of an idea which I can relate to with some of your posts and I think it`s dangerous just to swallow whatever version of the truth that is spoon fed.
I think your presentation style is more likely to entrench the views of others who initially disagree rather than persuade, but that`s not really a big issue unless you`re trying to get elected for something, and I am guessing you`re not.
My overall take on the saga is somewhat different, that`s all. I think it`s virtually impossible to shield those that need it most and open up the country for the rest of us. The theory makes 100% sense, I just can`t envisage a way of life where it could become a reality.
I also think that with the majority of nations, from all different political landscapes, going down the lockdown route, it`s fair to say that it`s probably the best option out of this. Some countries have implemented that very successfully and we`ve seen things open up there already. Some have not been so successful so far, but I think the vaccine will move things along.
All in all then, I think we will be back at EEP at some point next season. I suspect it won`t be just like it always was come August, but I think we will get there eventually.
Thong this there is a will to in those countries that have been successful, I don't believe that exists here.
I mean we're the worst for deaths in Europe, easily....do you ever see even a shred of remorse or accountability?
Nah, too much money to be made, that's my fear.
There's not one blue tie'd thief gives a flying what not about any of the deaths, not one.
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Wed 10 Feb 15:24
The thing is, the UK isn`t the worst for deaths in Europe. They are near the top, but Belgium and Slovenia are ahead at the moment.
I can`t wait for this pandemic to be over so that the government can be exposed for the charlatans that they are, without them being able to use the virus as an excuse or a distraction from their failings.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 10 Feb 17:31
Everyone will have a view and there's little point arguing as no-one is going to have it spot on.
Completely understand that some may wish to hold off having the vaccine or may not wish to have it all. I'm also sure there will be potential for some perceived coercion to get the vaccine.
The main thing I see is particular media outlets and politicians being wholly inappropriate around COVID. Petty boasts around who has fewer dead bodies, who has vaccinated more people and who has the better vaccine. It's all typically ill-informed and very crass.
It probably doesn't help that COVID has hit during Brexit. Both sides of that aren't portraying themselves in a particularly good light.
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Wed 10 Feb 18:19
On the point that the "deaths within 60 days of a positive test" stats will keep us in lockdown for eternity, the vaccine should (well I bl00dy hope so anyway!) get that number right down, on the grounds that there will be drastically fewer cases to begin with (recall that a vaccinated person is less "spready", and of course less likely to die). And assuming there is some common sense, what's happening on the ground in hospitals needs also to be taken into account. Should the government lie about stats to keep us under control, we'll that's a very different ballgame that i honestly can't see happening.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 11 Feb 10:20
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On the point that the "deaths within 60 days of a positive test" stats will keep us in lockdown for eternity, the vaccine should (well I bl00dy hope so anyway!) get that number right down, on the grounds that there will be drastically fewer cases to begin with (recall that a vaccinated person is less "spready", and of course less likely to die). And assuming there is some common sense, what's happening on the ground in hospitals needs also to be taken into account. Should the government lie about stats to keep us under control, we'll that's a very different ballgame that i honestly can't see happening.
Milos they're already doing it, look at the billions been stolen for Tory donors.
How many deaths have been recorded as covid that were nothing to do with covid?
A friend of mine did a freedom of information request in Tayside, how many deaths attributed to covid alone....6.....yep....at the time....6, way less than the "official" figures being used to lock people down.
Boris et al don't care what people think of them, they're practically hoovering our money for pals.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 11 Feb 10:53
Had a wee look to try and find the FOI that was made to Tayside NHS.
I assume this is Rasta`s friend who has made the request to several heath boards in Scotland. As far as I can see they weren`t satisfied with the answer given by Tayside or other regions with the exception of Highlands and Islands health board which gave figures far in excess of six. Perhaps others will be able to find the Tayside figures that were revealed by the FOI.
Anyway here is a link where you can`t drill into all the different types of FOIs.
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/user/miss_g_2
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 11 Feb 11:20
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Had a wee look to try and find the FOI that was made to Tayside NHS.
I assume this is Rasta`s friend who has made the request to several heath boards in Scotland. As far as I can see they weren`t satisfied with the answer given by Tayside or other regions with the exception of Highlands and Islands health board which gave figures far in excess of six. Perhaps others will be able to find the Tayside figures that were revealed by the FOI.
Anyway here is a link where you can`t drill into all the different types of FOIs.
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/user/miss_g_2
I've only just seen it, I'll see if I can get it sent to me.
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Thu 11 Feb 18:10
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On the point that the "deaths within 60 days of a positive test" stats will keep us in lockdown for eternity, the vaccine should (well I bl00dy hope so anyway!) get that number right down, on the grounds that there will be drastically fewer cases to begin with (recall that a vaccinated person is less "spready", and of course less likely to die). And assuming there is some common sense, what's happening on the ground in hospitals needs also to be taken into account. Should the government lie about stats to keep us under control, we'll that's a very different ballgame that i honestly can't see happening.
Milos they're already doing it, look at the billions been stolen for Tory donors.
How many deaths have been recorded as covid that were nothing to do with covid?
A friend of mine did a freedom of information request in Tayside, how many deaths attributed to covid alone....6.....yep....at the time....6, way less than the "official" figures being used to lock people down.
Boris et al don't care what people think of them, they're practically hoovering our money for pals.
I think "contracts for pals and relatives" is nothing new - covid has just presented the latest opportunity. I honestly don't believe the government are over-egging the stats to keep that opportunity going, they are projecting when hospitals will be full based on their models, and using lockdown as a way to avoid that eventuality. But as I mentioned previously, that statistics is essentially meaningless - how we haven't made an effort to get a better number is beyond me. And if there is a better number that is being hidden from us, I want to know why. As for "pure covid" deaths, I'd be interested in knowing more, though that could also be a meaningless stastic if covid is deadly in exacerbating underlying conditions in huge numbers of people. Anyhow, this will all be a moot point when case numbers and hospitalizations start to fall significantly due to the vaccine (as I said, hopefully!!) and calls to ease lockdown grow.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Thu 11 Feb 20:54
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Had a wee look to try and find the FOI that was made to Tayside NHS.
I assume this is Rasta`s friend who has made the request to several heath boards in Scotland. As far as I can see they weren`t satisfied with the answer given by Tayside or other regions with the exception of Highlands and Islands health board which gave figures far in excess of six. Perhaps others will be able to find the Tayside figures that were revealed by the FOI.
Anyway here is a link where you can`t drill into all the different types of FOIs.
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/user/miss_g_2
I saw an FOI screenshot being shared on Facebook about a month ago showing the quoted 6 for Tayside and requesting 'only covid deaths'.
There have been comments on here about government figures being 'massaged' but I can't help but think the same is happening on the other side of the debate here....
On the problems with 'only covid deaths'...
1. I believe that the majority of deaths (not just covid) will have more than one item listed as 'cause of death' so the wording of the request instantly excludes a huge number.
2. It's also worth considering that as we all get older we sadly tend to pick up chronic conditions along the way. I saw something years ago saying that 80% of those 65+ will have a chronic condition of some kind. Obviously that chronic condition could contribute to your ability to fight covid or be aggravated by by the virus and would therefore be listed as one of the causes of death. Again large proportion ignored.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Thu 11 Feb 21:34
That`s exactly the point. Covid doesn`t tend to kill off completely fit, healthy, young people with no medical conditions.
Unfortunately it does kill off plenty of people who are older, overweight or have underlying conditions (whether they know about them or not). Without contracting Covid, these people could well have lived many more years.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 12 Feb 10:48
Don't book a holiday says Matt Hancock....who has booked a holiday.
Follow the science though.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Fri 12 Feb 13:51
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Don't book a holiday says Matt Hancock....who has booked a holiday.
Follow the science though.
Yes but like us he booked his holiday last year. I have several holidays booked for this year starting in April. These were all booked in July last year when we would have expected to be in a better position.
So I'm not sure what your point is!
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 12 Feb 14:22
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Don't book a holiday says Matt Hancock....who has booked a holiday.
Follow the science though.
Yes but like us he booked his holiday last year. I have several holidays booked for this year starting in April. These were all booked in July last year when we would have expected to be in a better position.
So I'm not sure what your point is!
He'll likely get yo go his, not stay in a quarantine hotel even if required, you know, he won't be subject to the same rules and punishments we are.
We'll see.
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Topic Originator: EastEndBoy
Date: Fri 12 Feb 14:45
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Rastapari, Fri 12 Feb 10:48
Don't book a holiday says Matt Hancock....who has booked a holiday.
Follow the science though.
Yes but like us he booked his holiday last year. I have several holidays booked for this year starting in April. These were all booked in July last year when we would have expected to be in a better position.
So I'm not sure what your point is!
He'll likely get yo go his, not stay in a quarantine hotel even if required, you know, he won't be subject to the same rules and punishments we are.
We'll see.
I'm not sure he'll need to quarantine for a trip to Cornwall to be fair.
...ken?
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Fri 12 Feb 15:13
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EastEndBoy, Fri 12 Feb 14:45
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Rastapari, Fri 12 Feb 14:22
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moviescot, Fri 12 Feb 13:51
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Rastapari, Fri 12 Feb 10:48
Don't book a holiday says Matt Hancock....who has booked a holiday.
Follow the science though.
Yes but like us he booked his holiday last year. I have several holidays booked for this year starting in April. These were all booked in July last year when we would have expected to be in a better position.
So I'm not sure what your point is!
He'll likely get yo go his, not stay in a quarantine hotel even if required, you know, he won't be subject to the same rules and punishments we are.
We'll see.
I'm not sure he'll need to quarantine for a trip to Cornwall to be fair.
Indeed it was a staycation holiday. As are all the holidays I've booked.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 12 Feb 16:26
Rasta......owned......again
Science
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 12 Feb 17:05
I reckon summer holidays will be on for everyone, at least those who can afford one, and of course for those who are vaccinated they can likely go abroad.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Fri 12 Feb 22:12
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The One Who Knocks, Fri 12 Feb 17:05
I reckon summer holidays will be on for everyone, at least those who can afford one, and of course for those who are vaccinated they can likely go abroad.
Not sure about abroad.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Fri 12 Feb 22:12
Quote:
da_no_1, Fri 12 Feb 16:26
Rasta......owned......again
Science
It's getting too easy.
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Topic Originator: donj
Date: Fri 12 Feb 23:49
Anyway as far as the virus goes we in Fife are one of the lowest levels in the country now.Maybe some light at the end of the tunnel.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 16 Feb 14:41
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da_no_1, Fri 12 Feb 16:26
Rasta......owned......again
Science
Bless.
Not really, it's hypocritical.
Get back to cowering yeah?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 16 Feb 14:42
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GG Riva, Sun 14 Feb 11:13
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OzPar, Sun 14 Feb 10:31
Here`s an interesting article in the New York magazine that should give us all a fair bit of hope about the vaccine. It is really encouraging news...
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/02/will-covid-vaccine-work-uk-strain-south-africa-herd-immunity.html
That is encouraging, Oz. I've heard that the latest claim doing the rounds on Facebook etc, is that you should steer clear of these vaccines as they will alter your DNA. 😃
Maybe look into before you laugh, kinda the point of the Pfizer vaccine.
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Tue 16 Feb 16:12
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 16 Feb 16:34
Me and Marydoll got our Pfizer jab today, we were really impressed with the system at Haddington Hospital they have it spot on Minimal waiting all jabs done on time wee seat for 15 mins with a flat white from the volunteer cafe
18 mile round trip ... left home at 10.10 home at 11.30
We really do have a fantastic NHS
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 16 Feb 19:08
G.G. I think everyone if they were to admit it has a doubt that the vaccine will cause some sort of future health issue .... Me and Mary certainly did and still do and we both said we would not go for it
But we did
If it helps the future generations get back to some sort of normality by using us auld yins as guinea pigs well so be it
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 16 Feb 20:28
Bill Gates is making you say that isn`t he Buspass?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 16 Feb 21:01
Hahaha like that towk .. he paid for my coffee .. :)
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 16 Feb 21:11
The Mrs and I went for our jag today, unfortunately we didn't get it as there's not a sufficient interval from our Victoria Hospital adventure.
Rebooked for Friday!
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 16 Feb 21:29
Good to hear from you again LA .. hope you are both fully recovered ... good luck for Friday .. take care
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 17 Feb 09:26
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Buspasspar, Tue 16 Feb 21:29
Good to hear from you again LA .. hope you are both fully recovered ... good luck for Friday .. take care
Cheers! Doing better each week, wife will be washing the car this weekend 🤣
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Fri 19 Feb 17:04
Of course he won`t be punished.
He didn`t do anything illegal. He just acted unlawfully!
I think they know this from the start. The best case scenario is that they get away with it, and the worst is a slap on the wrist and maybe losing a cabinet post (but keeping your job and MP salary).
Imagine if us plebs could just help ourselves to the contents of the till in Tesco and give it to away to our neighbours, then the worst that happens is you need to change your job title. It would be a free-for-all.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 19 Feb 17:25
All about the cash money.
Keep clapping.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sat 20 Feb 07:40
How did a failed and forgotten track and trace cost 7 or 8 times more than landing a buggy on Mars?
Theft...and we're to believe the thieves are looking after us.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 20 Feb 10:21
Forgetting the third T. It`s the testing part of the test, track and trace that has taken up the majority of the 22 billion Westminster has allocated to its TTT system. This figure includes the frequent testing of all front line workers. 22 billion does seem excessive though that figure hasn`t been reached yet as that is the total sum allocated. Tried to find figures for the cost in Scotland for our similar scheme but the nearest I could find was an FOI that said the numbers weren`t available for Scotland.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Sat 20 Feb 11:44
I think 22 billion is hugely excessive regardless of how you look at it. This is more than three times the entire annual cancer treatment budget of the NHS, and it doesn`t even include any Covid treatment. Our kids are going to look back at this whole period in years to come and wonder how we managed to screw things up so badly.
I should point out that I am obviously not saying that testing is pointless. The testing of some front line workers is clearly necessary, but that would be a relatively small part of the 22 billion.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sun 21 Feb 08:04
Billions in stolen money....here's Harry and Megan, move on plebs,back in the house.
Pathetic.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 21 Feb 17:09
From the Beeb :-
Tony Hancock going to gaol ?
A firm is being investigated by the UK medical regulator after it was awarded a £30m contract during the pandemic.
Alex Bourne - who used to run a pub near Matt Hancock`s old constituency home in West Suffolk - made vials for Covid testing through his firm Hinpack, which had no history of medical goods.
The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has confirmed it is now investigating the company.
Mr Hancock has previously said he had nothing to do with the contract.
The MHRA said it took "all reports of non-compliance very seriously".
The Guardian reported Mr Bourne had offered his services to the government via a personal WhatsApp message to the health secretary, saying they had known each other for years.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 21 Feb 17:30
Good law project fighting out this one, believe Gove is defendant in the next case.
Taxpayers money getting spent on these defences of illegal activity.
If these guilty verdicts are not resigning/sacking matters then what are?
Meanwhile it is reported by civil servants that they are becoming increasingly concerned about Johnson's mental stability, as his next dream is to build a roundabout under the Isle of Man, with links to UK and Ireland!🤔🤣🤣🤣
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 21 Feb 19:01
Good to see you back in the saddle LA :)
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 21 Feb 21:55
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Buspasspar, Sun 21 Feb 19:01
Good to see you back in the saddle LA :)
Had to get the brain reprogrammed!🤯🤯🤯
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 22 Feb 11:04
New data suggesting vaccine is reducing hospital admissions. Good news.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 22 Feb 11:22
The UK must have one of the most corrupt government's in the world, quite easily.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Mon 22 Feb 11:54
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Rastapari, Mon 22 Feb 11:22
The UK must have one of the most corrupt government's in the world, quite easily.
Something we can agree on.
The Tories are disaster capitalists, when something happens their first response is not how to rectify the situation but is " how can we enrich ourselves from this situation"
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 22 Feb 12:09
Yes Jake it is incredibly encouraging news about how the vaccines are helping to bring this virus under control. I`m expecting and hoping to see the various rates continue to plummet over the coming weeks. The end of restrictions is very much in sight.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: EastEndBoy
Date: Mon 22 Feb 14:26
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Rastapari, Mon 22 Feb 11:22
The UK must have one of the most corrupt government's in the world, quite easily.
It's perfectly fine to simultaneously hold the tories in absolute contempt (this extra unpleasant incarnation of the party in particular) while also appreciating that the vaccine roll out (and increasingly, the vaccine itself) has been a triumphant success.
...ken?
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 22 Feb 14:46
Exactly.
Being optimistic about the lockdown easing due to the vaccine doesn`t = thinking Nick Hancock is a stand up guy.
As an aside, I`m utterly staggered to have just found out that he`s 5 months younger than me. I`m glad I`m not in politics.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Mon 22 Feb 15:01
Matt Hancock even. I thought that sounded odd. Probably rather have the "big in the 90s" sort-of comedian in charge of the NHS though.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: davepars
Date: Mon 22 Feb 16:11
Not long till we can get back to East End, according to today`s review.
Sturgeon expected to closely mirror the UK government`s step by step unlock.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 22 Feb 18:40
Good law project going to court tomorrow to reveal the PPE backhanders that the government have given their pals.
Government have 12 solicitors and 8 barristers defending them at a cost of £1million.
More taxpayers money going down the drain!😡🤬😡🤬
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 22 Feb 19:18
Never ending LA ..
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Mon 22 Feb 19:23
They are common crooks, thieves and liars.....they're bolt ons for knighthoods.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 23 Feb 07:30
No jab no job and vaccine passports, I tol d you.
Two weeks to flatten the curve.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Tue 23 Feb 07:55
Take it admin don’t have a “deleted - whinging” button any more?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 23 Feb 08:35
I assume than Rasta then you will be getting the vaccine then? Otherwise you won`t have a job if what you say is true.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: CAPar
Date: Tue 23 Feb 11:33
Vaccine passports are hardly a revelation.
As pointed out at various times way further up this thread, there are several places that you need to provide proof of vaccination for things like yellow fever before you're allowed to travel to them.
If it means getting back to normal, then what's the problem? The more people vaccinated, the less chance of mutations appearing that can escape the vaccine and put us back in the same situation we're in just now.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 23 Feb 12:43
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The One Who Knocks, Tue 23 Feb 08:35
I assume than Rasta then you will be getting the vaccine then? Otherwise you won`t have a job if what you say is true.
No, I will look at a legal challenge, there is no goid healthy reason for me to take the vaccine.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 23 Feb 12:44
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CAPar, Tue 23 Feb 11:33
Vaccine passports are hardly a revelation.
As pointed out at various times way further up this thread, there are several places that you need to provide proof of vaccination for things like yellow fever before you're allowed to travel to them.
If it means getting back to normal, then what's the problem? The more people vaccinated, the less chance of mutations appearing that can escape the vaccine and put us back in the same situation we're in just now.
I know this i'm not stupid, however its bit different proving you are clinically safe for certain rare instances from not being able to shop or have a job or go out.
We may as well just jump straight to badges on the arm.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Tue 23 Feb 13:13
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Rastapari, Tue 23 Feb 12:43
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The One Who Knocks, Tue 23 Feb 08:35
I assume than Rasta then you will be getting the vaccine then? Otherwise you won`t have a job if what you say is true.
No, I will look at a legal challenge, there is no goid healthy reason for me to take the vaccine.
This is not the government insisting this. It is one plumbing company in London, it will only apply to any new employees.
I think it might be reasonable if plumbers are expected to go into vulnerable peoples homes who were not able to be vaccinated in order to safeguard them.
I'm not entirely comfortable with this but if the company can justify it on safety grounds then so be it.
There may also be the possibility they want their employees to have a reasonable level of intelligence and this is a way of weeding out those not meeting the standards expected.
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Topic Originator: allparone
Date: Tue 23 Feb 13:18
If this government’s in charge of dishing out vaccine passports then there’s a very good chance you’ll get one whether you’ve had the vaccine or not.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Tue 23 Feb 14:13
My 91yr old mother stays in sheltered housing and have not had a Covid case, so far, I believe all the residents have had their vaccination.
The warden and the cleaner have decided not to have the injection, both are employed by Fife Council, this doesn't seem right!
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Tue 23 Feb 14:53
SIF it’s a government review into how vaccination certificates could be used in England with potential for employers to write the need into contracts for new starts or businesses limiting entrance that have close contact (eg football crowds).
Suppose the question is whether you consider Rastas ambivalence to possibly spreading Covid to those that cannot have a vaccine (assuming a waiver is available to those that have a clinical reason to decline) is a fair reason to exclude individuals or whether you consider the risk reduction through mass vaccination is a sufficient mitigant to allow outliers full access.
I suspect that while take up is high at the moment this will become a problem as vaccine offer reaches younger age groups who refuse for various reasons such as the invincibility of youth or tinfoil hat wearing buffoons or concerns about long term effects. If the declines are sufficiently high to generate risk then I personally think too bad use certification to keep them out - but not everyone will have that view. We already send smokers outside to prevent harm to others so they can get their avocado on toast delivered and watch fitba on tv.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-government-considers-vaccine-and-testing-certificates-to-ease-lockdown-12226043
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Tue 23 Feb 14:56
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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh
Date: Tue 23 Feb 15:31
I know it might sound stupid, but I don`t get the obsession with SARS-CoV-2. Viruses, and vaccines to help prevent them, existed before 2019 and hardly anyone gave a crap.
All we should be doing is encouraging (not forcing) as many people as possible to get vaccinated, then we can get on with things. If the vaccine is really 85-95% effective in stopping severe cases then once most over 60s have been vaccinated it shouldn`t even be in the news any more.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Tue 23 Feb 16:44
Doesn’t look like we will be getting on with things ever again since NS is keeping us in tiers forever - even though their own tiering data requirements take us below tier 3 we are still getting dumped there (in a couple more months) so how do you actually get out 🤷🏻♂️
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Tue 23 Feb 19:28
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Rastapari, Tue 23 Feb 12:43
Quote:
The One Who Knocks, Tue 23 Feb 08:35
I assume than Rasta then you will be getting the vaccine then? Otherwise you won`t have a job if what you say is true.
No, I will look at a legal challenge, there is no goid healthy reason for me to take the vaccine.
Who against?
Rasta vs The Rest Of The World
Will make a great film
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Tue 23 Feb 21:29
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da_no_1, Tue 23 Feb 19:28
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Rastapari, Tue 23 Feb 12:43
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The One Who Knocks, Tue 23 Feb 08:35
I assume than Rasta then you will be getting the vaccine then? Otherwise you won`t have a job if what you say is true.
No, I will look at a legal challenge, there is no goid healthy reason for me to take the vaccine.
Who against?
Rasta vs The Rest Of The World
Will make a great film
A courtroom drama...
"The Sheeple Vs Rastapari"
'You can't handle the truth', being shouted repeatedly.
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Tue 23 Feb 21:59
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 24 Feb 07:48
And to think , most of you lot greet when you get back what you give.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 24 Feb 08:04
Is the concern here that you won't get a job as a plumber at Pimlico, Rasta? Can assure there is no way they'd get away with enforcing such a rule.
If you don't want to get vaccinated, then don't get vaccinated.
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Wed 24 Feb 08:10
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Rastapari, Wed 24 Feb 07:48
And to think , most of you lot greet when you get back what you give.
Eh?!
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Wed 24 Feb 11:55
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moviescot, Wed 24 Feb 08:10
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Rastapari, Wed 24 Feb 07:48
And to think , most of you lot greet when you get back what you give.
Eh?!
Moviescot as per i'm subject to the usual, from people who get rattled if I retaliate.
Imagine getting mocked for being willing to stick up for myself and rights...by invertebrates who meekly give theirs up.
Only in this rather spineless place eh...
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 24 Feb 12:55
Rasta if you don't fancy being "mocked" maybe try not constantly "mocking" everyone else on here?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Wed 24 Feb 16:59
wish we had competent media who would do 5mins of homework and ask a probing question or 2 to highlight how 8more weeks of lockdown for the majority of the country is absolutely absurd. Even if Ruth the mooth has a semi sensible advisor could rip apart FM strategy and pinpoint so many flaws but sadly its a case of sucking up a draconian lockdown costing more lives than covid does.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 24 Feb 17:38
And how long do you think England's "lift " will last?
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 24 Feb 18:07
Very reassuring!🤔🤯🤯🤯
99% of people arriving in country are not going into hotel quarantine. Evidence from Home Office to @CommonsHomeAffs this am. 15,000 people arriving a day. 150 go to hotels - only 1%. Majority can still go straight onto public transport home without being tested on arrival https://t.co/9eMtOWpmD8
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Wed 24 Feb 19:01
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Wed 24 Feb 18:07
Very reassuring!🤔🤯🤯🤯
99% of people arriving in country are not going into hotel quarantine. Evidence from Home Office to @CommonsHomeAffs this am. 15,000 people arriving a day. 150 go to hotels - only 1%. Majority can still go straight onto public transport home without being tested on arrival https://t.co/9eMtOWpmD8
Link fixed
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Wed 24 Feb 19:22
Quote:
Playup_Pompey, Wed 24 Feb 16:59
wish we had competent media who would do 5mins of homework and ask a probing question or 2 to highlight how 8more weeks of lockdown for the majority of the country is absolutely absurd. Even if Ruth the mooth has a semi sensible advisor could rip apart FM strategy and pinpoint so many flaws but sadly its a case of sucking up a draconian lockdown costing more lives than covid does.
First time in donkeys I caught her talking and to be fair the question came up more than once. The rational for the extended lock down is that they still don't know what impact the new Covid variants will have so rather than use the criteria for the previous tiers they're looking to collect more data as they slowly ease the lockdown.
You might disagree with that approach the question was asked and there is a reason for it.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Thu 25 Feb 07:46
"First time in donkeys I caught her talking and to be fair the question came up more than once. The rational for the extended lock down is that they still don`t know what impact the new Covid variants will have so rather than use the criteria for the previous tiers they`re looking to collect more data as they slowly ease the lockdown.
You might disagree with that approach the question was asked and there is a reason for it."
yet the roadmap allows for foreign travel before this country is on its feet and "normal" with pubs open and gigs and fans at events etc with as per above zero being done on the measures that are already in place to "close the borders". Really concerned about all those new variants coming into the country.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Thu 25 Feb 09:05
There is some limited business travel and there are also requirements to provide a negative Covid test and isolate on arrival with limited exceptions.
She specifically said foreign summer holidays were unlikely to be allowed and made reference to cross border travel with England needing to be considered as they will likely have different foreign travel rules in place. They don't want a repeat of last year when folk brought back more cases after being abroad.
Pubs will be open before international travel is fully relaxed.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Thu 25 Feb 09:37
"She specifically said foreign summer holidays were unlikely to be allowed and made reference to cross border travel with England needing to be considered as they will likely have different foreign travel rules in place. They don`t want a repeat of last year when folk brought back more cases after being abroad"
would require a massive legal change and a "hard" border to be enforced. Would start civil breakout doing so IMO.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 25 Feb 10:31
Wonder when they'll announce the variant that causes the body attack itself 🤔
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 25 Feb 11:55
Maybe you guys can answer this, how come Bill Gates, not a doctor, gets videos on vaccines allowed on Facebook....however actual doctors raising concerns about locjdown effects etc get taken down?
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 25 Feb 13:08
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Rastapari, Thu 25 Feb 11:55
Maybe you guys can answer this, how come Bill Gates, not a doctor, gets videos on vaccines allowed on Facebook....however actual doctors raising concerns about locjdown effects etc get taken down?
Provide evidence of doctors having videos of concerns about lockdown effects being taken down.
I don't believe you cause I have seen such videos on Facebook. There are legitimate concerns that we do need to be talking about and taking steps to mitigate as best we can.
I'm going to hazard a guess any videos taken down went further and were full blown conspiracy theory that just happened to also talk about a real consequence of lockdown as well.
Was interesting to see yesterday some fruit loop in Texas claiming Bill Gates was responsible for the "fake snow" that they couldn't melt with a lighter that turned black when trying to do so.
While there are many things to not like Bill Gates over his vaccine programme for Africa is not one of them.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 25 Feb 13:31
Sadindiefreak you don't exist after your little stunt, no mention of the to and fto that led to our conversation, private conversation.
Do one, I give not one ounce of fecal matter about you or your opinion.
Bye now.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 25 Feb 13:35
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Rastapari, Thu 25 Feb 13:31
Sadindiefreak you don't exist after your little stunt, no mention of the to and fto that led to our conversation, private conversation.
Do one, I give not one ounce of fecal matter about you or your opinion.
Bye now.
There was no too and fro before and you know it you liar.
I will post the whole conversation again if you like with the swear words blanked out and everyone can see what a lowlife you are.
Edit:
Actually I don't need to post whole thing to show you are a liar.
Previous contact was 31Jan 20.
I reached out to you on 19Dec20.
So no too and fro...liar.
Post Edited (Thu 25 Feb 13:54)
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Topic Originator: moviescot
Date: Thu 25 Feb 16:18
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Rastapari, Thu 25 Feb 11:55
Maybe you guys can answer this, how come Bill Gates, not a doctor, gets videos on vaccines allowed on Facebook....however actual doctors raising concerns about locjdown effects etc get taken down?
Never seen any of these bill gates videos.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Thu 25 Feb 16:33
Professor Mark Woolhouse, chair of infectious disease epidemiology at Edinburgh University, and one the FM`s advisory team, has told Holyrood’s Covid-19 Committee that the virus has never been close to elimination.
Sturgeon has repeatedly claimed it was during the summer and blamed the upsurge on incomers.
How very dare he, what does he know?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 25 Feb 17:18
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sadindiefreak, Thu 25 Feb 13:35
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Rastapari, Thu 25 Feb 13:31
Sadindiefreak you don't exist after your little stunt, no mention of the to and fto that led to our conversation, private conversation.
Do one, I give not one ounce of fecal matter about you or your opinion.
Bye now.
There was no too and fro before and you know it you liar.
I will post the whole conversation again if you like with the swear words blanked out and everyone can see what a lowlife you are.
Edit:
Actually I don't need to post whole thing to show you are a liar.
Previous contact was 31Jan 20.
I reached out to you on 19Dec20.
So no too and fro...liar.
Your lucky i don't trawl, clearly forgotten some other topics eh.
Do one.
You're an irrelevance to me as I would hope I am to you.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
Post Edited (Thu 25 Feb 17:34)
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 25 Feb 17:35
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Rastapari, Thu 25 Feb 17:18
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sadindiefreak, Thu 25 Feb 13:35
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Rastapari, Thu 25 Feb 13:31
Sadindiefreak you don't exist after your little stunt, no mention of the to and fto that led to our conversation, private conversation.
Do one, I give not one ounce of fecal matter about you or your opinion.
Bye now.
There was no too and fro before and you know it you liar.
I will post the whole conversation again if you like with the swear words blanked out and everyone can see what a lowlife you are.
Edit:
Actually I don't need to post whole thing to show you are a liar.
Previous contact was 31Jan 20.
I reached out to you on 19Dec20.
So no too and fro...liar.
Your lucky i don't trawl, clearly forgotten some other topics eh.
Do one.
Go on then provide any evidence there was any conversation outside of .net that was between Jan 2020 and Dec 2020 before when I contacted you.
You can’t cause there was none. You are a total f****** liar.
What "other topics"? You have absolutely no integrity.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 25 Feb 18:03
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 25 Feb 18:27
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Thu 25 Feb 17:35
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Rastapari, Thu 25 Feb 17:18
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sadindiefreak, Thu 25 Feb 13:35
Quote:
Rastapari, Thu 25 Feb 13:31
Sadindiefreak you don't exist after your little stunt, no mention of the to and fto that led to our conversation, private conversation.
Do one, I give not one ounce of fecal matter about you or your opinion.
Bye now.
There was no too and fro before and you know it you liar.
I will post the whole conversation again if you like with the swear words blanked out and everyone can see what a lowlife you are.
Edit:
Actually I don't need to post whole thing to show you are a liar.
Previous contact was 31Jan 20.
I reached out to you on 19Dec20.
So no too and fro...liar.
Your lucky i don't trawl, clearly forgotten some other topics eh.
Do one.
Go on then provide any evidence there was any conversation outside of .net that was between Jan 2020 and Dec 2020 before when I contacted you.
You can’t cause there was none. You are a total f****** liar.
What "other topics"? You have absolutely no integrity.
So there was no to and fro on another platform that led to disagreement and private conversation?
Aye ok, now, do one, you are utterly irrelevant to me as I would hope I am to you.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 25 Feb 18:28
Quote:
jake89, Thu 25 Feb 18:03
No he is lying about any previous conversation happening.
He is telling me to "do one" when this is a public forum and I am perfectly entitled to challenge any misinformation he posts.
After the conversation he then made a comment on here about me going "crying" to him before when I fact checked him on something.
I refuse to be intimidated by him, so no I will not let is go when someone is lying about me.
Pretty sure if someone was lying about you you wouldn't be so keen to let it go either.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Thu 25 Feb 18:33
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Rastapari, Thu 25 Feb 18:27
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sadindiefreak, Thu 25 Feb 17:35
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Rastapari, Thu 25 Feb 17:18
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sadindiefreak, Thu 25 Feb 13:35
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Rastapari, Thu 25 Feb 13:31
Sadindiefreak you don't exist after your little stunt, no mention of the to and fto that led to our conversation, private conversation.
Do one, I give not one ounce of fecal matter about you or your opinion.
Bye now.
There was no too and fro before and you know it you liar.
I will post the whole conversation again if you like with the swear words blanked out and everyone can see what a lowlife you are.
Edit:
Actually I don't need to post whole thing to show you are a liar.
Previous contact was 31Jan 20.
I reached out to you on 19Dec20.
So no too and fro...liar.
Your lucky i don't trawl, clearly forgotten some other topics eh.
Do one.
Go on then provide any evidence there was any conversation outside of .net that was between Jan 2020 and Dec 2020 before when I contacted you.
You can’t cause there was none. You are a total f****** liar.
What "other topics"? You have absolutely no integrity.
So there was no to and fro on another platform that led to disagreement and private conversation?
Aye ok, now, do one, you are utterly irrelevant to me as I would hope I am to you.
No there wasn't.
Provide evidence then. What "other platform?" I've shown there was no contact after Jan 2020.
No I will not do one.
This is a public forum I have as much right to be here as you do.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 26 Feb 12:52
You are indeed very sad...our conversation came abou after numerous to and fro's and I'm not remotely trying to intimidate you, grow up.
Anyway, back to you being irrelevant to me, I suggest you give me the same status.
But like that screenshot you have saved on your profile, let me tell you I'm easy, keep it if you must child but what was I supposed to say, you escalated this, not I.
Post what you want, go for it, just don't cry if I ignore you.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: davepars
Date: Fri 26 Feb 13:23
Can we get a part 6 and lock maybe pop some of the absolute drivel on another more relevant thread?
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Fri 26 Feb 14:08
Quote:
Rastapari, Fri 26 Feb 12:52
You are indeed very sad...our conversation came abou after numerous to and fro's and I'm not remotely trying to intimidate you, grow up.
Anyway, back to you being irrelevant to me, I suggest you give me the same status.
But like that screenshot you have saved on your profile, let me tell you I'm easy, keep it if you must child but what was I supposed to say, you escalated this, not I.
Post what you want, go for it, just don't cry if I ignore you.
I had already forgotten about it because you made an "unreserved apology "
Then you brought it back up again.
There was to too and fro before.
You are a liar.
Your "unreserved apology" was work SFA.
I will continue to debunk and challenge any bs you post and agree in the unlikely and rare event you post anything that is true.
I'm happy to leave this as is for now but both you and I know you are lying and it shows exactly the type of person you are.
Bye.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Fri 26 Feb 14:52
Whilst I don't always agree with what Rasta comes out with, the sheer pettiness of having THAT as a signature is really something else. Can we PLEASE get back on topic or admin, please just close this thread
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 26 Feb 15:01
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Fri 26 Feb 14:08
Quote:
Rastapari, Fri 26 Feb 12:52
You are indeed very sad...our conversation came abou after numerous to and fro's and I'm not remotely trying to intimidate you, grow up.
Anyway, back to you being irrelevant to me, I suggest you give me the same status.
But like that screenshot you have saved on your profile, let me tell you I'm easy, keep it if you must child but what was I supposed to say, you escalated this, not I.
Post what you want, go for it, just don't cry if I ignore you.
I had already forgotten about it because you made an "unreserved apology "
Then you brought it back up again.
There was to too and fro before.
You are a liar.
Your "unreserved apology" was work SFA.
I will continue to debunk and challenge any bs you post and agree in the unlikely and rare event you post anything that is true.
I'm happy to leave this as is for now but both you and I know you are lying and it shows exactly the type of person you are.
Bye.
OK I'll bite, you started it again after my apology, yeah it shows a person that A...in the first instance did not know what issues you had, I also expressed i was sorry you were going through that...
Now kindly just get to wherever, you are of no concern to me and your opinion is not shared amongst the great many friends I have, now please, do one, you're getting ignored.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Fri 26 Feb 15:06
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Rastapari, Fri 26 Feb 15:01
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sadindiefreak, Fri 26 Feb 14:08
Quote:
Rastapari, Fri 26 Feb 12:52
You are indeed very sad...our conversation came abou after numerous to and fro's and I'm not remotely trying to intimidate you, grow up.
Anyway, back to you being irrelevant to me, I suggest you give me the same status.
But like that screenshot you have saved on your profile, let me tell you I'm easy, keep it if you must child but what was I supposed to say, you escalated this, not I.
Post what you want, go for it, just don't cry if I ignore you.
I had already forgotten about it because you made an "unreserved apology "
Then you brought it back up again.
There was to too and fro before.
You are a liar.
Your "unreserved apology" was work SFA.
I will continue to debunk and challenge any bs you post and agree in the unlikely and rare event you post anything that is true.
I'm happy to leave this as is for now but both you and I know you are lying and it shows exactly the type of person you are.
Bye.
OK I'll bite, you started it again after my apology, yeah it shows a person that A...in the first instance did not know what issues you had, I also expressed i was sorry you were going through that...
Now kindly just get to wherever, you are of no concern to me and your opinion is not shared amongst the great many friends I have, now please, do one, you're getting ignored.
Good job on ignoring me.
👏👏👏👏👏
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 26 Feb 15:19
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Fri 26 Feb 15:06
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Rastapari, Fri 26 Feb 15:01
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sadindiefreak, Fri 26 Feb 14:08
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Rastapari, Fri 26 Feb 12:52
You are indeed very sad...our conversation came abou after numerous to and fro's and I'm not remotely trying to intimidate you, grow up.
Anyway, back to you being irrelevant to me, I suggest you give me the same status.
But like that screenshot you have saved on your profile, let me tell you I'm easy, keep it if you must child but what was I supposed to say, you escalated this, not I.
Post what you want, go for it, just don't cry if I ignore you.
I had already forgotten about it because you made an "unreserved apology "
Then you brought it back up again.
There was to too and fro before.
You are a liar.
Your "unreserved apology" was work SFA.
I will continue to debunk and challenge any bs you post and agree in the unlikely and rare event you post anything that is true.
I'm happy to leave this as is for now but both you and I know you are lying and it shows exactly the type of person you are.
Bye.
OK I'll bite, you started it again after my apology, yeah it shows a person that A...in the first instance did not know what issues you had, I also expressed i was sorry you were going through that...
Now kindly just get to wherever, you are of no concern to me and your opinion is not shared amongst the great many friends I have, now please, do one, you're getting ignored.
Good job on ignoring me.
👏👏👏👏👏
Predictably pathetic card to play, like really pathetic,can I call you sad now?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: davepars
Date: Fri 26 Feb 15:59
Is that a mental health slur, considering the very definition of sadness is emotional pain characterized by feelings if sorrow, sadness, despair etc.
Shoddy stuff.
Admin - Part 6 required, preferably kept on topic.
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Topic Originator: BigJPar
Date: Fri 26 Feb 16:01
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 26 Feb 16:26
Admin I've no idea who's right but this thread really needs closing down now for both their sakes. It's not a pleasant read
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Fri 26 Feb 16:28
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da_no_1, Fri 26 Feb 16:26
Admin I've no idea who's right but this thread really needs closing down now for both their sakes. It's not a pleasant read
It's ok da. I'm done with this thread.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Fri 26 Feb 17:20
Worst BroRomCom ever
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