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 The jag
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Fri 5 Feb 11:24

Sorry can’t seem to get into the big COVID thread.

Just wondering how the vaccination programme is doing. I’m in the 70/75 group.
Anyone had it, got appt letter?

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Fri 5 Feb 11:34

My mum got the jag on Tuesday. She's 75.

My dad is 74 and was shielding all last lockdown as he was told. He got his blue envelope today and his appointment is this Tuesday.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Fri 5 Feb 11:49

I`m in the 70-75 group and I`m going for mine tomorrow at 1.10 pm. I got my appointment letter the day after they announced they were starting to send them out. Everyone I`ve spoken to who is eligible has had their jag or has an appointment.

Latest reports are that about 3 in 1000 experience side effects which is fairly typical of other vaccines and these effects are mild and similar to other vaccines such as the flu vaccine.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Fri 5 Feb 12:45

Ta. Postie no here yet. Arms crossed!

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Fri 5 Feb 14:17

It’s here - 9 Feb.
Also a leaflet about organ donation. Which one first?

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Fri 5 Feb 14:20

Get mine 13th Feb

Son in laws Mum took nasty reaction and was in bed 2 days
Auld Sheila across the road neither up nor down

both 80/90`s

We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Fri 5 Feb 14:32

Mither (88) had hers two weeks ago - a bit fuzzy roond the heid and “ripplin muscles” (her words 😂) for twa days efter, then fine. Next dose in April.

I hope oor new big signing gives me my jab. 😘

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: PARS207  
Date:   Fri 5 Feb 15:45

My dads 70 on 21st Feb and got his letter couple weeks ago, has his appointment next Friday.

Mum is 69 in March still awaiting her letter but expect that next week.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Big T Par  
Date:   Fri 5 Feb 15:47

Got mine today.



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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Fri 5 Feb 16:22

“I hope our new big signing gives me the Jab”

There’s a pun or two in there but I’ll leave it to the imagination..and never mind if he’s not available you might get a big braw sodjer!

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: donj  
Date:   Fri 5 Feb 17:23

Wifes appointment arrived today for next Saturday.One of her pals has got hers for next Sunday evening so obviously working extra hours.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: davepars  
Date:   Sat 6 Feb 00:04

Correct me if I`m wrong here, but I`m not seeing widespread reports of people dropping in the streets after being vaccinated.
Have I missed them?
Moreover, I seem to be seeing the vast majority of people jumping at the chance of getting "the jab" when offered......uptake is high.
Light at the end of the tunnel?

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: PARS207  
Date:   Sat 6 Feb 00:17

Quote:

davepars, Sat 6 Feb 00:04

Correct me if I`m wrong here, but I`m not seeing widespread reports of people dropping in the streets after being vaccinated.
Have I missed them?
Moreover, I seem to be seeing the vast majority of people jumping at the chance of getting "the jab" when offered......uptake is high.
Light at the end of the tunnel?


here's hoping the light is there rising above the hills !!

just hope the uptake is as high when get to the lower age groups.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: neilholland999  
Date:   Sat 6 Feb 09:33

Even if the uptake in lower age groups is slightly slower, there is still lots to be optimistic about. The most important thing was always going to be reducing the risk to the elderly and other medically vulnerable groups. The progress so far, and in the coming weeks, should go a long way to achieving that.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sat 6 Feb 13:20

65 - 69 God am I really that auld? ☹

Got my blue envelope this morning. 19th Feb at the imaginatively titled East Church in Tescoland.

Eta. There's nothing to advise what you should do if you don't want to receive the vaccine. Would it not make sense to do so? If I decided not to go, I could let them know and they could give my time slot to someone else.



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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Sat 6 Feb 13:36

Came here hoping the thread was about the highly desirable e-type...
Imagine my disappointment 😕


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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 6 Feb 13:59

How many injections will John Prescott get?

We all hate poverty, war, and injustice.
Unlike the rest of you squares.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sat 6 Feb 14:52

Wife got her blue envelope today 15th feb 8.20pm 33 miles away at the royal highland centre I go the 13th to queen margaret uni 22 miles away I`m going to try and get us both done at the uni same day

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sat 6 Feb 15:11

Lochgelly Centre, me and my wife, 16th Feb. @
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sat 6 Feb 15:30

Quote:

LochgellyAlbert, Sat 6 Feb 15:11

Lochgelly Centre, me and my wife, 16th Feb. @


A belated Valentine's day presy for you both, LA? 🙂

If she moans about it, just tell her she's so lucky you're still above the ground. 🤣



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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: dave67  
Date:   Sat 6 Feb 15:33

Just got my blue envelope.
Friday the 13th

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Sat 6 Feb 15:43

GG check your letter again. There are so many ways to tell them if you don’t want it/can’t make it/rearrange ...made me fair dizzy so it did!

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sat 6 Feb 15:44

Quote:

GG Riva, Sat 6 Feb 15:30

Quote:

LochgellyAlbert, Sat 6 Feb 15:11

Lochgelly Centre, me and my wife, 16th Feb. @


A belated Valentine's day presy for you both, LA? 🙂

If she moans about it, just tell her she's so lucky you're still above the ground. 🤣


🤣🤣🤣🤣👍...She had the policies out!

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sat 6 Feb 16:50

Quote:

Parboiled, Sat 6 Feb 15:43

GG check your letter again. There are so many ways to tell them if you don’t want it/can’t make it/rearrange ...made me fair dizzy so it did!


I saw info for can't make it and rearrange it, but not for declining it. I'm getting it in any case, so doesn't apply to me. I didn't see anything asking me to confirm that I will be attending, so I take it there's no need?



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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sat 6 Feb 18:16

I had mine (Astra-Zeneca) at the EICC early this afternoon. Everything went like clockwork, no queuing, no waiting. They said they were open 12 hours a day and would be open tomorrow.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: GEW35  
Date:   Mon 8 Feb 08:20

My mum got her envelope last week inviting her for her first jag on the 11th February but she got hers done the first week in January. Phoned the number on the letter, the girl who answered was very pleasant however she didn’t know how to cancel an appointment and kept asking my mum if she was sure she’d already had her first dose! Mum’s 85 this year so comes under the pre 5th February deadline (which was met). A mix up somewhere and she’s probably not the only one, concerning if that’s a raft of appointments allocated to folk who won’t turn up as they’ve already had their first jag.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Mon 8 Feb 12:23

Or more concerning is that someone may turn up thinking it is for second jab and actually receive it.
They may get a different vaccine way before 12 week gap.
There may be serious implications for this especially if that person is fragile anyway.

Might be an idea to alert someone more senior than you have so they can get to the bottom of it and prevent this potential risk.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: GEW35  
Date:   Mon 8 Feb 14:04

Quote:

sadindiefreak, Mon 08 Feb 12:23

Or more concerning is that someone may turn up thinking it is for second jab and actually receive it.
They may get a different vaccine way before 12 week gap.
There may be serious implications for this especially if that person is fragile anyway.

Might be an idea to alert someone more senior than you have so they can get to the bottom of it and prevent this potential risk.


Yes, I’d agree it’s a bit concerning. Although to be fair it was clear on the letter the appointment was for a first dose. My mum already has her appointment for the second jag as this was given at the time of the first.

It isn’t just Fife either as I’ve read of the same thing happening in other health board areas.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Mon 8 Feb 14:55

Quote:

davepars, Sat 6 Feb 00:04

Correct me if I`m wrong here, but I`m not seeing widespread reports of people dropping in the streets after being vaccinated.
Have I missed them?
Moreover, I seem to be seeing the vast majority of people jumping at the chance of getting "the jab" when offered......uptake is high.
Light at the end of the tunnel?


Plenty of reports of nursing home outbreaks after the jab.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Mon 8 Feb 15:29

Jake is going explode now I fear 🤣

We all hate poverty, war, and injustice.
Unlike the rest of you squares.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 8 Feb 15:40

I'm getting it printed on a t-shirt right now...😂

My understanding is there will be no mixing of vaccines unless it's unavoidable. So if you got Pfizer first time then you get Pfizer second time.

My further understanding is that the calls are handled by the equivalent of MGT (if that still exists) so they probably only have limited records rather than access to the full patient record.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Mon 8 Feb 21:27

Quote:

jake89, Mon 8 Feb 15:40

I'm getting it printed on a t-shirt right now...😂

My understanding is there will be no mixing of vaccines unless it's unavoidable. So if you got Pfizer first time then you get Pfizer second time.

My further understanding is that the calls are handled by the equivalent of MGT (if that still exists) so they probably only have limited records rather than access to the full patient record.


I was just saying that in the scenario where there was a mix up and letter sent for first jab to someone who already have it then there is the potential they gey a different vaccine at an earlier time than they should be getting second jab.

It certainly isn't what should be happening but there does seem to be some error in someone getting a letter who has already been vaccinated.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Mon 8 Feb 23:12

I don't know how it's working but the person administering it will be updating your record based on your CHI number. I'd assume it would show up if someone had already had a dose.

If we could all just get to grips with using the internet it would be a hell of a lot easier!
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: sintv  
Date:   Tue 9 Feb 09:35

Quote:

dave67, Sat 6 Feb 15:33

Just got my blue envelope.
Friday the 13th


Saturday 13th
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 9 Feb 09:54

Can anyone who's had the jag tell me how much time they spent in the vaccination centre altogether? There's no indication given in the letter.

I fondly imagined I'd arrive a maximum of 5 mins before my appointment and be on my way 5 mins after it. A friend of mine told me he spent a total of 40 mins at the East Church in Tescoland, last night as the snow came down and he was slightly concerned about driving home in it.



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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Tue 9 Feb 10:11

NHS Fife have advised that anyone unable to attend for vaccination due to adverse weather do not need to take any action. Another appointment will be automatically generated.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 9 Feb 10:54

I think there were issues with appointments yesterday GG. I'm not sure what the roads are like now but it was pretty bad at the Duloch campus/leisure centre last night and people had dumped cars on the road approaching it.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Mr Mac  
Date:   Tue 9 Feb 11:01

Quote:

GG Riva, Tue 9 Feb 09:54

Can anyone who's had the jag tell me how much time they spent in the vaccination centre altogether? There's no indication given in the letter.

I fondly imagined I'd arrive a maximum of 5 mins before my appointment and be on my way 5 mins after it. A friend of mine told me he spent a total of 40 mins at the East Church in Tescoland, last night as the snow came down and he was slightly concerned about driving home in it.


I believe that just like the flu' jag you are asked to wait for 15 minutes after receiving the vaccine before you leave; to make sure you are not drowsy/ have an immediate reaction.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: goldensixties  
Date:   Tue 9 Feb 14:12

I received the jab at EEP yesterday. I was asked to wait 15 minutes before driving home.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh  
Date:   Wed 10 Feb 08:33

The 15 minutes is to monitor for an allergic reaction. I think the recommendation is to extend it to 30 minutes for anyone who has a history of allergic reactions to vaccines or medicine.

It is probably a bit annoying and boring to sit around waiting for 15 minutes, but if you are one of the (very) unlucky people that have a reaction then the vaccination centre is the best place to be when it happens.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Wed 10 Feb 09:28

At EICC after I`d had my jag I was asked if I was driving home. When I said no I was allowed to leave right away.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 10 Feb 09:31

Quote:

wee eck, Wed 10 Feb 09:28

At EICC after I`d had my jag I was asked if I was driving home. When I said no I was allowed to leave right away.


You are aware that there's a £10,000 fine if it transpires you were lying, wee eck?



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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Wed 10 Feb 11:16

Quote:

goldensixties, Tue 9 Feb 14:12

I received the jab at EEP yesterday. I was asked to wait 15 minutes before driving home.


You could have shovelled some snow off the pitch while you were waiting!🤣🤣🤣
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Sun 21 Feb 10:03

Probably a daft question but we keep getting headlines about all adults in the UK will be getting the vaccine by 31st July (most recent instance) & over 50’s by 15th April according to the PM’s plan but Nicola Sturgeon tells us this week the programme is slowing down owing to supply.

So for Scotland which is it? Surely they would be included in an all UK adults statement but I’ve not seen anything about how lost momentum would be regained


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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: fcda  
Date:   Sun 21 Feb 10:07

No point listening to national news. Consistently covering England-only news and giving mere seconds of coverage to "meanwhile in Scotland/Wales/NI...
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: PARS207  
Date:   Sun 21 Feb 10:49

Quote:

P, Sun 21 Feb 10:03

Probably a daft question but we keep getting headlines about all adults in the UK will be getting the vaccine by 31st July (most recent instance) & over 50’s by 15th April according to the PM’s plan but Nicola Sturgeon tells us this week the programme is slowing down owing to supply.

So for Scotland which is it? Surely they would be included in an all UK adults statement but I’ve not seen anything about how lost momentum would be regained


the Scottish supply only slowing down for last week and this week more than likely then its due to ramp rite back up to more than what it was, which they have explained in the last 10 days or so since it was 1st announced it would lower numbers for a week or 2
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 7 Mar 19:26

I heard on a national Italian TV channel that as many as 80% of French doctors are refusing the vaccine and President Macron is considering making it compulsory.

That can't be true, surely?



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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Sun 7 Mar 20:18

Mum and dad done 4 weeks ago, wife done 3 weeks ago and daughter vaccinated yesterday..... I think I’ll get mine in April😅😅

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Mon 8 Mar 09:23


Topic Originator: GG Riva like | nolike
Date: Sun 7 Mar 19:26

I heard on a national Italian TV channel that as many as 80% of French doctors are refusing the vaccine and President Macron is considering making it compulsory.

That can`t be true, surely?


Wee bit info here G.G.


https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4962

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Mon 8 Mar 15:48

Quote:

GG Riva, Sun 7 Mar 19:26

I heard on a national Italian TV channel that as many as 80% of French doctors are refusing the vaccine and President Macron is considering making it compulsory.

That can't be true, surely?



Why?
Of course doctors don't know anything do they.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 8 Mar 16:47

Quote:

Rastapari, Mon 8 Mar 15:48

Quote:

GG Riva, Sun 7 Mar 19:26

I heard on a national Italian TV channel that as many as 80% of French doctors are refusing the vaccine and President Macron is considering making it compulsory.

That can't be true, surely?



Why?
Of course doctors don't know anything do they.


I was struck by these stats because there are very few dissenting voices among the medical profession in this country, Rasta. Do you think they've been threatened or muzzled in some way and made to tow the Government line?



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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Mon 8 Mar 18:23

GG, did you read the BMJ link that Buspass provided? Some stinging criticism from Italian medical professionals for their colleagues.

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Unlike the rest of you squares.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: davepars  
Date:   Mon 8 Mar 18:45

Some people grasp at any negatives to do with these vaccines, and ignore the many positives.....its unreal.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 9 Mar 07:32

Quote:

The One Who Knocks, Mon 8 Mar 18:23

GG, did you read the BMJ link that Buspass provided? Some stinging criticism from Italian medical professionals for their colleagues.


Yea, saw that TOWK. I just haven't heard any discord from British medics. I can't imagine they've bound and gagged, so why the difference?



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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Tue 9 Mar 08:15

There was strong vaccine scepticism in Italy and France before Covid even started. The Italian government has made 10 vaccines mandatory in the past few years because vaccination rates were falling so much. Does this make those vaccines bad or is it that the public health messaging in those countries is not working in general?


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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 9 Mar 08:25

Quote:

GG Riva, Tue 9 Mar 07:32

Quote:

The One Who Knocks, Mon 8 Mar 18:23

GG, did you read the BMJ link that Buspass provided? Some stinging criticism from Italian medical professionals for their colleagues.


Yea, saw that TOWK. I just haven't heard any discord from British medics. I can't imagine they've bound and gagged, so why the difference?


There's plenty but our media don't do news, look....Megan and Harry.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Thu 11 Mar 16:54

Coincidence ?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56357760

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Thu 11 Mar 17:10

Quote:

Buspasspar, Thu 11 Mar 16:54

Coincidence ?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56357760


Possibly. My wife works in a large chemist, dispensing. They alonv with several other branches, have seen a large increase in men being prescribed medicine for urinary tract infections. Normally they are lucky to see one or two a month. It's generally women that suffer with this illness.

In the last 3 weeks they have seen nearly 40 in their chemist. All the men are of a certain age and when the chemist asked if they have suffered with this in the past, the answer is invariably a no. The interesting part is that all the men have just had the Pfizer vaccine in the previous 3 weeks.

Anecdotal of course but the pharmacist has checked with larger branches and they have seen a similar rise in men.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Thu 11 Mar 17:50

Quote:

moviescot, Thu 11 Mar 17:10

Quote:

Buspasspar, Thu 11 Mar 16:54

Coincidence ?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56357760


Possibly. My wife works in a large chemist, dispensing. They alonv with several other branches, have seen a large increase in men being prescribed medicine for urinary tract infections. Normally they are lucky to see one or two a month. It's generally women that suffer with this illness.

In the last 3 weeks they have seen nearly 40 in their chemist. All the men are of a certain age and when the chemist asked if they have suffered with this in the past, the answer is invariably a no. The interesting part is that all the men have just had the Pfizer vaccine in the previous 3 weeks.

Anecdotal of course but the pharmacist has checked with larger branches and they have seen a similar rise in men.


I had the Pfizer vaccine last month and I'm "A man of a certain age " and have had no side effects. It doesn't quite balance the 40 cases in Mrs moviescot's pharmacy, I know.

In Italy, a 49 year old man had a cardiac arrest, a few days after receiving the Astazenica vaccine and some of the population is now in a blind panic.....



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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Thu 11 Mar 17:57

Same here G.G. Pfizer as well and certainly of a certain age .. no side effects so far

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Thu 11 Mar 20:23

Sister in law had Pfizer jag and is currently suffering with the ailment that is mentioned above, she has had urinary problems in the past.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh  
Date:   Thu 11 Mar 21:03

An increase in UTIs could actually be a side effect of the lockdowns rather than the vaccine.

A lot of people have been avoiding GPs even when they have symptoms. That means that fewer urine samples are being analysed and fewer effective antibiotics are being prescribed.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Fri 12 Mar 11:12

Quote:

aaaaaaaaaargh, Thu 11 Mar 21:03

An increase in UTIs could actually be a side effect of the lockdowns rather than the vaccine.

A lot of people have been avoiding GPs even when they have symptoms. That means that fewer urine samples are being analysed and fewer effective antibiotics are being prescribed.


Male utis are very be rare. No noticeable difference in female ones.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 12 Mar 11:28

A few European countries banning Astrazenica vaccine after fatality blood clots.
Well I have a friend who left that very same company in January last year, she's not a loon, walked into a job elsewhere, let's just say not exactly complimentary, left to protect her reputation and career.

That and having kept myself fit and healthy is why I'm happy to hang back and see what happens first.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Fri 12 Mar 11:52

Keeping yourself fit and healthy means absolutely nothing. You're adamant you'll hang back and see what happens.......what about the tens of millions who've had the vaccine and are healthy? Are you only interested in the tiny minority who experience side effects? And you do realise by "hanging back" and "seeing what happens" you're exposing you and your precious loved ones to the virus.

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 12 Mar 13:45

Quote:

da_no_1, Fri 12 Mar 11:52

Keeping yourself fit and healthy means absolutely nothing. You're adamant you'll hang back and see what happens.......what about the tens of millions who've had the vaccine and are healthy? Are you only interested in the tiny minority who experience side effects? And you do realise by "hanging back" and "seeing what happens" you're exposing you and your precious loved ones to the virus.


A virus so virulent and so deadly I've yet to see it.
Keeping yourself fit and healthy means absolutely nothing?
Have a word with yourself.
Who is more likely to survive, me, or someone the same age weighing in as obese?

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: fcda  
Date:   Fri 12 Mar 14:27

Quote:

Rastapari, Fri 12 Mar 13:45
]A virus so virulent and so deadly I've yet to see it.
Keeping yourself fit and healthy means absolutely nothing?
Have a word with yourself.
Who is more likely to survive, me, or someone the same age weighing in as obese?


Whilst I'm also fairly fit and healthy, I'm still concerned that I'll catch it and pass it on to someone else who struggles with it.

I've only known 1 person personally that caught it. And they died.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Fri 12 Mar 14:29

There is a glitch with the 60 - 64’s. Appts scheduled but not all letters sent out. Worth checking with the helpline if you are in this group



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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 12 Mar 14:47

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fcda, Fri 12 Mar 14:27

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Rastapari, Fri 12 Mar 13:45
]A virus so virulent and so deadly I've yet to see it.
Keeping yourself fit and healthy means absolutely nothing?
Have a word with yourself.
Who is more likely to survive, me, or someone the same age weighing in as obese?


Whilst I'm also fairly fit and healthy, I'm still concerned that I'll catch it and pass it on to someone else who struggles with it.

I've only known 1 person personally that caught it. And they died.


Yeah they keep trotting out the line the vaccine doesn't stop that....so.....a pointless risk for me ta.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Fri 12 Mar 14:55

You must live in a cave then. I know 2 people in intensive care currently, one of them has had a visit already where his wife was told to say her goodbyes, the other is in an induced coma. I know another who was perfectly healthy yet ended up on a ventilator. He's recovering now but can't walk the length of himself. So yeah fit and healthy means nothing. Get the jag.

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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Fri 12 Mar 15:24

Fit and healthy is not a defence against getting covid. There are 3 people in my family. My daughter (13 yrs) got covid. Not too bad thankfully but 2 months later still has no sense of smell and therefore taste. By far the fittest family member who was dancing and a competition trampolinist.

My wife then got it as well. She was a bit worse with a really bad cough and no taste. Taste is more or less back but not quite. Bit of a gym bunny and good level of fitness.

Then there is me. Very much the unhealthiest person in the house with several health issues. Strangely, never caught it.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Fri 12 Mar 15:59

You don't want to catch it!

Psychologically & physically my wife is still getting over it, I have breathing problems walking any distance, when the snow was down it was a nightmare.

Our window cleaner has been in an inducted coma for the last 5 weeks.

It is still very real, my granddaughters nursery has just been closed and is in the process of being deep cleaned.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 12 Mar 16:51

I'm beginning to think that Italy is on a different planet. It's been reported on a news channel that a policeman is paralysed below the waist after receiving the Astra-Zenica jag. The batch of the vaccine has now been impounded, so that it can be tested to see if it is directly responsible. Folk on social media are going mental.

How many will now refuse the vaccine, because of the way this has been reported? Some of them may end up seriously ill or even die from Covid, as a result.



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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 12 Mar 17:07

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da_no_1, Fri 12 Mar 14:55

You must live in a cave then. I know 2 people in intensive care currently, one of them has had a visit already where his wife was told to say her goodbyes, the other is in an induced coma. I know another who was perfectly healthy yet ended up on a ventilator. He's recovering now but can't walk the length of himself. So yeah fit and healthy means nothing. Get the jag.


And I am sorry for that, truly, however I do not live in a cave I only know of one person who got it and survived fine, I live through my eyes not yours.
I'll maybe get it when the trial phase is over.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 12 Mar 17:08

Quote:

GG Riva, Fri 12 Mar 16:51

I'm beginning to think that Italy is on a different planet. It's been reported on a news channel that a policeman is paralysed below the waist after receiving the Astra-Zenica jag. The batch of the vaccine has now been impounded, so that it can be tested to see if it is directly responsible. Folk on social media are going mental.

How many will now refuse the vaccine, because of the way this has been reported? Some of them may end up seriously ill or even die from Covid, as a result.


Or paralysed below the waste, the negatives also have to be recorded surely?

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 12 Mar 17:36

Quote:

Rastapari, Fri 12 Mar 17:08

Quote:

GG Riva, Fri 12 Mar 16:51

I'm beginning to think that Italy is on a different planet. It's been reported on a news channel that a policeman is paralysed below the waist after receiving the Astra-Zenica jag. The batch of the vaccine has now been impounded, so that it can be tested to see if it is directly responsible. Folk on social media are going mental.

How many will now refuse the vaccine, because of the way this has been reported? Some of them may end up seriously ill or even die from Covid, as a result.


Or paralysed below the waste, the negatives also have to be recorded surely?


Sorry, Rasta, I didn't put that very well. The way this has been reported is suggesting that the policeman's paralysis is down to the jag. There's no evidence of that, at this moment. Over 5 million in Europe and approx 11 million in the UK have received the same vaccine and no other paralysis has been reported, so it's almost certainly not been caused by the jag.



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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Fri 12 Mar 17:46

I had the Astra- zenica two days ago. Felt tired and got a slightly sore arm. Other than that I feel fine.
Seem back to normal today.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Fri 12 Mar 17:47

Quote:

GG Riva, Fri 12 Mar 17:36

Quote:

Rastapari, Fri 12 Mar 17:08

Quote:

GG Riva, Fri 12 Mar 16:51

I'm beginning to think that Italy is on a different planet. It's been reported on a news channel that a policeman is paralysed below the waist after receiving the Astra-Zenica jag. The batch of the vaccine has now been impounded, so that it can be tested to see if it is directly responsible. Folk on social media are going mental.

How many will now refuse the vaccine, because of the way this has been reported? Some of them may end up seriously ill or even die from Covid, as a result.


Or paralysed below the waste, the negatives also have to be recorded surely?


Sorry, Rasta, I didn't put that very well. The way this has been reported is suggesting that the policeman's paralysis is down to the jag. There's no evidence of that, at this moment. Over 5 million in Europe and approx 11 million in the UK have received the same vaccine and no other paralysis has been reported, so it's almost certainly not been caused by the jag.


How can you state its almost certainly not been caused by the jag?
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 12 Mar 18:15

GG, can you provide any links to this story about the paralysed policeman?

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 12 Mar 18:45

Quote:

red-star-par,

Sorry, Rasta, I didn't put that very well. The way this has been reported is suggesting that the policeman's paralysis is down to the jag. There's no evidence of that, at this moment. Over 5 million in Europe and approx 11 million in the UK have received the same vaccine and no other paralysis has been reported, so it's almost certainly not been caused by the jag.


How can you state its almost certainly not been caused by the jag?

The word "almost" is key here, red star. It allows for the microscopic chance that the vaccine may be to blame.

If some 16 million people have been vaccinated and the vaccine can cause paralysis, is it not extremely likely that there would be more than one person affected? I respectfully suggest that 16m/1 is a very low risk. Even less than your chance of winning the lottery.

TOWK, sorry I can't provide a link. An Italian relative, who's himself a carabiniere, sent me a WhatsApp message, that he'd seen it on the Calabria regional news.



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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 12 Mar 18:47

No worries. Tried finding it but it has not yet been reported by english language media.

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Topic Originator: fcda  
Date:   Fri 12 Mar 19:02

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Rastapari, Fri 12 Mar 14:47
Yeah they keep trotting out the line the vaccine doesn't stop that....so.....a pointless risk for me ta.


Depends what you read...
Independent, 26th Feb: Pfizer vaccine 'dramatically reduces' Covid transmission risk after one dose, study shows

Regardless, the more people that are vaccinated, the lower the prevalence so less chance of getting it and passing it on.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 13 Mar 07:43

Quote:

moviescot, Fri 12 Mar 15:24

Fit and healthy is not a defence against getting covid. There are 3 people in my family. My daughter (13 yrs) got covid. Not too bad thankfully but 2 months later still has no sense of smell and therefore taste. By far the fittest family member who was dancing and a competition trampolinist.

My wife then got it as well. She was a bit worse with a really bad cough and no taste. Taste is more or less back but not quite. Bit of a gym bunny and good level of fitness.

Then there is me. Very much the unhealthiest person in the house with several health issues. Strangely, never caught it.


I didn't say it was a defence against it, I said you are more likely to survive, which is true.
Again, wilfully misquoted by you.

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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 13 Mar 09:00

To be fair I can`t see where Movie has attributed a quote to you where you say it is a defence.
What I will say Rasta, I`m really not wanting to argue over this, is that you said it`s pointless risk for you to get the vaccine. Well regardless of what you believe the potential side effects to be it clearly and obviously isn`t pointless getting the jab. Now some may decide, wrongly in my opinion, that the risk outweighs the benefits, but for it to be a pointless risk there would have to be no benefit whatsoever. As you`ve conceded that being fit and healthy is no defence against covid even a person in such a state of health could garner some benefit form being vaccinated.

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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Sat 13 Mar 09:29

Italian restrictions tightening after another spike in infections - that’s what vaccine scepticism brings you. Least we still have a path to get out lockdown....thanks to vaccine uptake

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56382608


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Topic Originator: ipswichpar  
Date:   Sat 13 Mar 10:59

I've had it Rasta so that makes two folk you know; if some random bloke off the internet counts as someone you know.

It is a weird one...I was in a hospital ward with 3 others at the time. We all caught it. One guy had diabetes, another was in a wheelchair. The others were all over 60 and one of them was 79.

Worst anybody had was a cough by the time I left (which was about 2 or 3 weeks after we caught it). It certainly is a random disease. I've heard of other folk I used to work with being wiped out for a few weeks and they are young and fit.

I had the Pfizer jab. Made me feel worse than the actual disease but was limited to a stiff shoulder for a day.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Sat 13 Mar 11:04

Just to clarify, the 60/64 age group letters glitch is in NHS Lothian. Us Kingdom of Fifers not affected.

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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sat 13 Mar 11:24

Quote:

P, Sat 13 Mar 09:29

Italian restrictions tightening after another spike in infections - that’s what vaccine scepticism brings you. Least we still have a path to get out lockdown....thanks to vaccine uptake

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56382608


I was looking at statistics around the mortality rate and was shocked at the rate in Italy being 7.7%, that's a huge number of those who get it actually dying. There is a big variation from country to country. Germany lowest with 0.2%. Still higher than seasonal flu though which has a rate of around 0.1%
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar  
Date:   Sat 13 Mar 11:27

That will be dependent on how good their testing is won't it? I know that Germany are all over it but not sure about Italy.

Obviously ours in the early days was pants.
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Topic Originator: moviescot  
Date:   Sat 13 Mar 12:26

Quote:

Rastapari, Sat 13 Mar 07:43

Quote:

moviescot, Fri 12 Mar 15:24

Fit and healthy is not a defence against getting covid. There are 3 people in my family. My daughter (13 yrs) got covid. Not too bad thankfully but 2 months later still has no sense of smell and therefore taste. By far the fittest family member who was dancing and a competition trampolinist.

My wife then got it as well. She was a bit worse with a really bad cough and no taste. Taste is more or less back but not quite. Bit of a gym bunny and good level of fitness.

Then there is me. Very much the unhealthiest person in the house with several health issues. Strangely, never caught it.


I didn't say it was a defence against it, I said you are more likely to survive, which is true.
Again, wilfully misquoted by you.


Funnily enough this wasn't even aimed at you. But don't let that get in the way of your hubris. This was merely me giving everyone my experience of covid. But go ahead make it about you.
I never quoted your post so why do you think it was aimed at you. You're really not that important.
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie  
Date:   Sat 13 Mar 12:28

Loving the news reports today regarding blood clots......eek!

Guess who has their jag in a fortnight, ironically enough for historical issues with clots and a pulmonary embolism nine years ago as a 'fit & healthy' 27 year old.

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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Sat 13 Mar 14:11

With tens of millions of people getting vaccinated there are going to be people who have had it getting blood clots, getting run over by buses, probably even people who had it getting foreign objects stuck up their jacksy. Doesn’t make the vaccine the cause.


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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sat 13 Mar 14:26

Quote:

TAFKA_Super_Petrie, Sat 13 Mar 12:28

Loving the news reports today regarding blood clots......eek!

Guess who has their jag in a fortnight, ironically enough for historical issues with clots and a pulmonary embolism nine years ago as a 'fit & healthy' 27 year old.


30 cases across the whole of Europe. Early indication suggests it is on par with the numbers who would get blood clots normally. Of course it must be thoroughly investigated to be sure.
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle  
Date:   Sat 13 Mar 15:11

"probably even people who had it getting foreign objects stuck up their jacksy"

Thats my excuse, and I'm sticking to it! Blimmin' vaccine :)

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sat 13 Mar 21:38

Quote:

P, Sat 13 Mar 09:29

Italian restrictions tightening after another spike in infections - that’s what vaccine scepticism brings you. Least we still have a path to get out lockdown....thanks to vaccine uptake

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56382608


That and thousands of people completely ignoring distancing rules..... ☹



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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Mon 15 Mar 12:45

Quote:

GG Riva, Sat 13 Mar 21:38

Quote:

P, Sat 13 Mar 09:29

Italian restrictions tightening after another spike in infections - that’s what vaccine scepticism brings you. Least we still have a path to get out lockdown....thanks to vaccine uptake

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56382608


That and thousands of people completely ignoring distancing rules..... ☹


Matt Hancock not exactly helping either, recorded in The Telegraph saying that despite being vaccinated that older prople/grandparents could become "super spreaders", what's that all about, somewhat contradictory advice, no?

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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Mon 15 Mar 18:06

Not really - as has been explained repeatedly


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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Mon 15 Mar 20:41

Quote:

P, Mon 15 Mar 18:06

Not really - as has been explained repeatedly


Hey, he said it not I, yeah?

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Mon 15 Mar 23:54

Quote:

Rastapari, Mon 15 Mar 20:41

Quote:

P, Mon 15 Mar 18:06

Not really - as has been explained repeatedly


Hey, he said it not I, yeah?


When did he say that? I can only find 2 month old reports?

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 16 Mar 07:46

Worth noting too, it isn't you tuber's or conspiracy theorists that have paused the Astrazenica vaccine in these European countries it's doctors and scientists.
It's interesting to ser people treat every death from covid as utterly tragic then casually talk away deaths potentially from the vaccine as "to be expected".

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Topic Originator: davepars  
Date:   Tue 16 Mar 07:54

So pause the Oxford AZ vaccine because of 40 cases of blood clotting in 17 million people?
This is not an increase in clotting numbers across the vaccinated population compared to the non vaccinated.
Also take into account covid is a vascular illness which can cause clotting!
In my view, the vaccination has become a political tool and its disgraceful.

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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Tue 16 Mar 08:06

I assume those claiming to be scared by blood clots caused by the vaccine will never set foot on a plane every again where there is much greater danger of occurrence?

The danger from Covid is tiny no need for vaccine / less than 40 blood clots in 17million doses* - vaCCinE iS NoT sAFe 🙄

* data that suggests it actually reduces your chances of a blood clot




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Topic Originator: CAPar  
Date:   Tue 16 Mar 08:14

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Rastapari, Tue 16 Mar 07:46

Worth noting too, it isn't you tuber's or conspiracy theorists that have paused the Astrazenica vaccine in these European countries it's doctors and scientists.
It's interesting to ser people treat every death from covid as utterly tragic then casually talk away deaths potentially from the vaccine as "to be expected".


It's not doctors and scientists, it's politicians. The European Medicines Agency has so far said there's no direct proven link between the two and the benefits of the vaccine far outweigh the risks of stopping the programme.

Also something that's being reported is that the Pfizer vaccine is 'linked' with proportionately more clotting incidents than the AZ one but it's not been paused. Seems political to me.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 16 Mar 08:27

The smaller European nations caved in to the shrill claims on social media which spread fear and doubt in the population, producing a "domino effect" among the major nations. Those who were hesitant, are now more likely to refuse the vaccine and more lives will be lost as a result.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56360646



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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 16 Mar 09:35

So, everyone is wrong and good old blighty is right again....you lot live in a bubble.
To be fair the totally non corrupt ir shamanic way we've dealt with this pandemic would point to our all encompassing superiority.
Dominic Raab insisting the Astrazenica jab is safe, phew, can rest easy now.

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Topic Originator: CAPar  
Date:   Tue 16 Mar 09:41

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Rastapari, Tue 16 Mar 09:35

So, everyone is wrong and good old blighty is right again....you lot live in a bubble.
To be fair the totally non corrupt ir shamanic way we've dealt with this pandemic would point to our all encompassing superiority.



I certainly didn't say that 'Blighty' was right, I clearly said the EMA has backed the continuation of using the AZ vaccine and it's European politicians who appear to have paused the use of it.

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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Tue 16 Mar 10:13

Contraceptive pill has been known to cause blood clots but is still widely used!🤔🤔🤔
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 16 Mar 11:06

Quote:

Rastapari, Tue 16 Mar 09:35

So, everyone is wrong and good old blighty is right again....you lot live in a bubble.
To be fair the totally non corrupt ir shamanic way we've dealt with this pandemic would point to our all encompassing superiority.
Dominic Raab insisting the Astrazenica jab is safe, phew, can rest easy now.


You really need to try and actually read what people are posting.

It's obvious this is political. The rest of Europe have been miles behind in their vaccination programmes since day one and will use big bad GBs vaccine as a means to justify it.

Pfizer vaccine has higher instances of clotting but no plans to pause that?

Bizarre but not unexpected. Pity its EU citizens who will suffer and more deaths will occur that could have been avoided.

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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis  
Date:   Tue 16 Mar 13:33

WHO is wrong also.

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Topic Originator: wulliepar57  
Date:   Tue 16 Mar 18:35

Had mine last Saturday , no reactions at all
I have done a wee bit of research on the Astra Zeneca vaccine
over 17 million done world wide with 37 people having the blood clots on 3 of these the Indian medical authority admitted that the 3 had underlying problems a lot of things are down to us being ahead of the EU in rolling it out and as da_no_1 says Pfizer has given more people blood clots and plenty have died from this Vaccine but we do not hear about this , EU just putting the boot in to UK
which is a shame for the citizens of the EU as it is them that will suffer

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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Tue 16 Mar 19:21

““Italy has admitted its suspension of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine was a ‘political’ move, amid fury at several EU nations who have halted the jabs over unproven fears of blood clots. 

The revelation comes as the EU’s medicines regulator confirmed there is ‘no indication’ that the AstraZeneca vaccine is the cause of reported blood clots.

Nicola Magrini, the head of Italian medicines regulator AIFA, said politicians came under pressure to follow Germany and France in calling off the jabs.

‘We got to the point of a suspension because several European countries, including Germany and France, preferred to interrupt vaccinations… to put them on hold in order to carry out checks,’ Magrini said in an interview with La Repubblica. ‘The choice is a political one.’”


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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 16 Mar 19:35

Europe playing silly beggars. Mile behind in terms of vaccinations and muck spreading to cover themselves.

More chance getting a blood clot watching the Pars than getting the vaccine!
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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Tue 16 Mar 21:10

Can't really trust the UK Government though, they have fudged the figures on the numbers who have died from Covid, can we rely on them to accurately report any issues caused by the vaccine?
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 16 Mar 21:26

Don't know about the UK Government but vaccinations in Scotland aren't monitored by the Scottish Government so they'd have a tough job telling fibs.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 17 Mar 06:35

Quote:

jake89, Tue 16 Mar 19:35

Europe playing silly beggars. Mile behind in terms of vaccinations and muck spreading to cover themselves.

More chance getting a blood clot watching the Pars than getting the vaccine!


I think it's more to do with restoring public confidence than playing political games, Jake. Is it a coincidence that so many people in a string of European countries were refusing the vaccine because of the (mis)information circulating on social media, the press and TV?

Fear of the vaccine was spreading faster than the virus. Italy has said it can make up for any ground lost this week within a fortnight. You may not agree with the pause, but if it ultimately reduces the number of vaccine refusers, it will have been a good call.



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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Wed 17 Mar 09:45

Is the pause not more likely to increase the doubt in the potential refusers minds?


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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Sat 20 Mar 13:08

Got my blue envelope today. East End Park here I come 😊

Should I take cakes? 😂

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Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Sat 20 Mar 14:05

If the Scottish govt aren’t monitoring the vaccination programme what are they blethering about on the telly every lunchtime?

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sat 20 Mar 14:16

Quote:

P, Wed 17 Mar 09:45

Is the pause not more likely to increase the doubt in the potential refusers minds?


Who knows? One way of looking at it is that the EMA have examined all the evidence and found that the Astra-Zenica does not increase the likelihood of blood clots, but only this morning Denmark has reported 2 cases among hospital workers - 1 fatal - within 2 weeks of receiving the vaccine.

That will scare the proverbial **** out of anyone who was already concerned.



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Topic Originator: Par  
Date:   Sun 21 Mar 15:27

Had my Astra-Zenica, no problems feeling great!

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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sun 21 Mar 16:05

In a completely unscientific straw poll of people I know that have been vaccinated- my mum, dad and girlfriend all had the Pfizer vaccine and felt OK bar a few sore arms whereas me, my uncle and aunt all had the AZ one and have all felt pretty ropey. I had mine on Thursday and still don't feel great today although it's been nothing too serious.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 21 Mar 16:11

Could that be the placebo effect in reverse kicking in though? You are almost expecting to feel unwell so that`s how you end up feeling?

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Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sun 21 Mar 16:17

No chance mate I didn't expect to feel ill at all to be honest. I've had the body aches that you expect with a cold and have been feeling pretty drained which is one of the side effects they said might happen but I thought I would be fine. Feel way better than I did Friday but sill a bit groggy.

Haven't had a chance to speak to my uncle yet but my mum said he'd had something pretty similar that lasted quite a while.

Nothing too major just feel knackered and a bit sore.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 21 Mar 16:30

Blaming a massive hangover on the AZ vaccine huh? I like your style lpf 😉😂

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Unlike the rest of you squares.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Sun 21 Mar 16:33

Felt that ropey I haven't had beer for three days! That's how serious it is 😂
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 22 Mar 06:53

Quote:

londonparsfan, Sun 21 Mar 16:05

In a completely unscientific straw poll of people I know that have been vaccinated- my mum, dad and girlfriend all had the Pfizer vaccine and felt OK bar a few sore arms whereas me, my uncle and aunt all had the AZ one and have all felt pretty ropey. I had mine on Thursday and still don't feel great today although it's been nothing too serious.


I can add to those stats, lpf. Two neighbours and I got the Pfizer. No adverse reactions at all - I even went for a 45 min run next morning. Mrs Riva got the Astra-Zenica on Wed and has had a variety of flu like symptoms. She was still out of sorts yesterday, but on the mend.

I told her that at least she can be certain her vaccine is working. The symptoms demonstrate that her body is producing antibodies to fight the perceived infection. Those of us who got the Pfizer can only cross our fingers and hope.....🙁



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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Mon 22 Mar 09:04

Hopefully the latest data will give some comfort for those feeling unwell for a period afterwards

https://apple.news/AiZEU38P7Tq-0FoF5OefrGg


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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: JnrB  
Date:   Mon 22 Mar 14:54

My wife got her AZ on Saturday, she was a bit tired and achy yesterday but is fine today.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Mon 22 Mar 18:17

Just got mine. Didnae even feel it go in. Bit early for side effects but ive taken tomorrow off just incase.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: DBP  
Date:   Mon 22 Mar 18:23

Well I turned 50 yesterday and already received my vaccine appointment for Sunday... didn’t expect it that soon TBH

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 23 Mar 07:26

The Torygraph reporting that holidays abroad are being made illegall and a 5000 quid fine for anyone trying to "flee" britain.
Again not exactly incentive to rush out and take the risk.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Tue 23 Mar 08:07

Not sure if the Telegraph is being a bit misleading. My understanding is that fines apply to non-Green locations, of which there will be very few in July. This is because of the slow uptake in mainland Europe and beyond.

The irony here is that it's what the SNP Government effectively already imposed.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: AJ27  
Date:   Tue 23 Mar 08:42

I got the AZ on Sunday - completely wiped out yesterday but feel much better this morning.

Andy J
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Tue 23 Mar 10:11

Quote:

Rastapari, Tue 23 Mar 07:26

The Torygraph reporting that holidays abroad are being made illegall and a 5000 quid fine for anyone trying to "flee" britain.
Again not exactly incentive to rush out and take the risk.


Considering high take up rates what makes you think an incentive is required? Or are you just running out of negative headlines to grasp at.

Fine levels set for doing something that is already illegal isn’t really all that excitingly is it.


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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Tue 23 Mar 11:24

Unless you have a second home abroad and you need to go over to maintain, prepare for rent or sale!

Wonder who that covers?🤔😡😡😡
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 23 Mar 11:33

Quote:

PARrot, Mon 22 Mar 18:17

Just got mine. Didnae even feel it go in. Bit early for side effects but ive taken tomorrow off just incase.


Behold, a feathered wimp..... 🙁



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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: parsmad68  
Date:   Tue 23 Mar 11:48

Sod’s law. Had booked a week and a half off from next Wednesday. Get my jag on Tuesday evening. Now if I am not feeling the best then it is in my own time. Bummer.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 23 Mar 13:09

Quote:

P, Tue 23 Mar 10:11

Quote:

Rastapari, Tue 23 Mar 07:26

The Torygraph reporting that holidays abroad are being made illegall and a 5000 quid fine for anyone trying to "flee" britain.
Again not exactly incentive to rush out and take the risk.


Considering high take up rates what makes you think an incentive is required? Or are you just running out of negative headlines to grasp at.

Fine levels set for doing something that is already illegal isn’t really all that excitingly is it.


How sad, you've been had but feel the need to project that on me....
Take the vaccine, get on holiday they said....you've been tucked up, at least own it.
Two weeks to flatten the curve and yet some of still can't see the carrot or the stick, but yeah keep batting it my way eh, sad and hilarious.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 23 Mar 13:10

Quote:

LochgellyAlbert, Tue 23 Mar 11:24

Unless you have a second home abroad and you need to go over to maintain, prepare for rent or sale!

Wonder who that covers?🤔😡😡😡


Oh you seeing it now, the wealthy are gonna be just fine.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: PARrot  
Date:   Tue 23 Mar 15:37

Quote:

GG Riva, Tue 23 Mar 11:33

Quote:

PARrot, Mon 22 Mar 18:17

Just got mine. Didnae even feel it go in. Bit early for side effects but ive taken tomorrow off just incase.


Behold, a feathered wimp..... 🙁


Lol. Didntwant to call in sick t late notice. Anyhoo, nothing to report. Didn't feel it going in and wouldn't know I'd had it. Getting the garden done enjoying a day off.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 23 Mar 18:22

Quote:

PARrot, Tue 23 Mar 15:37

Quote:

GG Riva, Tue 23 Mar 11:33

Quote:

PARrot, Mon 22 Mar 18:17

Just got mine. Didnae even feel it go in. Bit early for side effects but ive taken tomorrow off just incase.


Behold, a feathered wimp..... 🙁


Lol. Didntwant to call in sick t late notice. Anyhoo, nothing to report. Didn't feel it going in and wouldn't know I'd had it. Getting the garden done enjoying a day off.


A feathered wimp and a skiver to boot. ☹



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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 24 Mar 11:35

27 million spent on a "nightingale" hospital that treated no patients in Harrogate.
Helped spread the fear though, made someone a lot of money.
They are still being built and not used, another ten planned, so you think the jab is going to change anything, well, not so far, mind, no booking holidays.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: EastEndBoy  
Date:   Wed 24 Mar 11:39

Quote:

Rastapari, Wed 24 Mar 11:35

27 million spent on a "nightingale" hospital that treated no patients in Harrogate.
Helped spread the fear though, made someone a lot of money.
They are still being built and not used, another ten planned, so you think the jab is going to change anything, well, not so far, mind, no booking holidays.


Rest assured they are/were getting used. My dad caught covid at the nightingale hospital in Exeter in February after being drafted in by the MOD to assist the doctors and nurses. The place was rammed.

...ken?
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Wed 24 Mar 11:48

Quote:

Rastapari, Wed 24 Mar 11:35

27 million spent on a "nightingale" hospital that treated no patients in Harrogate.
Helped spread the fear though, made someone a lot of money.
They are still being built and not used, another ten planned, so you think the jab is going to change anything, well, not so far, mind, no booking holidays.


It did treat patients it just didn't treat any Covid patients.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 24 Mar 12:59

Quote:

EastEndBoy, Wed 24 Mar 11:39

Quote:

Rastapari, Wed 24 Mar 11:35

27 million spent on a "nightingale" hospital that treated no patients in Harrogate.
Helped spread the fear though, made someone a lot of money.
They are still being built and not used, another ten planned, so you think the jab is going to change anything, well, not so far, mind, no booking holidays.


Rest assured they are/were getting used. My dad caught covid at the nightingale hospital in Exeter in February after being drafted in by the MOD to assist the doctors and nurses. The place was rammed.


BBC news states, without a single patient.
So no, it wasn't.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Wed 24 Mar 13:10

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-56507827

If we're talking about the same hospital it looks like it was used just not for covid patients.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 24 Mar 13:57

Quote:

londonparsfan, Wed 24 Mar 13:10

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-56507827

If we're talking about the same hospital it looks like it was used just not for covid patients.


Still raises the question of their overall purpose, we were told to expect them full of covid that did not transpire.
In other news the last year only ranks 35th in terms of hospital death rates...
Ah not to worry, away and book a nice holiday.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: londonparsfan  
Date:   Wed 24 Mar 14:24

Some were and some weren't it just depends on location. I also don't know if they chose to put covid patients in the existing hospitals in Yorkshire and then put outpatients and other diagnostic work in that one for a specific reason. It may well have been the optimal solution at the time.

In an ideal situation we would have a fully funded and proper functioning health care system with a proper pandemic plan in place that could flex to handle situations like this but in the absence of that I would rather have built the emergency hospitals that weren't need in some locations than not had the requisite amount of care coverage needed.

In relation to the 35th worst number of deaths I'm not sure what thats a comparison of but our excess deaths are significantly above anything we've dealt with recently and that includes figures for deaths in a large number of other areas that are significantly down.

Road traffic deaths are down, suicide rates are down, accidental deaths are down, flu deaths have almost been eradicated which accounts for tens of thousands of deaths a year.

You have to drill down into the reasons of deaths to understand if you have an issue or not. If nobody had died from anything bar cancer in the last year and it the total number of deaths were 10% less than the average it wouldn't be the case the case that you didn't have a cancer issue just because the total numbers were lower than usual. You'd actually have a pretty major cancer issue.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Sun 28 Mar 16:35

Injection easypeasy

An hour on and I’ve left hand side paralysis (I encounter this with my migraines) and a headache is slowly coming on. All discussed with my GP previously, and anticipated.

Please don’t let my after effects put you off - they’ll go away - everyone is different after injections.



Lovely to have been back in EEP albeit briefly. Let’s hope we are all back there in better times, soon.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 28 Mar 19:08

Hospital staff in Italy, who refuse the vaccine, are to be suspended to protect vulnerable patients in their care.

I'm don't know if I agree with that or not. I don't agree with making vaccination compulsory, but I do agree patients need to be protected.



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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sun 28 Mar 19:48

Neither are mutually exclusive, however.




It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Mon 29 Mar 10:33

What would your position be if you had a vulnerable relative being treated by someone who refused the vaccine? Not meaning that as a confrontational question just a way of applying a different lens to it.

Decisions on stuff like this will need to be made and the risks assessed. Plus what may be a suitable course of action now may not be the right one in the future.


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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 29 Mar 10:53

Quote:

P, Mon 29 Mar 10:33

What would your position be if you had a vulnerable relative being treated by someone who refused the vaccine? Not meaning that as a confrontational question just a way of applying a different lens to it.

Decisions on stuff like this will need to be made and the risks assessed. Plus what may be a suitable course of action now may not be the right one in the future.


Don't get me wrong, P - I think all hospital staff should voluntarily come forward for the vaccine, even if they have private reservations about its safety. Their vocation is about nourishing sick people back to health, not potentially adding to their health problems.

I have read on the BBC website that 24% of doctors in London hospitals have refused the vaccine, but no sanctions have been mooted as yet. Is that because "we value our freedom more in this country" as the PM declared, by way of justification when thousands of people in England ignored lockdown restrictions and flocked to the beaches last year?



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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 30 Mar 10:55

Now Hancock saying you need a third dose, come on, when a salesman says you need more more more you gave to be wondering.

Probably not though...

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 30 Mar 10:57

Quote:

GG Riva, Mon 29 Mar 10:53

Quote:

P, Mon 29 Mar 10:33

What would your position be if you had a vulnerable relative being treated by someone who refused the vaccine? Not meaning that as a confrontational question just a way of applying a different lens to it.

Decisions on stuff like this will need to be made and the risks assessed. Plus what may be a suitable course of action now may not be the right one in the future.


Don't get me wrong, P - I think all hospital staff should voluntarily come forward for the vaccine, even if they have private reservations about its safety. Their vocation is about nourishing sick people back to health, not potentially adding to their health problems.

I have read on the BBC website that 24% of doctors in London hospitals have refused the vaccine, but no sanctions have been mooted as yet. Is that because "we value our freedom more in this country" as the PM declared, by way of justification when thousands of people in England ignored lockdown restrictions and flocked to the beaches last year?


Because GG if we start making theses things mandatory what does it stop at?
This is utter madness, will we just head straight to yellow stars on jackets aye?
Because that is what you sound like.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 30 Mar 12:41

Quote:

Rastapari, Tue 30 Mar 10:57

Because GG if we start making theses things mandatory what does it stop at?
This is utter madness, will we just head straight to yellow stars on jackets aye?
Because that is what you sound like.


I hear what you're saying, Rasta, because I'm not altogether comfortable about denying folk personal freedom of choice, but if we go down your route, it's a bit like the Jehovah's witnesses who are prepared to let their loved ones die, rather than receive a lifesaving blood transfusion.



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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 30 Mar 12:56

Quote:

GG Riva, Tue 30 Mar 12:41

Quote:

Rastapari, Tue 30 Mar 10:57

Because GG if we start making theses things mandatory what does it stop at?
This is utter madness, will we just head straight to yellow stars on jackets aye?
Because that is what you sound like.


I hear what you're saying, Rasta, because I'm not altogether comfortable about denying folk personal freedom of choice, but if we go down your route, it's a bit like the Jehovah's witnesses who are prepared to let their loved ones die, rather than receive a lifesaving blood transfusion.


So say the vaccine was a condom, doesn't stop sti's and your girl can still get pregnant, an allergic reaction to the condom can cause you to lose your genitalia.
You pulling it on every other night?
Pfizer have been criminally charged how many times but we've just to roll over for Hancock , Whitty and other shareholders?

Your example doesn't even come close to the Nazi rhetoric you're pushing, but disappointed if I'm honest.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Tue 30 Mar 13:09

Quote:

Rastapari, Tue 30 Mar 10:55

Now Hancock saying you need a third dose, come on, when a salesman says you need more more more you gave to be wondering.

Probably not though...


Misrepresentation of the truth again.

A "third dose" would only be required for people travelling to places like Brazil and South Africa where new variants are extremely high in circulation.

It would only be required if current vaccines are shown to be ineffective against the new variants which so far does not appear to be the case.

It would need to be a vaccine specifically aimed at combating these new variants, so would be a different vaccine so not a third dose at all but a first dose of a vaccine to combat a variant.

You choose not to disclose all these points to try and discredit the vaccination process. There are a multitude of things Matt Hancock can be criticised for, this isn't one of them.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 30 Mar 13:33

Quote:

sadindiefreak, Tue 30 Mar 13:09

Quote:

Rastapari, Tue 30 Mar 10:55

Now Hancock saying you need a third dose, come on, when a salesman says you need more more more you gave to be wondering.

Probably not though...


Misrepresentation of the truth again.

A "third dose" would only be required for people travelling to places like Brazil and South Africa where new variants are extremely high in circulation.

It would only be required if current vaccines are shown to be ineffective against the new variants which so far does not appear to be the case.

It would need to be a vaccine specifically aimed at combating these new variants, so would be a different vaccine so not a third dose at all but a first dose of a vaccine to combat a variant.

You choose not to disclose all these points to try and discredit the vaccination process. There are a multitude of things Matt Hancock can be criticised for, this isn't one of them.


Did you watch him?
He certainly wasn't talking about Brazil or any other place, he was talking about the mythical 3rd wave coming here, abroad wasn't mentioned.

I didn't omit anything, he was straightforward about it, even the presenter was looking at him wtf.
You would think the sheer volume of criminal charges against Pfizer would be far more effective at discrediting...yet here we are.
Wanting folks separated and line up like they did the Jews.
And you think we're getting our lives back eh?
I could easily accuse you of omitting far more.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Tue 30 Mar 15:01

Quote:

Rastapari, Tue 30 Mar 13:33

Quote:

sadindiefreak, Tue 30 Mar 13:09

Quote:

Rastapari, Tue 30 Mar 10:55

Now Hancock saying you need a third dose, come on, when a salesman says you need more more more you gave to be wondering.

Probably not though...


Misrepresentation of the truth again.

A "third dose" would only be required for people travelling to places like Brazil and South Africa where new variants are extremely high in circulation.

It would only be required if current vaccines are shown to be ineffective against the new variants which so far does not appear to be the case.

It would need to be a vaccine specifically aimed at combating these new variants, so would be a different vaccine so not a third dose at all but a first dose of a vaccine to combat a variant.

You choose not to disclose all these points to try and discredit the vaccination process. There are a multitude of things Matt Hancock can be criticised for, this isn't one of them.


Did you watch him?
He certainly wasn't talking about Brazil or any other place, he was talking about the mythical 3rd wave coming here, abroad wasn't mentioned.

I didn't omit anything, he was straightforward about it, even the presenter was looking at him wtf.
You would think the sheer volume of criminal charges against Pfizer would be far more effective at discrediting...yet here we are.
Wanting folks separated and line up like they did the Jews.
And you think we're getting our lives back eh?
I could easily accuse you of omitting far more.


Yes I watched it. They were specifically talking about people going on holiday.
Reports about what was said are specifically mentioning Brazil and South Africa although he doesn't limit it to those places.
You are making out everyone will need to get a third jab, you are being dishonest.

The interview is here in this article which mentions Brazil and South Africa, you are definitely misrepresenting it. I suggest you didn't watch the interview.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/03/29/third-dose-of-covid-vaccine-may-be-needed-to-go-on-holiday-abroad-14323287/
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 30 Mar 15:24

Quote:

Rastapari, Tue 30 Mar 12:56

So say the vaccine was a condom, doesn't stop sti's and your girl can still get pregnant, an allergic reaction to the condom can cause you to lose your genitalia.
You pulling it on every other night?
Pfizer have been criminally charged how many times but we've just to roll over for Hancock , Whitty and other shareholders?

Your example doesn't even come close to the Nazi rhetoric you're pushing, but disappointed if I'm honest.


I'm pushing Nazi rhetoric? After stating that I'm not comfortable about denying folk their personal freedom of choice?

Wow! If I was more sensitive, I might take offence at that nonsensical allegation. You'll be aware that compulsory vaccines are nothing new. Visiting certain countries requires you to be vaccinated against malaria, yellow fever etc. Of course folk can choose not to go but that's not much of a choice if you want/need to go.



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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Tue 30 Mar 20:07

You are actually comparing getting a vaccine to the Holocaust? You really ought to have a word with yourself.


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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 31 Mar 12:20

Quote:

GG Riva, Tue 30 Mar 15:24

Quote:

Rastapari, Tue 30 Mar 12:56

So say the vaccine was a condom, doesn't stop sti's and your girl can still get pregnant, an allergic reaction to the condom can cause you to lose your genitalia.
You pulling it on every other night?
Pfizer have been criminally charged how many times but we've just to roll over for Hancock , Whitty and other shareholders?

Your example doesn't even come close to the Nazi rhetoric you're pushing, but disappointed if I'm honest.


I'm pushing Nazi rhetoric? After stating that I'm not comfortable about denying folk their personal freedom of choice?

Wow! If I was more sensitive, I might take offence at that nonsensical allegation. You'll be aware that compulsory vaccines are nothing new. Visiting certain countries requires you to be vaccinated against malaria, yellow fever etc. Of course folk can choose not to go but that's not much of a choice if you want/need to go.


Yeah but making a vaccine mandatory, from a company with more criminal convictions than your local drug dealers combined is something else again, also when that company's own literature says it is in trial phase until 2023, people should have the right to sit out the guinea pig bit....no?
My dad is 83 and cannot wear a mask because of breathing issues but because of the cult like covid rhetoric.....and it is cult like...he gets dog's abuse and further damages his own health by trying to struggle on with a mask.

If you think that is right, I reiterate, I'm disappointed in you and stand by my descriptive.

Please feel free to describe Pfizer criminal convictions and how they make you feel utter comfortable with their behaviour?
Justify the abuse i get as a sceptic with a glowing recommendation if rhe big players, yeah?
You won't of course.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 31 Mar 12:32

My suggestion would be to follow official statements from PHS rather than "could", "may" type stories written in the Metro (the Daily Mail).
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 1 Apr 08:32

Quote:

jake89, Wed 31 Mar 12:32

My suggestion would be to follow official statements from PHS rather than "could", "may" type stories written in the Metro (the Daily Mail).


There's not any "could" or "may" about Pfizer criminality, if they were a human they wouldn't see the light if day again....but now all of a sudden saviours of the world.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 1 Apr 10:51

I was referring to the need for a third dose rather than the post about Pfizer.

Zero evidence on this, but I find it suspicious that the vaccine being given the most scrutiny and negative media attention is the one being provided at cost.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 1 Apr 13:26

Quote:

jake89, Thu 1 Apr 10:51

I was referring to the need for a third dose rather than the post about Pfizer.

Zero evidence on this, but I find it suspicious that the vaccine being given the most scrutiny and negative media attention is the one being provided at cost.


My stand point is simple, look at the crimes Pfizer have been charged with, more coming too.
That and blood clot issue with AZ just isn't going away either.
Mad when you're dubbed mad for not fawning over a corporate entity with more criminal convictions than the local dealers put together.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 1 Apr 13:54

Dr Fauci's new "test avoiding variant", so now you've to walk around as if you're ill, negative test, nope you still got it.....there's just no way of knowing...this is just getting stupid now.
Mugs.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Thu 1 Apr 16:13

Quote:

Rastapari, Thu 1 Apr 13:54

Dr Fauci's new "test avoiding variant", so now you've to walk around as if you're ill, negative test, nope you still got it.....there's just no way of knowing...this is just getting stupid now.
Mugs.


You're way behind the curve on this one.
This has been known about since early January.
Tests that rely on detection of multiple regions of the gnome are pretty much unaffected by new variants and are still able to detect them. With very low levels of false negatives.

The issue is with tests that only detect one region of the gnome. Since variants may be different in the region it would produce a false negative.

The tests that are giving false negatives of the variants are these three tests Mesa Biotech's Accula SARS-CoV-2 Test, Thermo Fisher Scientific TaqPath COVID-19 Combo Kit and Applied DNA Sciences' Linea COVID-19 Assay Kit. 

I would suggest that these tests will no longer be getting used since they are now unreliable. If they are still being used then that is an issue.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh  
Date:   Thu 1 Apr 16:20

These are all valid points, but I think you need to deal with your autocorrect and its gnome obsession.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Thu 1 Apr 16:36

Quote:

aaaaaaaaaargh, Thu 1 Apr 16:20

These are all valid points, but I think you need to deal with your autocorrect and its gnome obsession.


🤣🤣🤣, I'm just going to leave that cause it's funny. And I'm too lazy to edit it.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: ipswichpar  
Date:   Thu 1 Apr 18:12

Getting my second Pfizer jab next week. Can't wait.
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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Thu 1 Apr 18:39

No more lockdowns says Chris Whitty
* not an April fools

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/01/no-lockdowns-britain-will-treat-coronavirus-like-flu-says/


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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Thu 1 Apr 19:59

Still a while off before we’re eligible for the vaccine and wife and I are contemplating whether we take it when the opportunity comes.

With countries literally suspending the vaccine over fears of blood clots leads me to believe that there is still very much an unknown about the affects of taking this vaccine and with us very much in the less vulnerable category, questioning whether it’s the right thing for us.

I’m not in agreement with making the vaccine mandatory to take, everyone is entitled to make their own decision in my view and for some the best course of action is to take it but for those that turn it down, don’t think they should be penalised for it.

I really need to sit down and study all this prior to just arriving at the docs for a jab. Admittedly I’ve not been as informed on this as i should really have gotten myself to.

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Topic Originator: aaaaaaaaaargh  
Date:   Thu 1 Apr 21:55

I think your hesitation is completely understandable.

I haven`t decided if I will get it or not. If I had elderly relatives that I visit a lot then I might consider having it to reduce the risk of infecting them, but I suppose they would already be vaccinated so the risk would already be massively reduced.

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 2 Apr 15:46

Quote:

Berry, Thu 1 Apr 19:59

Still a while off before we’re eligible for the vaccine and wife and I are contemplating whether we take it when the opportunity comes.

With countries literally suspending the vaccine over fears of blood clots leads me to believe that there is still very much an unknown about the affects of taking this vaccine and with us very much in the less vulnerable category, questioning whether it’s the right thing for us.

I’m not in agreement with making the vaccine mandatory to take, everyone is entitled to make their own decision in my view and for some the best course of action is to take it but for those that turn it down, don’t think they should be penalised for it.

I really need to sit down and study all this prior to just arriving at the docs for a jab. Admittedly I’ve not been as informed on this as i should really have gotten myself to.


Berry, you're one of the most thoughtful, sensible and rational posters on Dotnet, so I'm not in the least surprised that you want to weigh up all the pros and cons as they relate to you and your Mrs. I would be completely opposed to making vaccination compulsory for everyone, since individual freedom is just as important as the social responsibility.

I never had any doubts about taking it as I judged that I'd be at far greater risk from the virus than the vaccine. The %age of people becoming seriously ill from the vaccine is tiny compared to those who have had Covid. On top of that, I wouldn't want to catch the virus and unknowingly pass it on to vulnerable friends and relatives. Having said that, I have relatives who will not be getting vaccinated and that is their democratic right. They're reading a lot of stuff on T'internet and MSM and it's not easy to separate genuine information from fake stuff.

Those same relatives are convinced they may well have to be reluctantly vaccinate, very much against their will as they feel they won't be allowed to do anything without proof of vaccination and they like foreign holidays, eating out etc.



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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Sat 3 Apr 14:37

There you go, all sorted Ibiza here I come !🔆🍻🍺

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/04/03/millennials-offered-single-shot-johnson-johnson-covid-vaccine/
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Tue 6 Apr 14:58

What amazes me is that 20K passengers a day are arriving in the UK daily, 8K of them are tourists!

Why does this not get stopped?

Some countries are in the "red zone " and surprisingly it does not include France, a place where further restrictions have been brought in!

It has been suggested that this would stop certain citizens travelling to their second homes in France, surely not!🤔🤥😡😡😡
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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Tue 6 Apr 18:49

I’m coming wi ye LochgellyAlbert - you and me aff to the discos in Ibiza. Get yer passport and pack yer speedos! 💃 👙 🩲

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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Tue 6 Apr 18:55

LOL ^^^^^

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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Tue 6 Apr 21:56

Quote:

buffy, Tue 6 Apr 18:49

I’m coming wi ye LochgellyAlbert - you and me aff to the discos in Ibiza. Get yer passport and pack yer speedos! 💃 👙 🩲


Unfortunately I am booked for Tenerife in September out for a month, celebrating my 70th birthday!

But you're invited, I will clear it with the wife!🤔🤣🤣🤣
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 08:41

Blood clot problems not going away for Astrazenica are they.
No More lockdown, we'll see....we're not in England....and we've had the carrot and stick before.
Oh and now we treat it like flu, that flu that magically disappeared🤣
Some of you swallowed the lot too.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 08:58

Quote:

sadindiefreak, Thu 1 Apr 16:13

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Rastapari, Thu 1 Apr 13:54

Dr Fauci's new "test avoiding variant", so now you've to walk around as if you're ill, negative test, nope you still got it.....there's just no way of knowing...this is just getting stupid now.
Mugs.


You're way behind the curve on this one.
This has been known about since early January.
Tests that rely on detection of multiple regions of the gnome are pretty much unaffected by new variants and are still able to detect them. With very low levels of false negatives.

The issue is with tests that only detect one region of the gnome. Since variants may be different in the region it would produce a false negative.

The tests that are giving false negatives of the variants are these three tests Mesa Biotech's Accula SARS-CoV-2 Test, Thermo Fisher Scientific TaqPath COVID-19 Combo Kit and Applied DNA Sciences' Linea COVID-19 Assay Kit. 

I would suggest that these tests will no longer be getting used since they are now unreliable. If they are still being used then that is an issue.


The tests have never been fit for purpose, this was known early doors.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 09:47

I heard an interesting stat on RS yesterday. Apparently, the chances of a woman on the pill developing blood clots is 1,000 to 1. The number of Astra-Zenica jags administered so far in the UK is approx 18 million. At similar odds to the pill, that would mean blood clots in around 18,000 women.....

The number of reported blood clots of those who have had the Astra-Zenica is 30 and there's no concrete evidence that the vaccine is responsible, although this may be established in time. While this will be no consolation to the families of the 7 people who have died, the number is tiny in relation to the number of doses administered, if indeed the vaccine is responsible. Little more than the chances of winning the national lottery.



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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 10:35

Quote:

GG Riva, Wed 7 Apr 09:47

I heard an interesting stat on RS yesterday. Apparently, the chances of a woman on the pill developing blood clots is 1,000 to 1. The number of Astra-Zenica jags administered so far in the UK is approx 18 million. At similar odds to the pill, that would mean blood clots in around 18,000 women.....

The number of reported blood clots of those who have had the Astra-Zenica is 30 and there's no concrete evidence that the vaccine is responsible, although this may be established in time. While this will be no consolation to the families of the 7 people who have died, the number is tiny in relation to the number of doses administered, if indeed the vaccine is responsible. Little more than the chances of winning the national lottery.


Are you looking at figures outside the UK?
We are getting very little objective news regarding covid...no surprise there though.
Also it's the type of blood clot, rare apparently.
Dress it any way you want, all these vaccines in comparison have been rushed, you are the test subjects.
And I'll repeat, when Pfizer has more criminal convictions (plenty to come out about Astrazenica I feel too, from a source on site) I'll remain sceptical of anything that comes from the doctor bribing fraudulent mouths.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 12:18

What's in it for AZ? They're selling at cost.

As others have said, the risk with AZ in tiny. You're more likely to be knocked down by a 57 plate Vauxhall Astra with silver paint.

My concern would be more about longer term effects than anything initial. Again, very minor concerns, but with ANY new vaccine, there's no guarantee that in 50 years time you don't grow an extra head.

I'd expect those under 50 with no underlying conditions will get the Moderna vaccine anyway. It's being used only at mass centres is my understanding as it needs kept in certain conditions.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 12:21

It's amazing how this vaccine was produced in months and yet there is no vaccine for HIV 40 years on.
This can't have been properly tested, I guess the people that are getting it now are the guinea pigs
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 12:27

Quote:

jake89, Wed 7 Apr 12:18

What's in it for AZ? They're selling at cost.

As others have said, the risk with AZ in tiny. You're more likely to be knocked down by a 57 plate Vauxhall Astra with silver paint.

My concern would be more about longer term effects than anything initial. Again, very minor concerns, but with ANY new vaccine, there's no guarantee that in 50 years time you don't grow an extra head.

I'd expect those under 50 with no underlying conditions will get the Moderna vaccine anyway. It's being used only at mass centres is my understanding as it needs kept in certain conditions.


The risk ftom covid is tiny, so why risk another tiny risk?
Not so tiny that it hasn't caused concern, people have died from it...but hey....to be expected.....people have died from covid...to be expected no?
Why is one a tragedy and the other a statistic?
Like I said you can argue all you want, the speeds those vaccines and the conditions under which they were released for use, you are guinea pigs, there's no sensible argument about that other than desperately trying to legitimise something to appease your ego.
Sciences have been flipped on their head throughout this whole episode and most of you haven't questioned a thing, desperately running to the defence of less than honest corporate entities and politicians, why, they been good to you?
Are they all of a sudden not criminally convicted fraudsters?

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 12:28

Getting out of bed in the morning is a risk. We take risks every day. Of course, we should seek to avoid them so if someone feels they're at greater risk of getting a fatal blood clot than dying from COVID then don't get the vaccine or request a Pfizer or Moderna one.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 12:39

Quote:

jake89, Wed 7 Apr 12:28

Getting out of bed in the morning is a risk. We take risks every day. Of course, we should seek to avoid them so if someone feels they're at greater risk of getting a fatal blood clot than dying from COVID then don't get the vaccine or request a Pfizer or Moderna one.


Yeah, that's pretty much what I've been saying, no?
I'm at no risk from covid but at some risk from the vaccine, no brainer really.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.

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Topic Originator: ipswichpar  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 12:50

Second jab done today. So I've had it in December and 2 jabs since...off down the pub tonight!

The care around understanding the impact of the jab is the right approach. I think that the stats I heard were based on Germany. 2.7m folks have had AZ, 30 folk had problems of which 9 people died. They expected 2 folk to die based on that number of folk with no jab. The number of folk affected by blood clots still seems way lower than the pill. Seems a lot less dangerous than covid.
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Topic Originator: auldpar  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 12:55

'Unfortunately I am booked for Tenerife in September out for a month, celebrating my 70th birthday'.

What date's your birthday Lochgelly Albert? I'll be 70 in September too (21st).
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 13:00

Quote:

ipswichpar, Wed 7 Apr 12:50

Second jab done today. So I've had it in December and 2 jabs since...off down the pub tonight!

The care around understanding the impact of the jab is the right approach. I think that the stats I heard were based on Germany. 2.7m folks have had AZ, 30 folk had problems of which 9 people died. They expected 2 folk to die based on that number of folk with no jab. The number of folk affected by blood clots still seems way lower than the pill. Seems a lot less dangerous than covid.


Perfectly sums up my thoughts on it, Ipswich.

Rasta, I'm not running any kind of campaign to convince people to be vaccinated. It's left to us all to make a personal choice in this country and I hope it remains so, but perhaps it's also just that anyone who feels they cannot take the vaccine is kept away from vulnerable people unless it can be demonstrated that they are not carrying the virus. e.g. hospital and care home staff.



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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 13:14

Quote:

auldpar, Wed 7 Apr 12:55

'Unfortunately I am booked for Tenerife in September out for a month, celebrating my 70th birthday'.

What date's your birthday Lochgelly Albert? I'll be 70 in September too (21st).


Birthday on the 1st October, my wife's on the 26th September, she'll be 67 then!🍾🍾🍾
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Topic Originator: auldpar  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 13:42

Enjoy your break!
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 14:28

Quote:

GG Riva, Wed 7 Apr 13:00

Quote:

ipswichpar, Wed 7 Apr 12:50

Second jab done today. So I've had it in December and 2 jabs since...off down the pub tonight!

The care around understanding the impact of the jab is the right approach. I think that the stats I heard were based on Germany. 2.7m folks have had AZ, 30 folk had problems of which 9 people died. They expected 2 folk to die based on that number of folk with no jab. The number of folk affected by blood clots still seems way lower than the pill. Seems a lot less dangerous than covid.


Perfectly sums up my thoughts on it, Ipswich.

Rasta, I'm not running any kind of campaign to convince people to be vaccinated. It's left to us all to make a personal choice in this country and I hope it remains so, but perhaps it's also just that anyone who feels they cannot take the vaccine is kept away from vulnerable people unless it can be demonstrated that they are not carrying the virus. e.g. hospital and care home staff.


I've advocated the protection of the most vulnerable from day one.
If these big pharmaceuticals hadn't behav ed so reprehensibly previously I wouldn't have these conversations.
Perhaps if I hadn't got the flu on the only two times I took the flu vaccination within days, who knows.
I know this though in terms of death rates the last year isn't that high up the charts, the monetizing and politicising of covid, will in years , be seen for what it was and is, greed and capitalism gone mad.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 14:43

Should be an update on AZ coming
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 14:55

Quote:

jake89, Wed 7 Apr 14:43

Should be an update on AZ coming


And in our country it will be all fine, nothing to see....well my friend who left Astrazenica last year painted a picture the more criminal element of Pfizer would be proud of.

Again I'll take my very high survival chance and sit back a bit.

And mind, it's not just AZ and not just blood clots, across the board we are not far short of being into the hundred thousand mark in adverse reactions, in people that were not threatened by covid.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 15:37

Perfectly right, Rasta. If your perception is the risk is lower NOT getting vaccinated then don't. Any suggestion of limiting access to thing for people not vaccinated will either not come to fruition or will be for a limited period of time.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 15:43

Quote:

jake89, Wed 7 Apr 15:37

Perfectly right, Rasta. If your perception is the risk is lower NOT getting vaccinated then don't. Any suggestion of limiting access to thing for people not vaccinated will either not come to fruition or will be for a limited period of time.


Oh it will come to fruition, The Tories already have mate's companies lined up for a cheque, most likely it won't work properly it not be fit for purpose, but I believe it will happen.
Limited time, sorry, seen no evidence powers will be limited.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: buffy  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 17:16

So ye like us younger wimmin, LA wahey 😂

It’s going to be wan big party with AuldPar there too.

I better pack the Kylie music tapes and some Val Doonican for the oldies

In fact why don’t we aw go to Tenerife with BusPassPar and GG too!



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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 17:43

Fill yer boots Buffy, mind yer buns!😳👀🤗
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 18:34

Everyone is threatened by covid Rasta (and adverse jab reactions). The issue is the understanding of probability and the fact 1 in a million doesn't matter for the individual if someone dies or catches long covid.

I was pretty sure jab was my best defence while knowing that even if I caught it I would very likely be ok.

I was sharing a hospital bay with a 79 year old with diabetes. He caught it and was pretty much fine too. Simply a roll of the dice.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 19:05

In fact why don’t we aw go to Tenerife with BusPassPar and GG too!


Sewing a hole in the elbow oh ma swimming costume as we speak :)

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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 19:37

After some deliberation wife and I will be opting not to take the vaccine when offered to us.

Some (not all) of the points Rasta has made we have similar opinions on. We are in the lower risk bracket (over 30 though), the news recently that they are banning one of the vaccines for under thirties over links with blood clots is concerning, more so when they come out saying the benefits outweigh the risk which may be true but try telling that to folk it’s adversely affected. Advising they will be ‘offered alternatives’. Doesn’t give me much confidence at all to be honest.

We also don’t like the idea of being pushed to take a vaccine in order to go abroad, go to the pub etc, these so called passports, I doubt they will take off as a long term solution but that’s hit a sour note.

I’d like to take an antibody test, i have no idea whether I have had COVID-19 or not so would be good to have some sort of indication and if positive then clearly it’s not had a major impact on me. Has there been any indication on when these will be more accessible?

We are interested in monitoring the developments of the vaccine being worked on in Livingston at the moment and may review the situation at the stage that passes the trials but we are in no rush at all.

Like I say everyone’s situation is different and for many taking the vaccine is 100% the right thing to do. For us though, it’s not.

I just hope folk put some thought into it before just jumping on the bandwagon and taking the jag.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 19:55

Essentially in my own way of course....what Berry said.
Being Essentially forced to take something that not one person on this planet knows the long term effects of doesn't seem right, bad taste etc.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 20:11

It's more risky for women taking the pill.

And this case is more complicated as you can make others ill with this virus.
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Topic Originator: the saline hill puma  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 20:18

Quote:

ipswichpar, Wed 7 Apr 20:11

It's more risky for women taking the pill.

And this case is more complicated as you can make others ill with this virus.


You can still make others ill even if you and they have taken the vaccine....
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 20:23

Quote:

ipswichpar, Wed 7 Apr 20:11

It's more risky for women taking the pill.

And this case is more complicated as you can make others ill with this virus.


The vaccines don't change that.
I just can't get my head round risking an adverse reaction of any sort fir a vaccine that so far is being heralded as changing...not much at all.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 20:25

Quote:

ipswichpar, Wed 7 Apr 20:11

It's more risky for women taking the pill.

And this case is more complicated as you can make others ill with this virus.


In some sort of irony, you're probably as more likely to die in a car crash coming back from your vaccination appointment than you are from receiving it.

But, and a big BUT, that's based on data today. Data in 6 months could suggest a.far higher risk in the long term.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 20:38

Indeed. We don`t know for certain what the true long term effects of covid could be.

We all hate poverty, war, and injustice.
Unlike the rest of you squares.
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Topic Originator: Parfect68  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 20:45

Have some pharma companies behaved abhorrently in the past? Absolutely and some have been charged, punished, fined and regulations around how pharma works, particularly in the UK are much much tighter. Does it make all people who work for pharma, including AZ or Pfizer bad? Of course not.
To say you have NO risk from Covid because you are of a younger age, fit and healthy is categorically untrue. What is true is you are much less at risk from serious complications, in fact the risk from serious complications in under 50s is probably similar to the risk of clotting disorders from the AZ vaccine (based on known info to date) . There is a good table measure on age related covid risks here https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/older-adults.html
Whilst it is absolutely everyone's right to decide what they consider is right for them, there is a growing evidence base that the vaccination does reduce transmission and therefore by being vaccinated you may reduce risk for others. In the non vaccinated obviously the best way to reduce risk to others is to isolate with any symptoms, get tested and self isolate appropriately for the asked for length of time and support nhs scotland test and trace to make contact with your contacts.

Re absence of flu... Of course it's not gone, but due to lockdown and much improved hygiene its transmission has been prevented /reduced significantly.

For whats going on across the world there is some really good info on ft website. https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938 Please note excess deaths tables, which are ALL cause. The uk excess over last 12 months to march was 126k, whilst known Covid deaths was at least 150k at that point so that would suggest that deaths from other causes is down (e.g. Rta, violence, other health conditions), this is not the same for all countries. Of course we won't know true impact and numbers for many years to come including impact on general health, mental health etc in the same way we don't understand the full impact of long covid. People will make choices about how to act, follow guidance and rules or get the vaccine, as is their right. Hopefully in making those choices they also ensure they take steps to mitigate risk to others. It is not helpful debate to constantly berate people for their beliefs but equally, factually incorrect info should be called out for what it is, and all governments should be open to scrutiny, and held to account too. I'm glad I'm not in a position of responsibility having to make decisions and I'd challenge anyone who doesn't take heed of the fact we are learning more all the time and changing response. The latest lockdown is an example of that, with less stringent rules in place to aid those most isolated, allowing support networks, movement outdoors and building increased interaction more slowly.
I wish this was over, but its not. I think we're on the right trajectory and by reducing risk of those getting serious complications or death by vaccination then I support it on the road to a near normal, whatever normal is....

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Topic Originator: Parfect68  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 20:58

Adding a post to highlight one paper on reduced transmission following vaccination https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/newsevents/news/2021/covid-19-vaccine-linked-reduction-transmission#:~:text=Vaccination%20of%20Scotland's%20healthcare%20workers,19%20to%20their%20household%20contacts.

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Topic Originator: ipswichpar  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 21:50

Quote:

Rastapari, Wed 7 Apr 20:23

Quote:

ipswichpar, Wed 7 Apr 20:11

It's more risky for women taking the pill.

And this case is more complicated as you can make others ill with this virus.


The vaccines don't change that.
I just can't get my head round risking an adverse reaction of any sort fir a vaccine that so far is being heralded as changing...not much at all.


Some amazing medical folk saved my life this year. I'm more than happy to trust their colleagues with this.

Does make me wonder if blokes who want take the vaccine will be begging their other hallfs to stop talking the pill.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 7 Apr 22:05

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ipswichpar, Wed 7 Apr 21:50

Quote:

Rastapari, Wed 7 Apr 20:23

Quote:

ipswichpar, Wed 7 Apr 20:11

It's more risky for women taking the pill.

And this case is more complicated as you can make others ill with this virus.


The vaccines don't change that.
I just can't get my head round risking an adverse reaction of any sort fir a vaccine that so far is being heralded as changing...not much at all.


Some amazing medical folk saved my life this year. I'm more than happy to trust their colleagues with this.

Does make me wonder if blokes who want take the vaccine will be begging their other hallfs to stop talking the pill.


I'm happy to read that genuinely...i'm not questioning every medical professional...but as Pfizer has proven, some can be bought.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Parfect68  
Date:   Thu 8 Apr 06:52

The Financial Times link from post above. Working on the app but not showing in my post above on https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938

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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Thu 8 Apr 07:19

So who is ceasing use of contraceptive pill in their household and never flying again owing to fear of blood clotting?

AstraZeneca risk works out at a risk of one in 250,000, or 0.0004% according to MRHA or as high as one in 100,000 according to EMA

But the contraceptive pill is massively more dangerous - in an article in the Lancet journal last year, Margaret McCartney - an NHS GP in Scotland - wrote of how the estimated incidence of a blood clot with the combined oral contraceptive pill is about five per 10,000 women per year.

This works out at a risk of one in 2,000 or 0.05%.

In the US, the National Blood Clot Alliance estimates that one in 1,000 women per year who are taking birth control pills will develop a clot, putting the risk at 0.1%.

Flying;
According to the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence, the annual incidence of deep vein thrombosis (DVT) is estimated to be about one in 1,000 (or 0.1%).

However, it adds that the risk of developing DVT is increased two to threefold after flights of more than four hours.

The risk of travel-related DVT in healthy people works out at:

• One event per 106,667 flights, for flights lasting less than four hours
• One event per 4,656 flights, for flights lasting over four hours
• One event per 1,264 flights, for flights lasting over 16 hours

Or is appetite for risk much greater for a rubber free ride or a holiday?


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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: ipswichpar  
Date:   Thu 8 Apr 07:45

Thanks Rasta....been a tough slog but happy to still be around :)
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Thu 8 Apr 08:57

Happy to hear you are ok, Ipswich

some good factual info from parfect and p, to provide some balance to the conversation.

I`d also like to add that we still don`t know the long term risks of Vaping..




It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 8 Apr 09:33

Whilst I appreciate the effort gone into those posts it still doesn't change the fact the vaccine is a risk I don't have to take, put off the tele and the fear for a bit....see how much "pandemic" you experience.
We're still treating every death from covid as a horror and from a vaccine as a stat,a morally fragile starting point.

Edit, you can actually get vaccine congratulations cards...madness.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 8 Apr 10:45

Though, based on the current data, you're more likely to get a blood clot from catching COVID than you are from getting the vaccine. Especially if you're over 30.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Thu 8 Apr 11:05

The Australian Government is just announcing that it is scrapping AZ vaccines for under-50s...

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 8 Apr 11:08

Quote:

OzPar, Thu 8 Apr 11:05

The Australian Government is just announcing that it is scrapping AZ vaccines for under-50s...


Nothing to see here, vaccine deaths are acceptable.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Thu 8 Apr 11:33

Just to clarify the Australian Government`s position following the press conference tonight...

Australian health authorities have advised the Pfizer vaccine should be given to Australians aged under 50, amid concerns of rare blood clots potentially linked to the AstraZeneca vaccination.

Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly made the announcement, flanked by the Prime Minister Scott Morrison, in an unexpected press conference on Thursday night.

"The use of the Pfizer vaccine is preferred over the AstraZeneca vaccine in adults aged less than 50 years who have not already received a first dose of AstraZeneca vaccine," Professor Kelly said.

"This is based both on the increased risk of complications from COVID-19 with increasing age, and thus increased benefit of the vaccination, and the potentially lower, but not zero risk, of this rare event with increasing age.

"Immunisation providers should only give a first dose of AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine to adults under 50 years of age where benefit clearly outweighs the risk for that individual`s circumstances."

Professor Kelly said people who have had their first dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine, and had not experienced any "adverse side effects", can be given their second dose.

"People who have had blood clots associated with low platelet levels after their first dose of COVID-19 AstraZeneca should not be given the second dose," he said.

"That`s the all but one person that we`ve had so far in Australia are in that category."

A Melbourne man was hospitalised last week, developing blood clots almost a fortnight after receiving the AstraZeneca vaccine.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison said planning would continue through the night to consider how the advice from the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) would change the national vaccine rollout.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 8 Apr 11:58

News just in, colleague of Miss Rasta's, 59, no underlying conditions, reasonably fit, had jag, didn't feel well for about three days, went to bed about day three, husband found her dead.

Of course something else may come out but you can guess how the family must be feeling.

Time will tell I guess.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 8 Apr 12:12

Sorry to hear that, Rasta.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Thu 8 Apr 12:17

That`s sad, Rasta.




It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 8 Apr 12:21

Tragic event and undoubtedly devastating for the family. I don`t know them but they have my deepest sympathy.
Like you say Rasta, turn off the tele and stop living in fear. Unfortunately there are thousands of other things that can and will cause your death before any side effect from a vaccine does. The sort of things that never cross your mind and many more that you are well aware of but try not to dwell on.
I`ve still to get my vaccine but I will get it when offered. Doesn`t mean it I`m not wary of it despite the absolutely minuscule risk. That`s just human nature. Everyone thinks they might be the exception rather than the rule.



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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 8 Apr 12:43

Appreciate the kind words, this whole episode is just so hard to grasp....all of it, if only we could just get the truth of things....and I mean ftom both sides of the argument.
I also have a pal who HAS got underlying conditions so understandably got the jag, was hospitalised days later and they still can't figure out what's wrong.
Look i know some if you guys have been affected by covid and I'm sorry for that genuinely, however I've stated before, I live my life through my eyes and I've barely even seen covid, seen plenty caused by the prevention methods, so please excuse my scepticism.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 8 Apr 12:51

Quote:

The One Who Knocks, Thu 8 Apr 12:21

Tragic event and undoubtedly devastating for the family. I don`t know them but they have my deepest sympathy.
Like you say Rasta, turn off the tele and stop living in fear. Unfortunately there are thousands of other things that can and will cause your death before any side effect from a vaccine does. The sort of things that never cross your mind and many more that you are well aware of but try not to dwell on.
I`ve still to get my vaccine but I will get it when offered. Doesn`t mean it I`m not wary of it despite the absolutely minuscule risk. That`s just human nature. Everyone thinks they might be the exception rather than the rule.


TOWK I didn't hear of any of my friends deaths from the tele, unfortunately I heard of them through distraught family members, you can't really turn that sort of grief of like a tele....

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey  
Date:   Thu 8 Apr 13:35

UK "excess deaths" (remember that term) 5% under the 5 year average. would expect that to be higher than last year if there was anything significant with a vaccine given we now have 35million vaccinated with at least one dose compared to the 100k or so infected by the virus this time last year

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Parfect68  
Date:   Thu 8 Apr 17:21

Quote:

Rastapari, Thu 8 Apr 12:43

Appreciate the kind words, this whole episode is just so hard to grasp....all of it, if only we could just get the truth of things....and I mean ftom both sides of the argument.
I also have a pal who HAS got underlying conditions so understandably got the jag, was hospitalised days later and they still can't figure out what's wrong.
Look i know some if you guys have been affected by covid and I'm sorry for that genuinely, however I've stated before, I live my life through my eyes and I've barely even seen covid, seen plenty caused by the prevention methods, so please excuse my scepticism.


Sorry to hear of both situations Rasta, awful for all involved, whatever the underlying causes. Best wishes to all concerned
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 8 Apr 17:26

Quote:

Parfect68, Thu 8 Apr 17:21

Quote:

Rastapari, Thu 8 Apr 12:43

Appreciate the kind words, this whole episode is just so hard to grasp....all of it, if only we could just get the truth of things....and I mean ftom both sides of the argument.
I also have a pal who HAS got underlying conditions so understandably got the jag, was hospitalised days later and they still can't figure out what's wrong.
Look i know some if you guys have been affected by covid and I'm sorry for that genuinely, however I've stated before, I live my life through my eyes and I've barely even seen covid, seen plenty caused by the prevention methods, so please excuse my scepticism.


Sorry to hear of both situations Rasta, awful for all involved, whatever the underlying causes. Best wishes to all concerned


Very kind, appreciated, it's all just such a mess, all of it...

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Thu 8 Apr 18:13

This is what I don’t understand TOWK (nothing against your post), if there is such a minuscule risk then why are Oz stopping the AstraZeneca vaccine for everyone under 50 and the UK for under 30?

That a bit drastic, very large population for such a minuscule risk?

Why the twenty year difference as well between the countries?

The truth is no one knows the long term side effects of catching COVID-19 nor the effects of the vaccine.

Yet still, there is a really big campaign to push everyone to take the vaccine, it’s like Project Fear to a certain extent where folk are feeling more obligated to take it than actually seriously considering their personal circumstances and whether it’s right for them which as I’ve said for many may well be the right thing to do.

I’ve chosen to accept the risk of catching COVID and surviving it (i have no idea if I’ve had it or not) and face up to any long term effects that may transpire than willingly take a vaccination where there is still so much uncertainty over. Fortunately I’m in a risk category that allows me more flexibility in that regards.

My folks have had the vaccine, mother was fine, father was up for a couple of nights violently sick, thankfully he’s fine now but no vaccine should do that to a man surely? He was absolutely fine before the vaccine so why put yourself through it. I actually sense we’re going to have a falling out when they find out I’m being serious about not taking it.

Rasta - really sorry to hear your news on Miss Rastas colleague and your friend. It does serve as an example though, if they hadn’t taken the vaccine where would they be now, and in these situations it’s unlikely you’ll really get a firm answer to that.

And on this forum that’s Rasta with two people he knows right off the bat, is it as miniscule a risk really as it’s being made out..

Will never judge anyone for what decision they make, as long as they aren’t just doing it because big Boris is on the telly telling us we should and they feel obligated to take it, this shouldn’t be forced onto anyone.

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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 8 Apr 18:27

Berry, and this is just my opinion, is that nations are acting against the AZ vaccine because confidence among sections of the public has been lost with regards to that particular vaccine. So rather than those sections being put off getting inoculated full stop, governments have said, `fine, you won`t be given that vaccine you`ll be given another`.

We all hate poverty, war, and injustice.
Unlike the rest of you squares.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 8 Apr 18:30

Berry, the risk is almost the same per age group. However, as those under 30 have a lower risk of COVID death, the benefit of vaccination is less. It's essentially a basic formula looking at risk of vaccine vs risk of no vaccine.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Thu 8 Apr 18:54

Condolences to your friends Rasta, not a good thing to hear!

I am coming up to 70yrs of age, had Covid and one injection, was in Fire Service for 28yrs, so kind of used to taking risks!

I can see why the younger generation are getting anxious about it.🤔
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: CAPar  
Date:   Thu 8 Apr 19:14

I watched the UK press conference yesterday and the figures being painted were something like 4 in 1 million will get a bloodclot from the AZ vaccine across all ages and genders.

What they've done though is say that for people under 30, the risk of ICU entry/death from Covid is just less than 1 per 100,000 people but the risk of an adverse reaction from the AZ vaccine is just over 1 per 100,000 people so it's slightly more risky to take that vaccine than it is to get covid so that's why they're pulling it from that group.

As the age groups go up, the risk of ICU/death from Covid gets exponentially higher than the risk of a bloodclot from the vaccine so therefore it's more risky for anyone over the age of 30 to get Covid than take the vaccine.

Overall it's not really any less of a risk for older age groups to receive the AZ vaccine but the risk of getting Covid far outweighs the risk of being vaccinated with the AZ vaccine the older you get.

That of course is only looking at one type of adverse reaction on the side of the vaccine but also doesn't take into account the overall chance of getting covid, and long term covid symptoms, on the other side of things.

I suppose everyone just has to make their own decision on what to do based on what they see, experience and how they feel

For me personally, I'm early 40s, a tad overweight and recently diagnosed with asthma (which may well have been caused by Covid but I only had very mild symptoms before testing was widely available) so on balance, the vaccine seems the right way for me to go as although Covid probably wouldn't kill me, I think there's more chance of the virus getting me than an adverse reaction to the vaccine. Suppose either way it's rolling the dice and hoping you make the right call.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 9 Apr 09:01

I notice most of the geezers that bandy about tin foil nut and conspiracy theorist are a bit quieter, the usual.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Fri 9 Apr 09:22

Interesting to see that the richest people on the planet seen their wealth increased by 5 TRILLION DOLLARS during the Pandemic. At a time when the vast majority of people are really struggling they have done rather nicely for themselves.
All reinforces the view I had last March, that this has all been pre planned
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 9 Apr 10:34

Quote:

red-star-par, Fri 9 Apr 09:22

Interesting to see that the richest people on the planet seen their wealth increased by 5 TRILLION DOLLARS during the Pandemic. At a time when the vast majority of people are really struggling they have done rather nicely for themselves.
All reinforces the view I had last March, that this has all been pre planned


And one of them, who is not a doctor, holds a lot of sway in this whole ordeal, you know, the guy who wants to dim the sun..

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 9 Apr 10:58

Who are the 5 people?

Has the trajectory of the person Rasta infers changed dramatically in the past year?

I'd imagine the stock of online retailers must have skyrocketed.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 9 Apr 11:11

Quote:

jake89, Fri 9 Apr 10:58

Who are the 5 people?

Has the trajectory of the person Rasta infers changed dramatically in the past year?

I'd imagine the stock of online retailers must have skyrocketed.


Yes it has, by billions, what is everyone using for meetings whilst working from home?
Guys a raving lunatic, it's about time people woke up to his burgeoning messiah complex.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 9 Apr 13:21

Assuming people would use Teams would be risky given the popularity of the likes of Zoom and other products. Seems some effort to go to for someone already minted. It wouldn't even take him back to the top as Bezos will have benefited massively.

All these delivery firms like Uber, Just eat, DPD etc must be laughing their way to the bank. Even bricks and mortar stores like Next will be benefiting from their online store.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 9 Apr 13:35

Quote:

jake89, Fri 9 Apr 13:21

Assuming people would use Teams would be risky given the popularity of the likes of Zoom and other products. Seems some effort to go to for someone already minted. It wouldn't even take him back to the top as Bezos will have benefited massively.

All these delivery firms like Uber, Just eat, DPD etc must be laughing their way to the bank. Even bricks and mortar stores like Next will be benefiting from their online store.


He has other interests too mind....money usn't what a messiah complex is after it's power and adulation, he doesn't want more money he wants control.
He's the biggest farm land owner in the US now allegedly, do you see any natural or sustainable ideas coming out, no, the lunatic wants to dim the sun....not save bees, no he wants mechanical bees, seriously, really look at the guy, he's mental.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Saltire  
Date:   Fri 9 Apr 13:49

not sure how Rich someone is getting from a Jag being distributed at cost price, the same jab that is killing 0.001% the number of people that the virus is

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 9 Apr 13:59

Quote:

Saltire, Fri 9 Apr 13:49

not sure how Rich someone is getting from a Jag being distributed at cost price, the same jab that is killing 0.001% the number of people that the virus is


We're not talking about the jag.....

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Fri 9 Apr 20:08

The title of the thread is.......🙈

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: twin par  
Date:   Fri 9 Apr 21:24

I will say it again. If it was left to some people, we would still have,smallpox, whooping cough, diphtheria, and tb.There is always a risk.Going down to shop to buy a packet of sweets,hope I Don't get hit wi a bus,let's get real here. Remember, the testing, in past days, was far more risky,I'm still here !

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Fri 9 Apr 22:00

The wife and daughter has had the jag... wee lad is to young but I’m in and out of folks houses and still not got a date to get my jag....facemack and handgell....😅

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sat 10 Apr 03:37

Quote:

Rastapari, Fri 9 Apr 13:35

the lunatic wants to dim the sun.


No he doesn't https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-bill-gates-block-sun-conspiracy-theory-scopex-1573108
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 10 Apr 09:24

Quote:

sadindiefreak, Sat 10 Apr 03:37

Quote:

Rastapari, Fri 9 Apr 13:35

the lunatic wants to dim the sun.


No he doesn't https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-bill-gates-block-sun-conspiracy-theory-scopex-1573108


Oh really?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2021/01/11/bill-gates-backed-climate-solution-gains-traction-but-concerns-linger/amp/

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.

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Topic Originator: Parfect68  
Date:   Sat 10 Apr 09:24

https://twitter.com/okoch/status/1380435552286171138?s=19

Again trying to give perspective to help people make informed choices. Couldn't post image, if someone can great

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sat 10 Apr 14:49

Quote:

Rastapari, Sat 10 Apr 09:24

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sadindiefreak, Sat 10 Apr 03:37

Quote:

Rastapari, Fri 9 Apr 13:35

the lunatic wants to dim the sun.


No he doesn't https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-bill-gates-block-sun-conspiracy-theory-scopex-1573108


Oh really?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2021/01/11/bill-gates-backed-climate-solution-gains-traction-but-concerns-linger/amp/


It's not "blocking out the sun" though is it?
It's research into reducing rays getting through to combat global warming.
You can spin it however you want but it doesn't make your statement true.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sat 10 Apr 16:50



Mr Gates present his prototype.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Sun 11 Apr 18:35

Got tested positive for Coronavirus today, I'd absolutely recommend getting the vaccine.

This sucks.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle  
Date:   Sun 11 Apr 18:55

I had it relatively mildly in January (felt like a bad cold, but felt shivery for a few days also). The bigger issue is that it has brought back my asthma that I largely grew out of in my teens. I'm hoping that will fade in time, but who knows. I can personally vouch for covid-19 not being "just another flu".

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 11 Apr 19:05

It's odd that people focus on the long term effects of a vaccine but not so much the virus itself.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Mon 12 Apr 07:25

Quote:

sadindiefreak, Sat 10 Apr 14:49

Quote:

Rastapari, Sat 10 Apr 09:24

Quote:

sadindiefreak, Sat 10 Apr 03:37

Quote:

Rastapari, Fri 9 Apr 13:35

the lunatic wants to dim the sun.


No he doesn't https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-bill-gates-block-sun-conspiracy-theory-scopex-1573108


Oh really?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2021/01/11/bill-gates-backed-climate-solution-gains-traction-but-concerns-linger/amp/


It's not "blocking out the sun" though is it?
It's research into reducing rays getting through to combat global warming.
You can spin it however you want but it doesn't make your statement true.


Did you even read your own post?
Anyway you don't exist after your wee stunt, youvwon't even let me see my own words, what you scared of?
Do one pal.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Mon 12 Apr 07:56

Quote:

Rastapari, Mon 12 Apr 07:25

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sadindiefreak, Sat 10 Apr 14:49

Quote:

Rastapari, Sat 10 Apr 09:24

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sadindiefreak, Sat 10 Apr 03:37

Quote:

Rastapari, Fri 9 Apr 13:35

the lunatic wants to dim the sun.


No he doesn't https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-bill-gates-block-sun-conspiracy-theory-scopex-1573108


Oh really?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2021/01/11/bill-gates-backed-climate-solution-gains-traction-but-concerns-linger/amp/


It's not "blocking out the sun" though is it?
It's research into reducing rays getting through to combat global warming.
You can spin it however you want but it doesn't make your statement true.


Did you even read your own post?
Anyway you don't exist after your wee stunt, youvwon't even let me see my own words, what you scared of?
Do one pal.


And you wonder why I didn't trust you enough to unblock you.
This is your answer right here.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Mon 12 Apr 08:46

Quote:

Grant, Sun 11 Apr 18:35

Got tested positive for Coronavirus today, I'd absolutely recommend getting the vaccine.

This sucks.


Get well soon mate 👍

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Mon 12 Apr 09:23

echo, DA`s post, Grant




It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: ipswichpar  
Date:   Mon 12 Apr 09:34

Get well soon Grant. I was very lucky to get it easy....make sure you take time to get back to full health.....better doing it that than rushing back to normal activity.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: davepars  
Date:   Mon 12 Apr 10:28

Anyhow, back on topic, heres a stat......getting a clot after the jab is roughly the same risk of a young woman on the contraceptive pill having some form of blood clot in one week.

Also, get well soon Grant

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Mon 12 Apr 11:40

Aye, get well soon, Grant.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Mon 12 Apr 11:45

All the best Grant, I'm nearly 70 and managed to get through it!
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Mon 12 Apr 13:31

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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Mon 12 Apr 14:19

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 12 Apr 15:26

Quote:

Grant, Sun 11 Apr 18:35

Got tested positive for Coronavirus today, I'd absolutely recommend getting the vaccine.

This sucks.


I hope you're not too bad, Grant. I think you're a reasonably young man and in good health and you're definitely one of the most sensible posters on here. 🙂

Keep us posted on your progress.



Not your average Sunday League player.


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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Mon 12 Apr 20:30

Very much appreciate all the well wishes, very lovely to read!

I have every faith I'll be fine, my biggest concern is my asthma coming back, I've known of a few people that's happened to and that, would be quite annoying.

In quite a privileged position though when that's my biggest worry!
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Mon 12 Apr 20:40

Speedy and full recovery Grant.... take care



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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Pars232  
Date:   Tue 13 Apr 11:58

Speedy recovery Grant
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Topic Originator: Parfect68  
Date:   Tue 13 Apr 13:10

Get well soon Grant!
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 13 Apr 13:41

If I'm reading right, Ireland has passed legislation meaning unvaccinated cannot be with two or more unvaccinated.....quite the project fear going on here.
You would think a pandemic would speak for itself.
Still to look into it further but pretty damn discriminatory if true.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: ipswichpar  
Date:   Tue 13 Apr 14:44

The flip side obviously being is it right that others intentionally increase the risk to others by noting taking the shared risk that we are all taking.

Pretty much impossible situation.

If one of my mates hasn't got the jab then they aren't getting in my house. Why would I want to share public areas with folk who refuse to take it when I don't even know them?!?
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 13 Apr 15:26

Quote:

ipswichpar, Tue 13 Apr 14:44

The flip side obviously being is it right that others intentionally increase the risk to others by noting taking the shared risk that we are all taking.

Pretty much impossible situation.

If one of my mates hasn't got the jab then they aren't getting in my house. Why would I want to share public areas with folk who refuse to take it when I don't even know them?!?


Obviously I sympathise given your current condition.....but I'm not sharing a risk I don't have to, I want to see what these vaccines are doing long term.
We'll be wearing yellow stars soon and most will cheer it with no sense if irony.
Sad times.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Tue 13 Apr 15:35

I wonder how many people who smoke E cigs are aware of the long term effects?

Not whataboutery or being smart, just pointing out that people take risks on a daily basis without a second thought. I would also have to question the logic of any committed tobacco smoker who is afraid to be vaccinated.



Not your average Sunday League player.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 13 Apr 16:46

Quote:

GG Riva, Tue 13 Apr 15:35

I wonder how many people who smoke E cigs are aware of the long term effects?

Not whataboutery or being smart, just pointing out that people take risks on a daily basis without a second thought. I would also have to question the logic of any committed tobacco smoker who is afraid to be vaccinated.


A committed tobacco smoker knows the risks, the risk for the vaccine are unknown maybe, the human psyche can be a strange thing?

I've just watch a video of a distraught family recounting the story of their relative, in his 70's, got the jab, collapsed and died mere feet from the centre he got the jab in.

I'm sorry but to some there are very real risks, risks our media are simply not being balanced about, our government....well we know they'll say anything for a quid or a billion or two.

I understand people with genuine fears and feel safer with the jag, surely people can understand those people who witness horrible events like I've just described being reticent, no?

As mentioned by another poster there's a project fear going on here, I just can help but feel a true deadly pandemic wouldn't need so much PR.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: ipswichpar  
Date:   Tue 13 Apr 16:56

I understand where your coming from but using a sample of one would stop us all driving cars every day. Or crossing a road. Or walking down stairs.

I'm happy to trust the experts and think it's really important that we get rid of this as much as we can to stop it mutating
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 13 Apr 17:56

Post a link of this harrowing account please

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Tue 13 Apr 20:18

Not whataboutery or being smart, just pointing out that people take risks on a daily basis without a second thought. I would also have to question the logic of any committed tobacco smoker who is afraid to be vaccinated.


I think the difference is G.G. that the tobacco smoker enjoys his fag and is well aware of the long term ill health effects which also gives a warning on the packet
The vaccine is an unknown risk ... alcohol and tobacco deaths are manly self inflicted .... The vaccine long term heath effects are Government inflicted

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: sammer  
Date:   Tue 13 Apr 21:15

I`ve smoked 50 years and never been in hospital in my life nor near a doctor either recently so, since I can still manage a jog every day, I don`t really see any immediate risk from tobacco. The biggest tobacco risk I face is returning to the UK where it would cost me around £2,500 a year extra to buy a packet a day. Quite a big slice out of my pension.

These vaccinations have been rushed through. It`s only a month ago the Daily Express was braying about the success of what it called the Oxford jab but there have been a number of countries expressing caution about the Astra Zenica vaccine. There is tremendous political pressure in the UK to `roll out` the vaccine programme in order to paper over the very high death toll in relation to other European countries which is another reason to be suspicious.

The vaccine has to be a personal decision, not one people are shamed or bullied into, same as the annual option to have a `flu jab. My attitude is `if it aint broke don`t fix it`: others will be `better safe than sorry.` Both should be respected.

sammer
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Tue 13 Apr 22:07

Quote:

da_no_1, Tue 13 Apr 17:56

Post a link of this harrowing account please


You'll be lucky.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Tue 13 Apr 22:50

Sammer nails it for me.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 07:42

A very interesting article:-

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/13/how-uk-doctor-marie-scully-blood-clotting-link-astrazeneca-covid-jab-university-college-london-hospital

It suggests that there is a link between the Astra-Zenica vaccine (and the Johnson & Johnson vaccine) and the rare blood clotting. Great to read that the best scientific and medical minds have collaborated to find a successful treatment for those unlucky people who are affected, but sadly too late for those who have died.



Not your average Sunday League player.


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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 07:49

Quote:

sadindiefreak, Tue 13 Apr 22:07

Quote:

da_no_1, Tue 13 Apr 17:56

Post a link of this harrowing account please


You'll be lucky.


Says the guy scared of letting a fella look at his own conversation, I think I know why now.
You're scared.
Anyway, sorry, back you go to not existing.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 07:51

Quote:

GG Riva, Wed 14 Apr 07:42

A very interesting article:-

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/13/how-uk-doctor-marie-scully-blood-clotting-link-astrazeneca-covid-jab-university-college-london-hospital

It suggests that there is a link between the Astra-Zenica vaccine (and the Johnson & Johnson vaccine) and the rare blood clotting. Great to read that the best scientific and medical minds have collaborated to find a successful treatment for those unlucky people who are affected, but sadly too late for those who have died.


That is one....out of the thousands of adverse reactions, what of those?
Few deaths and we'll get to them?

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 07:54

Quote:

sammer, Tue 13 Apr 21:15

I`ve smoked 50 years and never been in hospital in my life nor near a doctor either recently so, since I can still manage a jog every day, I don`t really see any immediate risk from tobacco. The biggest tobacco risk I face is returning to the UK where it would cost me around £2,500 a year extra to buy a packet a day. Quite a big slice out of my pension.

These vaccinations have been rushed through. It`s only a month ago the Daily Express was braying about the success of what it called the Oxford jab but there have been a number of countries expressing caution about the Astra Zenica vaccine. There is tremendous political pressure in the UK to `roll out` the vaccine programme in order to paper over the very high death toll in relation to other European countries which is another reason to be suspicious.

The vaccine has to be a personal decision, not one people are shamed or bullied into, same as the annual option to have a `flu jab. My attitude is `if it aint broke don`t fix it`: others will be `better safe than sorry.` Both should be respected.


Sammer, you're a very intelligent man, so you don't need me to tell you that you've been lucky and that no matter how healthy you are, you'd be healthier if you hadn't smoked - but here I am telling you anyway and ironically, the man telling you, smoked on and off for about 20 years, before escaping the weed definitively. 🙂

The vaccine was certainly rushed through like a panic-induced animal stampede and I completely agree that it must remain a personal choice, but it looks increasingly likely that those who do not want to risk it will have their lives severely restricted. e.g. they will not be allowed to travel abroad.



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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 07:58

Quote:

Rastapari, Wed 14 Apr 07:49

Quote:

sadindiefreak, Tue 13 Apr 22:07

Quote:

da_no_1, Tue 13 Apr 17:56

Post a link of this harrowing account please


You'll be lucky.


Says the guy scared of letting a fella look at his own conversation, I think I know why now.
You're scared.
Anyway, sorry, back you go to not existing.


Nice deflection. LINK PLEASE

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 08:52

Quote:

Rastapari, Wed 14 Apr 07:49

Quote:

sadindiefreak, Tue 13 Apr 22:07

Quote:

da_no_1, Tue 13 Apr 17:56

Post a link of this harrowing account please


You'll be lucky.


Says the guy scared of letting a fella look at his own conversation, I think I know why now.
You're scared.
Anyway, sorry, back you go to not existing.


Bravo on your mission of ignoring me.
First post and you fail.
Your narcissism won't allow you to ignore me.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 08:55

Quote:

da_no_1, Wed 14 Apr 07:58

Quote:

Rastapari, Wed 14 Apr 07:49

Quote:

sadindiefreak, Tue 13 Apr 22:07

Quote:

da_no_1, Tue 13 Apr 17:56

Post a link of this harrowing account please


You'll be lucky.


Says the guy scared of letting a fella look at his own conversation, I think I know why now.
You're scared.
Anyway, sorry, back you go to not existing.


Nice deflection. LINK PLEASE


To be fair to him there was a 70 year old man died within 25 minutes of getting jag in February. Happened in New York. It was under investigation to see what the cause of death was but not seen anything since about it.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 10:23

Feeling much better, sense of smell has completely vanished which is utterly bewildering, however in a room with a good few other people so it might be a blessing really.


I mean people must be farting, or have body odour, but I can't smell it at all. What a result!
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 12:21

Quote:

Grant, Wed 14 Apr 10:23

Feeling much better, sense of smell has completely vanished which is utterly bewildering, however in a room with a good few other people so it might be a blessing really.


I mean people must be farting, or habody odour, but I can't smell it at all. What a result!


Good to hear you are feeling better. The only 2 people I know who have covid still haven't got their full sense of taste back yet after 4 months, so hopefully the sense of smell back at some point
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 12:47

Quote:

sadindiefreak, Wed 14 Apr 08:52

Quote:

Rastapari, Wed 14 Apr 07:49

Quote:

sadindiefreak, Tue 13 Apr 22:07

Quote:

da_no_1, Tue 13 Apr 17:56

Post a link of this harrowing account please


You'll be lucky.


Says the guy scared of letting a fella look at his own conversation, I think I know why now.
You're scared.
Anyway, sorry, back you go to not existing.


Bravo on your mission of ignoring me.
First post and you fail.
Your narcissism won't allow you to ignore me.


Bait me and I'll call you out for the coward you are.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 13:53

Quote:

Rastapari, Wed 14 Apr 12:47

Quote:

sadindiefreak, Wed 14 Apr 08:52

Quote:

Rastapari, Wed 14 Apr 07:49

Quote:

sadindiefreak, Tue 13 Apr 22:07

Quote:

da_no_1, Tue 13 Apr 17:56

Post a link of this harrowing account please


You'll be lucky.


Says the guy scared of letting a fella look at his own conversation, I think I know why now.
You're scared.
Anyway, sorry, back you go to not existing.


Bravo on your mission of ignoring me.
First post and you fail.
Your narcissism won't allow you to ignore me.


Bait me and I'll call you out for the coward you are.


2 from 2. Not doing so well on the ignoring.
Everyone saw what you sent me. You are one toxic individual.
Not trusting you, a proven liar, is sensible not cowardly.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 15:33

Quote:

sadindiefreak, Wed 14 Apr 13:53

Quote:

Rastapari, Wed 14 Apr 12:47

Quote:

sadindiefreak, Wed 14 Apr 08:52

Quote:

Rastapari, Wed 14 Apr 07:49

Quote:

sadindiefreak, Tue 13 Apr 22:07

Quote:

da_no_1, Tue 13 Apr 17:56

Post a link of this harrowing account please


You'll be lucky.


Says the guy scared of letting a fella look at his own conversation, I think I know why now.
You're scared.
Anyway, sorry, back you go to not existing.


Bravo on your mission of ignoring me.
First post and you fail.
Your narcissism won't allow you to ignore me.


Bait me and I'll call you out for the coward you are.


2 from 2. Not doing so well on the ignoring.
Everyone saw what you sent me. You are one toxic individual.
Not trusting you, a proven liar, is sensible not cowardly.


What they didn't see was the whole context, you're scared to give me access to it, you're a fraud....if ut's so damning, show me, what's to lose if it vindicates you?
Like I said, coward.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 15:34

Anyway back on point, more countries pausing Astrazenica.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 16:20

‘The vaccine was certainly rushed through like a panic-induced animal stampede and I completely agree that it must remain a personal choice, but it looks increasingly likely that those who do not want to risk it will have their lives severely restricted. e.g. they will not be allowed to travel abroad.’

Which is fundamentally wrong and doubt they’d be able to sustain that stance for long if attempted without a significant legal challenge.

You cannot force people to take a jag (that countries are still banning!) under threat of not being able to do things.

Similarly you should not take the jag if the only reason you’re taking it is so you can go abroad/the pub. The fact the Government is making people think like that is criminal.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 16:31

We will see what happens in the next few weeks, the English desperate for a pint and down the town in their droves, wonder if they'll be a kickback?
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 18:58

Quote:

LochgellyAlbert, Wed 14 Apr 16:31

We will see what happens in the next few weeks, the English desperate for a pint and down the town in their droves, wonder if they'll be a kickback?


Thing is in all the news footage of busy pub beer gardens it’s mainly under 50’s who won’t have had the jag anyway so you have to imagine more cases is certain but the proof will be in hospital admissions


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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 19:07

Just checking here...the example being used is regarding one man who died shortly after being vaccinated? This was one man, it wasn't proven to be linked, and it happened over 2 months ago. I don't believe detail was given in which vaccine he received.

Surely of more concern is the 2000 people in Scotland who have died within 4 weeks of receiving the vaccine? Obviously these deaths aren't necessarily a result of the vaccine so should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Get the vaccine, don't get the vaccine. It's up to the individual and no-one should be judged on their decision.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 19:38

Correct jake89 .... also read somewhere today that 23% of deaths attributed to covid were not actually covid deaths ...... but recorded as covid deaths on the certificate

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Wed 14 Apr 23:42

Jake here is an article you may find interesting. Covid was only number five in the top causes of death in Scotland for the month March after many months when it was the leading cause. Unfortunately the vaccine can`t protect people against those other leading causes of death but it at least appears to be having an impact on covid death rates.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-56746086

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Thu 15 Apr 03:45

Quote:

Buspasspar, Wed 14 Apr 19:38

Correct jake89 .... also read somewhere today that 23% of deaths attributed to covid were not actually covid deaths ...... but recorded as covid deaths on the certificate


There was a FOI request to the Scottish government a while back that stated that the figure for Covid being the underlying cause of death was 93% of cases.
That must mean the figure where they had tested +ve but died from something else was 7%.

This was back in September so things may have changed but 23% seems a big jump from 7% if the same criteria are being used.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/foi-202000069554/
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 15 Apr 10:12

Quote:

Buspasspar, Wed 14 Apr 19:38

Correct jake89 .... also read somewhere today that 23% of deaths attributed to covid were not actually covid deaths ...... but recorded as covid deaths on the certificate


Well when covid goes on the death certificate of anyone who dies within 28 days of a diagnosis, what do you expect.
Can't help but feel in a real true pandemic the numbers wouldn't need to be influenced by that, maybe hear a few more ambulances, funeral numbers up, hospital deaths way far and above recent years etc....but there isn't much of that.

I dunno, perhaps if the main players, government, vaccine companies etc weren't mired in dodgy doings and practices the whole thing would be more trustworthy.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 15 Apr 11:02

"Well when covid goes on the death certificate of anyone who dies within 28 days of a diagnosis, what do you expect."

Sorry but that`s just not true.
Article in the BMJ explaining why that`s the case and essential reading for those interested in facts and detail.

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n352

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Thu 15 Apr 12:13

Quote:

The One Who Knocks, Thu 15 Apr 11:02

"Well when covid goes on the death certificate of anyone who dies within 28 days of a diagnosis, what do you expect."

Sorry but that`s just not true.
Article in the BMJ explaining why that`s the case and essential reading for those interested in facts and detail.

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n352


I got to the but it says repeated by news outlets, so what are we to believe, it's also on NHS websites too, I thought we were to trust them, no?

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Thu 15 Apr 16:20

I posted that link to the article because it totally and unequivocally debunks the wide spread falsehood that everyone that dies after testing positive for covid has that marked down on their death certificate as cause of death.
I especially like this bit in the article;

"As we know, death certification is a serious professional duty. It is done with diligence and, for deaths in hospital, is usually discussed with a medical examiner (although this step was suspended for a few months10 in the first pandemic wave in early 2020).
The personal and professional consequences of fabricating or distorting certificates would be serious, and there is no mass conspiracy or incentive, financial or otherwise, to do so. Nor is it credible that such a plot would not have been leaked by now via disgruntled whistleblowers"

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Thu 15 Apr 16:26

For a conspiracy on the scale you're talking about Rasta you'd need multiple high level government officials from each and every government on the planet, all working together so that Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos get a bit richer.









I'll have "That's not what's happening" cheers Carol.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle  
Date:   Thu 15 Apr 18:05

I've heard numerous people point at death rate graphs etc. and say "what's the big deal with this virus, it ain't doing any harm". Umm... We've just had the biggest lockdown and social distancing period ever. The correct analysis of course is to compare what has happened versus what would have happened had we taken no steps. And I'm convinced the result would have been the horrors currently being witnessed in Brazil. One horrible stat is 500 covid patients in Sao Paulo dying last month whilst waiting to get into full ICU departments, not to mention some oxygen supply issues...

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Thu 15 Apr 18:23

“The risk of developing a serious brain clot - known as a cerebral sinus vein thrombosis (CVST) - is 8 to 10 times higher in people with Covid than those who get a vaccine, a study suggests.”

So if you are not getting the vaccine for fear of the blood clot you are better off getting the vaccine to reduce your chances of the blood clot 😂 (if you got Covid)

Still a minuscule likelihood though. So much fear from all angles it must be really difficult for some to make an informed choice that is right for them. Especially if they just follow headlines and don’t understand probability

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56760163




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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Thu 15 Apr 20:11

Quote:

P, Thu 15 Apr 18:23

“The risk of developing a serious brain clot - known as a cerebral sinus vein thrombosis (CVST) - is 8 to 10 times higher in people with Covid than those who get a vaccine, a study suggests.”

So if you are not getting the vaccine for fear of the blood clot you are better off getting the vaccine to reduce your chances of the blood clot 😂 (if you got Covid)

Still a minuscule likelihood though. So much fear from all angles it must be really difficult for some to make an informed choice that is right for them. Especially if they just follow headlines and don’t understand probability

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56760163


That's exactly it. You are at greater risk from NOT getting the vaccine. So those saying they don't feel at risk of catching COVID should, in theory, be even less concerned about being vaccinated.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 07:03

Sheffield Wednesday manager, Darren Moore, contracts pneumonia and has blood clots on the lungs after testing positive for covid last week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56767577

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 07:19

Quote:

Grant, Thu 15 Apr 16:26

For a conspiracy on the scale you're talking about Rasta you'd need multiple high level government officials from each and every government on the planet, all working together so that Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos get a bit richer.









I'll have "That's not what's happening" cheers Carol.


Again please stop the lazy conspiracy crap and go back and find where I said it's about making bezos and Gates richer you muppet?
Let's just see where we are in two or three years time.....my health will be fine..

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 07:21

Quote:

P, Thu 15 Apr 18:23

“The risk of developing a serious brain clot - known as a cerebral sinus vein thrombosis (CVST) - is 8 to 10 times higher in people with Covid than those who get a vaccine, a study suggests.”

So if you are not getting the vaccine for fear of the blood clot you are better off getting the vaccine to reduce your chances of the blood clot 😂 (if you got Covid)

Still a minuscule likelihood though. So much fear from all angles it must be really difficult for some to make an informed choice that is right for them. Especially if they just follow headlines and don’t understand probability

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56760163


I'm sure one of the 19 dead will be laughing along side you....

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 07:42

Would the 150-190 who died from the same issue with COVID be laughing too?

I don't think anyone is laughing...
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 08:22

Quote:

jake89, Fri 16 Apr 07:42

Would the 150-190 who died from the same issue with COVID be laughing too?

I don't think anyone is laughing...


If you see my earlier posts, that is what I'm saying....all deaths from this should hold the same sway but this "deaths to be expected" crap is way cold.
Nice use if language on BBC today "new freedoms granted" oh really?
New freedoms?

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 08:46

Quote:

Rastapari, Fri 16 Apr 08:22

Quote:

jake89, Fri 16 Apr 07:42

Would the 150-190 who died from the same issue with COVID be laughing too?

I don't think anyone is laughing...


If you see my earlier posts, that is what I'm saying....all deaths from this should hold the same sway but this "deaths to be expected" crap is way cold.
Nice use if language on BBC today "new freedoms granted" oh really?
New freedoms?


No one is laughing at deaths - I was laughing at the irony. Yours was a bit of a twisted interpretation.




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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 09:22

Is it a coincidence that Rasta's chosen username is an anagram of Astra?
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 09:48

Indian variant on the way, more deadly than the others, 77 confirmed UK cases already.

With 50 flights a day arriving from India and a refusal by the UK government to put India on the red list, the future doesn't look bright!

Apparently BJ has a trade trip planned to India in his shiny new aircraft and doesn't want it cancelled, it is before a scheduled EU delegation visit. 🤔😷😡😡😡
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 09:48

What latin for stars?

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 10:13

Gates called his dad his "North Star". Coincidence?

On a mor serious note, there are going to be variants. Same happens with flu. When you get your flu jab you don't know who made it or what it protects against.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 10:29

Again, you transfer lazy tropes onto me in the hope you feel better, ach have at it.
7 months is quick for a vaccine, a vaccine people are dying from, that's not a conspiracy theory, it's fact.
I thought some of you would at least have a dictionary.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 10:29

Quote:

Rastapari, Fri 16 Apr 07:19

Quote:

Grant, Thu 15 Apr 16:26

For a conspiracy on the scale you're talking about Rasta you'd need multiple high level government officials from each and every government on the planet, all working together so that Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos get a bit richer.









I'll have "That's not what's happening" cheers Carol.


Again please stop the lazy conspiracy crap and go back and find where I said it's about making bezos and Gates richer you muppet?
Let's just see where we are in two or three years time.....my health will be fine..


I'll stop with the lazy conspiracy crap when you stop with the conspiracy crap.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 10:57

Quote:

Grant, Fri 16 Apr 10:29

Quote:

Rastapari, Fri 16 Apr 07:19

Quote:

Grant, Thu 15 Apr 16:26

For a conspiracy on the scale you're talking about Rasta you'd need multiple high level government officials from each and every government on the planet, all working together so that Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos get a bit richer.









I'll have "That's not what's happening" cheers Carol.


Again please stop the lazy conspiracy crap and go back and find where I said it's about making bezos and Gates richer you muppet?
Let's just see where we are in two or three years time.....my health will be fine..


I'll stop with the lazy conspiracy crap when you stop with the conspiracy crap.


What conspiracy crap?
The vaccine is rushed? Not conspiracy
The vaccine has killed people? Not conspiracy.
Lockdowns will likely never end? So far, not conspiracy, carrot and sticks so far.
The vaccine will get holidays back? Yeah well not right now, no?
Tha vaccine doesn't stop you getting or transferring covid? Sorry love lucked out there too...
Vaccine passports?
Pfizer's criminal convictions? Oops.
I'll tell you what, why don't you list the "conspiracy theories" you want me to stop, yeah?

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 11:22

Quote:

jake89, Fri 16 Apr 09:22

Is it a coincidence that Rasta's chosen username is an anagram of Astra?


Trying to attack folk over usernames is BS.
It's where my conflict with Rasta started.

If you wanted a better anagram of his username then Aspirita is close as well and fits more accurately.

Aspirita is a dark menacing cloud that really has no substance because they almost never produce rain.


If you see this post Rasta no offence is meant. It's my feeble attempt at banter. Love "Saddo" 😊

I've also unblocked you on Facebook so putting a tremendous amount of faith in you not to come up with any funny business.

I want this to be the start of a healing process between us.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 11:51

But your username includes the word "Fear", which associates you with the "Project fear". I'm onto you 😉

(I know how you got your username so don't worry).
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 12:12

Quote:

jake89, Fri 16 Apr 11:51

But your username includes the word "Fear", which associates you with the "Project fear". I'm onto you 😉

(I know how you got your username so don't worry).


Long anagrams not your strong point.

I prefer for me these.

Fake Diaries

Adder (snake)

Idea Finder
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 13:10

Grant I'm waiting on your list of actual conspiracy theories I subscribe to?
You there?

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Jbob  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 13:18

Conspiracy theorists never admit to it.
Or is that another conspiracy?

Bobs of the world unite
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 13:38

You've certainly suggested a very wealthy man being involved in it all, Rasta.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 14:01

Quote:

Rastapari, Fri 16 Apr 13:10

Grant I'm waiting on your list of actual conspiracy theories I subscribe to?
You there?


If there's a conspiracy theory that's posted on here, you've not been short on following it up and bigging it up.


And no, I don't spend 24 hours a day on this forum, hth.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 15:37

Quote:

Grant, Fri 16 Apr 14:01

Quote:

Rastapari, Fri 16 Apr 13:10

Grant I'm waiting on your list of actual conspiracy theories I subscribe to?
You there?


If there's a conspiracy theory that's posted on here, you've not been short on following it up and bigging it up.


And no, I don't spend 24 hours a day on this forum, hth.


Where?

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 15:39

Quote:

jake89, Fri 16 Apr 13:38

You've certainly suggested a very wealthy man being involved in it all, Rasta.


And that very wealthy man, not a doctor, is never done talking about vaccinations nor giving money too/bribing vaccine institutions.
Like I said consistently, the idea that these tax dodging billionaires and corrupt politicians are clubbing together to keep us well.....sorry, but out there for me.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Parfect68  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 16:10

Quote:

Parfect68, Wed 7 Apr 20:58

Adding a post to highlight one paper on reduced transmission following vaccination https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/newsevents/news/2021/covid-19-vaccine-linked-reduction-transmission#:~:text=Vaccination%20of%20Scotland's%20healthcare%20workers,19%20to%20their%20household%20contacts.


Sorry Rasta, in your list of facts re transmission and lucking out I will refer you to my previous post
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 16:50

Quote:

Rastapari, Fri 16 Apr 15:37

Quote:

Grant, Fri 16 Apr 14:01

Quote:

Rastapari, Fri 16 Apr 13:10

Grant I'm waiting on your list of actual conspiracy theories I subscribe to?
You there?


If there's a conspiracy theory that's posted on here, you've not been short on following it up and bigging it up.


And no, I don't spend 24 hours a day on this forum, hth.


Where?



On this forum.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 16:58

Quote:

Parfect68, Fri 16 Apr 16:10

Quote:

Parfect68, Wed 7 Apr 20:58

Adding a post to highlight one paper on reduced transmission following vaccination https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/newsevents/news/2021/covid-19-vaccine-linked-reduction-transmission#:~:text=Vaccination%20of%20Scotland's%20healthcare%20workers,19%20to%20their%20household%20contacts.


Sorry Rasta, in your list of facts re transmission and lucking out I will refer you to my previous post


The vaccine's been "linked" to reduced infection🤣
Well you would kinda hope so, no?

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Parfect68  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 17:34

Quote:

Rastapari, Fri 16 Apr 16:58

Quote:

Parfect68, Fri 16 Apr 16:10

Quote:

Parfect68, Wed 7 Apr 20:58

Adding a post to highlight one paper on reduced transmission following vaccination https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/newsevents/news/2021/covid-19-vaccine-linked-reduction-transmission#:~:text=Vaccination%20of%20Scotland's%20healthcare%20workers,19%20to%20their%20household%20contacts.


Sorry Rasta, in your list of facts re transmission and lucking out I will refer you to my previous post


The vaccine's been "linked" to reduced infection🤣
Well you would kinda hope so, no?


Of course you would, but here is part of a public health study in Scotland that says it is. I'm not sure if you're fishing or not but you made a statement above which was intimating the vaccine did not reduce transmission which I gave evidence against to show it does. It is evident you like to debate, it would appear you dismiss evidence unless it suits your narrative. I agree with some of the things you say, some of the things you say are factually incorrect and should be called out for that. All for you making up your mind about what you do and for sharing good evidence to help discussion but incorrect facts may lead others to believe your statement, which will impact the public health message and ultimately therefore possibly have a negative impact on someone else's health, which takes your behaviour out of the realms of only affecting you. Unless you can provide valid evidence to say the vaccines do not reduce transmission, or you acknowledge the evidence provided I'll not debate this point further.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 18:12

Oh, for heavens sake rasta, now you are claiming that you don`t subscribe to conspiracy theories? Codswallop. Dozens in recent years, mostly relating to paedophilia, but by no means exclusive to that. Remember the secret submarine base on Epstein’s island? Just one example of many.

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: BigJPar  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 20:09

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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 20:21

OK can we all stop badgering Rasta please... It's starting to get uncomfortable and bordering on trolling.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion on this site... You may not like it and you may not agree with it... But it's their opinion.
And just for the record... Rasta hasn't complained about this thread... But a few other posters have.
We don't want to have to delete this thread but will do if necessary.
Regards
Widders


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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 20:25

Quote:

widtink, Fri 16 Apr 20:21

OK can we all stop badgering Rasta please... It's starting to get uncomfortable and bordering on trolling.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion on this site... You may not like it and you may not agree with it... But it's their opinion.
And just for the record... Rasta hasn't complained about this thread... But a few other posters have.
We don't want to have to delete this thread but will do if necessary.
Regards
Widders


Well said, Widders. 🙂



Not your average Sunday League player.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: red-star-par  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 20:54

Quote:

BigJPar, Fri 16 Apr 20:09

Rasta,
It's pretty obvious you get your opinions from crackpot conspiracy theory websites/ forums.
You're no where near as clever as you think you are.


Although he's not the one that's let himself be injected with god knows what
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 21:08

Quote:

widtink, Fri 16 Apr 20:21

OK can we all stop badgering Rasta please... It's starting to get uncomfortable and bordering on trolling.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion on this site... You may not like it and you may not agree with it... But it's their opinion.
And just for the record... Rasta hasn't complained about this thread... But a few other posters have.
We don't want to have to delete this thread but will do if necessary.
Regards
Widders


Let me just state I'm deeply unconcerned about some of the views of me portrayed here, although admittedly some of them are lazy and tired, let them have at it,my concerns are out there and inclusive..for whatever reason or path I wish your foot gentle path.
Perhaps I am reactionary, are you not too?
Either way bon voyage.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 21:08

Quote:

red-star-par, Fri 16 Apr 20:54

Quote:

BigJPar, Fri 16 Apr 20:09

Rasta,
It's pretty obvious you get your opinions from crackpot conspiracy theory websites/ forums.
You're no where near as clever as you think you are.


Although he's not the one that's let himself be injected with god knows what


Also this....

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 21:15

Personally Widders I think you maybe should just delete the thread for the reasons that Parfect68 stated.

We all hate poverty, war, and injustice.
Unlike the rest of you squares.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: BigJPar  
Date:   Fri 16 Apr 22:05

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 17 Apr 06:38

Quote:

BigJPar, Fri 16 Apr 22:05

Quote:

The One Who Knocks, Fri 16 Apr 21:15

Personally Widders I think you maybe should just delete the thread for the reasons that Parfect68 stated.


Agreed, lots of misinformation.


Yeah, you lit keep calling it a vaccine, claiming it's been properly tested, encouraging folk to take God knows what.
Have you no shame?

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 17 Apr 09:09

This thread should absolutely be deleted now.

We all hate poverty, war, and injustice.
Unlike the rest of you squares.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sat 17 Apr 09:10

Genuine question, would life insurance pay out if you’ve taken the vaccine and died within a short period after?

Quick edit to widen the question to dying from contracting COVID without vaccine as well.

Post Edited (Sat 17 Apr 09:14)
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Sat 17 Apr 09:14

Quote:

Berry, Sat 17 Apr 09:10

Genuine question, would life insurance pay out if you’ve taken the vaccine and died within a short period after?


Why wouldn't it? It's a treatment offered by the NHS just like any other.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Sat 17 Apr 09:23

Quote:

The One Who Knocks, Sat 17 Apr 09:09

This thread should absolutely be deleted now.


Depends on whether it actually deals with the issue.
My opinion is that a certain individual will probably just pop up on another thread with more sensationalised rubbish, written in emotive language designed to get a reaction.
Then when called out for it, past performances would suggest he will insult, name call and generally try to belittle the responder.
If there is a need to moderate the debate then maybe deal with the cause of the issue?
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Sat 17 Apr 09:50

Quote:

red-star-par, Fri 16 Apr 20:54

Quote:

BigJPar, Fri 16 Apr 20:09

Rasta,
It's pretty obvious you get your opinions from crackpot conspiracy theory websites/ forums.
You're no where near as clever as you think you are.


Although he's not the one that's let himself be injected with god knows what



Each and every day of your life you'll put your faith in other people knowing what on earth they were doing so you could use that appliance.

Have you got an intimate knowledge of how an internal combustion engine works? You probably still drive a car.
Electricity? You probably don't live in a cave.
In your weekly shop do you know the origins of each and everything you buy, how it's made, what it's made out of?

It is not some sign of intelligence to stand at the sidelines sneering at everyone else because you don't know exactly how a vaccine works, far from it. No one, and I feel confident about this statement, knows everything about all the things they use during there life.

I see absolutely no reason to be concerned about the vaccine, I've had plenty needles in my life filled with "god knows what", I'll carry on carrying on cheers.



Absolutely no time for anti vaxxers man, they'll kill far more people than vaccines do.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sat 17 Apr 10:00

There’s a difference between anti-vaxxers and those unwilling to take a vaccine whilst they are still being banned from use across the world over the uncertainties.

Denmark are the first country in the EU to completely drop the AstraZenica version from their vaccine rollout.

Post on here not long ago about Australia not offering to under 50’s.

If you want to take the vaccine then you absolutely go for it just don’t criticise others for not taking it when their reasoning is as valid.

There are many people out there who were perfectly healthy, taken the vaccine and have died as a result and reality is they may never have needed to take it and their life’s been cut short. No time for anti-vaxxers right enough..

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 17 Apr 10:19

Berry the problem is you are having people saying that the vaccine has been rushed. The word rushed suggests it had somehow slipped protocols and checks that other vaccines haven`t been subject to but the covid vaccines absolutely have been.
https://globalnews.ca/news/7511664/fact-or-fiction-covid-19-vaccine/
That`s just one source, plenty others available. The British Heart Foundation has particularly good information on the vaccine but the link was a bit on the lengthy side and I don`t know how to shorten it.

We all hate poverty, war, and injustice.
Unlike the rest of you squares.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sat 17 Apr 10:38

It has been well tested. All vaccines has side effects and fatalities in very small numbers, as do over the counter medicines.

Ibuprofen is linked to heart failure (very small numbers) but people still take it for toothache, something they can easily recover from.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sat 17 Apr 10:41

Sorry Berry never noticed your edit and just wanted to add this.


"There are many people out there who were perfectly healthy, taken the vaccine and have died as a result and reality is they may never have needed to take it and their life’s been cut short. No time for anti-vaxxers right enough.."

Can I just ask how do you know this? Not saying its not the case but how do you know they were perfectly healthy and didn`t have underlying health conditions? I had assumed PERHAPS WRONGLY (capitalised so people don`t take what I`m saying as gospel) that the younger people who have suffered from blood clots were getting the vaccine ahead of others in their age group because they had underlying health conditions that also put them at greater risk from covid or were health care workers.

We all hate poverty, war, and injustice.
Unlike the rest of you squares.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Sat 17 Apr 10:44

I find myself wondering what the critics would have said if those in charge had said back in November "we have multiple vaccines that are tested to the best extent we can and we are confident that they are safe but no, sorry, you can't make them available to the masses for x years until we have longer term test results available. You'll just need to stay in lockdown or suffer the consequences."
Of course the vaccine was rushed through. But it had to be and it was done with huge resources thrown at it because it was of global importance.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sat 17 Apr 10:54

Yeah totally get that TOWK, appreciate that with a large injection of cash and resources you can speed a process up.

Concerned by that, still a bit slightly to be honest, speeding the process was necessary but to keep to the same quality and standard and have the same detailed analysis on long term effects of the vaccine, I’m not convinced you can accommodate all within a condensed timescale but maybe that’s just me and my pessimism/lack of understanding of the E2E process.

Appreciate the need for speed but there will still be risks one would have to inherit doing it that way regardless of cash/resources you throw at it.

It’s just the anti-vaxxer comment that disgruntled me slightly. When countries are banning the use of AstraZenica and Australia not offering it to under 50’s now. To throw that out there i disagree with. AstraZenica is a vaccine that is being actively rolled out across the UK, my folks as well as many on here have taken it.

I don’t think folk should be criticised or bracketed in that manner because they have perfectly valid concerns nor should folks be criticised for taking it.

I’m not an anti-vaxxer, neither is my wife, we may end up taking it at some point, but we’ll not be rushing to the vaccination centre when the opportunity comes, we’ll wait until we’re comfortable and feel it’s the right thing to do. We’re paying quite close attention to the vaccine being developed here in Livingston and will be interested to see how that one pans out through the trials.

Somebody earlier alluded to the ‘if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it’ point, whilst that’s pretty generic/simplistic/flippant, it’s probably the category we fit in at the moment.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar  
Date:   Sat 17 Apr 10:58

I'd be interested to see the analysis between the percentage of folk who said this was a hoax compared with those who now distrust the vaccine

Wonder if there's a high level of overlap as everything should be distrusted.

Anyone seen any analysis?
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sat 17 Apr 11:07

Fair shout TOWK, should’ve really worded that a lot better. You will have a couple of buckets as you say:

Those with an underlying health condition, have taken the vaccine and passed away as a result. If they hadn’t taken it they very likely would still be with us now. I can see the other side of the coin don’t get me wrong.

Those that are health care workers, we know of a couple (not directly but through colleagues of ours) who have passed away shortly after the vaccine who had no health concerns. Not to say they were ‘perfectly healthy’ granted.

The end of the day there is a risk associated with any vaccine and it’s at a different rating to a number of categories and for some it’s high enough warrant taking it and for some it’s at a lower level where you can afford to take more time and think about it.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Parboiled  
Date:   Sat 17 Apr 11:32

Jab number two next Thursday.
I’m on 12 pills a day, two of them are blood thinners/anti clotters, ain’t I the lucky one ...

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Sat 17 Apr 12:02

Quote:

Berry, Sat 17 Apr 10:00
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There are many people out there who were perfectly healthy, taken the vaccine and have died as a result and reality is they may never have needed to take it and their life’s been cut short. No time for anti-vaxxers right enough..



There's also many people out there who think they're perfectly healthy, could catch covid, and have there life cut short.

No, I have absolutely no time for anti-vaxxers. I presume you have the same level of scepticism for paracetamol, ibuprofen, every other medicine you've ever been given?
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Sat 17 Apr 12:03

Quote:

ipswichpar, Sat 17 Apr 10:58

I'd be interested to see the analysis between the percentage of folk who said this was a hoax compared with those who now distrust the vaccine

Wonder if there's a high level of overlap as everything should be distrusted.

Anyone seen any analysis?


If we go on dafc.net there does seem to be a solid correlation to this exact train of thought, crazy.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Jeffery  
Date:   Sat 17 Apr 12:20

Quote:

Grant, Sat 17 Apr 12:03

Quote:

ipswichpar, Sat 17 Apr 10:58

I'd be interested to see the analysis between the percentage of folk who said this was a hoax compared with those who now distrust the vaccine

Wonder if there's a high level of overlap as everything should be distrusted.

Anyone seen any analysis?


If we go on dafc.net there does seem to be a solid correlation to this exact train of thought, crazy.


There are a lot of people who would say the sky isn't blue and the grass isn't green. Distrustful of anything they are told.

On the vaccine being 'rushed' I don't buy that.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Sat 17 Apr 13:33

Serious question Berry you’ve said a couple times many people have died because of the vaccine - where do you get this as people who have had the vaccine have died and there are links but not proven cause (eg to the blood clot but if you get Covid you are 8-10 times more likely to die of the blood clot than those who have had the vaccine) being investigated but I have not seen anywhere anything saying the vaccine was the cause so keen to read more.

It’s not a vaccine against death and when tens of millions are getting the vaccine people will continue to die.




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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Jbob  
Date:   Sat 17 Apr 14:13

Have had my second jab. Both Pfizer. No problems.

Have underlying health issues. Feel much
Unless folk have very good reason I view anti cavcerscas dangerous buffoons.

Bobs of the world unite
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sat 17 Apr 18:02

I think rushed through is what worries most folk .. but is maybe a misconception as we have learned and progressed from historical epidemics

Compare it to Chinese or Indian cooking .. The lab/kitchen has a base sauce that only has to be tweaked to satisfy the individual order .. the vaccine is similar they have the base and add the required antibody to repel the virus .. It is up to the individual to work out for themselves if the cure is deadlier than the disease

We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: BigJPar  
Date:   Sat 17 Apr 20:10

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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sat 17 Apr 21:15

Quote:

Berry, Sat 17 Apr 10:00

There are many people out there who were perfectly healthy, taken the vaccine and have died as a result and reality is they may never have needed to take it and their life’s been cut short. No time for anti-vaxxers right enough..


Berry, you're one of the most articulate and sensible posters on Dotnet, so what's with your use of the vague term "many"? How many "perfectly healthy" people have died as a direct result of being vaccinated? I suspect nobody knows the answer to that, but perhaps not nearly as many as the numbers who were apparently healthy but died after getting Covid-19.

I absolutely respect the right of every individual to make a personal choice with regard to vaccination, but there is a lot of conflicting information flying around. Looking at current UK stats, it is heartening to see how much better we're doing than other European countries with similar populations. Why is that? Better observance of Covid protocols? Perhaps. Or maybe it has something to do with the much greater proportion of people who have had the vaccine here?



Not your average Sunday League player.
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sat 17 Apr 21:45

GG, let myself down with the wording used in that one to be honest which I attempted to acknowledge in response to TOWK.

I clearly can’t accurately quantify nor assess everyones health status. ;-)
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 Re: The jag
Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sat 17 Apr 22:36

FWIW, I don’t doubt the vaccine has played a major contribution to the progress we’re making. Lockdowns obviously been the other major factor. All good news.

I just don’t think folk should be criticised or labelled anti-vaccine for having concerns. The vaccines have been rushed, that’s a fact, yes will have gone through all the protocols right enough but just some things I don’t think you can speed up by throwing cash and resource at it. Do they truly understand the long term effects of it, I’d say no. The argument could easily be used about contracting covid. You could catch it and have no symptoms/issues at all, I may have had it already and have no idea, alternatively it could seriously damage my health. This is why it’s a personal decision, need to measure the risk for yourselves.

AstraZenica is now limited use in Australia and Denmark have got rid of it and sure there will be others that follow suit in due course.

Johnson & Johnson has now been suspended whilst investigations are ongoing.

It’s only yesterday I seen Sky News advise of new government advice that has come out to say the vaccinations are safe for pregnant women to have (omitting Astra).

So I can understand why folk are concerned/reserved, deep down am I really concerned....probably not, odds are if I took it I’d be fine, but until the dust settles and all this noise goes away, I’ll wait it out as fortunately I’m in a position where I feel I could do that.

It would be good to understand thoroughly what is causing these blood clots for example.

Ofcourse if I catch it and goes south you could call me a stupid bugger and say ‘i told you so’ :)

As for conspiracy theories and illegalities previously with the companies that’s been discussed, I have no real association with that nor want to get involved, that is all over my head and this I promise is the last I’ll say about all this!

Post Edited (Sat 17 Apr 22:37)
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Topic Originator: Parfect68  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 05:53

Berry, I agree there is a massive difference between antivaxxers who propagate fear via willful misinformation and those that take a more cautious approach to trying to understand current available information and come to an informed decision. The doctor whose paper initiated the MMR furore (now totally discredited) and the antivaxxers who perpetuate myths about the MMR have caused a real public health issue with the re-emergence of mumps and measles when they were all but eradicated.

In the case of covid and the vaccine response, yes it was rushed, but in a way that buspasspar's metaphor describes quite well really, base carrier vaccines are well understood and its the tweaks and nuances that make it specific to covid that have been done quicker but still meeting all regulatory aspects, speed was helped by the massive amounts of money and resources thrown at it. What has been quickened, because of the impact of covid and the swamping of nhs wards with very sick people, exceeding icu and hdu capacity, is the phase 3 clinical trial part, which would normally be done in a few thousand people over a longer time period(possibly several years) before moving on to phase 4 of the trial which is use in the general population, at which point, there is always an understanding that serious side effects may emerge. Phase 3was sped up because of the devastating health impact (from covid and everything else ) of the pandemic.

Do I think there is a link between the vaccine and clotting? Yes, the nature of the "covid" component seems to evoke a response in the body system's which increases clotting risk, but on my understanding, at this time, the risk of this clotting issue is far far far higher with catching Covid itself, especially in the over 30's.
It may be that anyone of the vaccines is withdrawn in the future over safety concerns as we learn more, in the same way Vioxx(rofecoxib), an anti inflammatory, was withdrawn in 2004 after several years use, very successfully in some people, to control painful inflammatory conditions. It was withdrawn because if an increased link to heart attacks and strokes not identified at phase 3. All anti inflammatories can increase the risk of heart attack and stroke, but the risk with Vioxx was shown to be much higher and it was therefore withdrawn . People continue to use anti inflammatories such as ibuprofen and naproxen every day, despite the risks because they weigh up benefit v risk and decide their pain reduced quality of life is better using the meds.


So what do we know currently :
-the second wave over the winter was horrendous and there was very very sick people stretching the health service to the limits, mainly over 60s
-lockdown and better hygiene and mask wearing without doubt reduced the spread.
- since the vaccine role out the death toll has decreased, (mainly because we are in lockdown and stopping the spread) and also we have seen less people getting seriously sick when they catch it, BUT, the average age of those still getting really sick has lowered considerably, down into the 45-60age group, or younger, which reflects the groups that have not been vaccinated yet or only done over last few weeks.

The emerging evidence shows the vaccine may not stop you getting it all the time, though there is evidence of reduced transmission, and if you do get it, your risk of becoming seriously ill is significantly decreased. On balance I feel the vaccination route is the way to go to prevent endless lock down cycles, which would be required to control the virus in the population and reduce deaths.
In the interests of clarity and openness, I'm not a medic but am a healthcare professional and whilst I am definitely not an expert in this area, I'm trying to give balanced views /information on current available evidence.

Edited to add, if you have facebook follow Tom Fardon, consultant in nhs tayside (I think respiratory), excellent way to keep updated with recent evidence and a local angle.

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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 08:13

Excellent posts from Berry and Parfect68, above. I'd guessed Parfect was a health professional long before I finished reading his/her informative contribution.

I completely agree that there is a huge difference between those who are genuinely concerned and hesitant about coming forward for vaccination and ill informed antivaxxers who spread fear and doubt in the general population. It's a shame that some posters appear unable to distinguish between the two.

I'm encouraged by the success of the vaccination programme in this country, undoubtedly aided by a significant majority of the population adhering to the advice set out by scientists and health professionals and a greater uptake level. In France, for example, less than half the population is willing to be vaccinated, which suggests there may be significant levels of Covid there for some time to come.

Still and all, people have to be given the right to choose, although those who enjoy a foreign holiday may need to make a decision they're not entirely comfortable with. Those who are swithering may be convinced one way or the other, depending on what information they read and where it originates. I take a couple of pills a day for a mild health condition. My cardiologist said it was my choice. Studies show that those who take this medication are at a decreased risk of developing a life threatening disease. That's good enough for me.



Not your average Sunday League player.


Post Edited (Sun 18 Apr 10:41)
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 08:14

Good, balanced post. Thank you, parfect68




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Ron Atkinson - 1983


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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 08:26

Great post parfect 68

We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 13:42

Quote:

Berry, Sat 17 Apr 10:00

There’s a difference between anti-vaxxers and those unwilling to take a vaccine whilst they are still being banned from use across the world over the uncertainties.

Denmark are the first country in the EU to completely drop the AstraZenica version from their vaccine rollout.

Post on here not long ago about Australia not offering to under 50’s.

If you want to take the vaccine then you absolutely go for it just don’t criticise others for not taking it when their reasoning is as valid.

There are many people out there who were perfectly healthy, taken the vaccine and have died as a result and reality is they may never have needed to take it and their life’s been cut short. No time for anti-vaxxers right enough..


This, I'm not an anti vaxxer , I'm anti idiots telling me this one has been properly tested to make themselves feel better.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 14:15

I think you are the one trying to make themself feel better by saying they have not been properly tested.

We all hate poverty, war, and injustice.
Unlike the rest of you squares.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 15:00

Quote:

The One Who Knocks, Sun 18 Apr 14:15

I think you are the one trying to make themself feel better by saying they have not been properly tested.


They haven't and that's a fact, list the long term effects for me?
Part of proper testing is monitoring the long term effects....but I suppose that's what you lot are for.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.

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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 15:08

As long as it makes you feel better Rasta more power to you 👍

We all hate poverty, war, and injustice.
Unlike the rest of you squares.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 16:16

Quote:

Rastapari, Sun 18 Apr 15:00

Quote:

The One Who Knocks, Sun 18 Apr 14:15

I think you are the one trying to make themself feel better by saying they have not been properly tested.


They haven't and that's a fact, list the long term effects for me?
Part of proper testing is monitoring the long term effects....but I suppose that's what you lot are for.


The vaccine programme is constantly monitored, as are all vaccination programmes.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 16:25

Quote:

The One Who Knocks, Sun 18 Apr 15:08

As long as it makes you feel better Rasta more power to you 👍


🤣

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 16:29

Quote:

jake89, Sun 18 Apr 16:16

Quote:

Rastapari, Sun 18 Apr 15:00

Quote:

The One Who Knocks, Sun 18 Apr 14:15

I think you are the one trying to make themself feel better by saying they have not been properly tested.


They haven't and that's a fact, list the long term effects for me?
Part of proper testing is monitoring the long term effects....but I suppose that's what you lot are for.


The vaccine programme is constantly monitored, as are all vaccination programmes.


Then you'll be monitored, comforting.
Why is not OK for folks to "monitor" then, hell one the "vaccines" is experimental, I simply don't want to part of that experimental process.
Spin it anyway you want.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 18:39

Quote:

Rastapari, Sun 18 Apr 15:00

Quote:

The One Who Knocks, Sun 18 Apr 14:15

I think you are the one trying to make themself feel better by saying they have not been properly tested.


They haven't and that's a fact, list the long term effects for me?
Part of proper testing is monitoring the long term effects....but I suppose that's what you lot are for.


Rasta, how can we assess the long term effects of any vaccine, unless it's already been used for many years? In an ideal world, the vaccines would have been tested much more slowly and thoroughly, but the burgeoning pandemic numbers put a stop to that.

The contraceptive pill produces more cases of blood clotting the the Astra-Zenica but there doesn't appear to be much controversy about that. I wonder if that's because it only endangers women, but are they fully aware of the long term risk?



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Topic Originator: wee eck  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 18:52

Isn`t it the case that those who opt out of taking the vaccine can take comfort from the fact that, if sufficient numbers accept the vaccine, everyone will benefit from the level of herd immunity that will be achieved? As with so many things in life, minority actions can be tolerated as long as the majority act responsibly.

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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 19:46

G.G. like him or loathe him Rasta has been on the money from the beginning
He has warded off all contenders, pretenders and trolls
He has defended his corner with aplomb

Your comparison with the birth pill in terms of its duration versus the vaccine is probably one of your most silly senior moments ..you are comparing many years worth of pill stats versus very few months vaccine stats ...... just saying

We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 20:10

Quote:

Buspasspar, Sun 18 Apr 19:46

G.G. like him or loathe him Rasta has been on the money from the beginning
He has warded off all contenders, pretenders and trolls
He has defended his corner with aplomb

Your comparison with the birth pill in terms of its duration versus the vaccine is probably one of your most silly senior moments ..you are comparing many years worth of pill stats versus very few months vaccine stats ...... just saying


I've not been on top of all the arguments over the past year for various reasons but I don't agree with this. Each individual may want to have the right to make their own decisions. But I bet a lot of people who died who have taken their chance with the vaccine.

It's easy to fling mud at the approach from any angle..But I trust medics a lot more than politicians.

Very sad to see any deaths no matter what the reason :(
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Topic Originator: JTH123  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 20:40

Buspasspar. I'll have a pint of what you're drinking.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 20:47

Quote:

Buspasspar, Sun 18 Apr 19:46

G.G. like him or loathe him Rasta has been on the money from the beginning
He has warded off all contenders, pretenders and trolls
He has defended his corner with aplomb

Your comparison with the birth pill in terms of its duration versus the vaccine is probably one of your most silly senior moments ..you are comparing many years worth of pill stats versus very few months vaccine stats ...... just saying


Absolute nonsense

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 21:01

Buspass! I was taking a sip of tea when I read your last post!! About choked. 😂

We all hate poverty, war, and injustice.
Unlike the rest of you squares.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 18 Apr 22:04

Not sure your point, Rasta. Are you suggesting PHS should not monitor the vaccination programme it leads on?
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Topic Originator: GG Riva  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 07:47

Quote:

Buspasspar, Sun 18 Apr 19:46

G.G. like him or loathe him Rasta has been on the money from the beginning
He has warded off all contenders, pretenders and trolls
He has defended his corner with aplomb

Your comparison with the birth pill in terms of its duration versus the vaccine is probably one of your most silly senior moments ..you are comparing many years worth of pill stats versus very few months vaccine stats ...... just saying


Ah cannae get ma heid roond that, has Mrs BPP been spiking yir bedtime cocoa? 😉



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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 08:27

Aye G.G. LOL

We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 10:54

Quote:

Rastapari, Sun 18 Apr 13:42

Quote:

Berry, Sat 17 Apr 10:00

There’s a difference between anti-vaxxers and those unwilling to take a vaccine whilst they are still being banned from use across the world over the uncertainties.

Denmark are the first country in the EU to completely drop the AstraZenica version from their vaccine rollout.

Post on here not long ago about Australia not offering to under 50’s.

If you want to take the vaccine then you absolutely go for it just don’t criticise others for not taking it when their reasoning is as valid.

There are many people out there who were perfectly healthy, taken the vaccine and have died as a result and reality is they may never have needed to take it and their life’s been cut short. No time for anti-vaxxers right enough..


This, I'm not an anti vaxxer , I'm anti idiots telling me this one has been properly tested to make themselves feel better.



Fair enough.

I reckon it's fair that you should stay in lockdown then for as long as you think it should have taken for this to be tested "properly", fair?
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 12:25

Quote:

Rastapari, Sun 18 Apr 15:00

Quote:

The One Who Knocks, Sun 18 Apr 14:15

I think you are the one trying to make themself feel better by saying they have not been properly tested.


They haven't and that's a fact, list the long term effects for me?
Part of proper testing is monitoring the long term effects....but I suppose that's what you lot are for.


Seems to have improved my golf swing so bring on the second dose. 😉

Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 17:58

India on the red list from Friday. Cue thousands of Indian people rushing to beat the deadline.
Does this government ever learn any lessons ?




It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 18:04

70 odd cases already identified in UK as of yesterday and not all had travelled to India from what I heard yesterday
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 18:31

Quote:

ipswichpar, Mon 19 Apr 18:04

70 odd cases already identified in UK as of yesterday and not all had travelled to India from what I heard yesterday


100+ cases being reported!
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 19:16

Quote:

ipswichpar, Mon 19 Apr 18:04

70 odd cases already identified in UK as of yesterday and not all had travelled to India from what I heard yesterday


Just needs some?




It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 22:11

https://apple.news/AjpLd7KSOTC6Onnm-nrJtkQ




It's bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Mon 19 Apr 23:40

Quote:

Raymie the Legend, Mon 19 Apr 22:11

https://apple.news/AjpLd7KSOTC6Onnm-nrJtkQ

Link sorted


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Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Tue 20 Apr 02:33

This shows what most of us probably have suspected all along, that flying (especially on long flights) significantly increases your risk of exposure.

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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 21 Apr 07:36

Quote:

jake89, Sun 18 Apr 22:04

Not sure your point, Rasta. Are you suggesting PHS should not monitor the vaccination programme it leads on?


Oh dear god.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 21 Apr 07:38

Quote:

Raymie the Legend, Mon 19 Apr 17:58

India on the red list from Friday. Cue thousands of Indian people rushing to beat the deadline.
Does this government ever learn any lessons ?


Or, we could learn it suits them, another lockdown, another round of billions stolen, they know what they're doing.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 21 Apr 08:25

Quote:

Rastapari, Wed 21 Apr 07:36

Quote:

jake89, Sun 18 Apr 22:04

Not sure your point, Rasta. Are you suggesting PHS should not monitor the vaccination programme it leads on?


Oh dear god.


Not able to answer the question?
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Wed 21 Apr 15:17

Quote:

jake89, Wed 21 Apr 08:25

Quote:

Rastapari, Wed 21 Apr 07:36

Quote:

jake89, Sun 18 Apr 22:04

Not sure your point, Rasta. Are you suggesting PHS should not monitor the vaccination programme it leads on?


Oh dear god.


Not able to answer the question?


I'm suggesting you read before respond.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Wed 21 Apr 18:10

I have. Can you answer my question?
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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Thu 22 Apr 06:02

Quote:

Rastapari, Wed 21 Apr 07:38

Quote:

Raymie the Legend, Mon 19 Apr 17:58

India on the red list from Friday. Cue thousands of Indian people rushing to beat the deadline.
Does this government ever learn any lessons ?


Or, we could learn it suits them, another lockdown, another round of billions stolen, they know what they're doing.




Not a conspiracy theorist.
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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Thu 22 Apr 07:19

Quote:

Grant, Thu 22 Apr 06:02

Quote:

Rastapari, Wed 21 Apr 07:38

Quote:

Raymie the Legend, Mon 19 Apr 17:58

India on the red list from Friday. Cue thousands of Indian people rushing to beat the deadline.
Does this government ever learn any lessons ?


Or, we could learn it suits them, another lockdown, another round of billions stolen, they know what they're doing.




Not a conspiracy theorist.


To be fair it’s only a conspiracy if you try and hide it and the tidies are barely trying to do that anymore.

Suggesting there is a Great Reset or that the purpose of the vaccine is to rewrite your DNA which Rasta has quoted on these threads - now they are conspiracy theories


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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 23 Apr 11:57

Quote:

Grant, Thu 22 Apr 06:02

Quote:

Rastapari, Wed 21 Apr 07:38

Quote:

Raymie the Legend, Mon 19 Apr 17:58

India on the red list from Friday. Cue thousands of Indian people rushing to beat the deadline.
Does this government ever learn any lessons ?


Or, we could learn it suits them, another lockdown, another round of billions stolen, they know what they're doing.




Not a conspiracy theorist.


So you're saying that certain sections of government and their cronies have not taken billions during the pandemic, you think 47 billion on essentially a spreadsheet isn't theft, contracts to mates all over the place isn't corruption, it's all just the imagination of conspiracy theorists?
Hilarious, you're out there like.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Fri 23 Apr 11:59

Quote:

P, Thu 22 Apr 07:19

Quote:

Grant, Thu 22 Apr 06:02

Quote:

Rastapari, Wed 21 Apr 07:38

Quote:

Raymie the Legend, Mon 19 Apr 17:58

India on the red list from Friday. Cue thousands of Indian people rushing to beat the deadline.
Does this government ever learn any lessons ?


Or, we could learn it suits them, another lockdown, another round of billions stolen, they know what they're doing.




Not a conspiracy theorist.


To be fair it’s only a conspiracy if you try and hide it and the tidies are barely trying to do that anymore.

Suggesting there is a Great Reset or that the purpose of the vaccine is to rewrite your DNA which Rasta has quoted on these threads - now they are conspiracy theories


Now now don't misquote, I didn't say the Great Reset was about dna at all, don't lie.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Fri 23 Apr 12:57

Wilful misinterpretation there - clearly the `or` means the post refers to 2 different things. Here is the post on alters DNA for example;

Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 16 Feb 14:42

Quote:

GG Riva, Sun 14 Feb 11:13

Quote:

OzPar, Sun 14 Feb 10:31

Here`s an interesting article in the New York magazine that should give us all a fair bit of hope about the vaccine. It is really encouraging news...


https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/02/will-covid-vaccine-work-uk-strain-south-africa-herd-immunity.html


That is encouraging, Oz. I`ve heard that the latest claim doing the rounds on Facebook etc, is that you should steer clear of these vaccines as they will alter your DNA. 😃


Maybe look into before you laugh, kinda the point of the Pfizer vaccine.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.



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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Fri 23 Apr 17:45

Only it kinda doesn`t. And by kinda I mean not at all.
https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/will-mrna-vaccine-alter-my-dna

Numerous other sources available on the subject.



Post Edited (Fri 23 Apr 17:45)
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Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Fri 23 Apr 18:44

Well I am patiently waiting on my 1st vaccine letter to come. I’ll be right over to get
I don’t normally watch the news but caught a bit tonight and look at India. Folk lying on floors, can’t get into hospitals as their full and one hospital caught fire.
I can see easily over 1 million deaths and more due to covid.



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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 24 Apr 11:55

There are certain markers over the next few months/year that if hit, I hope you test subjects have the good grace to keep your distance from us healthy untouched folks....

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 24 Apr 11:56

Quote:

The One Who Knocks, Fri 23 Apr 17:45

Only it kinda doesn`t. And by kinda I mean not at all.
https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/will-mrna-vaccine-alter-my-dna

Numerous other sources available on the subject.



We'll see.....

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak  
Date:   Sat 24 Apr 12:05

Quote:

Rastapari, Sat 24 Apr 11:55

There are certain markers over the next few months/year that if hit, I hope you test subjects have the good grace to keep your distance from us healthy untouched folks....


Can you enlighten me as to what these markers are? Just so as I know when I should start keeping my distance from the health untouched folks.
Wouldn't want to be selfish and put other folks at risk, would I? 😊
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Topic Originator: Parfect68  
Date:   Sat 24 Apr 14:05

Quote:

Rastapari, Sat 24 Apr 11:55

There are certain markers over the next few months/year that if hit, I hope you test subjects have the good grace to keep your distance from us healthy untouched folks....


Rasta, a plea. To help with informed debate can you please post links or be more specific about what you are referring to so we can do our own research. For someone who has shared /been open about their own mental health you show a blatant disregard or lack of awareness that your cryptic posts can have on other's mental or physical health.
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Topic Originator: dd23  
Date:   Sat 24 Apr 14:46

Not to mention all his insulting, belittling and down right nasty comments to those who disagree with him.
There’s no need for that mate. Someone as eloquent as you can put your point across in a far more positive manner. All the best.
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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sat 24 Apr 16:15

Can't post links to things that simply are not backed by an data or research. It would be worthwhile looking at the Public Health Scotland COVID-19 research repository. It's got the COVID research from lots of Scotland's academics. Don't have the link but worth googling.
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Topic Originator: OzPar  
Date:   Sat 24 Apr 18:27

[Not to mention all his insulting, belittling and down right nasty comments to those who disagree with him. There’s no need for that mate.]


Yes, I quite agree. I find Rasta`s sneering contempt for opinions that don`t fit with his world view quite irritating. In truth, if he were to say some of the things that he does to people on here in the flesh, it is guaranteed that he would be lying on the floor with a blood-soaked broken nose.

We are all Pars fans, Rasta. Show some respect.

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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Sat 24 Apr 23:02

Quote:

Rastapari, Sat 24 Apr 11:55

There are certain markers over the next few months/year that if hit, I hope you test subjects have the good grace to keep your distance from us healthy untouched folks....


Oh we'll be keeping our distance from you alright

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: BigJPar  
Date:   Sun 25 Apr 15:56

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Sun 25 Apr 17:02

I'm sure he would. Rasta sticks to his guns. I see it as belief in what he's saying rather than sneering.
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Topic Originator: Berry  
Date:   Sun 25 Apr 17:16

Think the thread has run it’s course now in all honesty.

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Topic Originator: Parfect68  
Date:   Sun 25 Apr 17:42

Quote:

Berry, Sun 25 Apr 17:16

Think the thread has run it’s course now in all honesty.


I think it's important that people feel they are able to talk about the jag and ask the questions they want to know. It's also important to be able to discuss different viewpoints courteously and with respect. I agree this thread is not helpful at the moment as it has been driven off tangent because certain opinions are given as fact without provision of information to help people assimilate the info they are told and make their minds up. Discussion boards are useful as we can't all be looking at all the info all the time and collective research works, with respectful discussion. Admin close the thread if you think appropriate but it would be fair to start a new one and request respectful debate.
What is being alluded to might be true, I've no idea as I can't weight up the information. Covid, the jags, the long term effects of covid or the lockdown is all still in its early stages and we're trying to understand. Best we can say is what we know at any point in time and look at the evidence that supports that.

Edited to add a good source of some info. https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/

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Topic Originator: EastEndBoy  
Date:   Mon 26 Apr 15:19

Seeing and reading the news coming from India is quite disturbing. Perhaps a tale of what could have been here without lockdowns and free, well equipped health care?

It makes you wonder what the lockdown/covid sceptics think is happening actually happening there?

...ken?
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle  
Date:   Mon 26 Apr 18:59

Brazil has been carnage for weeks and weeks now, mostly due to central government being dead set against taking any measures. I suppose once this is over we can compare and contrast the different outcomes in each country, and see if the excess deaths are worth it.

This is my signature
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Topic Originator: dd23  
Date:   Mon 26 Apr 19:13

I work with a few Indians and all of them know people who have died, two good friends of one has and another’s brother is on a ventilator with his oxygen levels dropping daily.

It’s real.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Mon 26 Apr 19:16

A wee heads up guys… those waiting for their 2nd jag … it would appear your appointment has been made but no letter to confirm … I phoned the help line tonight and sure enough me and Mrs BPP are down for the 1st May … Unfortunately Mrs BPP has a round trip of 104 miles and me 44 miles same day different times … The wee Lassie at the help line was superb … she got us both in at a Hospital 8 miles up the road same day same time on the 11th May … 0800 030 8013 .. option 2

We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Tue 27 Apr 08:11

Laugh all you like, I'm not the experiment here, you are.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Tue 27 Apr 09:08

Quote:

Rastapari, Tue 27 Apr 08:11

Laugh all you like, I'm not the experiment here, you are.


India

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks  
Date:   Tue 27 Apr 12:30

We`re all part of the experiment even if you haven`t been vaccinated.

We all hate poverty, war, and injustice.
Unlike the rest of you squares.
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar  
Date:   Tue 27 Apr 18:00

Bus pass. My neighbors wife and I got ours at the new college. I got mine on Easter Sunday, the place was very quiet. Personally I want the passport that has been talked about. We have 2 cruises booked for the end of the year and can't wait to get away.

matt forsyth
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert  
Date:   Wed 28 Apr 14:06

Blue envelope dropped through the door this morning, second jag next Tuesday 4th.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar  
Date:   Wed 28 Apr 16:06

Yes eeap my Pal from Kincardine got his there today as well He says it was very well organised

We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Grant  
Date:   Thu 29 Apr 11:07

Quote:

Rastapari, Tue 27 Apr 08:11

Laugh all you like, I'm not the experiment here, you are.



What do you reckon about India?
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Topic Originator: da_no_1  
Date:   Thu 29 Apr 11:37

Quote:

Grant, Thu 29 Apr 11:07

Quote:

Rastapari, Tue 27 Apr 08:11

Laugh all you like, I'm not the experiment here, you are.



What do you reckon about India?


He doesn't reply when he can't

"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Thu 29 Apr 12:58

They are quite keen on Covid conspiracy theories in India - so sad that the spread of fear and misinformation can have such dire consequences

[url/] https://m.timesofindia.com/india/to-these-indians-covid-19-is-not-a-pandemic-but-a-scam/articleshow/81931754.cms


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Topic Originator: widtink  
Date:   Thu 29 Apr 19:11

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P, Thu 29 Apr 12:58

They are quite keen on Covid conspiracy theories in India - so sad that the spread of fear and misinformation can have such dire consequences

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/to-these-indians-covid-19-is-not-a-pandemic-but-a-scam/articleshow/81931754.cms

If you put the / before the last url instead of after the first url... The link will work.


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Topic Originator: P  
Date:   Thu 29 Apr 19:18

Ah. Hopefully a simplified option is in the post?


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Topic Originator: EEP  
Date:   Thu 29 Apr 21:58

Tbh Rasta has been spot on regarding what is going on in Britain.... I’ll still take my vaccine though!

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Topic Originator: BigJPar  
Date:   Thu 29 Apr 22:52

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 30 Apr 07:22

He's a guy with an opinion. No different to everyone else. Some things he is right on, some of things he's wrong on. No different to everyone else.

The thing everyone needs to be careful of is spreading misinformation. As silly as it may sound, these are potential life or death situations.

There's plenty research and support available for anyone concerned about the vaccines. For what it's worth, I know many people who have had their first dose and a few who have now had their second. Some side effects but generally fine. This will be of little comfort to those who may have suffered fatal side effects, but hopefully reassures some people who may be (rightly) nervous about the vaccine.
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Topic Originator: BigJPar  
Date:   Fri 30 Apr 08:08

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Topic Originator: jake89  
Date:   Fri 30 Apr 14:30

There's an element of exaggeration but not necessarily misinformation. For example, some people say "untested" whereas they really mean it's not been tested over a long period of time, where you would be more likely to uncover issues/risks.

These vaccines aren't brand new. They're built on the foundation of existing, well tested vaccines. That doesn't mean there aren't risk though.
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Topic Originator: Pars232  
Date:   Fri 30 Apr 15:56

Completely agree with you Jake. Using the right words to express ourselves can be challenging.

We all take risks everyday and decide which ones are right for us. Of course that’s okay.

It’s easy to retaliate when we don’t agree with each others opinions or with the risks we deem to take. That’s not so okay. Let’s cut each other a bit of slack and support each other a little more whatever decisions we chose to make.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari  
Date:   Sat 1 May 08:12

Quote:

da_no_1, Tue 27 Apr 09:08

Quote:

Rastapari, Tue 27 Apr 08:11

Laugh all you like, I'm not the experiment here, you are.


India


India?
Have you looked at the actual figures,I think not.

Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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