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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 24 Sep 17:27
Not sure if the insanity has reached Scotland but it would appear there are queues for petrol down south following a remark about potential shortages over winter.
Wondering if these people filling up today now plan to leave their cars on the driveway for the next couple of months until the potential shortages hits. 🤦♂️
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 24 Sep 17:27
Quote:
jake89, Fri 24 Sep 17:27
Not sure if the insanity has reached Scotland but it would appear there are queues for petrol down south following a remark about potential shortages over winter.
Wondering if these people filling up today now plan to leave their cars on the driveway for the next couple of months until the potential shortages hits. 🤦♂️
Yes it's here.....
People are stupid, unbearably stupid.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 24 Sep 19:02
The way it's all over social media it's hardly a surprise and as usual folk believe everything they read online
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 24 Sep 19:04
I saw a guy filling up a big can with diesel. Massive one. I thought it was 2.5 and 5l only.
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Topic Originator: EEP
Date: Fri 24 Sep 19:07
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 24 Sep 19:37
I'm genuinely on the red so do need to fill up. Luckily have a second car so no real issue but could be for some. Absolute eejits.
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Topic Originator: JnrB
Date: Fri 24 Sep 19:54
Just went passed the shell garage in rosyth and each pump was 4 cars deep at this time on a Friday night.
Honest to (insert sweaty word here) people really are muppets.
I’ll need to fill up after work tomorrow, thankfully I finish at 3am so should be nice and quiet.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Fri 24 Sep 20:21
Absolute morons. It’s like a scene from Mad Max
There’s a photo on Facebook of a guy in Rosyth filling 5 cans, yes 5.
What is wrong with people ?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Fri 24 Sep 20:29
You can only fill up the tank in your car!
Is not like you can't stock pile four or five car loads FFS
Maybe people have places to go, commitments that they want to keep and want to make sure they're set - nothing wrong with that
I'm running on fumes at the minute and probably have enough to get to a petrol station but no further, does that make me an idiot if I try to fill up ?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 24 Sep 20:31
Quote:
DBP, Fri 24 Sep 20:29
You can only fill up the tank in your car!
Is not like you can't stock pile four or five car loads FFS
Maybe people have places to go, commitments that they want to keep and want to make sure they're set - nothing wrong with that
I'm running on fumes at the minute and probably have enough to get to a petrol station but no further, does that make me an idiot if I try to fill up ?
No. I'm the same. These bellends clearly aren't running on fumes though and are going along with cans to fill up.
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Fri 24 Sep 21:22
Quote:
jake89, Fri 24 Sep 20:31
Quote:
DBP, Fri 24 Sep 20:29
You can only fill up the tank in your car!
Is not like you can't stock pile four or five car loads FFS
Maybe people have places to go, commitments that they want to keep and want to make sure they're set - nothing wrong with that
I'm running on fumes at the minute and probably have enough to get to a petrol station but no further, does that make me an idiot if I try to fill up ?
No. I'm the same. These bellends clearly aren't running on fumes though and are going along with cans to fill up.
I had to fill up tonight as I was running on red. Do it most Friday nights. Just having a look around, it was very clear who the panic merchants were. I'm sure they are completely unaware that they're causing the issue!
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 24 Sep 21:24
The thing is petrol stations are running out! Now that`s only because people are panic buying but if you need petrol in your car/van now or during the weekend what are you going to do? Hope that it`s all fine tomorrow or join a queue today?
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: JnrB
Date: Fri 24 Sep 21:40
Same as what happened at the start of the pandemic. Muppets panic buying in the shops which the in turn meant there was a shortage of certain products. If folk just carried on as normal there would be no issue.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Fri 24 Sep 21:44
Could this be the one thing that brings us all together?
I agree with all of the above! ;-)
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Fri 24 Sep 22:06
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Fri 24 Sep 20:21
Absolute morons. It’s like a scene from Mad Max
There’s a photo on Facebook of a guy in Rosyth filling 5 cans, yes 5.
What is wrong with people ?
Like I have expressed elsewhere, easily influenced.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Fri 24 Sep 22:18
Quote:
JnrB, Fri 24 Sep 19:54
Just went passed the shell garage in rosyth and each pump was 4 cars deep at this time on a Friday night.
Honest to (insert sweaty word here) people really are muppets.
I’ll need to fill up after work tomorrow, thankfully I finish at 3am so should be nice and quiet.
I was there about an hour ago on my way home from work as I was running on fumes.... Had to wait about 10 mins to get to the pump
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 25 Sep 05:45
Quote:
widtink, Fri 24 Sep 22:18
Quote:
JnrB, Fri 24 Sep 19:54
Just went passed the shell garage in rosyth and each pump was 4 cars deep at this time on a Friday night.
Honest to (insert sweaty word here) people really are muppets.
I’ll need to fill up after work tomorrow, thankfully I finish at 3am so should be nice and quiet.
I was there about an hour ago on my way home from work as I was running on fumes.... Had to wait about 10 mins to get to the pump
I believe it's referred to as "foreplay".
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sat 25 Sep 06:56
Mrs Riva and I went for a walk around Calais Woods, to avoid the strong winds, yesterday and parked in Aldi's. (Very naughty, I know. ) Couldn't believe the queues when we left at 3.30. Both roundabouts near TESCO were blocked by folk going to fill up. We wondered if this was a normal occurrence for a Friday pm.
Absolutely crazy.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 25 Sep 07:55
When you hear Grant Shapps saying "don't panic" then you can be pretty sure that there is only going to be one outcome.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sat 25 Sep 08:48
👏👏 well done Jake. Nearly spat out my cereal after the first 4 words of GGs post that followed.
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Topic Originator: Frank Butchers LoveHandles
Date: Sat 25 Sep 09:19
We were out with the wee one yesterday for a walk and the petrol station at Tesco Duloch was complete pandemonium. We are a nation of absolute halfwits.
Awight Pat!
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Sat 25 Sep 09:29
With many of the petrol stations now dry those halfwits are now sitting with a tank of juice in their car.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Sat 25 Sep 11:25
Quote:
jake89, Sat 25 Sep 05:45
Quote:
widtink, Fri 24 Sep 22:18
Quote:
JnrB, Fri 24 Sep 19:54
Just went passed the shell garage in rosyth and each pump was 4 cars deep at this time on a Friday night.
Honest to (insert sweaty word here) people really are muppets.
I’ll need to fill up after work tomorrow, thankfully I finish at 3am so should be nice and quiet.
I was there about an hour ago on my way home from work as I was running on fumes.... Had to wait about 10 mins to get to the pump
I believe it's referred to as "foreplay".
And here's me thinking it was forecourt.... Ye live and learn 🤣
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 25 Sep 11:41
"Forecourtplay" 😉
I was at Aldi earlier and it didn't look too bad but it doesn't take much to block everything up at Duloch Tesco.
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Sat 25 Sep 14:04
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Topic Originator: dave67
Date: Sun 26 Sep 00:07
UK government just needs to do a mini lock down for a couple of days.
Give drivers time to get round the stations
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 26 Sep 09:34
I'm about to go and get some (because I'm on the red). Wish me luck!
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 26 Sep 10:18
Report back please, Jake?
I’m ok for now, so hopefully once all the nutters have filled up every receptacle they can over the weekend, we might get back to normal by next weekend ?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 26 Sep 10:25
Fine at Duloch Tesco this morning. No queue and all but one pump open. No idiots with cans either.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 26 Sep 10:41
Good news.
I’m away to buy 100 toilet rolls and 50 packs of pasta now
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 26 Sep 12:12
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sun 26 Sep 10:41
Good news.
I’m away to buy 100 toilet rolls and 50 packs of pasta now
After 50 packs of pasta you might need to go back for more bog roll Raymie
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: dave67
Date: Sun 26 Sep 15:08
Diesel now available at Tesco Sainsbury and Asda
It’s in the aftershave section
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Sun 26 Sep 15:15
Tesco had diesel at midday for info.
The fuel... Not the aftershave.
It was busy but not overly so
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 26 Sep 16:56
Quote:
JTH123, Sat 25 Sep 08:48
👏👏 well done Jake. Nearly spat out my cereal after the first 4 words of GGs post that followed.
Apologies, JTH. I'll edit my post to read "Me and the wife" or would you prefer "Me and 'er indoors"? 😄
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar
Date: Sun 26 Sep 17:50
2 months ago my wife let me buy another car. This time I bought a MG5, I recharge it at home. I can drive 100 miles on £4 of electricity, I was speaking to people at car show today, they were interested in me not having to queue for petrol. Yes I might have problems driving down to England but it was never bought for that. Do your homework before buying your next car, no road tax, cheap servicing and no queuing for fuel. Yes you have to charge it more however I get about 220 miles on a charge.
matt forsyth
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Topic Originator: JnrB
Date: Sun 26 Sep 18:42
I had a look into the electric market for my next car but it’s not really viable for myself.
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Sun 26 Sep 19:25
Plug-in hybrids are still worth considering. I can pootle around locally on electric, but can also do long distances without worrying about charging up.
This is my signature
Post Edited (Sun 26 Sep 19:26)
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 26 Sep 19:38
eep .. did you have to install a charging point outside your house or does it just plug in beside the toaster with an extension cable ? .. Also can you charge it for free at certain locations ? ..might sound a daft question but don`t know anything about them
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 26 Sep 19:45
Would imagine it’s not an option for people that live in flats?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Sun 26 Sep 20:34
Quote:
Buspasspar, Sun 26 Sep 19:38
eep .. did you have to install a charging point outside your house or does it just plug in beside the toaster with an extension cable ? .. Also can you charge it for free at certain locations ? ..might sound a daft question but don`t know anything about them
I have read the incidence of house fire has gone up with electric car charging. If I were to get a car I would certainly recommend getting a sparky to check out the current draw and also the electrical design that would support the car charging.
Better to be safe than sorry.
Post Edited (Sun 26 Sep 20:35)
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Sun 26 Sep 20:52
Quote:
parsmad68, Sun 26 Sep 20:34
Quote:
Buspasspar, Sun 26 Sep 19:38
eep .. did you have to install a charging point outside your house or does it just plug in beside the toaster with an extension cable ? .. Also can you charge it for free at certain locations ? ..might sound a daft question but don`t know anything about them
I have read the incidence of house fire has gone up with electric car charging. If I were to get a car I would certainly recommend getting a sparky to check out the current draw and also the electrical design that would support the car charging.
Better to be safe than sorry.
I got a domestic charge point installed (with £800 towards the £1400 cost in grants), and it involved installing a second consumer unit just for the charge point.
This is my signature
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Topic Originator: allparone
Date: Sun 26 Sep 20:58
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sun 26 Sep 19:45
Would imagine it’s not an option for people that live in flats?
Or for people without drives who have to park on public roads.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Sun 26 Sep 22:12
Quote:
allparone, Sun 26 Sep 20:58
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sun 26 Sep 19:45
Would imagine it’s not an option for people that live in flats?
Or for people without drives who have to park on public roads.
This becomes less of the case as range increases. For example the Mach-E suggests 379 and Long Range Tesla Model S is 412.
These numbers are seldom the real world case but even if you call them both 300 you would charge them up at a public charge point (which are getting faster and faster) and 300 miles would do a fair while. With Covid I’ve done 4,000 in 18 months so 300 miles would last a month and a half. As journeys increase you’re still talking weeks.
Public charge points are increasingly common too so chances are wherever you are going you will have somewhere that you can plug in so you don’t have to go massively out of your way.
People don’t have petrol stations in their garden so ‘filling up’ is not a new idea. I’ve ordered a Taycan Cross Turismo, - for those 0% to go to 80% charge the time taken is 22 minutes on rapid chargers or 40 minutes on the more common ones.
The technology is moving fast so the range and charge times are improving all the time and the entry level pricing of cars are becoming more realistic too.
Course you still have the lithium mining worries but even then multiple new and alternative types of battery are being developed.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Sun 26 Sep 22:24
Might consider a Tesla in a year or so time P, but the bit that bothers me is that the number of new electric cars hitting the road every month is much more than the number of charging points being installed.
You're right about filling up not being anything new of course but I can pull into a petrol station with 12 pumps and put enough petrol in my car to cover 750 miles in about 5 mins.
If I pull into a mway service station with a few charging stations and join a queue of similar cars then I'm in for a very long wait.
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Sun 26 Sep 22:24
So,how much do you pay for an electric car ?No way ,would I pay their prices,no way would you get your money back.Absolute rip off.Rather run a petrol car.
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Topic Originator: JnrB
Date: Sun 26 Sep 22:51
Well a new Tesla model S starts at £75k…… soooooooo
Post Edited (Sun 26 Sep 22:52)
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 26 Sep 22:54
That’s not affordable for the majority
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 26 Sep 22:57
Electric and hydrogen cars just shift the problem. We've got too many cars on the road and too many people taking the car for a short trip.
I remember going back to where I was brought up and couldn't believe the number of parked cars on the road. It had only been 15 years but the place had gone from 2 cars being an exception to being the norm. All these lease deals have made cars far too accessible.
Furthermore, too many good cars are being scrapped. All these new cars filled with precious metals and microprocessors replacing basic motoring - hardly environmentally friendly! You'll notice just now that the second hand market is ridiculous. This is because there's a backlog of cars as there's a global shortage of microchips. Might also notice that BCA don't sell to non-trade now. They send you to our league sponsor.
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Mon 27 Sep 00:22
Quote:
jake89, Sun 26 Sep 22:57
Electric and hydrogen cars just shift the problem. We've got too many cars on the road and too many people taking the car for a short trip.
I remember going back to where I was brought up and couldn't believe the number of parked cars on the road. It had only been 15 years but the place had gone from 2 cars being an exception to being the norm. All these lease deals have made cars far too accessible.
Furthermore, too many good cars are being scrapped. All these new cars filled with precious metals and microprocessors replacing basic motoring - hardly environmentally friendly! You'll notice just now that the second hand market is ridiculous. This is because there's a backlog of cars as there's a global shortage of microchips. Might also notice that BCA don't sell to non-trade now. They send you to our league sponsor.
What's your answer, Jake?
It bemuses me somewhat where our society is at. Sat in Starbucks this afternoon for a while observing the huge, constant, drive-thru queue. I'm assuming the vast majority were local. I wonder how many made that trip exclusively for a coffee.
This is my signature
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Mon 27 Sep 02:39
Quote:
JnrB, Sun 26 Sep 22:51
Well a new Tesla model S starts at £75k…… soooooooo
Post Edited (Sun 26 Sep 22:52)
Skoda Citigo is£15k but only 135 miles, MG5 is £25k with a range of 250 miles so while still expensive prices are reducing
…and as has been pointed out lease deals can be low.
Also in Scotland you can get a government backed interest free loan for a new or used EV
Post Edited (Mon 27 Sep 02:43)
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Mon 27 Sep 06:44
Well that is the fuel crisis starting to bite. My daughter is an essential care worker and can only run this morning’s shift and she is off the road due to no fuel. Seems like reality will bite this week unless there is a change today. Good work Bojo!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 27 Sep 07:00
Good work the people of Britain being absolute morons , ignoring advice not to panic buy and doing exactly that?
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Mon 27 Sep 07:00)
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 27 Sep 08:02
Quote:
parsmad68, Mon 27 Sep 06:44
Well that is the fuel crisis starting to bite. My daughter is an essential care worker and can only run this morning’s shift and she is off the road due to no fuel. Seems like reality will bite this week unless there is a change today. Good work Bojo!
Is she local? Duloch Tesco definitely had fuel yesterday.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Mon 27 Sep 08:15
Glenrothes. Absolutely zero here this morning.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 27 Sep 08:17
Idiots. Passed a guy at Saturday at a very small fuel place in a small village. Flat bed van and he was filling up 6 or 8 big containers (they looked like 30 litre ones)
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 27 Sep 09:07
Why are the retailers allowing this kind of behaviour?
Why are they not capping at £30 a vehicle?
Greed?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 27 Sep 09:52
Imagine it's easier said than done. EG have limited their petrol. They own ASDA so it may be the same there.
Then there's the anger. It said on the news that some forecourts have had to hire security due to threats to staff.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 27 Sep 10:18
"Glenrothes. Absolutely zero here this morning"
I passed 4 garages in Kirkcaldy this morning, all looked open as normal with hardly any queues
Post Edited (Mon 27 Sep 10:18)
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Mon 27 Sep 10:39
The fact is being an idiot has paid off. When you seen the queues on Friday we all had a choice to make. At some point attempt to get petrol and if necessary join the queue or roll the dice and try and get petrol as you would normally do. People shouldn`t have been panic buying to start with but you really have to be pragmatic about it and once you know that these buyers are going to be taking up all the fuel and that you need to join them.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: allparone
Date: Mon 27 Sep 11:16
I’ve been out and about all weekend and have yet to see a queue at a petrol station or any signs saying they have ran out. If it wasn’t for the media reporting I wouldn’t have a clue it was happening. Even the BBC reporter this morning was at a garage with plenty of fuel and no queue.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 27 Sep 11:32
Only queue i have seen was Asda Dunbar but that is always busy as it is cheaper than elsewhere
Tesco North Berwick operating as normal no queues
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 27 Sep 11:48
"If it wasn’t for the media reporting I wouldn’t have a clue it was happening. Even the BBC reporter this morning was at a garage with plenty of fuel and no queue."
They had reporters standing around like spare pr1cks on every channel this morning. Ridiculous.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Mon 27 Sep 11:55
Quote:
allparone, Mon 27 Sep 11:16
I’ve been out and about all weekend and have yet to see a queue at a petrol station or any signs saying they have ran out. If it wasn’t for the media reporting I wouldn’t have a clue it was happening. Even the BBC reporter this morning was at a garage with plenty of fuel and no queue.
Should have come to Glenrothes. It would have been a scoop for them as we had zero this morning.
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Mon 27 Sep 12:45
Quote:
twin par, Sun 26 Sep 22:24
So,how much do you pay for an electric car ?No way ,would I pay their prices,no way would you get your money back.Absolute rip off.Rather run a petrol car.
I can assure you that I couldn't afford a £75k car. I've not looked into the fine detail but I've been told I could get one as a company car and pay no more for it than my current car allowance after tax because of the low benefit in kind rate for electric cars.
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Topic Originator: JnrB
Date: Mon 27 Sep 12:50
That is for a top of the range model tbf. But yeah, electric vehicles do tend to be pricier than their fuel equivalent.
For my needs the technology isn’t quite there yet, for some people it can be an ideal mode of transport and save money in the long run after the initial outlay.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Mon 27 Sep 14:35
i think the thing with electric cars is that they`re great for the majority of what people do...
commuting 20miles there and back to edinburgh - fine
darting about the town, going to supermarket, nipping down to aberdour for a walk on the beach, etc - fine
the annual trip to down south or over to ireland on ferry to visit family - nope (but on those occasions i could just hire a car or take the train
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Mon 27 Sep 14:42
Quote:
JTH123, Mon 27 Sep 12:45
Quote:
twin par, Sun 26 Sep 22:24
So,how much do you pay for an electric car ?No way ,would I pay their prices,no way would you get your money back.Absolute rip off.Rather run a petrol car.
I can assure you that I couldn't afford a £75k car. I've not looked into the fine detail but I've been told I could get one as a company car and pay no more for it than my current car allowance after tax because of the low benefit in kind rate for electric cars.
You are starting there at a pretty high price point though as Tesla Model 3 is half that and as I mentioned above the Skoda Citigo is £15,000. Like the ICE market there are different levels.
Companies are now offering Sustainable Car Schemes where you can take one on a rental via salary sacrifice. In other words you pay the cost out of your salary before tax is applied so you save the cost of tax and NI (so say for easy sums a £1,000 rental would actually cost £580 for a Scottish higher rate tax payer). Works the same way as cycle to work schemes. Again these are government pushed schemes to encourage people into EV’s rather a tax dodge. You then have BIK which at 1% this year going to 2% next which isn’t a huge amount.
….course once they have a critical mass taxation will move like it always does
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Mon 27 Sep 14:52
I have thought that if we genuinely wish to have a replacement car program with short stops then it is like the Wild West stagecoach change. I.e. no car ownership and people who wish to drive long journeys have a car transfer scheme.
Problems I see
-car logistics - cars out of position for who need to order
-car changeover - car seats luggage, etc
The benefit of no car ownership is people would pay for what they use. The disadvantages are the costs.
There just isn’t any nice solution for long journeys
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Topic Originator: JTH123
Date: Mon 27 Sep 17:38
Hi P.
I was responding to another post where £75k was mentioned.
Your numbers are the sort of thing I've seen and they are certainly interesting for all but my longest trips for work. I did over 1000 miles in 3 days last week and I'd imagine that would have taken 4 in an electric car so I'd maybe need to take the wife's mini.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Mon 27 Sep 18:06
Yeah JTH123 if regularly doing 1000 miles in a week the technology/infrastructure is a year or two away from being able to do that without any range anxiety.
Similar but different parsmad but I have a mate who uses Edinburgh car club. It sounds like Boris bikes but with cars and from the numbers he gave they are very affordable, shame that type of scheme will be limited to larger cities.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Mon 27 Sep 20:03
Could there not be charged batteries at service stations, and then somehow you drive in and park and a robot or something swaps your battery.
Would need standard battery connectors and some sort of battery plan and assembly line tech ...but that way you could be in, flat battery out, new battery plugged in and few mins later you drive away leaving the garage to charge your flat battery for another customer
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 27 Sep 20:07
Maybe an option to have two batteries per car? If both fully charged, that should be the long trips sorted ?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Mon 27 Sep 20:46
Replacement battery circa £5,200
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Mon 27 Sep 21:28
Buspasspar, that's the reason,I won't touch them.Are the batteries ecco friendly, don't think so.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Mon 27 Sep 21:52
Most batteries have a 8 year warranty and real world experience shows they are lasting longer than expected so it’s like comparing to the price of an engine.
Mining for the creation of those batteries is an entirely more valid challenge though
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Topic Originator: JnrB
Date: Mon 27 Sep 22:02
From what I was reading the batteries are lasting 200-300k miles before needing replaced. So that part of them isn’t really an issue. Better range, advancements in the technology to lower the cost of the vehicles and better infrastructure across the country is needed if there is to be a real push for the population to switch to electric vehicles.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 27 Sep 22:40
An old VW PD engine is capable of covering hundreds of thousands of miles with no problems and pretty fantastic MPG. Absolute bullet-proof engine.
If I were going for an electric car it would be on a lease. Too early to make a call on the long term credentials of an electric motor.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 28 Sep 07:33
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Mon 27 Sep 09:07
Why are the retailers allowing this kind of behaviour?
Why are they not capping at £30 a vehicle?
Greed?
Get rid of stock that's going off?
Create a panic, sell of thr old crap?
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 28 Sep 07:39
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 28 Sep 07:33
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Mon 27 Sep 09:07
Why are the retailers allowing this kind of behaviour?
Why are they not capping at £30 a vehicle?
Greed?
Get rid of stock that's going off?
Create a panic, sell of thr old crap?
Petrol and diesel last for months. If there was an issue with it going "off" it would have happened last year when people were going nowhere. Petrol in particular would be obvious given it only recently moved from E5 to E10. Still, if Marion on Facebook shared a post about it...
This is a result of an incompetent government with an incompetent minister for transport who were no doubt voted in by the same idiots filling cans at the petrol station.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 28 Sep 07:52
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 28 Sep 07:33
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Mon 27 Sep 09:07
Why are the retailers allowing this kind of behaviour?
Why are they not capping at £30 a vehicle?
Greed?
Get rid of stock that's going off?
Create a panic, sell of thr old crap?
I can confirm what Jake said, Rasta. Fuels, such as petrol and diesel, do not "go off." Crude oil has been millions of years in the making and has "gone off" as far as it can. The fuels we get from the raw crude are merely different components of this complex mixture separated according to their boiling points. The smaller molecules have lower b. pts.
There is no charge for today's chemistry lesson. 🙂
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 28 Sep 07:59
All this time and I've not been checking the Best Before date...
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 28 Sep 08:04
In fairness, it will go bad if you leave it in a plastic bottle in your garage for months like you may do for a petrol lawnmower. Would take some time for it to become nasty though.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Tue 28 Sep 09:36
Yes petrol does go off .. It will deteriorate after a while especially in lawnmowers which won`t run as well on old fuel as they do with fresh fuel
If you have old petrol in your car you will know when it has gone off by a rough idle
Petrol that has gone off is often darker and smells a bit sour
No charge for correcting the Chemistry Teacher :-))
Post Edited (Tue 28 Sep 10:00)
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 28 Sep 11:58
Quote:
jake89, Tue 28 Sep 07:39
Quote:
Rastapari, Tue 28 Sep 07:33
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Mon 27 Sep 09:07
Why are the retailers allowing this kind of behaviour?
Why are they not capping at £30 a vehicle?
Greed?
Get rid of stock that's going off?
Create a panic, sell of thr old crap?
Petrol and diesel last for months. If there was an issue with it going "off" it would have happened last year when people were going nowhere. Petrol in particular would be obvious given it only recently moved from E5 to E10. Still, if Marion on Facebook shared a post about it...
This is a result of an incompetent government with an incompetent minister for transport who were no doubt voted in by the same idiots filling cans at the petrol station.
Was there any need for the snide remark eh?.
I don't know anything about petrol, don't even drive, it was just an idea given our current government pi5shes down our back and calls it rain all the time...snide wee Richard.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Tue 28 Sep 12:09
Went this morning for normal fill up (when I get to quarter tank I fill to full) and of 12 bays at Tesco in the town only 4 were being used so no signs of panic here. 2 single pumps (in banks of 3) were out of order so don’t think that was a shortage.
Fuel is extortionate though - £100 and a sore wrist later I look forward to just plugging an EV in and leaving it. That said got confirmation that mine won’t be ready until June 2022 so a lengthy wait owing to massive demand.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 28 Sep 12:50
Wasn't looking to cause offence, Rasta. Merely pointing out that what people share on Facebook is usually nonsense. Just look at the rumours about our manager and walk outs etc. Also a post on here about a stabbing that doesn't appear to have happened.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Tue 28 Sep 13:30
Did anybody catch the Radio Scotland interview this morning with Scottish Tory MP Andrew Bowie ?
Pathetic response to question as to why the government had taken so long to put the army on a warning order for possible action.
It takes 5 days to properly train the military to deliver fuel supplies.
His mindset seems to be if you ignore the problem it will disappear in a couple or so days.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Tue 28 Sep 13:33
Quote:
jake89, Tue 28 Sep 12:50
Wasn't looking to cause offence, Rasta. Merely pointing out that what people share on Facebook is usually nonsense. Just look at the rumours about our manager and walk outs etc. Also a post on here about a stabbing that doesn't appear to have happened.
I hadn't seen anything on Facebook, I had seen a guy on Channel 4 news who worked for a major fuel company saying "what shortage?"
He also mentioned something like "ageing surplus" , given Brexit Britain's performance so far that kind of shady crap wouldn't surprise me.
Again though I don't drive do my interest is minimal.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 28 Sep 14:13
Quote:
Buspasspar, Tue 28 Sep 09:36
Yes petrol does go off .. It will deteriorate after a while especially in lawnmowers which won`t run as well on old fuel as they do with fresh fuel
If you have old petrol in your car you will know when it has gone off by a rough idle
Petrol that has gone off is often darker and smells a bit sour
No charge for correcting the Chemistry Teacher :-))
I'd be careful about getting too gallus, BPP. I wouldn't dream of challenging you on any matter to do with bus passes. 😉
Here's what I can tell you about fuels such as petrol and diesel. They consist of molecules called hydrocarbons. The average diesel molecule is longer (bigger) than the average molecule found in petrol. Hydrocarbons do NOT decompose or "go off."
HOWEVER, both petrol and diesel have other chemicals added to them, to make poor quality fuel burn more smoothly. e.g. tetraethyl lead used to be added to petrol.* It is quite possible that some of these additives may decompose over time, a fact I didn't consider in my previous post. Having said that, I have relatives who live and work in Milan, Turin and Switzerland. They all have houses in the small village in S. Italy where I was born. All have old cars which they keep in the village and fire them up when they visit relatives in the summer. I've never heard of them having any problems with the fuel, even though they haven't been used for almost a year. Make of that what you will.
*TEL is no longer used as it produced lead dust from car exhausts, of course. I read about a factory in the US which produced countless tonnes of the stuff every year. When some leaking occurred a large number of workers ended up in hospital with breathing difficulties. The company told the people who conducted an inquiry into the incident that their workers loved their work so much that they insisted on working all the overtime they could get and were simply exhausted. 😃 Amazingly, they were believed!
I wonder if it had anything to do with the fact that the company made generous donations to the Republican Party? 🤔
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Tue 28 Sep 18:22
My plug -in hybrid has a lined fuel tank to lengthen the life of the petrol - the expectation is that some folks will go months between fill-ups, depending on journey patterns and ability to charge at, say, your place of employment.
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Thu 30 Sep 13:33
No diesel at Tesco dulloch when I was there about an hour and a half ago for info
Admin
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 30 Sep 13:41
So the media got everyone to rush out and empty the petrol stations in no time...it's almost as if people are influenced by it eh...spooky.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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