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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 7 Dec 20:24
Have the government made an announcement that ASDA Halbeath is exempt from mask wearing, or is it just it`s a shop for idiots. I`m not exaggerating when I say around a third of the people in there tonight had no masks. The couple in front of me going in didn`t even bother to sanitise their hands. Absolute manks.
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Thu 9 Dec 08:00
Quote:
jake89, Tue 7 Dec 20:24
Have the government made an announcement that ASDA Halbeath is exempt from mask wearing, or is it just it`s a shop for idiots. I`m not exaggerating when I say around a third of the people in there tonight had no masks. The couple in front of me going in didn`t even bother to sanitise their hands. Absolute manks.
By actual law it`s none of your business.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 9 Dec 08:15
Show me where I suggested it was.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 9 Dec 12:02
Jake, are you Berkey in disguise? š
I very rarely use the retail hand sanitizers as they tend to be watery and splash everywhere when you press the top. So I carry my own. Have done for donkeys ~ pre Covid and everything!
As for mask wearing - well, as Rasta says, itās not illegal. You also donāt know if theyāre exempt, or simply like having the choice to wear one or not.
I forgot mine on the way to work one day; I explained to the driver and I sat right at the back away from everyone in case people were concerned.
A couple o folk considered me to be sitting on the naughty step and I heard a few vile words in my direction. I then did one of my glass shattering sneezes and the chatter stopped.
Apologies for my rambling but thereās really no point in being angry at folk.
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āBuffyās Buns are the finest in Fifeā, J. Spence 2019ā
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Thu 9 Dec 12:18
Actually Buffy it is the law that in Scotland a mask must be worn in most indoor locations unless you are under 12 or are medically exempt so in that regard people don`t have the choice if they wear one or not.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-public-use-of-face-coverings/
So people aren`t wearing one when they are required to do so and are using the medically exempt angle to get around it when they are actually fit and healthy, well that`s for them and their conscience to deal with but I certainly view such behaviour as disgusting.
Eta, not having a go you by the way Buffy, genuinely forgetting a face covering isn`t the same as willfully feigning illness to avoid wearing one.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 9 Dec 16:37
It is legal, but Rasta is right in his inference that it`s no-one`s business to ask.
I wouldn`t approach someone to ask why as that wouldn`t be fair as there are a minority who are genuinely unable to wear a mask for a variety of reasons.
What I`m interested in is why there are so many non-wearers in ASDA Halbeath in particular. ASDA even has free masks at the entrance. Purely for comparison, I was in Aldi this morning and every person was masked up. I didn`t notice this the last time I was in ASDA. Perhaps it was a one-off?
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 9 Dec 17:15
It`s a school day every day TOWK - thanks for that info; yer still on the christmas card list :-)
āBuffyās Buns are the finest in Fifeā, J. Spence 2019ā
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Thu 9 Dec 18:54
There are certainly a lot more people around who are exempt then than one would expect in certain places.
You can dance around individual`s rights not to be challenged, but the fact is masks would appear to help protect others and people are choosing not to wear them.
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Thu 9 Dec 19:29
Is it not more to do with store policy?
I know there are retailers who`s policy is masks for staff and customers unless they can provide proof of exemption
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Thu 9 Dec 19:43
Without a legitimate reason for exemption I would be pretty disappointed at myself as a human being if I needed Asda or any other store to tell me what to do, and try and get away with it if they didn`t tell me to wear a mask.
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Topic Originator: brian
Date: Thu 9 Dec 20:39
Disappointing that people have have to query wearing a mask.
Should be worn at a times to help our fellow human beings.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Thu 9 Dec 21:00
It`s just typical of society these days. They`re often free, no hassle to wear and benefit your fellow humans. Yet some people just can`t be @rsed.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Thu 9 Dec 22:07
Quote:
da_no_1, Thu 09 Dec 21:00
It`s just typical of society these days. They`re often free, no hassle to wear and benefit your fellow humans. Yet some people just can`t be @rsed.
Correct. Itās a lack of respect for others
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Fri 10 Dec 08:04
If you have to see the amount of š© my wife needs to put up within stores you would see the level of human waste there is in society. She says I am lucky as I only deal with reasonable people in my life. It is hard for staff at ASDA. People who forget to scanā¦.Ā£100 of extra stuff in their bags (oh I didnāt know how that got thereā¦). People who are persistent shoplifters who cannot be banned. Junkies eating and drinking stock as they travel through the store. People not wearing face masks is really an indicator of general society and the need that people actually do have to be controlled or this is what happens. We have had people we know who have come through tills nicking stuff. It really is rampant and sad at times but this is society now. Without tighter restrictions enforced the store has not capability to stop it.
When you hear it from front line staff you generally feel like saying sod civil liberties as it is taking the p*ss. I could tell you many tales of how bad it really is but hey, I cannot do anything about it so it is not my problem.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 10 Dec 08:34
You`d think you`d want to wear a mask if planning to do some shoplifting?
An interesting change to ASDA and Tesco have been these artificial walls of chocolate/tat to create a more defined entrance/exit. Surely that makes it much harder for security to grab a shoplifter?
Sad times if more and more are turning to shoplifting. People don`t typically choose to steal for fun.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Fri 10 Dec 09:05
Quote:
jake89, Fri 10 Dec 08:34
You`d think you`d want to wear a mask if planning to do some shoplifting?
An interesting change to ASDA and Tesco have been these artificial walls of chocolate/tat to create a more defined entrance/exit. Surely that makes it much harder for security to grab a shoplifter?
Sad times if more and more are turning to shoplifting. People don`t typically choose to steal for fun.
Hi Jake the people of note are instantly picked up which is interesting. It is broadcast to all in store. Take from that what you will as irrespective of mask wearing the people are still immediately picked up. Banning them has no relevance as the police do nothing anyway. They just get the goods removed and are kicked out. It is either thrown away or deep cleaned depending on the cost of the goods.
It is the tin foil brigade you need to look out for. People taking time to cover the goods in foil to prevent scanner detection. Doesnāt work as it is picked up on CCTV.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Fri 10 Dec 10:16
Very harsh buffy!
Ironic given Iām current sitting here with covid which has laid me low all week. Thank god Iām double jabbed as itās been a bit of a beast so far. Both kids have it too but thankfully not too bad.
We have been so careful and I always wear a mask and use hand sanitizer and will move away from those who donāt in shops etc but you canāt fight the schools which are far more effective at spreading it than any individual idiots at asda!
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 10 Dec 15:29
Get well soon Berkey š
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Fri 10 Dec 16:46
"People who are persistent shoplifters who cannot be banned."
Is that an Asda policy that they won`t? In my younger days when I was about 25 stone lighter I had the dubious pleasure of being a security guard in retail and supermarkets and we absolutely could and did ban persistent shoplifters.
The Gyle shopping center also bans five fingered discount merchants and had a link radio so shops could let the main center control and other shops know if someone who was banned had tried to enter the center.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Fri 10 Dec 17:31
Quote:
londonparsfan, Fri 10 Dec 16:46
"People who are persistent shoplifters who cannot be banned."
Is that an Asda policy that they won`t? In my younger days when I was about 25 stone lighter I had the dubious pleasure of being a security guard in retail and supermarkets and we absolutely could and did ban persistent shoplifters.
The Gyle shopping center also bans five fingered discount merchants and had a link radio so shops could let the main center control and other shops know if someone who was banned had tried to enter the center.
They can say they ban them but they go in regardless as Fifeās finest will not do anything so the effect is still the same.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Fri 10 Dec 18:01
Ah cool I get you mate. I always thought Asda had full time security staff that would be responsible for that.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 10 Dec 18:25
Presumably all they can do is escort them out. It wouldn`t be a legal ban to say they cannot legally enter (as you might get with a ASBO), it would just be the guard takes them by the arm and helps them to the exit. That would also rely on guards always recognising them. Probably hard if they work shifts.
People typically steal for a reason and I expect most are quite sad cases.
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Fri 10 Dec 20:51
Cheers Da No 1 šš»
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Fri 10 Dec 20:56
The shop is private property you can refuse entry to anyone for any reason mate as long as you`re not discriminating against them.
Normally you would put the ban in writing so you can evidence that you`ve informed the person you`re banning them and once that`s done it is very much legal as you`ve removed your implied consent for them to enter the store.
The shops retain photos of folk they`ve banned so folk on different shifts know who to look out for.
I can guarantee you from personal experience that very few of the shop lifting are people that are genuinely struggling to feed a family. Most were habitual thiefs that either wanted something for nothing or were stealing it to sell later.
It can vary massively depending on where you`re working. I was a stand in at Sainsburys in Meadowbank for a week and speaking to the manager he`d ordered 25 bottles of aftershock at its peak popularity and every single one of them had been stolen by local neds. M&S and C&A (yep that old!) were always having their leather jackets and Cashmere jumpers targeted as they were high value items that folk could make a profit on. Supermarkets also had meet and razor blades targeted as they were popularly used products and they could punt them in the pub.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Fri 10 Dec 20:56
Quote:
Berkey, Fri 10 Dec 20:51
Cheers Da No 1 šš»
Sorry I missed that - I`d add a get well soon as well.
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Fri 10 Dec 21:20
Quote:
londonparsfan, Fri 10 Dec 20:56
The shops retain photos of folk they`ve banned so folk on different shifts know who to look out for..
Is that not a breach of gdpr though ?
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Fri 10 Dec 21:22
Get well soon, Berkey
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Fri 10 Dec 21:24
I was in the wee Asda this afternoon. Quite a few folks not wearing a mask
There was a rough looking couple, the type you donāt want to catch their eye.
They ended up in different aisles near the bakery bit and the lassie was shouting over the bread rolls at her partner.
Nice !
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 10 Dec 21:49
What I was meaning is security can only turf them out. They could try over and over whereas with an ASBO (or whatever the modern equivalent is) they`d find themselves in court for doing it. The police won`t turn up every time a previous shoplifter turns up at ASDA. Lucky if the police turn up at all nowadays.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Fri 10 Dec 21:53
Quote:
widtink, Fri 10 Dec 21:20
Quote:
londonparsfan, Fri 10 Dec 20:56
The shops retain photos of folk they`ve banned so folk on different shifts know who to look out for..
Is that not a breach of gdpr though ?
As you can probably tell from the C&A reference my time was before GDPR but I don`t see how retaining photos of people you`ve banned from the store for shop lifting could be construed as breaching the GDPR as long as you only retain the photos for the appropriate length of time, have proper access controls and publish appropriate notifications as to how the data is collected and used.
You`d have a legitimate business use in that scenario.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Fri 10 Dec 21:56
Oh and do a proper impact assessment as I think that crops up a lot in GDPR.
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Topic Originator: londonparsfan
Date: Fri 10 Dec 22:18
Quote:
jake89, Fri 10 Dec 21:49
What I was meaning is security can only turf them out. They could try over and over whereas with an ASBO (or whatever the modern equivalent is) they`d find themselves in court for doing it. The police won`t turn up every time a previous shoplifter turns up at ASDA. Lucky if the police turn up at all nowadays.
Ah I see what you mean now. It`s certainly not as powerful as an ASBO or something issued by a court but you do still have rights under law.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 11 Dec 09:12
We were in Tenerife in October, you had to wear masks indoors and the local large Mercadona had a security guard on the entrance.
Anybody not wearing a mask was challenged and turned away if no exemption, the 1 metre baton he carried enforced the rules!
Was in Halbeath Asda at 16.30 last night and many customers not wearing masks, infection, what infection?š¤š·š¤¬š¤¬š¤¬
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Topic Originator: Rastapari
Date: Sun 12 Dec 15:45
Are you really that scared?
Maybe be more like Boris, get out a bit.
Carole Baskin fed Rasta to a tiger.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 12 Dec 16:37
Quote:
Rastapari, Sun 12 Dec 15:45
Are you really that scared?
Maybe be more like Boris, get out a bit.
My wife and I having been admitted to hospital in January with Covid have no intention of catching it again and will carry out all precautions.
My wife`s infection went into pneumonia and she thought she was only leaving the Vic in a wooden box!
Believe me it`s terrifying!
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Sun 12 Dec 17:17
Don`t think we`re actually subject to gdpr anymore
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Topic Originator: widtink
Date: Sun 12 Dec 17:39
Quote:
DBP, Sun 12 Dec 17:17
Don`t think we`re actually subject to gdpr anymore
Isn`t there now a UK gdpr which is basically the same?
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 12 Dec 18:30
Quote:
widtink, Sun 12 Dec 17:39
Quote:
DBP, Sun 12 Dec 17:17
Don`t think we`re actually subject to gdpr anymore
Isn`t there now a UK gdpr which is basically the same?
Yes. GDPR is covered under the DPA.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sun 12 Dec 19:40
Hope you and wife are well LochgellyAlbert.
My wife was in bed for 13 days in total, more tiredness and aches than anything else but wasnāt nice, had to pick up the cooking on top of the ironing man.
On a serious note I can understand the sceptics with the latest updates on Omicron, the two vaccines give very little resistance to the variant however coincidentally if you get the first booster that they happen to be rolling out its 70+% effectiveā¦funny that.
Add to that the Governments blatant lies regarding the partying etc I donāt know how people can really trust anything they come out with.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sun 12 Dec 19:44
Most of the advice we get isn`t dreamt up by Boris tho
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 12 Dec 20:13
Don`t trust the politicians, trust the science. If eligible, get a booster...or don`t if you don`t want to š
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Sun 12 Dec 22:55
For God`s sake,if it was up to some folk,TB ,hooping cough,small pox, German measles, would still be killing people on a large scale.Get a grip and, get the jabs.the risk is minimal, more chance of getting ill with covid infection,and it's complications.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 13 Dec 08:31
Quote:
Berry, Sun 12 Dec 19:40
Hope you and wife are well LochgellyAlbert.
My wife was in bed for 13 days in total, more tiredness and aches than anything else but wasnāt nice, had to pick up the cooking on top of the ironing man.
On a serious note I can understand the sceptics with the latest updates on Omicron, the two vaccines give very little resistance to the variant however coincidentally if you get the first booster that they happen to be rolling out its 70+% effectiveā¦funny that.
Add to that the Governments blatant lies regarding the partying etc I donāt know how people can really trust anything they come out with.
Hi Berry, my wife and I being over 65 are in the high risk category and have found the last 11 months to be an adventure. Exhaustion, headaches, gastro problems and lack of motivation have all been encountered. I am in better condition than my wife as she has underlying health problems, she can hardly walk a 100yds at this point in time.
My daughter who is in her 30`s caught it the same time as us, she doesn`t have an immune system but has come through this relatively unscathed, continuing to work as a teacher and also raise our 2 grandchildren.
Age seems to be the biggest problem, my best wishes to you and your family!ā¤
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Mon 13 Dec 20:39
Sorry to hear that LA, fingers crossed for your wife.
Wishing all the best.
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Topic Originator: shrek par
Date: Tue 14 Dec 22:27
`Management reserve the right to refuse admission`. Was my personal favourite for getting rid of the tea leaves in my previous job. If that didn`t work a frank bit of fotune telling normally bore fruit.
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Topic Originator: Squirrel Dodger
Date: Mon 20 Dec 13:45
I usually wear a mask, simply for the psychological benefit for my fellow humans (especially the older, or frailer people, who are scared stiff by this LIVING nightmare).
But whenever I see other people not wearing a mask, I`m not bothered at all, because I`ve seen this video:
https://rumble.com/viwsdt-the-truth-about-face-masks.html
Post Edited (Mon 20 Dec 13:46)
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Mon 20 Dec 16:52
Squirrel Dodger wrote:
> But whenever I see other people not wearing a mask, I`m not
> bothered at all, because I`ve seen this video:
I`m not sure if that`s a serious post, but for anyone else, the video is from The New American - a media outlet owned by a right-leaning advocacy group. They have a track record for spreading mis-information, regularly debunked by fact check organisations.
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Topic Originator: onandupthepars
Date: Mon 20 Dec 20:39
From the Scottish government website, updated today, 20 Dec `21:
"By law, everyone age 12 and over must wear a face covering in most indoor public places in Scotland."
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-public-use-of-face-coverings/
Ref: Squirrel Dodger and fcda
Mon 20 Dec 13:45 & 16:52
I watched the video by rumble.com that you hot-linked, Dodger, thanks for that. Yes, fcda, the video seems rather untrustworthy to me. `The New American` sounds phoney for a kick-off. I then read the first of the sources that are listed below the video. Mainly it compares cloth masks with medical ones and respirators.
This source* does not say masks are useless, it says, quote:
"Conclusions
The filtration, effectiveness, fit, and performance of cloth masks are inferior to those of medical masks and respirators. Cloth mask use should not be mandated for healthcare workers, who should as a priority be provided proper respiratory protection. Cloth masks are a more suitable option for community use when medical masks are unavailable. Protection provided by cloth masks may be improved by selecting appropriate material, increasing the number of mask layers, and using those with a design that provides filtration and fit. Cloth masks should be washed daily and after high-exposure use by using soap and water or other appropriate methods."
In short, it says cloth masks can provide some protection in community use, but medical masks and respirators are better.
At the moment I`ve got some cloth masks which fit quite tightly and lots of cheap disposables which don`t fit well. I need to upgrade. Anyone got the lowdown?
*article by Dr Chughtai, epidemiologist and lecturer at University of New South Wales.
Post Edited (Mon 20 Dec 20:42)
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Tue 21 Dec 20:58
So after 20 times being kicked out and 1 TV set later, a habitual shoplifter was arrested, then later released, to be in again at 0600 to shoplift his next TV. And crime apparently doesnāt pay, whilst taxpayers and shoppers will foot the bill. BTW this is not drugs related. Just a habitual shoplifter who steals to order.
The problem with COVID restrictions is that whilst the police, fire and ambulance crews are less than 70% capacity due to isolation and infection, the same doesnāt apply to lawlessness.
I wonder what it would take for society to completely melt down.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 21 Dec 21:26
Was in tonight. Three maskless young lads come walking past chatting. Kid you not that their convo was that two of their pals had COVID and they couldn`t work out how. Just hope they weren`t contacts and have chosen to ignore what they`ve been told.
Also someone walking round in their jammies. What a shop! I only went as the recycling at Tesco was overflowing.
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