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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 17 Nov 21:07
As I was coming out of ASDA earlier a group of neds were getting kicked out. They were doing that weird bouncy dance like the Hibs casuals did at Falkirk. Absolutely hilarious watching 10 of them trying to act like hard men. Unfortunately, it appears they then went round the back of Pets at Home and set the bins and crates alight. The word is they were also chucked out of Burger King. Is it time the Scottish Government reconsidered both free bus passes and when a person can be charged? I`m sure it looks great if they see crime figures dropping but some of these kids are little psychos.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Sun 17 Nov 21:12
Crime figures dropping? Christ I wish someone would tell our office and the courts that. Never been so feckin busy.
Hope no one was injured from their fire raising.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 17 Nov 21:17
If they`re still going up when they`re turning a blind eye to this sort of stuff then God help us all! Maybe if they get caught they`ll get treated to a wee holiday like the vile creature who tortured and killed one of the peacocks?
The fire brigade had to come out and put it out. They seemingly checked and the animals inside Pets at Home were fine.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 17 Nov 22:11
Even worse now. Police at Cowdenbeath station after a group of kids burst the nose of a conductor and ripped a clump of hair out a woman who intervened. Hope the CCTV was working. Is it a full moon tonight?
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sun 17 Nov 22:29
There was an official from Unite trade union on radio midweek talking about escalating trouble against staff on buses and saying that extending free bus passes to youths was a significant factor.
One driver was killed during an altercation in Elgin in February by a drunken teenager after he being refused entry to the bus.
That slipped under my radar then - but it seems consistent with anecdotal stories where kids are abusing the bus pass privilege.
UPDATE - the 16 year old is due to be sentenced tomorrow.
Post Edited (Sun 17 Nov 22:37)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 17 Nov 23:05
As I stated on FB it’s only a matter of time before the adults in society rise up against these wee naughty word and one of them gets seriously hurt.
Will lead to the usual “my son’s a darling angel” and “oh it wasn’t him but his pal” b*llocks from the parents.
Big issue in this area (Cowden, Lochgelly) at the minute is the dirt bikes flying down the public paths when folk are walking down them. Mrs had our wee one on a path as one went flying down it last week. Need sorted out.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Mon 18 Nov 07:04
It’s always the same… a few ruin it for everyone.
Free bus pass was great for my daughter who used it for a year to travel everyday into a course and volunteering she would never have been able to afford without it.
Gave her the entry retirements and life skills needed to get into and hopefully so will at uni
Also I’m sure it’s a little perk for many given employers are allowed to pay less to some people for doing the same job based in their age
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Topic Originator: Playup_Pompey
Date: Mon 18 Nov 08:11
most parents dont give a flying f@lk!rk or could tell you where they are or what they do. The amount of wee @rsehOles that hang about asda/tesco duloch and abuse staff and customers is unreal.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 18 Nov 09:51
Quote:
Playup_Pompey, Mon 18 Nov 08:11
most parents dont give a flying f@lk!rk or could tell you where they are or what they do. The amount of wee @rsehOles that hang about asda/tesco duloch and abuse staff and customers is unreal.
Tesco Duloch was nothing in comparison to what these kids have done. Usually it`s just dafties looking for a chase. They were told this would happen when they opened the McDonalds but a councillor in Leven decided it was fine. The right turn out that drive through should be removed.
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Topic Originator: Athletico
Date: Mon 18 Nov 10:59
I think Stagecoach are losing drivers by the bucket load, got 2 mates who were drivers, and had been for several years but they have both left within the past 6 months or so. Not worth the abuse, or hassle they get.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 18 Nov 11:19
Quote:
jake89, Sun 17 Nov 22:11
Is it a full moon tonight?
I believe it was earlier in the week. It was the Beaver Moon quite aptly.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 18 Nov 12:06
The kid in Elgin was a SECOND offence for assaulting a bus driver. Only 15 and done for assault and now 4 years for culpable homicide. What is wrong with these kids who seem to think it`s fine to cause so much hassle to people simply trying to do a job? Not surprised so many are seeking to leave the profession and surely begs the question of how safe having self driving buses or conductorless trains would be.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 18 Nov 14:12
Apparently there was a problem on an Edinburgh train over the weekend, people assaulted , police involved.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 18 Nov 14:57
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Mon 18 Nov 14:12
Apparently there was a problem on an Edinburgh train over the weekend, people assaulted , police involved.
Was this not the train that was stopped and Cowdenbeath? A conductor received a bloody nose and a woman who tried to help had her hair ripped out. One lad was seemingly screaming he was going to kick someone`s head in when being put in a police van.
Buffy might be busy!
Edited to add: I was wondering if it was the same kids? Chucked out of ASDA, chucked out of Burger King, set a fire at Pets at Home and then walk along to Dunfermline QM to catch the train to Cowdenbeath/Lochgelly.
I'm not a believer in hitting kids or one to slag off the SNP for no reason, but their legislation on youth crime, combined with COVID (definitely NOT their fault) and free bus travel has created a perfect storm.
Post Edited (Mon 18 Nov 15:00)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Mon 18 Nov 15:05
Chuffing (sorry) Nora
*dropped ye a wee email Jake
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
Post Edited (Mon 18 Nov 15:24)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 18 Nov 15:49
Quote:
jake89, Mon 18 Nov 14:57
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Mon 18 Nov 14:12
Apparently there was a problem on an Edinburgh train over the weekend, people assaulted , police involved.
Was this not the train that was stopped and Cowdenbeath? A conductor received a bloody nose and a woman who tried to help had her hair ripped out. One lad was seemingly screaming he was going to kick someone`s head in when being put in a police van.
Buffy might be busy!
Edited to add: I was wondering if it was the same kids? Chucked out of ASDA, chucked out of Burger King, set a fire at Pets at Home and then walk along to Dunfermline QM to catch the train to Cowdenbeath/Lochgelly.
I`m not a believer in hitting kids or one to slag off the SNP for no reason, but their legislation on youth crime, combined with COVID (definitely NOT their fault) and free bus travel has created a perfect storm.
Add in absentee parenting to that! If I ever catch my daughter being part of one of these groups when she grows up she will be getting marched round the shops and to the police station myself to be dealt with!
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Mon 18 Nov 19:23
"Add in absentee parenting to that!"
Throw in irresponsible parenting to the mix.
A few years ago a youth worker in the Council told me that he and a colleague did covert observation of a known trouble spot where minors congregated of a Friday evening for a drinking session.
They noted parents driving up and dropping off their kids near the location, along with carry outs.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 18 Nov 19:35
Quote:
jake89, Sun 17 Nov 21:07
As I was coming out of ASDA earlier a group of neds were getting kicked out. They were doing that weird bouncy dance like the Hibs casuals did at Falkirk. Absolutely hilarious watching 10 of them trying to act like hard men. Unfortunately, it appears they then went round the back of Pets at Home and set the bins and crates alight. The word is they were also chucked out of Burger King. Is it time the Scottish Government reconsidered both free bus passes and when a person can be charged? I`m sure it looks great if they see crime figures dropping but some of these kids are little psychos.
C’mon Jake! How else are we supposed to make it look like the government are having a positive effect!!!
#SNPrules
COYP
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 18 Nov 20:42
Quote:
NMCmassive, Mon 18 Nov 19:35
Quote:
jake89, Sun 17 Nov 21:07
As I was coming out of ASDA earlier a group of neds were getting kicked out. They were doing that weird bouncy dance like the Hibs casuals did at Falkirk. Absolutely hilarious watching 10 of them trying to act like hard men. Unfortunately, it appears they then went round the back of Pets at Home and set the bins and crates alight. The word is they were also chucked out of Burger King. Is it time the Scottish Government reconsidered both free bus passes and when a person can be charged? I`m sure it looks great if they see crime figures dropping but some of these kids are little psychos.
C’mon Jake! How else are we supposed to make it look like the government are having a positive effect!!!
#SNPrules
One more year and they`ll be gone. Unfortunately, the replacements will be even worse!
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 18 Nov 20:43
Quote:
veteraneastender, Mon 18 Nov 19:23
"Add in absentee parenting to that!"
Throw in irresponsible parenting to the mix.
A few years ago a youth worker in the Council told me that he and a colleague did covert observation of a known trouble spot where minors congregated of a Friday evening for a drinking session.
They noted parents driving up and dropping off their kids near the location, along with carry outs.
This is what was reportedly happening at Townhill woods and Dalgety Bay.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 18 Nov 21:16
Quote:
jake89, Mon 18 Nov 20:42
Quote:
NMCmassive, Mon 18 Nov 19:35
Quote:
jake89, Sun 17 Nov 21:07
As I was coming out of ASDA earlier a group of neds were getting kicked out. They were doing that weird bouncy dance like the Hibs casuals did at Falkirk. Absolutely hilarious watching 10 of them trying to act like hard men. Unfortunately, it appears they then went round the back of Pets at Home and set the bins and crates alight. The word is they were also chucked out of Burger King. Is it time the Scottish Government reconsidered both free bus passes and when a person can be charged? I`m sure it looks great if they see crime figures dropping but some of these kids are little psychos.
C’mon Jake! How else are we supposed to make it look like the government are having a positive effect!!!
#SNPrules
One more year and they`ll be gone. Unfortunately, the replacements will be even worse!
Labour & SNP are not actually that far from each other apart from the obvious.
Quicker Greens are out the better. They’re all bat sh1t crazy
COYP
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 18 Nov 21:19
The Greens are already out. Yousaf dissolved that agreement and since then Swinney has cancelled a few of their proposals, which is why they removed their supported for the National Care Service a few weeks ago. All the other parties object to the creation of the National Care Service despite Labour promoting the exact same thing in England. Politics in this country truly is in the gutter.
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Mon 18 Nov 23:22
Should we ban alcohol cos adults are assaulted every weekend by a few bams?
The hate that the free bus passes for young people get for causing "anti-social behaviour" is unreal. It`s a massive positive and the negative behaviours should be targeted, not the scheme.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Mon 18 Nov 23:38
Well said, DBA. Politicians get blamed for everything nowadays.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 18 Nov 23:55
Quote:
veteraneastender, Mon 18 Nov 19:23
"Add in absentee parenting to that!"
Throw in irresponsible parenting to the mix.
A few years ago a youth worker in the Council told me that he and a colleague did covert observation of a known trouble spot where minors congregated of a Friday evening for a drinking session.
They noted parents driving up and dropping off their kids near the location, along with carry outs.
Our parents knew about our illegal drinking (ok they didnt give us the booze) but we all knew that if we stepped out of line in the sense kids do these days we would get our @rses handed to us on a plate.
Yeah we played chap door run and others threw eggs at my house on halloween, but assaulting workers, trashing shops and fire raising (except on the beach) were never in our thoughts.
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Topic Originator: DBP
Date: Tue 19 Nov 06:41
Completely agree DBA - such a positive thing and I don’t think a defence of, “he wouldn’t have set fire to that skip or physically assaulted that man and woman if it wasn’t for the fact that he was able to take advantage of scheme that allowed him to travel at no cost”
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 19 Nov 07:09
The issue is the impact of a minority abusing it. A driver dead, others leaving the profession and a spike in antisocial behaviour.
So if not revoking free bus passes, what is the solution? Curfew on use? Ban the bad kids for 6-12 months?
The bus passes are only putting a focus on the issue though. There was antisocial behaviour from a minority of kids before hand, the bus passes just mobilised it. There are more clubs and what not than there ever were when I was a kid so the argument of "they`re just bored" (as was said when I was a kid!) goes out the window.
Assuming these kids were the same kids, within a couple of hours they had:
Created a disturbance in Burger King involving shouting and swearing in front of kids
Spat on people in ASDA and been physically removed
Set bins alight behind a shop containing animals
Given a train conductor a bloody nose and torn hair out a woman`s head.
That is not normal behaviour even if under the influence. As much as Nicola Sturgeon disagreed, children are smart enough to know right from wrong. My kids are in primary school and know all those things are wrong so the implication that under 25s still have brains that are forming is weak in most cases. The reality is it`s just a mechanism to slow/reduce figures.
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