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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 16 Dec 14:34
I see the young lady who chucked a milkshake at Farage got away with a 13 week suspended sentence. Of course, we only knew it was a milkshake after the fact.
Quite a few people have obviously been shoved in the slammer for their behaviour over the summer. Clearly some of those offences have been extremely serious.
It does feel to me like some of the treatment is a little inconsistent, though. Throwing an unknown liquid at someone campaigning to become an MP feels like a very serious offence to me.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 16 Dec 14:51
It would have been, had it been a dangerous liquid. It was milk. I understand the whole setting a precedent, but it was milk.
Let’s not forget that the likes of Farage stoked online rumours that lead to riots this year. Then he tried to absolve himself from all blame.
Which was a worse crime? Throwing milkshake over someone or inciting racial hatred and riots?
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Mon 16 Dec 15:11
Interesting that no farmers were arrested last week for blocking thoroughfares yet "Stop Oil" protectors were jailed.
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Topic Originator: Dandy Warhol
Date: Mon 16 Dec 15:23
The "model" was known to Farage, it was a set up, I`m sure strings were pulled.
On "Just Stop Oil", ignorant children with no sense of irony or self awareness.
I don`t wanna go down like disco.
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Topic Originator: PARrot
Date: Mon 16 Dec 16:41
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Mon 16 Dec 15:11
Interesting that no farmers were arrested last week for blocking thoroughfares yet "Stop Oil" protectors were jailed.
There is a difference between a one off demo and a sustained programme of disruption and vandalism.
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Topic Originator: MikeyLeonard
Date: Mon 16 Dec 17:05
Quote:
Dave_1885, Mon 16 Dec 14:51
It would have been, had it been a dangerous liquid. It was milk. I understand the whole setting a precedent, but it was milk.
Let’s not forget that the likes of Farage stoked online rumours that lead to riots this year. Then he tried to absolve himself from all blame.
Which was a worse crime? Throwing milkshake over someone or inciting racial hatred and riots?
Did he ? What did he say ?
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Topic Originator: sadindiefreak
Date: Mon 16 Dec 17:21
Quote:
MikeyLeonard, Mon 16 Dec 17:05
Quote:
Dave_1885, Mon 16 Dec 14:51
It would have been, had it been a dangerous liquid. It was milk. I understand the whole setting a precedent, but it was milk.
Let’s not forget that the likes of Farage stoked online rumours that lead to riots this year. Then he tried to absolve himself from all blame.
Which was a worse crime? Throwing milkshake over someone or inciting racial hatred and riots?
Did he ? What did he say ?
He claimed the mass stabbings of children in Southport were carried out by an Islamic fundamentalist.
There were riots resulting from this claim.
It was revealed by the press that the murderers parents were Rwandan refugees, so of course he couldn`t be muslim.
In October it was announced he was infact an Islamic fundamentalist and had downloaded the Al Qaeda training manual and had produced risin which he was in possession of.
I hate Farage as he is a racist scumbag but he was correct on this occasion.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 16 Dec 18:05
Quote:
Dave_1885, Mon 16 Dec 14:51
It would have been, had it been a dangerous liquid. It was milk. I understand the whole setting a precedent, but it was milk.
Let’s not forget that the likes of Farage stoked online rumours that lead to riots this year. Then he tried to absolve himself from all blame.
Which was a worse crime? Throwing milkshake over someone or inciting racial hatred and riots?
A. The law shouldn`t try and link the two.
B. Anything that was said or not said happened months after Farage got milkshaked.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Mon 16 Dec 19:01
Sentences are not inconsistent. They’re in line with the offences being committed and the law applied.
You cannot expect someone inciting violence to get the same sentencing as that of someone throwing milk. It is deemed as assault but did not cause any injury. If injuries were caused then a different punishment would be imposed.
“Getting off” with community service = if you’re employed it runs alongside this ie in the evenings and it’s supervised, it’s given in cases where you’re deemed not at risk of reoffending, it’s your first time offending or you have mental health issues which won’t be helped by being in prison.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Mon 16 Dec 20:07
I only opened this thread as I thought it was going to be about bigdonnies punctuation. Imagine my disappointment....
Anyway, that punishment is uncalled for, should be handing her a medal, in my opinion
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 16 Dec 20:54
Judicial system seems totally backwards
Just on a very basic level pedophiles get fines and are told to sign a register
Folk writing something stupid on the internet get jailed
In my mind, I can’t make the connection between relative crimes meeting relative punishment.
The cynic in me thinks those who make the laws, are making consequences overly lenient for the crimes they or their peers may be guilty off…
COYP
Post Edited (Mon 16 Dec 20:56)
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Mon 16 Dec 21:13
It’s a complicated process NMC.
The people writing stupid things on the internet were seen to be inciting violence and racial hatred - and there are laws in place for this.
As for sex offenders, there’s different categories (just like other crimes). It’s not straightforward.
The sex offenders register is a Law enforced in 2003. There’s no central database as such.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: MikeyLeonard
Date: Mon 16 Dec 21:31
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Mon 16 Dec 17:21
Quote:
MikeyLeonard, Mon 16 Dec 17:05
Quote:
Dave_1885, Mon 16 Dec 14:51
It would have been, had it been a dangerous liquid. It was milk. I understand the whole setting a precedent, but it was milk.
Let’s not forget that the likes of Farage stoked online rumours that lead to riots this year. Then he tried to absolve himself from all blame.
Which was a worse crime? Throwing milkshake over someone or inciting racial hatred and riots?
Did he ? What did he say ?
He claimed the mass stabbings of children in Southport were carried out by an Islamic fundamentalist.
There were riots resulting from this claim.
It was revealed by the press that the murderers parents were Rwandan refugees, so of course he couldn`t be muslim.
In October it was announced he was infact an Islamic fundamentalist and had downloaded the Al Qaeda training manual and had produced risin which he was in possession of.
I hate Farage as he is a racist scumbag but he was correct on this occasion.
Yes, he was correct. In this instance, there was no `stoking of internet rumours` as Dave suggests, only facts.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Tue 17 Dec 06:55
Quote:
buffy, Mon 16 Dec 21:13
It’s a complicated process NMC.
The people writing stupid things on the internet were seen to be inciting violence and racial hatred - and there are laws in place for this.
As for sex offenders, there’s different categories (just like other crimes). It’s not straightforward.
The sex offenders register is a Law enforced in 2003. There’s no central database as such.
Buffy, they can make the process as complicated as they like, the outcomes are what matters.
Yes people were arrested and jailed for inciting racial hatred online but they aren’t the only people who are visited for things they’ve wrote online. Allison Pearson recently had a visit from the police. That’s a good place to start if you’d like to find out more.
Harvey Doughty avoided jail because he was “exploring his sexuality”
Laurence Machin avoided jail even though he was in possession of 330 Category A images, 301 Category B images, and 9720 Category C images.
Philip Street avoided jail
Rory Lord avoided jail
It goes on and on and on
Some of them ☝🏻 were caught having physical contact with youngsters but for clarity(even though I can’t remember the wording off the top of my head) a Category A image is an image that contains penetrative sexual activity, sexual activity with an animal or sadism.
And no we are not talking about 16 year olds here either. Some of those mentioned had images of from children less that 1 years old. Category A.
COYP
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Tue 17 Dec 12:51
If I’d like to find out more? No thanks. I’m not interested in individual cases. I was merely explaining the OP’s thread title, and how it works.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 17 Dec 14:27
Quote:
sadindiefreak, Mon 16 Dec 17:21
Quote:
MikeyLeonard, Mon 16 Dec 17:05
Quote:
Dave_1885, Mon 16 Dec 14:51
It would have been, had it been a dangerous liquid. It was milk. I understand the whole setting a precedent, but it was milk.
Let’s not forget that the likes of Farage stoked online rumours that lead to riots this year. Then he tried to absolve himself from all blame.
Which was a worse crime? Throwing milkshake over someone or inciting racial hatred and riots?
Did he ? What did he say ?
He claimed the mass stabbings of children in Southport were carried out by an Islamic fundamentalist.
There were riots resulting from this claim.
It was revealed by the press that the murderers parents were Rwandan refugees, so of course he couldn`t be muslim.
In October it was announced he was infact an Islamic fundamentalist and had downloaded the Al Qaeda training manual and had produced risin which he was in possession of.
I hate Farage as he is a racist scumbag but he was correct on this occasion.
A stopped click is right twice a day. It was just fortunate he was right on this occasion. He had no evidence at the start when he made his claim.
It was the same when the poor guy was run over in Edinburgh last month. Loads of people posting he`d been beheaded by Muslims. What was worse was the people who continued to claim it was a cover up. The poor guy is dead and his family are having to see people post utter nonsense about what was a tragic accident. These people have now moved on to objecting to Arla milk 🤦♂️
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 17 Dec 15:37
Quote:
buffy, Tue 17 Dec 12:51
If I’d like to find out more? No thanks. I’m not interested in individual cases. I was merely explaining the OP’s thread title, and how it works.
My point isn`t whether or not they have been dished out accurately from a process perspective, it is whether the sentencing guidelines are correct.
And, in my opinion, they aren`t.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Tue 17 Dec 16:39
I don`t quite understand Ipswich. Are you saying that throwing a milkshake at someone should result in a prison sentence? You can`t give this woman a harsher sentence because it could have been another substance that she threw. She chose milk exactly because it wouldn`t cause injury unless of course Farage is lactose intolerant.
The people who were sent down in the summer for encouraging others to burn down hotels containing men, women and children got what they deserved.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Tue 17 Dec 16:43
"Just on a very basic level pedophiles get fines and are told to sign a register"
I googled "paedophiles who have been jailed" - many facing jail sentences.
Including 18 police officers/support staff since 2022.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 17 Dec 17:27
Encouraging others to burn down buildings was an extreme example TOWK.
I`d certainly rate someone throwing *something* at those campaigning to become politicians as more serious than putting some nonsense on social media (that stops well short of suggestion criminal activity).
The fact that it`s open season on politicians could lead to a very slippery slope, or put people off putting themselves forward.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Tue 17 Dec 17:57
It’s assault IpswichPar, but it didn’t harm the person. If there had been, the sentence would have been different.
Sentencing isn’t the same for every person or for the same type of crime. I can’t even begin to explain the complexity of the work involved before it even goes to court. (I work in criminal law).
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 17 Dec 18:07
Understood Buffy. I understand an assault on an Emergency Services worker is an aggravating factor....do you know if the same applies to MPs?
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Tue 17 Dec 19:13
As far as I’m aware (and this may be different in England) there aren’t different rules for the employment of the person assaulted. Happy to be corrected on this. It’s not something I’ve come across in my work, so far.
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 17 Dec 20:48
Quote:
ipswichpar, Tue 17 Dec 18:07
Understood Buffy. I understand an assault on an Emergency Services worker is an aggravating factor....do you know if the same applies to MPs?
He wasn’t an MP when he was attacked with a milkshake. Although him and his cronies will tell you different.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 17 Dec 20:56
Looks like England and Wales only Buffy.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2018/23
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 18 Dec 19:38
Hopefully she will have learned her lesson. Use a brick next time
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