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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 15 Sep 08:27
There`s no doubt that banning vehicles from parking on pavements is good for pedestrians, but it can be argued that it`s just shifted the problem onto our streets. I live near a school and my street has become quite tricky to negotiate as parents park on both sides at both ends of the school day. It`s not a major problem for me but some roads are on local bus routes and they haven`t been able to get through due to thoughtless parking.
It wouldn`t surprise me if there`s a U-turn on this ban as it`s arguably causing more problems than it`s solved.
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Topic Originator: FifeEternal
Date: Mon 15 Sep 09:06
No chance of a U-turn. Would mean admitting they are wrong. Not gonna happen until the current cabal are replaced.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 15 Sep 10:15
The issue will always be stupid and ignorant people. Parking slightly on the pavement isn`t an issue. My neighbour`s friend used to park her entire Vauxhall Adam on the pavement. It was like she thought she was helping by doing this. These are the people that led to the ban.
What we have now is daft people parking opposite parked cars and making the road incredibly narrow to the point buses and emergency vehicles can`t get past. The worst people are the ones with driveways that take two cars in tandem who insist on parking one on the road. If it can be off the road, park off the road! I suspect this is the "the road outside my house is MY road" brigade.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 15 Sep 11:29
Feels like a good opportunity to just get folks fined for blocking roads.
That`ll learn them.
[URL=https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/parking.html#:~:text=You%20MUST%20NOT%20park%20in,unless%20entitled%20to%20do%20so.&text=You%20MUST%20NOT%20leave%20your,unnecessary%20obstruction%20of%20the%20road.&text=DO%20NOT%20stop%20or%20park,near%20a%20school%20entrance]HIGHWAY CODE[/URL]
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 15 Sep 11:33
Quote:
ipswichpar, Mon 15 Sept 11:29
Feels like a good opportunity to just get folks fined for blocking roads.
That`ll learn them.
<https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/parking.html#:~:text=You%20MUST%20NOT%20park%20in,unless%20entitled%20to%20do%20so.&text=You%20MUST%20NOT%20leave%20your,unnecessary%20obstruction%20of%20the%20road.&text=DO%20NOT%20stop%20or%20park,near%20a%20school%20entrance>
Never enforced though. I regularly see people parked directly opposite junctions. Nothing ever happens despite it being an obstruction. Take a look at the cars "loading" on New Row or driving down the High Street outside blue badge hours.
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Topic Originator: P
Date: Mon 15 Sep 11:55
Get double yellows down one side of the road where there are issues, it will help break the must park right outside me door (and no one else is allowed to park there) mindset
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 15 Sep 12:59
Quote:
P, Mon 15 Sep 11:55
Get double yellows down one side of the road where there are issues, it will help break the must park right outside me door (and no one else is allowed to park there) mindset
That’s just going to push problems elsewhere 🤷🏻♂️
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 15 Sep 15:47
Quote:
P, Mon 15 Sep 11:55
Get double yellows down one side of the road where there are issues, it will help break the must park right outside me door (and no one else is allowed to park there) mindset
If you think double yellows will sort the issue, then by all means take a pop along to Falkland one day this week…..cant get parked to make deliveries because theres a line of cars and buses parked on double yellows either side of the road. And before someone says it delivery drivers can park on double yellows to make deliveries 😁
Double parking already caught out bus drivers in Anstruther too, who couldn’t get down a street and couldn’t reverse back up it as another bus behind them…….genius.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Mon 15 Sep 19:30
This doesn`t feel well thought through or part of any long term planning for maintenance/replacement of pavements and roads.
I drove through Abbeyview the other day and Whitelaw and Blacklaw Roads are a nightmare.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 15 Sep 19:42
Quote:
Jeffery, Mon 15 Sept 19:30
This doesn`t feel well thought through or part of any long term planning for maintenance/replacement of pavements and roads.
I drove through Abbeyview the other day and Whitelaw and Blacklaw Roads are a nightmare.
Experienced the same. Slalom between parked cars. I noticed more people are parking on the road on Halbeath Road rather than the pavements between the trees.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 15 Sep 21:46
Wing mirror sales should go up?
Get a dotted line down the pavement. Allow cars to park a little on and still leave room for a pram etc
How about FC make everyone accountable? Many times I’ve had to walk on the road as empty bins are scattered across the pavements.
Brucefield Avenue and Dewar street spring to mind as two examples
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Mon 15 Sep 22:04
I suspect there are a few folks at the Council delighted with themselves, crowing about how they nailed a DEI objective. Unfortunately it looks like they rushed it through in the simplest way possible. Everyone agrees that it is a worthy objective (and councils up and down the country will follow suit over the next few years), but it really needs thought through, taking account the current realities of our urban streets and car culture. I’m sure a solution can be found, but it will take time, sensible thinking, and money to implement…
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 15 Sep 22:11
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Mon 15 Sep 21:46
Wing mirror sales should go up?
Get a dotted line down the pavement. Allow cars to park a little on and still leave room for a pram etc
How about FC make everyone accountable? Many times I’ve had to walk on the road as empty bins are scattered across the pavements.
Brucefield Avenue and Dewar street spring to mind as two examples
I actually had that thought earlier about a dotted line or something on the pavement
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 15 Sep 22:20
DEI should d.i.e
I don’t understand how we can think that we can solve our problems by discriminating openly.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 15 Sep 22:40
Quote:
NMCmassive, Mon 15 Sept 22:11
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Mon 15 Sep 21:46
Wing mirror sales should go up?
Get a dotted line down the pavement. Allow cars to park a little on and still leave room for a pram etc
How about FC make everyone accountable? Many times I’ve had to walk on the road as empty bins are scattered across the pavements.
Brucefield Avenue and Dewar street spring to mind as two examples
I actually had that thought earlier about a dotted line or something on the pavement
Fife Council can`t even paint lines on the road and speed bumps. I`m fairly sure they DO have some lines on the pavement in Abbeyview but it`s for a disabled bay.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Thu 2 Oct 15:16
Well, a month on from the ban and motorists in my street are plucking up the courage to park on the pavements again. Not in a way that forces pedestrians onto the road but a la Jim Leishman, with 2 wheels on the kerb.
Quite sensible really, as it allows for 2 way traffic to flow instead of causing frustration at the gridlock, but wait until Fife Council send the Traffic Gestapo along. 😱
If any poster knows where I live please keep it to yourself. 🤫
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Thu 2 Oct 18:01
Isn`t the rule that you leave 1.5m on the pavement? So you CAN park as long as there`s space for chairs and buggies.
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Thu 2 Oct 22:47
Quote:
jake89, Thu 2 Oct 18:01
Isn`t the rule that you leave 1.5m on the pavement? So you CAN park as long as there`s space for chairs and buggies.
That would be far too sensible, Jake. I believe that rule only applies to delivery drivers and emergency vehicles, and even then only park like that for the minimum time possible.
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Thu 2 Oct 23:32
Quote:
Milos Drizzle, Thu 2 Oct 22:47
Quote:
jake89, Thu 2 Oct 18:01
Isn`t the rule that you leave 1.5m on the pavement? So you CAN park as long as there`s space for chairs and buggies.
That would be far too sensible, Jake. I believe that rule only applies to delivery drivers and emergency vehicles, and even then only park like that for the minimum time possible.
...and provost`s picking up a chippy 🤣
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Topic Originator: Athletico
Date: Fri 3 Oct 08:42
Councils have had years to get this right, the Parking Ban was voted through Parliament in 2019, it`s just utter incompetence from Councils.
I stay out in a village in West Fife, but visit Dunfermline regularly. My first experience of driving round the toon post parking ban was on returning from holiday from the emptiness of Harris & Lewis. It was quite the contrast.
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Fri 3 Oct 09:06
When’s the next council elections? I’ll be taking a much keener interest in them this time to make feelings known, and cast votes accordingly. Pavement parking ban has a very noble aim, but was executed in a shockingly poor (cheap?) and lazy way.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 3 Oct 10:17
This is a Scottish Gov decision not council.
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Topic Originator: Athletico
Date: Fri 3 Oct 11:43
Quote:
jake89, Fri 3 Oct 10:17
This is a Scottish Gov decision not council.
True, but its local authority Transport Committees that have implemented it, therefore local councillors.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 3 Oct 15:53
Quote:
Athletico, Fri 3 Oct 11:43
Quote:
jake89, Fri 3 Oct 10:17
This is a Scottish Gov decision, not council.
True, but its local authority Transport Committees that have implemented it, therefore local councillors.
Exactly. The Council has known that this was to be implemented for 2 years. It should have been painting lines on pavements that are wide enough to accommodate pedestrians with prams/pushchairs/wheelchairs and parked cars. This has been done for pavements shared with cyclists, so why not for parked cars. Pavements not wide enough for both could allow cars to park with 2 wheels on the pavement as long as this leaves enough room for the aforementioned pedestrians.
Not exactly rocket science... 🙄
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Fri 3 Oct 18:45
They could even have embarked on a hearts and minds campaign to alert people to the issues of pavement parking. It wouldn’t have stopped issues completely, but I bet it would have significantly reduced incidences of folks parking excessively on the pavement.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Fri 3 Oct 19:46
Bin day today. Had to walk on the road as the pavements were blocked
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Fri 3 Oct 19:50
Quote:
Milos Drizzle, Fri 3 Oct 18:45
They could even have embarked on a hearts and minds campaign to alert people to the issues of pavement parking. It wouldn’t have stopped issues completely, but I bet it would have significantly reduced incidences of folks parking excessively on the pavement.
There were adverts about pavement parking on TV and on posters for years. As always, the few ruin it for the many. As mentioned before, one of my neighbours used to have a regular guest who would park their entire car on the pavement. Absolute bellend.
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Topic Originator: shellypar
Date: Sun 5 Oct 17:28
Quote:
jake89, Fri 3 Oct 19:50
Quote:
Milos Drizzle, Fri 3 Oct 18:45
They could even have embarked on a hearts and minds campaign to alert people to the issues of pavement parking. It wouldn’t have stopped issues completely, but I bet it would have significantly reduced incidences of folks parking excessively on the pavement.
There were adverts about pavement parking on TV and on posters for years. As always, the few ruin it for the many. As mentioned before, one of my neighbours used to have a regular guest who would park their entire car on the pavement. Absolute bellend.
Tv and posters, never seen anything on my telly, and these days alot of young folk wont see alot unless its on social media, i for one never knew this was a thing until it was on dunfermline press recently
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Sun 5 Oct 18:55
I must have missed the media campaign also. Compare with the campaigns against speeding, and the drink-driving ones. I think most people are reasonable, and such a campaign would provide a wake-up call for all but the most ignorant offenders.
The council could also have mandated a 1.5m clear pavement, and sold 1.5m rules at cost - no need for signs, line painting, exemptions etc.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 5 Oct 23:18
Every councillor, MSP, MP and Fife Council have had it on their socials. That`s in addition to the national safer Scotland campaign that`s been on TV, posters, social media, side of buses...
Not sure how you can have missed it! I`ll bet it was promoted on Kingdom FM or whatever it`s called now.
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Mon 6 Oct 00:29
Quote:
jake89, Sun 5 Oct 23:18
Every councillor, MSP, MP and Fife Council have had it on their socials. That`s in addition to the national safer Scotland campaign that`s been on TV, posters, social media, side of buses...
Not sure how you can have missed it! I`ll bet it was promoted on Kingdom FM or whatever it`s called now.
Fair point! But miss it i did. I don’t listen to radio much at all these days, actively avoid ads on TV via recordings, and filter out ads for the most part subconsciously. And I don’t follow folks on socials. Begs the question quite how public information messages would reach the likes of me! :)
ETA: I presume you’re taking about a campaign to change folks behaviour, as opposed to just warning about the impending ban? As the latter would not change behaviour - folks in our street parked as normal partially on the pavement until the day of the ban.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 6 Oct 12:10
Campaigns were for both. They had visuals like a parent having to push a pram on the road alongside the date it was implemented in Fife. Any visitor to Edinburgh should have been used to it and I think they did a month where people just got advisory stickers.
I live on a pretty narrow road so it`s annoying when someone parks fully on the road but not as annoying as if I was in a wheelchair and I had to go back down the street to a drop kerb to then wheel myself back up the road.
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Mon 6 Oct 14:16
I think we can all agree that blocking wheelchairs on the pavement is completely unacceptable, and have all seen instances where imbeciles have done just that.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 6 Oct 15:26
People not knowing how to park is just as bad - parking on double yellows across from other parked cars blocking roads, parking in loading bays whilst going into shops for food, parking behind lorries in bus stops - the list goes on and on making life hard for professional drivers and sweet f**k all gets done about it.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 6 Oct 16:14
Quote:
Milos Drizzle, Mon 6 Oct 14:16
I think we can all agree that blocking wheelchairs on the pavement is completely unacceptable, and have all seen instances where imbeciles have done just that.
Seen it today actually. They’d parked their car on the pavement leading to retirement/care in the community housing. Old boy stuck in his scooter thingy waiting for whoever to come back.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 6 Oct 17:24
Quote:
Dave_1885, Mon 6 Oct 15:26
People not knowing how to park is just as bad - parking on double yellows across from other parked cars blocking roads, parking in loading bays whilst going into shops for food, parking behind lorries in bus stops - the list goes on and on making life hard for professional drivers and sweet f**k all gets done about it.
Parking in the drop off bays at Tesco, parking in the disabled or parent bays without any need, parking on the road but on a corner where the drop kerb is for wheelchairs, parking on the bloody New Row every single bloody day...
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 26 Oct 18:43
I wonder if it`s time for us all to follow a plan of civil disobedience regarding this nonsensical ban?
This week, I`ve tried to negotiate my way up Blacklaw Road with cars parked on both sides of the road and on Friday past the Mosque on Woodmill Road - total gridlock each time. In both cases, the pavements are wide enough to allow cars to park with two wheels on the pavement and still leave ample room for pedestrians with prams or wheelchairs.
A few cars in both streets WERE parked illegally, which got me thinking that we should all do it..... 🤔
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 27 Oct 06:49
Quote:
GG Riva, Sun 26 Oct 18:43
I wonder if it`s time for us all to follow a plan of civil disobedience regarding this nonsensical ban?
This week, I`ve tried to negotiate my way up Blacklaw Road with cars parked on both sides of the road and on Friday past the Mosque on Woodmill Road - total gridlock each time. In both cases, the pavements are wide enough to allow cars to park with two wheels on the pavement and still leave ample room for pedestrians with prams or wheelchairs.
A few cars in both streets WERE parked illegally, which got me thinking that we should all do it..... 🤔
Saw a car with a ticket on it coming into town via Carnock road. The issue on Woodmill road is the vans rather than cars. Complete pain.
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Mon 27 Oct 20:38
Quote:
GG Riva, Sun 26 Oct 18:43
I wonder if it`s time for us all to follow a plan of civil disobedience regarding this nonsensical ban?
This week, I`ve tried to negotiate my way up Blacklaw Road with cars parked on both sides of the road and on Friday past the Mosque on Woodmill Road - total gridlock each time. In both cases, the pavements are wide enough to allow cars to park with two wheels on the pavement and still leave ample room for pedestrians with prams or wheelchairs.
A few cars in both streets WERE parked illegally, which got me thinking that we should all do it..... 🤔
Hopefully (although I don’t see it happening) the council will use common sense and allow parking on the road in these circumstances or mark areas where you can park on the pavement - like a half parking space painted on the pavement or something 🤷🏻♂️
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Mon 27 Oct 21:56
I`m pretty sure people are still parking between the trees on Halbeath Road and the west end of Aberdour Road. The pavements are wide enough to allow it.
The biggest issue in the UK is all these houses built when cars were rare so there`s no driveway or it only takes one car. I`m not that old (shh...) but I remember when 2 car households were still fairly rare. Cars are also a lot wider than they used to be. The current Polo must be bigger than the old Golf.
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Topic Originator: Milos Drizzle
Date: Mon 27 Oct 22:24
I don’t think any cars are parking on the pavement on Halbeath Road or Aberdour Road.
As for planing, I’m in a 10 year old new build and the council in their wisdom only required one parking space per house (all 3 bedroom). Not even space to put a second parking space in the front garden. Most houses have two cars. With additional folks parking there too, it can be like a slalom driving down the street!
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 28 Oct 07:13
Quote:
jake89, Mon 27 Oct 21:56
I`m pretty sure people are still parking between the trees on Halbeath Road and the west end of Aberdour Road. The pavements are wide enough to allow it.
The biggest issue in the UK is all these houses built when cars were rare so there`s no driveway or it only takes one car. I`m not that old (shh...) but I remember when 2 car households were still fairly rare. Cars are also a lot wider than they used to be. The current Polo must be bigger than the old Golf.
Cars are 100% bigger than in the past. We went to park in an NPC car park in Glasgow the other week just off George Square - every car out the front of the spaces and my @rse was going like the clappers driving round it, having to do 2/3 3 point turns to get round bends etc. The Mrs didn’t trust my parking either despite getting into a space.
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