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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 25 Jul 10:05
Crazy scenes and stories over the last 10 days of the raging wildfires in the Cairngorms.
Nethy Bridge evacuated, smoke reaching the North Sea and Police declaring a Major Incident.
These things will become more of the norm with hotter and longer drier spells in the summer.
Post Edited (Sat 25 Jul 10:07)
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Sat 25 Jul 11:05
Started at the Ryvoan Bothy.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 25 Jul 17:01
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Sat 25 Jul 11:05
Started at the Ryvoan Bothy.
Hopefully the perpetrators can be identified? A high percentage of wild fires are caused by humans. There needs to be greater awareness, responsibility and accountability
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Sat 25 Jul 17:01)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 25 Jul 17:11
A high percentage is also caused naturally and with Gorse and hHeather being highly flammable it doesn’t help.
I guess it takes time to get to the bottom of it.
Worryingly it is showing how far behind we are for dealing with these the more they happen.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 25 Jul 17:43
I think I heard on Scotcast recently Dave that around 90% are human caused.
A lot of the land management is questionable too.... more focussed on money from shooting that managing the land as it best could be.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sat 25 Jul 18:08
News on radio going full tilt on the fires in France & Spain, ain`t nothing new as way back in 1994 we were sitting on a beach on the Costa Brava with soot falling on us from forest fires.
The ferocity and spread may have changed, but it`s true that most are started by humans.
Only hope that all that are involved in fighting them come home safely!🚒🙏
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 25 Jul 18:25
Did you ever have to fight a wildfire, LA?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 25 Jul 19:37
Thats poor from you Raymie
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 25 Jul 19:38
Quote:
Buspasspar, Sat 25 Jul 19:37
Thats poor from you Raymie
How come? Reason is that it’s just seems to be in recent years that these have become common. LA is an ex fireman
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Sat 25 Jul 19:40)
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Sat 25 Jul 20:43
Quote:
Buspasspar, Sat 25 Jul 19:37
Thats poor from you Raymie
It was clearly not a dig.
Never felt historically like they were this big, or impacted so many people.
While it could be that we now manage risk differently or better, or there are simply more people, it certainly feels like they are bigger in scale.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sat 25 Jul 20:55
Raymie
Please accept my apology .. thought you were having a dig at LA
My Bad
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 25 Jul 21:09
Quote:
Buspasspar, Sat 25 Jul 20:55
Raymie
Please accept my apology .. thought you were having a dig at LA
My Bad
Accepted. It was just a misunderstanding. No problem at all.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
Post Edited (Sat 25 Jul 21:10)
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 25 Jul 21:29
Quote:
ipswichpar, Sat 25 Jul 20:43
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Buspasspar, Sat 25 Jul 19:37
Thats poor from you Raymie
It was clearly not a dig.
Never felt historically like they were this big, or impacted so many people.
While it could be that we now manage risk differently or better, or there are simply more people, it certainly feels like they are bigger in scale.
I think the difference is we havent been used to them, and they are going to become more common now with the climate in the summer.
Not denying the stats btw - today at Burntisland shows I stated to the mrs that the grass was a tinderbox, where literally seconds later a ride operator and a member of the public both lit up fags in the middle of the grassy field……it beggars belief.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sun 26 Jul 11:05
Not sure if this is a potential cause but years ago I was on Ulva and a local informed me that they aren`t allowed to cut back the gorse as early anymore for wildlife.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 26 Jul 14:15
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sat 25 Jul 21:09
Quote:
Buspasspar, Sat 25 Jul 20:55
Raymie
Please accept my apology .. thought you were having a dig at LA
My Bad
Accepted. It was just a misunderstanding. No problem at all.
OK guys, let peace break out!👍
Spent many a fine day on Mossmoran fighting fires that popped up anywhere due to the peat that was very prevalent there, a hot and exhausting exercise.
One such event lasted days, fortunately I had taken the day off to go to the Scotland v England match!
Lucky escape 🤔🏴
When i was at Training School, Gullane 1973, there was a bad one up at Blairadam or Devilla, when wind direction changed and managed to scortch one of the fire engines. It was classed as a "crown fire" ie when the fire jumps across the tops of trees, and roads.😱
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Topic Originator: NMCmassive
Date: Sun 26 Jul 14:24
I watched a video from a farmer working the field that way. He was basically complaining that since the whole re-wilding thing started they’ve not been allowed to manage the land. He was saying there are a lot less fire breaks and there are no more controlled winter burns that were used to prevent summer fires.
Is this another win for the net zero/eco warriors?
COYP
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 26 Jul 14:24
Your Gullane training school is flats now L A .. Lovely building
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 26 Jul 14:38
Quote:
Buspasspar, Sun 26 Jul 14:24
Your Gullane training school is flats now L A .. Lovely building
Yeah saw that, pubs must be feeling the strain down Gullane way!
Should have kept the school as it was, now Cambuslang is main training base, in Strathclyde region as everything became after integration to Scottish Fire Service!😡
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 26 Jul 20:07
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sat 25 Jul 17:11
A high percentage is also caused naturally and with Gorse and heather being highly flammable it doesn’t help.
Forgive me for being a tad cynical about that statement, Dave. How exactly does heather and gorse catch fire "naturally"?
When I was in my early 20s, I was convinced fires could be started by a carelessly discarded cigarette end and said so among some mates. One of them offered me £10 (a fair sum then) if I could start a fire with a burning cig.It was hot and dry. He gave me a cig and a lighter. I gathered some dry grass, lit the cig and placed the grass gently around it. I then blew gently on the burning cig until it was completely consumed. The dry grass charred and blackened but stubbornly refused to produce a flame.
Since that day, I`ve had a real problem in believing any of these wildfires are not deliberate acts of arson. Please tell me I`m mistaken.
ETA. A quick Google lists volcanoes and lightning as natural fire starters but perhaps we can say these are pretty rare in Scotland. 🤔
Not your average Sunday League player.
Post Edited (Sun 26 Jul 20:48)
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Topic Originator: twin par
Date: Sun 26 Jul 20:16
Disposable barbecues are a nightmare.They take hours to go out naturally,people just walk away a just leave them.
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Topic Originator: JnrB
Date: Mon 27 Jul 08:38
I do alot of hill walking and rural walking, you can see where wildfires have been or are actively burning (mostly contained to `small` heather patches)
They are in locations where no human will be so can only be classed as naturally occurring fires in prolonged dry spells.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 27 Jul 11:18
Quote:
JnrB, Mon 27 Jul 08:38
I do alot of hill walking and rural walking, you can see where wildfires have been or are actively burning (mostly contained to `small` heather patches)
They are in locations where no human will be so can only be classed as naturally occurring fires in prolonged dry spells.
And how do you think they start, JnrB? The temperature would have to be really high for us to hypothesise spontaneous combustion.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: JnrB
Date: Mon 27 Jul 14:31
I don’t know, I’m not an expert on spontaneous combustion. Just saying what I’ve seen over the past few years when out and about in the middle of nowhere. I walked a Munro last year during the early summer drought, from the summit you could see a dozen seperate small wildfires, all in the middle of nowhere which aren’t accessible by humans unless they had walked for pointless miles through heather and undergrowth.
Google says dry heather is easily combustible and built up organic matter creates its own heat as it decays, with drought and the heat of the sun it can spontaneously combust.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Mon 27 Jul 16:12
I`m sure one of the experts on Scotcast referred to us having an abundance of the "wrong sort of peat"..... too deep and didnt retain enough liquid so the heat problems start underground.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Mon 27 Jul 17:16
Quote:
twin par, Sun 26 Jul 20:16
Disposable barbecues are a nightmare.They take hours to go out naturally,people just walk away a just leave them.
Haven’t the authorities advised retailers not to sell disposable barbecues in the current circumstances ?
All sorts of things can cause a fire hazard in adverse conditions - back in the dry 1976 summer the military had to stop firing live and blank ammo on exercises.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 27 Jul 20:49
Does burnt vegetation eventually recover or is that it ?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Mon 27 Jul 21:42
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Mon 27 Jul 20:49
Does burnt vegetation eventually recover or is that it ?
Not sure about heather and Gorse, but grass will regenerate naturally. One of the Planet Earths showed that its root survive fire and it regrows once the conditions change.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Tue 28 Jul 02:15
Quote:
Topic Originator: JnrB
Date: Mon 27 Jul 14:31
Google says dry heather is easily combustible and built up organic matter creates its own heat as it decays, with drought and the heat of the sun it can spontaneously combust.
Utter *****.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 28 Jul 08:49
Quote:
JnrB, Mon 27 Jul 14:31
I don’t know, I’m not an expert on spontaneous combustion. Just saying what I’ve seen over the past few years when out and about in the middle of nowhere. I walked a Munro last year during the early summer drought, from the summit you could see a dozen seperate small wildfires, all in the middle of nowhere which aren’t accessible by humans unless they had walked for pointless miles through heather and undergrowth.
Google says dry heather is easily combustible and built up organic matter creates its own heat as it decays, with drought and the heat of the sun it can spontaneously combust.
I`m as expert as you, mate. I do know that the concentration of oxygen affects the temperature at which spontaneous combustion can take place. It`s generally accepted that the average oxygen concentration at sea level is just under 21%. Scientists say that if it increases by just 3 to 4% spontaneous combustion can take place in hot, dry weather such as Europe is experiencing now. Perhaps this is the case around forests where photosynthesis is increasing oxygen levels to those required for tinder dry vegetation to burst into flames. 🤔
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Tue 28 Jul 15:01
Quote:
Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 28 Jul 08:49
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Perhaps this is the case around forests where photosynthesis is increasing oxygen levels to those required for tinder dry vegetation to burst into flames.
It doesn`t.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Tue 28 Jul 18:43
The firefighters will have hopefully been helped this morning, it was bucketing it down up in Aberdeen all morning! If it had comes over from the West it will have helped dampen down some of the hot spots.
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Topic Originator: ipswichpar
Date: Tue 28 Jul 19:56
That`s the way it came, thankfully according to UK Rain Radar.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 29 Jul 09:10
Quote:
Bletchley_Par, Tue 28 Jul 15:01
Quote:
Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 28 Jul 08:49
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Perhaps this is the case around forests where photosynthesis is increasing oxygen levels to those required for tinder dry vegetation to burst into flames.
It doesn`t.
I was just throwing that into the mix, BP. According to some sources, only 84/85% of wildfires are caused by human activity. I don`t believe the remaining 15% can be attributed solely to lightning strikes and volcanoes, so where does that leave us?
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Wed 29 Jul 09:28
According to Google spontaneous combustion can be found in nature - peatland is a potential risk in certain conditions.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Wed 29 Jul 10:31
Had spontaneous combustion many times when farmer`s Dutch barns went up, mostly due to hay not being treated correctly!
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 29 Jul 11:20
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Wed 29 Jul 10:31
Had spontaneous combustion many times when farmer`s Dutch barns went up, mostly due to hay not being treated correctly!
We once had spontaneous combustion in the hay barn at Urquhart Farm, but Tam Devlin (Ghandi) was frying up some sausages at the same time, so that may have also been a factor. 🤔
The hay burned for over a week, in spite of the efforts of the Dunfermline Fire Service.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Bletchley_Par
Date: Wed 29 Jul 12:51
Quote:
Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 29 Jul 09:10
I was just throwing that into the mix, BP. According to some sources, only 84/85% of wildfires are caused by human activity. I don`t believe the remaining 15% can be attributed solely to lightning strikes and volcanoes, so where does that leave us?
With the unescapable conclusion that we are either dealing with some kind of divine intervention or the 85% of wildfires caused by human activity is inaccurate.
We know why barns explode.
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