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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sat 30 Sep 21:18
Liverpool had a goal disallowed for offside v Spurs for offside given by the on-field officials. VAR didn`t bother checking the offside, and it turned out he was actually onside. Shambles from start to finish and conspiracy minded Liverpool fans will wonder if Man City losing earlier had a part to play in that... (Narrator: it didn`t)
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sat 30 Sep 21:27
Quote:
kelty_par, Sat 30 Sep 21:18
Liverpool had a goal disallowed for offside v Spurs for offside given by the on-field officials. VAR didn`t bother checking the offside, and it turned out he was actually onside. Shambles from start to finish and conspiracy minded Liverpool fans will wonder if Man City losing earlier had a part to play in that... (Narrator: it didn`t)
I honestly don`t understand the English and Scottish FAs use of the systems. It`s terrible.
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Sat 30 Sep 21:46
Never a sending off for Jones either and Jota first booking wasn`t a yellow. Referee had a shocker as well as VAR. He made some bizarre booking to both teams.
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Topic Originator: 1985Par
Date: Sat 30 Sep 22:45
VAR is part of the problem. The bigger issue for me is that the people who make the rules and those who enforce them are clueless. Liverpool game perfect example. Jota’s first booking is laughable- the ref should be made to justify why he booked jota for the first yellow. And the still image made the jones tackle look premeditated and malicious, which it absolutely wasn’t.
Post Edited (Sat 30 Sep 23:03)
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Sat 30 Sep 23:02
The offside decision against Liverpool was scandalous. What are they paying these VAR officials for? You could see it was onside from the cut of the grass. Surely there must be repercussions.
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Topic Originator: Big T Par
Date: Sat 30 Sep 23:07
Absolutely scandalous decision. Get VAR tae fuc. K
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 30 Sep 23:08
Anything that gets it right up Klopp is fine by me
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Sun 1 Oct 08:10
VAR isn`t the problem, it`s up to the people who use it, and the rules they are supposed to enforce. It works fine in other sports.
The offside yesterday was given by the onfield official, and if there wasn`t VAR, all Liverpool fans would be screaming wanting VAR... And instead the topic would be talking about the incompetence of the officials, which is what should be being discussed. Offside is the most black and white rule in football, and to get it so wrong considering the tech they have at their disposal is shocking.
The Jones sending off, is a red card. It`s unlucky, but if you go over the top of the ball, you are endangering you opponent.
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Topic Originator: NikNakPar
Date: Sun 1 Oct 08:47
Quote:
d3monstrate, Sun 1 Oct 08:10
VAR isn`t the problem, it`s up to the people who use it, and the rules they are supposed to enforce. It works fine in other sports.
The offside yesterday was given by the onfield official, and if there wasn`t VAR, all Liverpool fans would be screaming wanting VAR... And instead the topic would be talking about the incompetence of the officials, which is what should be being discussed. Offside is the most black and white rule in football, and to get it so wrong considering the tech they have at their disposal is shocking.
The Jones sending off, is a red card. It`s unlucky, but if you go over the top of the ball, you are endangering you opponent.
I fully agree regarding the Jones red card. Red card all day long.
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Topic Originator: Berry
Date: Sun 1 Oct 09:01
VAR system itself is brilliant, it’s just finding people who are competent enough to use it.
It was cringe, if you watched the game the Diaz goal looked clearly onside and there was a snapshot of the refs face and he just went white, you just knew he was being told it should’ve been a goal and he had no idea what to do next.
Post Edited (Sun 01 Oct 09:32)
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 1 Oct 09:12
I read somewhere that the var ref knew it was offside but thought the ref had given the goal and advised no change to original decision
Absolute 🤡
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 1 Oct 09:22
From Aunty :-
Referees` body PGMOL has admitted the decision to disallow Luis Diaz`s goal in nine-man Liverpool`s 2-1 loss to Tottenham Hotspur was "a significant human error".
At 0-0 and with the Reds a man down, Liverpool winger Diaz`s goal was ruled out following an unusually quick video assistant referee (VAR) check by Darren England, in which the customary offside line graphic was not shown.
"PGMOL acknowledge a significant human error occurred," the statement read. "PGMOL will conduct a full review."
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Sun 1 Oct 10:54
VAR as a system isn`t the issue it`s getting used wrong and the rules haven`t been modified to suit the new system.
Systems like VAR work in every other sport with very little glitch how football can still be getting it so wrong is a joke.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Sun 1 Oct 11:09
Darren England has been replaced as the fourth official for Sunday`s Premier League game between Nottingham Forest and Brentford after his error as the video assistant referee during Liverpool`s defeat at Tottenham.
England failed to overturn an incorrect decision on the pitch to disallow a Luis Diaz goal for offside as the Reds were beaten 2-1 on Saturday.
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sun 1 Oct 13:49
Quote:
Buspasspar, Sun 1 Oct 11:09
Darren England has been replaced as the fourth official for Sunday`s Premier League game between Nottingham Forest and Brentford after his error as the video assistant referee during Liverpool`s defeat at Tottenham.
England failed to overturn an incorrect decision on the pitch to disallow a Luis Diaz goal for offside as the Reds were beaten 2-1 on Saturday.
And so he should. In fact, he should miss quite a lot more games
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 1 Oct 13:53
Does the VAR official operate on his own? If he`d had his granny with him surely she would have advised him to have another look. (no offence to grannies intended).
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Topic Originator: ParfectXI
Date: Sun 1 Oct 14:24
wee eck wrote:
> Does the VAR official operate on his own? If he`d had his
> granny with him surely she would have advised him to have
> another look. (no offence to grannies intended).
>
>
VAR is a good thing if used correctly- take a look at Rugby for instance, however it’s still up to a human to make the decisions. It’s a straightforward system where the likes of goals and cards can be looked at again by a two pro referees that are sitting in a purpose built studio that have 6-8 cameras footage to gain the correct decision. If the decision is a marginal one or could go either way the decision can then be thrown back to the referee onfield who then has a monitor he can see whatever camera/angle he wishes to to gain the right result.
They have all the facilities there for them it’s just down to how they use them (and what the rules allow them to use it for)
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 1 Oct 14:34
So TWO VAR officials thought Liverpool`s goal was offside?!!!
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Sun 1 Oct 14:48
What RtL said, I also saw reports that they knew the player was onside, however though the on pitch call was a goal, so told the referee to stick with their decision... So how both missed it is nuts, but for none of them to even confirm what the decision meant is worse. I guess we will find out in a few weeks when the audio exchange is released
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sun 1 Oct 15:16
Quote:
wee eck, Sun 1 Oct 14:34
So TWO VAR officials thought Liverpool`s goal was offside?!!!
Its not just any old VAR officials though - the people watching VAR are actual tier 1 Premier League Refs! Thats the staggering part with it all…
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sun 1 Oct 16:19
About time refs mics were broadcast in the ground.
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Topic Originator: ParfectXI
Date: Sun 1 Oct 16:32
Mic the refs up so fans can hear and put the VAR calls on the big screens at the clubs (if available) just like they do at the rugby. That could help clear things up, mind you fans only see what they want to see. You can have a video of the greatest tackle ever and opposition fans will still vehemently say it’s a penalty.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Sun 1 Oct 17:00
Quote:
ParfectXI, Sun 1 Oct 16:32
Mic the refs up so fans can hear and put the VAR calls on the big screens at the clubs (if available) just like they do at the rugby. That could help clear things up, mind you fans only see what they want to see. You can have a video of the greatest tackle ever and opposition fans will still vehemently say it’s a penalty.
Only issue I can see, Rugby refs are generally far more competent than their footballing counterparts. I can just imagine the horror of Kevin Clancy drivelling over the tannoy
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Sun 1 Oct 17:12
Surely now the protocol will be changed so they confirm the decision as well. So rather than "check complete", it will be "check complete - goal" or "check complete - offside" or "check complete - corner" or whatever. Seems an obvious thing that should have probably been in place already.
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Topic Originator: fcda
Date: Sun 1 Oct 19:49
Seems sensible.
In the rugby the ref will explicitly say to the TMO, [I]"on field decision is try, I just want to confirm the grounding" or whatever, before getting their opinion.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Mon 2 Oct 09:56
Human error, and VAR has got far far more things right than wrong.
Klopp puts his cynical/sarcastic/here we go again face on when the ref is called to the screen and it looks like it might be unfavourable for his side. Also his repeated haranguing of touch line fourth officials in particular over the years has been appalling
Post Edited (Mon 02 Oct 10:06)
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Topic Originator: BA
Date: Mon 2 Oct 22:12
Typical Man Utd fan.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 2 Oct 22:58
Klopp is a classless Tw*t
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Tue 3 Oct 07:16
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 2 Oct 22:58
Klopp is a classless Tw*t
Apart from that, he`s alright, though? 😉
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Tue 3 Oct 07:27
This is a phycologists thesis happening directly in front of our eyes.
Humans always have a premeditated bias. This is fact. Have they ever ran paired analysis of the decisions between different officials and within officials for a group of decisions. If not then VAR will always suffer from premeditated (even though it is unknown the official) bias. It is a simple fact of human nature.
So the system must be designed to remove that bias as much as possible.
Does anyone know how VAR was tested?
Scientifically Klopp could be correct.
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Topic Originator: Paralex
Date: Tue 3 Oct 22:39
Listening to the shambles (tonight) of the 4 VAR officials at the Spurs/Liverpool game, sounded like 4 wee boys pulled out of the crowd and asked to look after the VAR. So unprofessional that it`s hard to believe the English Premiership bought into that.
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Topic Originator: alwaysaPar
Date: Tue 3 Oct 22:58
Just get together and come to some kind of plan like other sports do, it really isn`t that difficult .
Once you have the basics then every manager can go with it
Especially the Man Utd ones.....🤪
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Topic Originator: GG4
Date: Wed 4 Oct 08:41
Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Mon 2 Oct 22:58
Klopp is a classless Tw*t
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
[IP address logged]
And here he is. The forum bin fire giving his pearls of wisdom.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 4 Oct 14:09
From BBC Sport :-
`Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp wants the Premier League game against Tottenham to be replayed after Luis Diaz`s goal was wrongly disallowed by the video assistant referee. VAR Darren England and assistant Dan Cook did not overrule when Diaz was flagged offside at 0-0 on Saturday. Liverpool lost 2-1 thanks to a 96th-minute own goal from Joel Matip. "Something like this never happened, so that is why I think a replay is the right thing to do," said Klopp.
Referees` body PGMOL released the audio of discussions between the match officials over the offside on Monday. In the audio, England says the check is "perfect" before swearing when he realises a mistake has been made.
Klopp said: "The audio didn`t change it at all. It is an obvious mistake. There should be solutions for that. The outcome should be a replay. But it probably won`t happen. The argument against that would be it opens the gates. It is unprecedented. I`m used to wrong and difficult decisions, but something like this never happened."`
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 4 Oct 14:26
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 4 Oct 14:09
From BBC Sport :-
`Liverpool manager Jurgen Klopp wants the Premier League game against Tottenham to be replayed after Luis Diaz`s goal was wrongly disallowed by the video assistant referee. VAR Darren England and assistant Dan Cook did not overrule when Diaz was flagged offside at 0-0 on Saturday. Liverpool lost 2-1 thanks to a 96th-minute own goal from Joel Matip. "Something like this never happened, so that is why I think a replay is the right thing to do," said Klopp.
Referees` body PGMOL released the audio of discussions between the match officials over the offside on Monday. In the audio, England says the check is "perfect" before swearing when he realises a mistake has been made.
Klopp said: "The audio didn`t change it at all. It is an obvious mistake. There should be solutions for that. The outcome should be a replay. But it probably won`t happen. The argument against that would be it opens the gates. It is unprecedented. I`m used to wrong and difficult decisions, but something like this never happened."`
He would then moan that his players are playing too many games 🙄
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Topic Originator: d3monstrate
Date: Wed 4 Oct 16:19
"Something like this has never happened"
Really? So officials have never got a decision wrong in the history of football? Just because there are more people and tech to prevent this, doesn`t mean mistakes can`t be made. And the amount of time PGMOL have had to apologise for VAR decisions suggests that this HAS happened before...
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Topic Originator: DA-go Par Adonis
Date: Wed 4 Oct 17:10
He`s not saying that officials have never got a decision wrong in the history of football.
He`s saying that this specific situation has not happened before, which seems accurate.
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I love it when we go sell Kevin Nisbet,
He's gonna pay for everyone this season.
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Topic Originator: AdamAntsParsStripe
Date: Wed 4 Oct 18:56
Having actually watched the press conference, he didn’t “demand a replay” as idiotic headlines portray but was offering an opinion as a football man all his life.
The mistake was very clear.
VAR thought the goal was given, it wasn’t.
When they realised, there was bleeped out swear words as they realised their mistake.
One VAR official called for halt in play but was overruled because game had restarted and the rules must be followed.
I don’t see the game being replayed but it will see an overhaul of the system so that nothing like that can happen again.
In an ideal world, Liverpool would be awarded one point and Spurs allowed to keep their three points.
Zwei Pints Bier und ein Päckchen Chips bitte
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Wed 4 Oct 19:13
Good post AAPS .. Its these sort of decisions than can cost teams a promotion or relegation .. the system is fine .. the numpty`s using it are not
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Wed 4 Oct 20:33
Quote:
d3monstrate, Wed 4 Oct 16:19
"Something like this has never happened"
Really? So officials have never got a decision wrong in the history of football? Just because there are more people and tech to prevent this, doesn`t mean mistakes can`t be made. And the amount of time PGMOL have had to apologise for VAR decisions suggests that this HAS happened before...
His point was clearly in relation to the VAR era. It’s hard to argue that Liverpool haven’t been disadvantaged here. This was a major error and it seems very likely that Liverpool will be the only team to have a goal wrongly disallowed for offside in a Premier League game this season.
Before VAR, and in leagues without VAR (like Dunfermline’s level), we are constantly told that these things even themselves out over the course of the season. However, it’s really hard to imagine any other Premier League team having to go through the same scenario this season, so this could prove crucial in any title race or battle for European places.
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 4 Oct 20:43
Quote:
GG Riva, Tue 3 Oct 07:16
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 2 Oct 22:58
Klopp is a classless Tw*t
Apart from that, he`s alright, though? 😉
Apologies if I offend any plastic Scousers but I just don`t like him. Always bleating on about all the decisions that go against Liverpool. No mention of those that go for them.
This was a terrible mistake all round and shouldn`t happen again but it`s still really funny that it`s Klopp/Liverpool who end up losing out 😆
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Wed 4 Oct 20:57
Quote:
da_no_1, Wed 4 Oct 20:43
Quote:
GG Riva, Tue 3 Oct 07:16
Quote:
da_no_1, Mon 2 Oct 22:58
Klopp is a classless Tw*t
Apart from that, he`s alright, though? 😉
Apologies if I offend any plastic Scousers but I just don`t like him. Always bleating on about all the decisions that go against Liverpool. No mention of those that go for them.
This was a terrible mistake all round and shouldn`t happen again but it`s still really funny that it`s Klopp/Liverpool who end up losing out 😆
Most managers are exactly the same, tbf, da. Happy to accept the rub of the green and bleat loud and long when it goes against their team. That was a pretty shocking affair, whether you like Liverpool or not.
There was a game replayed in the Bundesliga some years back when TV pictures showed that the ball passed outside the post and into the net via a hole. The ref awarded a goal.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Wed 4 Oct 22:34
I watched the Celtic game tonight and a Lazio player caught Hatate with a fist in the mouth. It looked deliberate to me, but no VAR check. 🤷
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Lambo1885
Date: Thu 5 Oct 07:58
"He`s saying that this specific situation has not happened before, which seems accurate."
Only in the fact that the error was a miscommunication / understanding and noticed during the game, not that a onside goal has been chopped off for offside.
Last season Wolves had one chopped off against Man Utd or Liverpool (sure it was one of them), where the frame used didn`t show the player in the corner playing everyone onside...
Wolves complained, got an apology and everyone moved on.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Thu 5 Oct 08:44
I think, actually, the bigger problem here is the Jones red card. The Diaz goal is purely a c*ck up - a bad one - but in the Jones red card the VAR team clearly influenced the decision by not following procedure correctly.
There`s a clear VAR protocol that says the intensity of an offence should be assessed at `normal speed`, with slow motion used to assess questions of `fact` (e.g offside). However as Hooper was walking to review the Jones red card you could see he was walking towards a still image of the contact, which looks really bad. They then showed the video of the tackle where Bissouma`s body obscures the fact that Jones` foot slips on top of the ball.
They never showed the angle that showed clearly that Jones` foot was deflected off the top of the ball making the contact point on Bissouma far higher than had Jones` foot continued in it`s original trajectory.
In my view - to use use rugby parlance - the fact that his football slips over the top of the ball is a mitigating circumstance. An indication that the the decision to book him was not a clear and obvious error - meaning that the on-field decision should stand.
You can debate whether it`s a red or not all day - but the VAR team clearly influenced the decision through the use of still images to amplify the intensity of the tackle, and by not showing the angles that offered alternative evidence to what they had already decided.
Post Edited (Thu 05 Oct 08:48)
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Thu 5 Oct 10:08
Quote:
Bandy, Thu 5 Oct 08:44
I think, actually, the bigger problem here is the Jones red card. The Diaz goal is purely a c*ck up - a bad one - but in the Jones red card the VAR team clearly influenced the decision by not following procedure correctly.
There`s a clear VAR protocol that says the intensity of an offence should be assessed at `normal speed`, with slow motion used to assess questions of `fact` (e.g offside). However as Hooper was walking to review the Jones red card you could see he was walking towards a still image of the contact, which looks really bad. They then showed the video of the tackle where Bissouma`s body obscures the fact that Jones` foot slips on top of the ball.
They never showed the angle that showed clearly that Jones` foot was deflected off the top of the ball making the contact point on Bissouma far higher than had Jones` foot continued in it`s original trajectory.
In my view - to use use rugby parlance - the fact that his football slips over the top of the ball is a mitigating circumstance. An indication that the the decision to book him was not a clear and obvious error - meaning that the on-field decision should stand.
You can debate whether it`s a red or not all day - but the VAR team clearly influenced the decision through the use of still images to amplify the intensity of the tackle, and by not showing the angles that offered alternative evidence to what they had already decided.
His foot slipping over the top of the ball only confirms how high the tackle was. He also came into the tackle with his studs showing which is dangerous in itself. Clear red card.
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Thu 5 Oct 11:37
A couple of points Warrington.
1. His foot slipping over the ball doesn`t prove anything re: the tackle height. That depends entirely on the position of the ball, which in this case was on the ground. had his foot made clean contact he probably wouldn`t have touched Bissouma (the slip off the ball slowed his foot down and raised it increasing the likelihood of contact).
2. Regardless of the above the point is that the VAR team did NOT follow the procedure correctly, which is the actual point I`m making irrespective of the `correctness` of the decision. The biggest complaint from fans is the inconsistency of decision making. It`s no surprise this inconsistency occurs given the VAR do not follow the established procedures consistently. This lack of consistency in procedure/protocol is probably why VAR is so much more controversial in England than it is in any other league.
PGMOL have got themselves into a right mess here, and it`s entirely of their own doing.
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Thu 5 Oct 12:39
Hi Bandy
Re. Your points
I take your point re protocol and you’re right on that one there is a process in place and it should be followed. Having heard the audio on the offside decision it’s no surprise that protocols weren’t followed, the team involved were amateurish at best.
In terms of the decision to send Jones off, I’ve just watched the match of the day footage and I’m stunned the ref needed VAR. to make the sending off decision. Jones foot is high with 6 studs showing, he does clip the ball but not enough for it to make one turn it pretty much stays where it was.
So to sum up in my view you are correct about protocol but the right decision was made to send Jones off.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 5 Oct 12:52
100% a red card by the rules of the game.
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Topic Originator: Parboiled
Date: Thu 5 Oct 14:43
Maybe I’m looking at the past through rose tinted hindsight but I don’t recall nasty over the top tackles being part of the black arts nearly so much , in the sixties/seventies anyway.
Another annoying thing is all this mass jumping on a scorer’s back. A recent example was one big lumpy guy going right over the head and ending up dangling upside down his team mate’s front..!
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Thu 5 Oct 14:52
Quote:
Parboiled, Thu 5 Oct 14:43
Maybe I’m looking at the past through rose tinted hindsight but I don’t recall nasty over the top tackles being part of the black arts nearly so much , in the sixties/seventies anyway.
Another annoying thing is all this mass jumping on a scorer’s back. A recent example was one big lumpy guy going right over the head and ending up dangling upside down his team mate’s front..!
I remember Dowie trying that when BMMMH Scotland in the game up at Ross County when Hardie had a strained back. Dowie got down VERY quickly 😂
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Thu 5 Oct 18:19
Quote:
Parboiled, Thu 5 Oct 14:43
Maybe I’m looking at the past through rose tinted hindsight but I don’t recall nasty over the top tackles being part of the black arts nearly so much , in the sixties/seventies anyway.
Another annoying thing is all this mass jumping on a scorer’s back. A recent example was one big lumpy guy going right over the head and ending up dangling upside down his team mate’s front..!
Was Bertie Auld not an expert in the "dark arts"?
My late father hated him with a vengeance!🤬😡🤬😡
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Topic Originator: Wotsit
Date: Thu 5 Oct 18:32
Aye Parboiled, in our day players just had a quick kiss with half a dozen of their team-mates then got on with the game.
The enemy travels by private jet, not by dinghy.
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Topic Originator: buffy
Date: Thu 5 Oct 18:51
I’d bring that back tbf, Wotsit, as long as it extended to some main stand attendees too 😊
Just while I’m here what’s happened to the magic sponge? Is it missing in action these days?
”Buffy’s Buns are the finest in Fife”, J. Spence 2019”
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Thu 5 Oct 18:53
Quote:
LochgellyAlbert, Thu 5 Oct 18:19
Quote:
Parboiled, Thu 5 Oct 14:43
Maybe I’m looking at the past through rose tinted hindsight but I don’t recall nasty over the top tackles being part of the black arts nearly so much , in the sixties/seventies anyway.
Another annoying thing is all this mass jumping on a scorer’s back. A recent example was one big lumpy guy going right over the head and ending up dangling upside down his team mate’s front..!
Was Bertie Auld not an expert in the "dark arts"?
My late father hated him with a vengeance!🤬😡🤬😡
My Dad hated Auld as well, called him a snake. Didn’t he break Bert Patons leg?
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Thu 5 Oct 19:18
I thought Jones was trying to scoop the ball back away from Bissouma?
There was certainly no intent, as far as I’m concerned.
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Thu 5 Oct 23:28
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Raymie the Legend, Thu 5 Oct 19:18
I thought Jones was trying to scoop the ball back away from Bissouma?
There was certainly no intent, as far as I’m concerned.[/Quote
Raymie, I know you’re fishing😂how on earth do you scoop the ball going over the top with 6 studs raised.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Fri 6 Oct 12:34
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WarringtonPar, Thu 5 Oct 18:53
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LochgellyAlbert, Thu 5 Oct 18:19
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Parboiled, Thu 5 Oct 14:43
Maybe I’m looking at the past through rose tinted hindsight but I don’t recall nasty over the top tackles being part of the black arts nearly so much , in the sixties/seventies anyway.
Another annoying thing is all this mass jumping on a scorer’s back. A recent example was one big lumpy guy going right over the head and ending up dangling upside down his team mate’s front..!
Was Bertie Auld not an expert in the "dark arts"?
My late father hated him with a vengeance!🤬😡🤬😡
My Dad hated Auld as well, called him a snake. Didn’t he break Bert Patons leg?
Bertie Auld broke Jim Fraser`s leg, I think. He also tried to do the same to Alex Edwards in another game, but narrowly failed. I know a number of older Celtic fans, and none of them liked him as he was a dirty wee bassa.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: Buspasspar
Date: Fri 6 Oct 17:56
Great definition :-
Chelsea manager Mauricio Pochettino said he "trusts in the car but it is the driver that is the problem" amid the ongoing debate around the use of video assistant referee technology.
Liverpool were wrongly denied a goal against Tottenham last weekend because of "a significant human error".
Pochettino says he is in favour of the technology but would like to see its use during matches simplified.
"We understand people make mistakes, it is not easy," Pochettino said.
"I think when the referee makes mistakes, we can all accept [it]. When it happens with technology it is difficult to understand."
We are forever shaped by the Children we once were
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Sun 8 Oct 17:34
Sometime is going to have to explain to me why Kovacic is still on the pitch for going in studs up on Odegaards ankle from behind. Certainly as bad as, if not worse, than the Jones tackle and VAR chooses to stick with yellow.
He then commits the same foul 5 minutes later and doesn`t get a second yellow....
As I said above, it`s the inconsistency that makes the EPL refereeing looks ridiculous
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Sun 8 Oct 19:10
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Bandy, Sun 8 Oct 17:34
Sometime is going to have to explain to me why Kovacic is still on the pitch for going in studs up on Odegaards ankle from behind. Certainly as bad as, if not worse, than the Jones tackle and VAR chooses to stick with yellow.
He then commits the same foul 5 minutes later and doesn`t get a second yellow....
As I said above, it`s the inconsistency that makes the EPL refereeing looks ridiculous
I watched the game, and I`m as incredulous as you are, Bandy. At the very least, Michael Oliver shouldn`t have needed VAR to issue a second yellow card.
Not your average Sunday League player.
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Topic Originator: WarringtonPar
Date: Sun 8 Oct 19:13
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Bandy, Sun 8 Oct 17:34
Sometime is going to have to explain to me why Kovacic is still on the pitch for going in studs up on Odegaards ankle from behind. Certainly as bad as, if not worse, than the Jones tackle and VAR chooses to stick with yellow.
He then commits the same foul 5 minutes later and doesn`t get a second yellow....
As I said above, it`s the inconsistency that makes the EPL refereeing looks ridiculous
Bandy, I couldn’t agree with you more, it was a terrible tackle, worse than the Jones incident in my view absolutely no consistency from referees or VAR.
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Sun 8 Oct 21:50
Game was an absolute snore fest, top 2 teams in England?😴😴😴
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Sun 8 Oct 22:23
According to BBC Sport Arsenal had two shots on target and City had one!
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Mon 9 Oct 02:36
My thoughts exactly, Bandy.
Bruno Guimaraes should also have walked when committing another yellow card offence, minutes after his first.
Mario Lemina did walk, for two tame yellow cards, but then, he only plays for Wolves!
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: Bandy
Date: Mon 9 Oct 11:08
Danny Murphy on MOTD 2 was `pleased` that Kovacic wasn`t sent off. I mean, I literally have no idea any more.
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Topic Originator: GG Riva
Date: Mon 9 Oct 11:16
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Bandy, Mon 9 Oct 11:08
Danny Murphy on MOTD 2 was `pleased` that Kovacic wasn`t sent off. I mean, I literally have no idea any more.
I haven`t seen it, Bandy, but I`ve read a transcript. I get the impression he was deliberately being a bit controversial and also winding up Alan Shearer.
No way should Kovacic have stayed on after that second "tackle", having been given the benefit of the doubt after the first one.
I think it has to be down to Michael Oliver. Was VAR supposed to send him to the monitor? Wasn`t it said that it`s not VAR`s place to re-referee games? It was a clear and obvious error, though, so I don`t know anymore, either. 😞
Not your average Sunday League player.
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