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Topic Originator: NikNakPar
Date: Sun 26 Nov 12:50
Passed away at the age of 80 after a long illness.
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sun 26 Nov 17:45
That`s sad news.
Not sure if it`s been equalled as a record - but he was capped by England at all 5 levels, as then available, from schoolboy to full international.
RIP El Tel
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Topic Originator: sammer
Date: Sun 26 Nov 23:42
I think Jimmy Greaves scored at all these five levels. And he was a much better player than Terry Venables.
Venables comes into the same category as Londoners who are puffed up by the media beyond their abilities. Johnny Haynes, Graeme Hoddle and David Beckham were all high quality players but made into world beaters by the English media. The problem is they won nothing at international level. Only Bobby Moore, and perhaps Greaves, really passed that test in my opinion.
As a manager Venables did well, but he changed nothing in the way football was played so far as I could see. He was George Farm rather than Jock Stein.
sammer
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Mon 27 Nov 01:41
Nobody was able to match Venables record of being capped at 5 levels as one was the England amateur team that has since been disbanded.
As far as I`m aware Greaves was only capped at 2 levels for England -the full team and under 23s? He wasn`t capped at Schoolboy or youth level either.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Mon 27 Nov 07:52
Quote:
sammer, Sun 26 Nov 23:42
I think Jimmy Greaves scored at all these five levels. And he was a much better player than Terry Venables.
Venables comes into the same category as Londoners who are puffed up by the media beyond their abilities. Johnny Haynes, Graeme Hoddle and David Beckham were all high quality players but made into world beaters by the English media. The problem is they won nothing at international level. Only Bobby Moore, and perhaps Greaves, really passed that test in my opinion.
As a manager Venables did well, but he changed nothing in the way football was played so far as I could see. He was George Farm rather than Jock Stein.
Beckham was world class
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Topic Originator: Neil_Philp
Date: Mon 27 Nov 11:32
Beckham was one of the best players in the world from 1998-2002. Genuinely world class.
COYP
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Mon 27 Nov 13:36
"As a manager Venables did well, but he changed nothing in the way football was played so far as I could see. He was George Farm rather than Jock Stein."
Think that`s being harsh. Learned a lot at Barcelona where he is still seen as a great manager, then brought that to England and made a few tactical tweaks mid tournament during Euro 96 (where England were poor in the opening game v Switzerland). Speak to any player or coach around then and they`ll say that he was very tactically astute and not at all like the cheeky cockney chappy persona who people think was only there to keep spirits high.
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Tue 28 Nov 19:37
He struggled / failed to beat Dundee Utd ,home and away
Post Edited (Tue 28 Nov 19:48)
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