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Topic Originator: FRED1981
Date: Fri 26 Jan 20:12
Surely match attendance and hospitality etc how are they getting one over us on every deal. Personally I think if they don’t go up the bubble will burst.I don’t think the money man from Kelty can keep this up because he is no millionaire.It also makes me wonder how new signings want to play on a plastic pitch most games.
F muller
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Fri 26 Jan 20:24
Quote:
FRED1981, Fri 26 Jan 20:12
Surely match attendance and hospitality etc how are they getting one over us on every deal. Personally I think if they don’t go up the bubble will burst.I don’t think the money man from Kelty can keep this up because he is no millionaire.It also makes me wonder how new signings want to play on a plastic pitch most games.
They never spent a season in league 1 last year,
We have different signing philosophies.
Our budget may actually be closer to theirs but we`ve spent most of ours already,
No one was grumbling when Bene left them for us.
Football clubs go through peaks and troughs with budgets, just so happens we are in a trough while they are in a peak. That will swing about many times over the next 10 years.
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Fri 26 Jan 20:28
We really are “the wee team” now!
Embarrassing we can’t get players in as they would rather sign for Raith. But hey ho the club has a 10 year plan and we will be ok…😅
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Fri 26 Jan 20:30
I`ve never been embarrassed to say I`m a Pars fan
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: RossF
Date: Fri 26 Jan 20:41
Listening to Ian Murray on the Open Goal podcast last week, he stated their transfer budget is the same as last season because they chose to spend part of their budget on improving the stadium. I don’t believe for a minute they’re gambling and the bubble could burst, they left Kelty in a fairly decent position and they’re only getting started with Raith.
It’s maybe not a popular opinion but could the owners not just be pretty decent at running a football club? They worked wonders with Kelty and have hit the ground running at Raith. Maybe their fortunes will turn? Only time will tell, but unfortunately they’re streets ahead of us at the moment. I’m sure it won’t stay that way forever but we just need to accept that for now…
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Fri 26 Jan 20:42
Quote:
Alter Ego, Fri 26 Jan 20:28
We really are “the wee team” now!
Embarrassing we can’t get players in as they would rather sign for Raith. But hey ho the club has a 10 year plan and we will be ok…😅
We were also the wee team last year. Next season maybe different.
Football players want to win matches and be successful, like it or not there is a better chance of that happening at Raith,
The real issue would be if one of our players left us out of contract for Raith. Then we really would be the wee team.
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Topic Originator: The One Who Knocks
Date: Fri 26 Jan 21:16
The consortium who took over Raith included Colin Smart who sold his care home business for 40 million quid a couple of years back.
And although my eyes were open
They just might as well be closed
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Fri 26 Jan 21:25
Our German owners run a shipping business worth millions a year🤷
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: LochgellyAlbert
Date: Fri 26 Jan 22:18
Quote:
RossF, Fri 26 Jan 20:41
Listening to Ian Murray on the Open Goal podcast last week, he stated their transfer budget is the same as last season because they chose to spend part of their budget on improving the stadium. I don’t believe for a minute they’re gambling and the bubble could burst, they left Kelty in a fairly decent position and they’re only getting started with Raith.
It’s maybe not a popular opinion but could the owners not just be pretty decent at running a football club? They worked wonders with Kelty and have hit the ground running at Raith. Maybe their fortunes will turn? Only time will tell, but unfortunately they’re streets ahead of us at the moment. I’m sure it won’t stay that way forever but we just need to accept that for now…
Dene Mckenzie tried to get out of Kelty before the end of last season, it was costing him an arm and a leg!
That information came from a well known football personality who was approached to take them over.
How many conservatory conversions are there?
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Fri 26 Jan 22:21
So the Kelty Hearts ex owner is blowing money again with Raith??
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: desparado
Date: Fri 26 Jan 22:23
I think the difference between Colin Smart and people who run a shipping business who have share holders and indeed many others to answer to is pretty obvious.
Bottom line is, Raith have cash to burn and we do not…
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Fri 26 Jan 22:33
Tbh these people who run a shipping business have been very successful in that business…
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Fri 26 Jan 22:40
Quote:
Alter Ego, Fri 26 Jan 22:33
Tbh these people who run a shipping business have been very successful in that business…
And did they get that successful by looking at the nearest rival shipping company with envy or did they stick to their own plan and beliefs about how to run a successful shipping company?
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Fri 26 Jan 23:07
😅 they have one of the biggest shipping organisations that generates a lot of £££
They have money
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: OzPar
Date: Fri 26 Jan 23:11
Shipping is a cyclical industry. Full of peaks and troughs. The peaks can be massive, and the troughs can be immense. It demands long-term thinking and an ability to sustain through tough times. If you order a ship to be built, it usually takes two to three years before it slides down the slipway, and you can start earning money from it. Patience is required.
Thanks to events in Israel and the Red Sea, freight rates for shipping have more than tripled since October. Two of our four original investors were involved in shipping, so they should be flush with cash right now.
That is why I have confidence in our investors. They have stipulated that they have a long-term plan for DAFC and that the club aims to self-fund eventually. They have the wherewithal to make it happen.
But we have to be patient too.
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Topic Originator: Paralytic77
Date: Fri 26 Jan 23:26
He is a millionaire
Several million
Post Edited (Fri 26 Jan 23:28)
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Topic Originator: DBA
Date: Fri 26 Jan 23:58
Quote:
Alter Ego, Fri 26 Jan 20:28
We really are “the wee team” now!
Embarrassing we can’t get players in as they would rather sign for Raith. But hey ho the club has a 10 year plan and we will be ok…😅
Always funny the amount of people who don`t realise they will always be the Wee Team.
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Topic Originator: Pars11
Date: Sat 27 Jan 00:39
The Wee Team are gambling on success. Spending big money for as yet no success other than parachute payments for League Cup and Scottish Cup exits. Their gate money remains low for the league positions they have occupied this season, they sell hospitality at discounted rate for a reason, they cannot sell it out. The management team they have is top heavy on the wage bill. No promotion for the Wee Team is the likeliest outcome as Dundee United have real strength in depth in their squad and as Livingston proved the Wee Team are exactly that. End of the season summing up for them will be interesting after all most of this squad they have bottled the run in last season. Finances through lack of money generated this season and no success may hit them hard. The Diddy Challenge Cup that they are very good at is their level and that gives no real reward, especially regards wealth.
Bluebell Polka
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Topic Originator: DrumRoad
Date: Sat 27 Jan 04:16
Topic Originator: Alter Ego like
Date: Fri 26 Jan 21:25
“Our German owners run a shipping business worth millions a year🤷“
It is of no consequence how much the shipping business is worth if they will not invest some of this in our club
2022/23 League one Winners
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 27 Jan 05:42
Theres a difference between owning and running a current successful multi million pound business and selling a business in a multi million pound deal.
Can anyone thats moaning about the finances of the clubs tell the difference?
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Topic Originator: Berkey
Date: Sat 27 Jan 07:28
Perhaps if we tried looking outside dens park we might find some players that rovers didn’t know were available or hadn’t thought about?
Mcpake going for players he has worked with while those same players don’t care and are more than happy to sign for the highest bidder.
I think the frustration comes from the fact that at this particular moment in time we desperately need some quality experienced heads, if we can’t compete now when desperate then it will be a lean few years.
Mind you when I look at the experienced players mcpake brought in last summer or kept on from last season it feels like he’s prioritising personality over what they can do for us on the pitch at this level. There’s not many we can ship out this summer either.
The post below replying to me is by one of .nets finest champions of mediocrity!
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sat 27 Jan 08:04
Your gonna have a meltdown when jakubiak signs an extension.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 27 Jan 09:26
Quote:
weemike, Sat 27 Jan 08:04
Your gonna have a meltdown when jakubiak signs an extension.
Thing is, Jakubiaks been an alright signing by the looks of it……so Berkeys heads already gone on that one as hes an experienced pro thats ex Dundee 😂
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 27 Jan 09:29
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 27 Jan 07:28
Perhaps if we tried looking outside dens park we might find some players that rovers didn’t know were available or hadn’t thought about?
Mcpake going for players he has worked with while those same players don’t care and are more than happy to sign for the highest bidder.
I think the frustration comes from the fact that at this particular moment in time we desperately need some quality experienced heads, if we can’t compete now when desperate then it will be a lean few years.
Mind you when I look at the experienced players mcpake brought in last summer or kept on from last season it feels like he’s prioritising personality over what they can do for us on the pitch at this level. There’s not many we can ship out this summer either.
Do you actually enjoy being a Pars fan Berkey? Genuinely?
We won the league at a canter last year and are on course to consolidate in the Championship, despite by far our worst ever injury crisis for the last 7 months……….and yet your still truly furious at everyone and everything
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 27 Jan 10:02
Quote:
Dave_1885
Do you actually enjoy being a Pars fan Berkey? Genuinely?
Hard to say. The only thing I think we know is that he/she/they enjoy polluting every thread with the same stuff. I don`t mind him sharing his opinions but does it have to be repeated on every single football related thread? And 150% only when we`re on a wee sticky run. Virtually anonymous last season and anytime we win this season.
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Sat 27 Jan 10:07)
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Topic Originator: TAFKA_Super_Petrie
Date: Sat 27 Jan 10:06
Won`t be a great season next year for the bean counters losing Dundee United`s travelling support twice a year and replacing them with Livvy......would only be worse financially if Hamilton made it up in place of Falkirk !
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"People always talk about Ronaldinho and magic, but I didn't see him today. I saw Henrik Larsson; that's where the magic was."
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Topic Originator: Kdy Par
Date: Sat 27 Jan 10:41
Quote:
TAFKA_Super_Petrie, Sat 27 Jan 10:06
Won`t be a great season next year for the bean counters losing Dundee United`s travelling support twice a year and replacing them with Livvy......would only be worse financially if Hamilton made it up in place of Falkirk !
But it’s the same for all the other teams.
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Topic Originator: theparsman1885
Date: Sat 27 Jan 11:14
Whilst they are being doped by the cash until it runs out, we cannot compete with them financially. Hence why we need to be different in terms of our recruitment.
Any kind of bog standard top championship player comes available, they are in for them. And if what is being reported in terms of how much they are offering those players, it’s simply not worth attempting to compete in that particular market. Rudden, Murray, Dabrowski, Mullen - all of those offered significantly more money than other clubs offered.
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Topic Originator: HalbeathRoad
Date: Sat 27 Jan 11:30
Quote:
Berkey, Sat 27 Jan 07:28
Perhaps if we tried looking outside dens park we might find some players that rovers didn’t know were available or hadn’t thought about?
Mcpake going for players he has worked with while those same players don’t care and are more than happy to sign for the highest bidder.
I think the frustration comes from the fact that at this particular moment in time we desperately need some quality experienced heads, if we can’t compete now when desperate then it will be a lean few years.
Mind you when I look at the experienced players mcpake brought in last summer or kept on from last season it feels like he’s prioritising personality over what they can do for us on the pitch at this level. There’s not many we can ship out this summer either.
Exactly . McPake is limited tactically imo and the scouting team seem to be solely based in Dundee.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sat 27 Jan 11:34
Exactly . McPake is limited tactically imo and the scouting team seem to be solely based in Dundee.
This is nonsense the best signing he has made this year was from celtic
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Topic Originator: HalbeathRoad
Date: Sat 27 Jan 11:43
Quote:
weemike, Sat 27 Jan 11:34
Exactly . McPake is limited tactically imo and the scouting team seem to be solely based in Dundee.
This is nonsense the best signing he has made this year was from celtic
The best signing ? You are having a laugh surely.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 27 Jan 11:44
How are you posting with a red card? 😂
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Topic Originator: HalbeathRoad
Date: Sat 27 Jan 11:58
Quote:
jake89, Sat 27 Jan 11:44
How are you posting with a red card? 😂
I assume I was red carded in error and it’s been removed but still showing on the app.
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Sat 27 Jan 12:13
Quote:
HalbeathRoad, Sat 27 Jan 11:43
Quote:
weemike, Sat 27 Jan 11:34
Exactly . McPake is limited tactically imo and the scouting team seem to be solely based in Dundee.
This is nonsense the best signing he has made this year was from celtic
The best signing ? You are having a laugh surely.
Whos been his best signing this year then? 🤔
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Topic Originator: HalbeathRoad
Date: Sat 27 Jan 12:21
Quote:
Dave_1885, Sat 27 Jan 12:13
Quote:
HalbeathRoad, Sat 27 Jan 11:43
Quote:
weemike, Sat 27 Jan 11:34
Exactly . McPake is limited tactically imo and the scouting team seem to be solely based in Dundee.
This is nonsense the best signing he has made this year was from celtic
The best signing ? You are having a laugh surely.
Whos been his best signing this year then? 🤔
Struggling to think of one tbh.
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Topic Originator: weemike
Date: Sat 27 Jan 12:25
The best signing ? You are having a laugh surely.
Whos been his best signing this year then? 🤔
Struggling to think of one tbh.
Otoo has been the in the top two performers this season along with Hamilton,
On potential alone he is by far our best signing.
Very happy he`s at DAFC, if you can`t agree then there is something wrong.
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Topic Originator: Rigger Al
Date: Sat 27 Jan 13:41
With the terrible injuries and lack of additional signings, I have resigned my expectations to simply mid table this season .
I dont think any other club has had the volume of key players out for half the season .
But saying that ,we haven`t been able to bring players in which is so disappointing.
So I will be happy for mid table
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Topic Originator: HalbeathRoad
Date: Sat 27 Jan 13:49
Quote:
weemike, Sat 27 Jan 12:25
The best signing ? You are having a laugh surely.
Whos been his best signing this year then? 🤔
Struggling to think of one tbh.
Otoo has been the in the top two performers this season along with Hamilton,
On potential alone he is by far our best signing.
Very happy he`s at DAFC, if you can`t agree then there is something wrong.
Sorry my mistake . I thought he was signed last season . Apologies
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Topic Originator: veteraneastender
Date: Sat 27 Jan 14:04
Quote:
DrumRoad, Sat 27 Jan 04:16
Topic Originator: Alter Ego like
Date: Fri 26 Jan 21:25
“Our German owners run a shipping business worth millions a year🤷“
It is of no consequence how much the shipping business is worth if they will not invest some of this in our club
Indeed, seeing them as a big time cash cow is wishful thinking.
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Topic Originator: HalbeathRoad
Date: Sat 27 Jan 14:58
Quote:
veteraneastender, Sat 27 Jan 14:04
Quote:
DrumRoad, Sat 27 Jan 04:16
Topic Originator: Alter Ego like
Date: Fri 26 Jan 21:25
“Our German owners run a shipping business worth millions a year🤷“
It is of no consequence how much the shipping business is worth if they will not invest some of this in our club
Indeed, seeing them as a big time cash cow is wishful thinking.
What happened to the Kevin Nisbet money ?
Genuine question .
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Sat 27 Jan 15:36
Quote:
HalbeathRoad, Sat 27 Jan 14:58
Quote:
veteraneastender, Sat 27 Jan 14:04
Quote:
DrumRoad, Sat 27 Jan 04:16
Topic Originator: Alter Ego like
Date: Fri 26 Jan 21:25
“Our German owners run a shipping business worth millions a year🤷“
It is of no consequence how much the shipping business is worth if they will not invest some of this in our club
Indeed, seeing them as a big time cash cow is wishful thinking.
What happened to the Kevin Nisbet money ?
Genuine question .
Covered the losses from last season.
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Topic Originator: eastendalloapar
Date: Sat 27 Jan 16:28
I remember when we had Gavin Masterton in charge we were spending more money than we had. It seamed great at the time but remember what happened to us. Let us keep within our budget.
matt forsyth
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Topic Originator: Indiapar
Date: Sat 27 Jan 16:59
I suppose a direct answer is that its not about competing financially more competing on the park. It doesn`t always necessarily follow more cash means better performances in our league. As others have said, it`s okay as long as the tap is on but it`s not sustainable to pour money into a club or any other business. I suspect that Raith and Dundee Utd may well be on the gamble of promotion. Gives you a feel good factor for a year or two but that`s about it I would have thought.
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Topic Originator: Raymie the Legend
Date: Sat 27 Jan 17:01
After another defeat, think they need to get even more in?
It`s bloody tough being a legend
Ron Atkinson - 1983
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Sat 27 Jan 17:03
Quote:
Raymie the Legend, Sat 27 Jan 17:01
After another defeat, think they need to get even more in?
It`s the Rovers way
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Jeffery
Date: Sat 27 Jan 17:20
Probably sign Alex Samuel before their next game
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Topic Originator: saltonsgonagetu
Date: Sat 27 Jan 17:22
Dundee United have lost 10 million in the last 5 years.
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