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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Tue 20 Aug 13:12
I dont get involved in the business sides. So am still confused.
So who owns the ground, is that separate, could that now be sold, is it any different to the past four years.
Who owns the name dafc?
Who owns the ream and contracts of staff/players
Who owns training facilities at Rosyth.
Who owns the academy
Is it 100% or different parts own percentages.
Thanks in advance for any clarification.
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Topic Originator: steaua
Date: Tue 20 Aug 13:42
Good question.
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Topic Originator: par-91
Date: Tue 20 Aug 13:57
As it stands, GmbH own 30% of the football club. However, they have loan notes than can be converted to own 75% at any time. This will likely be a part of any deal.
Pars United CIC are currently majority shareholders though.
Pars United EEP is a separate entity, they own the stadium and lease it to Dunfermline Athletic.
Training ground land is owned by civil service and the club have a 25 year lease for it.
The football club owns all player registration/contracts and the academy is part of the football club now.
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Tue 20 Aug 15:55
I think it`s fair to say the German consortium will want recompensed based on 75% ownership. That doesn`t mean they get their investment back though as the price will depend on the current share price. This may be why someone posted a few weeks ago suggesting administration. 75% of heehaw is zero.
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Topic Originator: DunfyDave
Date: Tue 20 Aug 16:21
They can only sell their 75% for the same value that someone is willing to pay for it.
DunfyDave
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Topic Originator: Luxembourg Par
Date: Tue 20 Aug 16:22
Extra fiver in the Euromillions tonight?
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Topic Originator: parsmad68
Date: Tue 20 Aug 16:34
Quote:
Luxembourg Par, Tue 20 Aug 16:22
Extra fiver in the Euromillions tonight?
Actually I thought of whether that could be a fan fundraiser syndicate. £2 a ticket x number of fans where the money gets put on the lottery. But then I thought is it worth just giving the £4 a week to the fundraiser 😂
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Tue 20 Aug 19:44
So that means what is up for sale is the 30% or 75% part. Currently who owns the rest of this percentage.
George coyp
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Topic Originator: Higgys Mohawk
Date: Tue 20 Aug 22:14
One of the main concerns is whether the club will be tied to a training ground and academy that is a financial burden to the detriment of the first team, even with new owners.
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Topic Originator: Alter Ego
Date: Tue 20 Aug 23:57
Let’s remember the club received grants to pay for the Astro etc at Rosyth plus we’re waiting on a grant to refurbish the building but this was not going to start till March 2025….. so how much money have the Germans actually put into the new academy?? It’s definitely not a million but imo about £200k at the most… so where has the other money they invested gone?? with all the transfer money, stadium rights, euro zone, season tickets and strip sales…???
Mon the Pars!
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 21 Aug 00:20
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Alter Ego, Tue 20 Aug 23:57
Let’s remember the club received grants to pay for the Astro etc at Rosyth plus we’re waiting on a grant to refurbish the building but this was not going to start till March 2025….. so how much money have the Germans actually put into the new academy?? It’s definitely not a million but imo about £200k at the most… so where has the other money they invested gone?? with all the transfer money, stadium rights, euro zone, season tickets and strip sales…???
What are you trying to say? That there`s some sort of criminal activity gone on? Step up to the plate and say what you`re thinking or can you please just bore off
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
Post Edited (Wed 21 Aug 00:32)
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Topic Originator: macapar
Date: Wed 21 Aug 06:31
Remember when the players trained at the public park and Lynebank. No need then for "fancy" training facilities.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 21 Aug 07:59
Ah, yes, the good old days. I remember going to watch the Pars train at Humbug Park, Crossgates, during the school holidays in the 60s. Why didn`t we just stay there instead of having ideas above our station like having our own training ground?
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 21 Aug 08:16
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wee eck, Wed 21 Aug 07:59
Ah, yes, the good old days. I remember going to watch the Pars train at Humbug Park, Crossgates, during the school holidays in the 60s. Why didn`t we just stay there instead of having ideas above our station like having our own training ground?
Yes, surely that would have been the way ahead, share the facilities at an existing local club who wouldn`t be using it during the day. Kelty would have been ideal, and that`s owned by Fife Council I believe.
Or Rosyth, but we shafted them big time. We should have probably seen the way they were treated as a warning sign that their community/ fair play ethos wasn`t worth the paper it was written on
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Topic Originator: jake89
Date: Wed 21 Aug 08:22
Worth pointing out that players are employees just like most of us are. I`ve worked in various places and can confidently say ulive always preferred the nice warm offices with decent kitchens than a draughty warehouse. What was considered the norm in the past isn`t anymore.
I do agree that we could have utilised other existing bases though.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 21 Aug 08:31
It`s mind-boggling the kind of allegations that can be made on here based on little more than speculation. Any potential investor might be easily put off if they read some of the stuff on here. And why would the German owners feel inclined to be co-operative in doing a deal which might benefit the club if they read it? Everyone needs to calm down.
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 21 Aug 09:20
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 21 Aug 08:31
It`s mind-boggling the kind of allegations that can be made on here based on little more than speculation. Any potential investor might be easily put off if they read some of the stuff on here. And why would the German owners feel inclined to be co-operative in doing a deal which might benefit the club if they read it? Everyone needs to calm down.
Just heard in the pub yesterday that a Saudi billionaire was just about to buy us before someone directed him to .net
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 21 Aug 09:30
If Saudi billionaires were potential investors I doubt anyone else`s opinion would be relevant.
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Topic Originator: parathletic
Date: Wed 21 Aug 10:15
Quote:
macapar, Wed 21 Aug 06:31
Remember when the players trained at the public park and Lynebank. No need then for "fancy" training facilities.
I`ve seen a few teams training at Aberdour to this day or getting punished on Gullane beach in pre-season.
There may have been a local junior club with a decent grass pitch? Offer them a youngster or 2 in loan in return.Having aspirations of your own is admirable, but you wonder about the timing and would rather do it from a position of strength?
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Topic Originator: cammypar 1995
Date: Wed 21 Aug 11:20
Let`s no kid ourselves on here. Rosyth is hardly state of the art. It`s basically an astro with some porta cabins dotted about. There should have been no issue to use Kelty. Cheaper and any maintenance issues wouldn`t come back to us.
The training ground is a great idea if we had a squad who can consolidate our position in the league and can take little steps to improve that.
We are in a much worse situation than last season. We lost our best player and don`t even have a sub goalkeeper. We also have a seventeen year old who looks like our only goal threat.
It`s abundantly clear the priority is a youth set up and that`s fine if you don`t neglect the first team as we have.
c'mon the pars
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Topic Originator: CrossPar
Date: Wed 21 Aug 11:34
Some people may remember the Pars taking over the Eagle Glen Golf Driving Range near Kingseat and turning it into a training ground. That didn`t last very long either. Are we just repeating mistakes?
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Wed 21 Aug 12:41
Quote:
Alter Ego, Tue 20 Aug 23:57
Let’s remember the club received grants to pay for the Astro etc at Rosyth plus we’re waiting on a grant to refurbish the building but this was not going to start till March 2025….. so how much money have the Germans actually put into the new academy?? It’s definitely not a million but imo about £200k at the most… so where has the other money they invested gone?? with all the transfer money, stadium rights, euro zone, season tickets and strip sales…???
Ever wondered how before gmbh came on board st Pauli were always floating around near the bottom of the table then suddenly they just missed out on promotion the year we won league 1 then actually won the league last season?
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Topic Originator: Gaz3822
Date: Wed 21 Aug 13:07
Well done Columbo 👏
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 21 Aug 13:33
Quote:
Back_oh_the_net, Wed 21 Aug 12:41
Quote:
Alter Ego, Tue 20 Aug 23:57
Let’s remember the club received grants to pay for the Astro etc at Rosyth plus we’re waiting on a grant to refurbish the building but this was not going to start till March 2025….. so how much money have the Germans actually put into the new academy?? It’s definitely not a million but imo about £200k at the most… so where has the other money they invested gone?? with all the transfer money, stadium rights, euro zone, season tickets and strip sales…???
Ever wondered how before gmbh came on board st Pauli were always floating around near the bottom of the table then suddenly they just missed out on promotion the year we won league 1 then actually won the league last season?
This is crazy stuff
They siphoned money off some wee backwater Scottish club so they could pump it all into getting St Pauli into the German top flight.
Are you serious? If so, congratulations. You win the stupidest post on .net so far this year. Some achievement 👏
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Andrew283
Date: Wed 21 Aug 13:41
I for one demand St Pauli pay reparations to us and are immediately relegated.
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Topic Originator: Back_oh_the_net
Date: Wed 21 Aug 14:46
Quote:
da_no_1, Wed 21 Aug 13:33
Quote:
Back_oh_the_net, Wed 21 Aug 12:41
Quote:
Alter Ego, Tue 20 Aug 23:57
Let’s remember the club received grants to pay for the Astro etc at Rosyth plus we’re waiting on a grant to refurbish the building but this was not going to start till March 2025….. so how much money have the Germans actually put into the new academy?? It’s definitely not a million but imo about £200k at the most… so where has the other money they invested gone?? with all the transfer money, stadium rights, euro zone, season tickets and strip sales…???
Ever wondered how before gmbh came on board st Pauli were always floating around near the bottom of the table then suddenly they just missed out on promotion the year we won league 1 then actually won the league last season?
Are you serious? If so, congratulations. You win the stupidest post on .net so far this year. Some achievement 👏
Can’t be mate every post you make on here is stupid 🖕🏻
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Topic Originator: kelty_par
Date: Wed 21 Aug 17:20
Imagine thinking a club with a turnover of about €50 million per hear, a massive stadium, huge merchandise sales and lots of TV money every year would have to skim a few hundred grand off somewhere else to get promoted. What next, BP`s massive profits are from the guy in Rosyth overcharging for their car wash?
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Topic Originator: Rusty Shackleford
Date: Wed 21 Aug 17:21
No wonder folk like Trump and Farage get votes.
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Topic Originator: wee eck
Date: Wed 21 Aug 17:49
All these suggestions of financial impropriety ignore the fact that these guys had invested £1.6m up to 31/05/23 and possibly more since. I`m keeping an open mind but that`s a bit of a sticking point.
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Topic Originator: red-star-par
Date: Wed 21 Aug 18:05
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 21 Aug 17:49
All these suggestions of financial impropriety ignore the fact that these guys had invested £1.6m up to 31/05/23 and possibly more since. I`m keeping an open mind but that`s a bit of a sticking point.
No wonder they decided to call it quits. If I had invested that sort of money and had fans calling me a thief, I`d run it into the ground to get my money back.
I acknowledge that the board could have done things differently and communication of what they wanted to do could have been better, but I also do think a lot of the problems can be traced back to the fans. I think one thing that has ruined this for us more than anything else has been the small minority of absolute wee tw@ts we have in our support. I would say from when those wee @rs£h0les battered the deaf Raith Rovers fan, we have seen the investment group take a step back. I reckon that was a pivotal moment. Personally, I was absolutely scunnered seeing those videos, probably the lowest point I`ve had following The Pars.
Those wee tadgers have cost the Pars big time
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Topic Originator: da_no_1
Date: Wed 21 Aug 18:15
Quote:
Back_oh_the_net, Wed 21 Aug 14:46
Quote:
da_no_1, Wed 21 Aug 13:33
Quote:
Back_oh_the_net, Wed 21 Aug 12:41
Quote:
Alter Ego, Tue 20 Aug 23:57
Let’s remember the club received grants to pay for the Astro etc at Rosyth plus we’re waiting on a grant to refurbish the building but this was not going to start till March 2025….. so how much money have the Germans actually put into the new academy?? It’s definitely not a million but imo about £200k at the most… so where has the other money they invested gone?? with all the transfer money, stadium rights, euro zone, season tickets and strip sales…???
Ever wondered how before gmbh came on board st Pauli were always floating around near the bottom of the table then suddenly they just missed out on promotion the year we won league 1 then actually won the league last season?
Are you serious? If so, congratulations. You win the stupidest post on .net so far this year. Some achievement 👏
Can’t be mate every post you make on here is stupid 🖕🏻
Some comeback
"Some days will stay a 1000 years, some pass like the flash of a spark"
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Topic Originator: Dave_1885
Date: Wed 21 Aug 20:30
Quote:
red-star-par, Wed 21 Aug 18:05
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 21 Aug 17:49
All these suggestions of financial impropriety ignore the fact that these guys had invested £1.6m up to 31/05/23 and possibly more since. I`m keeping an open mind but that`s a bit of a sticking point.
No wonder they decided to call it quits. If I had invested that sort of money and had fans calling me a thief, I`d run it into the ground to get my money back.
I acknowledge that the board could have done things differently and communication of what they wanted to do could have been better, but I also do think a lot of the problems can be traced back to the fans. I think one thing that has ruined this for us more than anything else has been the small minority of absolute wee tw@ts we have in our support. I would say from when those wee @rs£h0les battered the deaf Raith Rovers fan, we have seen the investment group take a step back. I reckon that was a pivotal moment. Personally, I was absolutely scunnered seeing those videos, probably the lowest point I`ve had following The Pars.
Those wee tadgers have cost the Pars big time
This has to be a wind up surely? You cant seriously be blaming fans for investors not investing the amount of money actually required to run the club correctly? 😂🤦🏻♂️
Post Edited (Wed 21 Aug 20:30)
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Topic Originator: thebear
Date: Wed 21 Aug 21:19
Problem I can, either they are big business with spare cash or are a charity, therefore we have to operate within an honest budget, or we go into admin within 2 years. Problem with all our incomes versus outgoing, I don`t know how we stand
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Topic Originator: Stanza
Date: Wed 21 Aug 22:27
Topic Originator: red-star-par like
Date: Wed 21 Aug 18:05
Quote:
wee eck, Wed 21 Aug 17:49
All these suggestions of financial impropriety ignore the fact that these guys had invested £1.6m up to 31/05/23 and possibly more since. I`m keeping an open mind but that`s a bit of a sticking point.
No wonder they decided to call it quits. If I had invested that sort of money and had fans calling me a thief, I`d run it into the ground to get my money back.
I acknowledge that the board could have done things differently and communication of what they wanted to do could have been better, but I also do think a lot of the problems can be traced back to the fans. I think one thing that has ruined this for us more than anything else has been the small minority of absolute wee tw@ts we have in our support. I would say from when those wee @rs£h0les battered the deaf Raith Rovers fan, we have seen the investment group take a step back. I reckon that was a pivotal moment. Personally, I was absolutely scunnered seeing those videos, probably the lowest point I`ve had following The Pars.
Those wee tadgers have cost the Pars big time"
I think there is an element of truth in what RSP says. Not for a minute am I suggesting that all, or even the majority of, Pars fans are to blame for the GmbH decision to withdraw, but we have had some highly visible bad publicity in the last few years that GmbH was very aware of- attacks on Ross McArthur, the attack on the Raith fan, and most recently the abuse of David Cook at the Falkirk match.
German football fans are no angels either, so probably the GmbH guys were naive in thinking it would all be different in Dunfermline, but I really do think they were here for their personal enjoyment as much as for financial gain - I don`t think they needed or expected to make money, so when things got nasty they didn`t see any merit in hanging around and putting more money into a project with embarrassing side-effects.
Probably money was the ultimate deciding factor, but I certainly don`t think it was the only one.
Post Edited (Wed 21 Aug 23:34)
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